to me, if Walter can forgive Nick, then she has a chance for forgiveness from Clementine, especially 2 years after.
With the difference being that Nick didn't know Matthew and only shot at him with the intention of protecting his friends and showed remorse afterwards whereas Lilly knew Carley yet murdered her in cold blood without any reason and showed no remorse and both incidents were witnessed by Clem herself. Matthew was armed and didn't know Nick while Carley was unarmed and knew Lilly. I'm not defending Nick, he's an idiot like Ben, all I'm saying is that Lilly's action is a lot worse and uncalled for and doesn't deserve forgiveness.
Very true. Lilly has a better chance appearing now: She was supposed to be a tie in with comic Lilly, which was the original purpose of her… more open ended fate, but now that Kirkman decided otherwise, they are free to do whatever they want with her character.
to me, if Walter can forgive Nick, then she has a chance for forgiveness from Clementine, especially 2 years after.
Are you sure? Mathew didn't even point a gun until Nick did it first, THEN Nick tried to shift blame to Mathew, saying he was the one who drew first. Nick was trying to blame the person he killed. Both situations, the offender tried to shift blame or justify their actions.
They are very similar situations, both happened after great loss. Lilly in my playthrough, though, accidentally shot Doug, so she doesn't count as a "cold blooded murderer" in my view (since Carly is dead). She tried to shoot Ben after overwhelming evidence, and it turns out she was right about that.
But you can't blame Lilly for shooting Carly in the face after making such an insult on her. It's never a good idea to do that. Not saying that makes Lilly's actions right, but Carly did push her over the edge with that last insult.
I'm not one of those guys who kisses Lilly's feet, but I'm not one to deny her redemption over something that happened two years ago. She shows me she has changed, she earns my forgiveness. If not, she's on her own.
to me, if Walter can forgive Nick, then she has a chance for forgiveness from Clementine, especially 2 years after.
With the differe… morence being that Nick didn't know Matthew and only shot at him with the intention of protecting his friends and showed remorse afterwards whereas Lilly knew Carley yet murdered her in cold blood without any reason and showed no remorse and both incidents were witnessed by Clem herself. Matthew was armed and didn't know Nick while Carley was unarmed and knew Lilly. I'm not defending Nick, he's an idiot like Ben, all I'm saying is that Lilly's action is a lot worse and uncalled for and doesn't deserve forgiveness.
Are you sure? Mathew didn't even point a gun until Nick did it first, THEN Nick tried to shift blame to Mathew, saying he was the one who drew first. Nick was trying to blame the person he killed. Both situations, the offender tried to shift blame or justify their actions.
Yes Nick did shift the blame but then he realized he was in the wrong, from a distance, Nick saw a stranger with a gun near his friends and he panicked.
They are very similar situations, both happened after great loss. Lilly in my playthrough, though, accidentally shot Doug, so she doesn't count as a "cold blooded murderer" in my view (since Carly is dead). She tried to shoot Ben after overwhelming evidence, and it turns out she was right about that.
The great loss is the only thing that's similar but other than that, there's no real similarities. Don't forget she tried to kill a vulnerable frightened unarmed teenager without any factual evidence who was no threat.
But you can't blame Lilly for shooting Carly in the face after making such an insult on her. It's never a good idea to do that. Not saying that makes Lilly's actions right, but Carly did push her over the edge with that last insult.
Really?
You're blaming Carley?
So she had no right to defend herself from a bully who was constantly harassing her?
I said this before and I'll say it again, blaming her is like blaming the rape victim for getting raped.
I'm not one of those guys who kisses Lilly's feet, but I'm not one to deny her redemption over something that happened two years ago. She shows me she has changed, she earns my forgiveness. If not, she's on her own.
Would you forgive The Stranger of the St Johns as well?
Whether it was years ago or not, she still committed a sinister act not only on you but others as well. She wasn't a rebellious teenager that grew up over two years, she was an adult that knew very well what she was doing.
Are you sure? Mathew didn't even point a gun until Nick did it first, THEN Nick tried to shift blame to Mathew, saying he was the one who d… morerew first. Nick was trying to blame the person he killed. Both situations, the offender tried to shift blame or justify their actions.
They are very similar situations, both happened after great loss. Lilly in my playthrough, though, accidentally shot Doug, so she doesn't count as a "cold blooded murderer" in my view (since Carly is dead). She tried to shoot Ben after overwhelming evidence, and it turns out she was right about that.
But you can't blame Lilly for shooting Carly in the face after making such an insult on her. It's never a good idea to do that. Not saying that makes Lilly's actions right, but Carly did push her over the edge with that last insult.
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Do you know what? I would of forgiven Lilly if it wasn't for her dad Larry I was about to spare her then I remembered back at lee's parents pharmacy when he left me for dead and then told me to stay the fuck away
I think she has good chance to come back or to be "quoted" by someone else. Like in the Carvers group or in another one "there was a good girl with us, her name was Lilly, she died to save someone", I don't know I think something like this.
I mean, Kenny's still alive and he was in a city full of zombies. She is in a road or with a camper so, she has probabilities of staying alive.
