I did word that poorly, didn't I? I meant that any of them could have seen it.
Yup.
Kenny wasn't very communicative. They didn't ask, because they didn't feel a need to, and I doubt that if anyone did, they didn't want to interrupt Kenny and his family, in their time of need. Clearly, everyone was told offscreen, after Lee. When has anyone been in grief other than right then? Larry? The one grieving was immobilized, unless someone who meant a lot to her was in danger. Omid? Christa was sobbing on the floor, looking for something to explain what just happened. Omid in episode 4? Christa ran directly up to Omid's possibly reanimating corpse, and sobbed. Lee? Clementine did what he told her to, and then she just walked for a while. Shawn? Hershel had a fit of rage and threw some people off of his farm. I meant that grieving makes everyone stupid. Being too stubborn (like Ken) is a form of stupidity. There are many. Kenny was never a leader. The only hard decisions he ever had to make were to save Shawn or not (which he regretted) or to kill Larry/save him. The only time he WAS leader, he was so for about a night, and in that time, he caused the death of everyone he was with, and would be with. Sounds pretty horrible to me. He got Omid killed, by causing the series of events that gave Omid Clementine, and also changed his course from wherever the fuck he and Christa were going. Chuck went with Kenny on the train. He died where he ended up. Chuck could've stayed pretty much forever in that train car. Or if they HAD to move the train, they could have started it, then hopped out while it moved slowly. Chuck could then have gotten into the RV. And if Ben was saved, Kenny caused the horde that forced them onto the roofs, which led to Ben's death, and on top of that, it was him that broke the balcony to the point that it couldn't hold Ben. If Ken had gone after Ben, things would have been fine, because Ben is thin and light. If Ben was not saved, Kenny was possibly instrumental in convincing Lee to kill him. Molly is the only one not in any way related to Kenny.
Yes, but he only implied he knew someone had turned. He never actually implied he SAW them as they turned.
Yup.
If they all thoug… moreht Kenny knew what he was doing, they must have agreed with him. Like I said, it anyone would have disagreed with Kenny they would have voiced it. Even in a state of grief, nothing has ever stopped anyone in that group from voicing their disagreements, why would they start at that point? It doesn't necessarily make him stupid, just stubborn. Kenny was, in my eyes, an all around good leader other than one thing, he had trouble keeping his own emotions in check. It was one very big thing, though.
He didn't get Omid, Chuck or Ben killed. Molly also might be alive still, and if she's dead, he probably didn't get her killed. I also don't think many people would have done much better in Ben's position. He was just unlucky, honestly. Though he got Doug/Carley killed, that's on him(and Lilly). He should have fessed up.
Oh. Yes, any of them could have seen it, but we're in a conversation about undeniable proof, are we not? d:
Yup.
Lilly expresses her distaste for Lee if he helps Kenny introduce Larry to a salt lick by trying to let him die instead of helping him, and all while she was grieving. Christa's still a bitch while Omid is hurt. Christa also blew a hole in Michelle for shooting Omid then clearly expressed anger towards Clementine and hinted that she blamed Clementine for what had just happened. Lee didn't let ANYTHING stop him while he was grieving. He went ham and killed everything in his way to get to Clementine. Badass much? Herschel was a douchebag, but he still expressed his opinions. My point is that, while grieving might make people make irrational decisions unless they're Lee, it doesn't stop them from voicing their opinions that we have seen yet. If any of them thought the train was a bad idea at any point, especially after the grieving was over, I think they would have said so. Kenny does have stupid qualities, but we've pretty much confirmed that nearly everyone in these games all have some pretty stupid traits. In terms of the characters, I'd say he's one of the smarter ones. Kenny was at one point a leader. He was a leader for the entire time after Lilly left and was in a power struggle with her the entire time she was with the group. Lee was always the actual leader, but never took any credit for keeping the group together and leading them(Unless you say you're the leader to the st johns in episode 2 lol), so they recognized other people as the leaders. Kenny also had to make the hard decision of whether to leave the girl in episode 3 or kill her out of mercy(which Lee can go along with or go against) and steal from the stranger. I still don't think they would have survived much longer had they not used the train, and there's no undeniable proof that they would have.