Another season 1 charcater returning so soon would be a bit coincidental however she should return eventually, she needs at least an attempt at redemption
seeing as she is no longer tied to the comic books I don't see why not. I wouldn't mind seeing her again but not right now it would be too weird how we just happen to meet her after we just found Kenny... maybe like some other people are saying we will see her in season 3(god plz be a season 3)
Are you sure? Mathew didn't even point a gun until Nick did it first, THEN Nick tried to shift blame to Mathew, saying he was the one who dr… moreew first. Nick was trying to blame the person he killed. Both situations, the offender tried to shift blame or justify their actions.
Yes Nick did shift the blame but then he realized he was in the wrong, from a distance, Nick saw a stranger with a gun near his friends and he panicked.
They are very similar situations, both happened after great loss. Lilly in my playthrough, though, accidentally shot Doug, so she doesn't count as a "cold blooded murderer" in my view (since Carly is dead). She tried to shoot Ben after overwhelming evidence, and it turns out she was right about that.
The great loss is the only thing that's similar but other than that, there's no real similarities. Don't forget she tried to kill a vulnerable frightened unarmed teenager without any factual evidence who w… [view original content]
Personally, I think she is dead. Even if she isn't, I don't think that her return in necessary. Just because Ken came back doesn't mean EVERY character from Season 1 has to come back.
(By the way, thank CHRIST Kenny came back instead of Lilly. Seriously, thank you TT.)
You hate Lilly because she killed someone? So did Lee and Kenny. Was it out of anger, like Lee? Yes it was. She stole the RV? Shel stole one, but you don't all hate her. And also, even with the RV the group decide to ditch it for the train.
I agree, I hope she's dead. If she is alive however, I want to have the option to kill her for killing Carley. Call me vengeful, but I think… more she is worth the energy to hate, and my Clem would kill Lilly in an instant for killing one of her good friends, and someone Lee was so fond of. Kenny giving her the salt lick treatment is my number 2 option, and probably the less gruesome one.
I hate her not only because she killed Carley (one of my favourites characters) or stole the RV. I hate her attitude towards the rest of the group... she´s rude and bitchy with everybody except her father (who is algo a douche). I have a close realtionship with my dad so I kinda get her, but I´ll never approve their act.
You hate Lilly because she killed someone? So did Lee and Kenny. Was it out of anger, like Lee? Yes it was. She stole the RV? Shel stole one, but you don't all hate her. And also, even with the RV the group decide to ditch it for the train.
Personally, I think she is dead. Even if she isn't, I don't think that her return in necessary. Just because Ken came back doesn't mean EVER… moreY character from Season 1 has to come back.
(By the way, thank CHRIST Kenny came back instead of Lilly. Seriously, thank you TT.)
How do you know I don't hate Shel? Her's was my least favorite story of the entire bunch, and if any of them were to die I'd care the least about that group in its entirety. Honestly I didn't particularly like any of the 400 Days characters, although I still thought it was a good DLC. Also, Lee killed off screen, so I had no emotional investment in the character he killed, who in my opinion probably deserved it. Lilly murdered Carley because Lilly was a paranoid ass hole. She was a complete bitch from the very beginning. She also wasn't attempting to save anyone by shooting Carley, whereas Kenny was killing Larry so that they could get out of the locker alive and save his family. I don't even care that she can steal the RV, because in my playthrough her ass got left on the side of the road, and she should be grateful that was the worst option for her.
You hate Lilly because she killed someone? So did Lee and Kenny. Was it out of anger, like Lee? Yes it was. She stole the RV? Shel stole one, but you don't all hate her. And also, even with the RV the group decide to ditch it for the train.
I guess she COULD appear, and her chances have both increased and decreased since Kenny came back. If Kenny could survive, and SOMEHOW meet up, then so can Lilly. However, it'll feel a little weird to have TWO major characters from season 1 come back this season. I know Christa and Omid are here too, but they only appeared briefly. Anyway, As far as whether or not people would want Lily back, I'd say that since the majority of people chose Carley over Doug, the bitter sentiments over her are going to be more prevalent than not.
Yeah, I suppose it's possible she escaped. It just seemed like ditching her on a road in the woods with walkers around and no weapons isn't a good situation. But we didn't actually see her die, so shit anything is possible. And since she is hated by a large percentage of players, I could see how her return as a member of Carver's group would be an interesting plot point. Kill Lilly to escape? YES PLEASE.
So if it's possible that Lily is alive, and we know that Kenny is alive, are they going to make us do that thing all over again where we have to choose between cooperating with Lilly or Kenny? Those two fought like children and I really hope we don't have to retread old ground there.
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With the difference being that Nick didn't know Matthew and only shot at him with the intention of protecting his friends and showed remorse afterwards whereas Lilly knew Carley yet murdered her in cold blood without any reason and showed no remorse and both incidents were witnessed by Clem herself. Matthew was armed and didn't know Nick while Carley was unarmed and knew Lilly. I'm not defending Nick, he's an idiot like Ben, all I'm saying is that Lilly's action is a lot worse and uncalled for and doesn't deserve forgiveness.