He didn't get Omid killed. Omid and Christa chose to take care of Clementine and Omid chose to try to save her, and honestly, they probably headed back to where ever they originally planned to go. It seemed like they wanted to get out of cities, and they did. Chuck died because he chose to save Clementine from some zombies which were attracted to them because of the bell, not necessarily the train, and it's more Ben's fault than Kenny's that Chuck died imo. Ben could have yanked Clementine away with him and saved her without anyone having to die but he pussied out and ditched her. Chuck probably couldn't have stayed much longer in the train car, it looked like he was almost out of food and water if he wasn't out of supplies already and he didn't seem to have any hunting equipment. So if Christa, Omid or Lee had switched places with Kenny while jumping, you would blame them for Ben's death? Ben was just unlucky enough to be the person at the back. With Ben's whining, he probably would have drawn more zombies than Lee and Kenny could have handled anyways, since they were almost completely out of ammo. Besides, Ben was impaled and probably would have bled to death or died from infection or something if he had managed to survive the alleyway. Yes, Kenny wanted Lee to drop Ben, but in the end it was Lee's choice whether to drop Ben or pull him up, and in that case, Ben helped himself be dropped he he was dropped just as much as Kenny if not more, because he was telling Lee to drop him....then he pussied out and cried for Lee to help him. Though I think that might actually be a glitch, because it sounds like the same sound clip that plays when the zombie on the bell grabs Ben. "LEE PLEASE HELP ME" or something.
I did word that poorly, didn't I? I meant that any of them could have seen it.
Yup.
Kenny wasn't very communicative. They didn't … moreask, because they didn't feel a need to, and I doubt that if anyone did, they didn't want to interrupt Kenny and his family, in their time of need. Clearly, everyone was told offscreen, after Lee. When has anyone been in grief other than right then? Larry? The one grieving was immobilized, unless someone who meant a lot to her was in danger. Omid? Christa was sobbing on the floor, looking for something to explain what just happened. Omid in episode 4? Christa ran directly up to Omid's possibly reanimating corpse, and sobbed. Lee? Clementine did what he told her to, and then she just walked for a while. Shawn? Hershel had a fit of rage and threw some people off of his farm. I meant that grieving makes everyone stupid. Being too stubborn (like Ken) is a form of stupidity. There are many. Kenny was never a l… [view original content]
God dammit, Frost. You win this one. Wait, hold on a second, I have a question that can undeniably prove Larry's survival. What happens if you never pull Lilly back? If the answer is nothing, then Larry was alive.
No.
Angry outbursts are a part of the grieving process, and Lilly still bursts out at Lee no matter his choice. And if Lee kills Larry, Lilly would rather mourn than help. Doing anything other than mourning is a hard thing to do, especially in such an extreme situation. It probably wasn't even a thought that entered her head, in that scenario. If somebody just tried to save your fathers' life a second time, despite the dad trying to kill him, you probably would react very intensely at his cries for help. Christa shot Michelle, yes, but that's before she knew for sure her husband was dead. She hadn't even really seen the wound. I doubt she was mourning at that point. And Christa wasn't grieving when Omid was hurt, she was doing her best to get their new group to help him. Hell yeah, Lee is badass. He's badass because he's such an exception. But then again, he did mention that he wasn't really grieving, more just scared. Hershel is not that much of a douchebag. He did the same thing Christa did after Omid's death. He looked for someone to blame. And yeah, I agree that people do stupid things when they're grieving. That's why I said grief makes people stupid. And also, when someone is leading, you aren't thinking as much. And I think everyone was grieving in their own way except for Chuck and the lucky couple. Chromid didn't even choose to be on the train. They were forced. Forced by Kenny's goddamn horde. Lee didn't really lead until after Kenny's family died. That was when a dramatic shift in power occurred. Lee always had a big voice, but for the most part, he did what other people told him to. The only thing I can think of after Katjaa and Duck that Kenny ordered was the trip to the pier to find a boat. And Lee only went because he either agreed, or because he didn't want Kenny to get hurt, or something along those lines. I don't think that makes him a leader for anything after Duck. Because Christa also dictated certain things, but she didn't lead shit until her husband died. And Kenny didn't make that choice to kill the girl or not. He suggested it, and he had his own gun to do it with. He let Lee decide. I suppose that Kenny led stealing from Campman, but if Lilly were truly against it, the group would not have done it.