Are you sure? Mathew didn't even point a gun until Nick did it first, THEN Nick tried to shift blame to Mathew, saying he was the one who drew first. Nick was trying to blame the person he killed. Both situations, the offender tried to shift blame or justify their actions.
They are very similar situations, both happened after great loss. Lilly in my playthrough, though, accidentally shot Doug, so she doesn't count as a "cold blooded murderer" in my view (since Carly is dead). She tried to shoot Ben after overwhelming evidence, and it turns out she was right about that.
But you can't blame Lilly for shooting Carly in the face after making such an insult on her. It's never a good idea to do that. Not saying that makes Lilly's actions right, but Carly did push her over the edge with that last insult.
I'm not one of those guys who kisses Lilly's feet, but I'm not one to deny her redemption over something that happened two years ago. She shows me she has changed, she earns my forgiveness. If not, she's on her own.
Yes Nick did shift the blame but then he realized he was in the wrong, from a distance, Nick saw a stranger with a gun near his friends and he panicked.
The great loss is the only thing that's similar but other than that, there's no real similarities. Don't forget she tried to kill a vulnerable frightened unarmed teenager without any factual evidence who was no threat.
Really?
You're blaming Carley?
So she had no right to defend herself from a bully who was constantly harassing her?
I said this before and I'll say it again, blaming her is like blaming the rape victim for getting raped.
Would you forgive The Stranger of the St Johns as well?
Whether it was years ago or not, she still committed a sinister act not only on you but others as well. She wasn't a rebellious teenager that grew up over two years, she was an adult that knew very well what she was doing.
Do you know what? I would of forgiven Lilly if it wasn't for her dad Larry I was about to spare her then I remembered back at lee's parents pharmacy when he left me for dead and then told me to stay the fuck away
I think she has good chance to come back or to be "quoted" by someone else. Like in the Carvers group or in another one "there was a good girl with us, her name was Lilly, she died to save someone", I don't know I think something like this.
I mean, Kenny's still alive and he was in a city full of zombies. She is in a road or with a camper so, she has probabilities of staying alive.
Maybe in Season 3, if there will be a season 3. We will forget about her aaaand she cames back alive.It's a possibility.
Or maybe she's dead and we don't want to accept her offscreen death
Another season 1 charcater returning so soon would be a bit coincidental however she should return eventually, she needs at least an attempt at redemption
seeing as she is no longer tied to the comic books I don't see why not. I wouldn't mind seeing her again but not right now it would be too weird how we just happen to meet her after we just found Kenny... maybe like some other people are saying we will see her in season 3(god plz be a season 3)
Agree to disagree. I'm not going to make this into a dilemma.
Why did you have to post this gif here D':
Personally, I think she is dead. Even if she isn't, I don't think that her return in necessary. Just because Ken came back doesn't mean EVERY character from Season 1 has to come back.
(By the way, thank CHRIST Kenny came back instead of Lilly. Seriously, thank you TT.)
You hate Lilly because she killed someone? So did Lee and Kenny. Was it out of anger, like Lee? Yes it was. She stole the RV? Shel stole one, but you don't all hate her. And also, even with the RV the group decide to ditch it for the train.
I hate her not only because she killed Carley (one of my favourites characters) or stole the RV. I hate her attitude towards the rest of the group... she´s rude and bitchy with everybody except her father (who is algo a douche). I have a close realtionship with my dad so I kinda get her, but I´ll never approve their act.
Why do you think she's dead? Kenny got a death scene and he didn't die, so why Lilly, who got nothing of the sort?
How do you know I don't hate Shel? Her's was my least favorite story of the entire bunch, and if any of them were to die I'd care the least about that group in its entirety. Honestly I didn't particularly like any of the 400 Days characters, although I still thought it was a good DLC. Also, Lee killed off screen, so I had no emotional investment in the character he killed, who in my opinion probably deserved it. Lilly murdered Carley because Lilly was a paranoid ass hole. She was a complete bitch from the very beginning. She also wasn't attempting to save anyone by shooting Carley, whereas Kenny was killing Larry so that they could get out of the locker alive and save his family. I don't even care that she can steal the RV, because in my playthrough her ass got left on the side of the road, and she should be grateful that was the worst option for her.
I guess she COULD appear, and her chances have both increased and decreased since Kenny came back. If Kenny could survive, and SOMEHOW meet up, then so can Lilly. However, it'll feel a little weird to have TWO major characters from season 1 come back this season. I know Christa and Omid are here too, but they only appeared briefly. Anyway, As far as whether or not people would want Lily back, I'd say that since the majority of people chose Carley over Doug, the bitter sentiments over her are going to be more prevalent than not.
Drunken Kenny=best Kenny!
Yeah, I suppose it's possible she escaped. It just seemed like ditching her on a road in the woods with walkers around and no weapons isn't a good situation. But we didn't actually see her die, so shit anything is possible. And since she is hated by a large percentage of players, I could see how her return as a member of Carver's group would be an interesting plot point. Kill Lilly to escape? YES PLEASE.
So if it's possible that Lily is alive, and we know that Kenny is alive, are they going to make us do that thing all over again where we have to choose between cooperating with Lilly or Kenny? Those two fought like children and I really hope we don't have to retread old ground there.