Omid and Christa chose to take care of Clem, but they only KNEW Clem because of Kenny, and his horde, which forced them to embark on a journey with Clem. Chuck is definitely a weaker link. I'm willing to sacrifice that, but he did steal Chuck's home. It's not really Ben's fault that Chuck died, though. Because if Kenny had decided to move the train and continue in the RV, then Chuck could have joined them. Then he would have had a better chance. And looking closer at the game, if Ben had yanked Clem, Clem would have caught a bite to the face. Or Ben would've caught one to the back. Of the three of them, I would prefer Chuck dying, so I don't really mind that part. Chuck did have that shovel, though. Knowing Hobro, he could definitely kill some big game with that. In all seriousness, Chuck would've walked into the next town if he ran out of supplies, and knowing him, he would make it. He has the air of someone who's starved, and knows alternate ways to get food. I get the feeling that Kenny's weight is what broke it. If they had switched places, someone else could have died, and they'd have no way of getting down to them. No way was Ben going to survive after the fall, but the fall didn't have to happen. It was lee's choice for sure, and I'm not saying that it was mostly his fault, I'm just saying that reasons for someone doing something have some of the blame for the consequences. I think the "LEE HELP ME" was just a lazy reused sound clip.
Oh. Yes, any of them could have seen it, but we're in a conversation about undeniable proof, are we not? d:
Yup.
Lilly expresses… more her distaste for Lee if he helps Kenny introduce Larry to a salt lick by trying to let him die instead of helping him, and all while she was grieving. Christa's still a bitch while Omid is hurt. Christa also blew a hole in Michelle for shooting Omid then clearly expressed anger towards Clementine and hinted that she blamed Clementine for what had just happened. Lee didn't let ANYTHING stop him while he was grieving. He went ham and killed everything in his way to get to Clementine. Badass much? Herschel was a douchebag, but he still expressed his opinions. My point is that, while grieving might make people make irrational decisions unless they're Lee, it doesn't stop them from voicing their opinions that we have seen yet. If any of them thought the train was a bad idea at any point, especially af… [view original content]
Er....if you don't pull Lilly back, Kenny smashes his head regardless. Kenny gives 0 fucks. xD
Soon.
I don't mean Lilly sat around moping, I mean she watched Lee about to be killed, looked at the gun in her hands, looked back at Lee and watched some more, while he cried out for her help. Her intention was to let him die. Then again Kenny has done shit like that before, and Larry outright knocked Lee on his ass in an attempt to leave him behind, so it's not like she's the only person to ever try to get him killed.
To me at least, Christa seemed like her will to survive and morals went out the window before she shot Michelle and were replaced with grief and anger. She must have been grieving, since she was completely unforgiving of Michelle, who was clearly sorry. Michelle could have shot Christa, but dropped her gun. She didn't actually want to kill anyone. If she thought Omid was still alive, why would she kill a pleading young girl who clearly didn't mean to hurt anyone?
They could have kept walking. It's not Kenny's fault they stopped to chat. And like I said, they got to where they wanted to go anyways, but they ran into trouble that wasn't Clementine's fault. If Clementine wasn't with them, they probably still would have stopped for some fuck time in the bathroom and been very vulnerable to attack. Michelle probably would have stolen all of their supplies and left, leaving them to die.
Well, he did steal Chuck's home, but it seemed more like a temporary home for him, since he probably couldn't have stayed there much longer with his situation on supplies. Heck, he probably would have decided to start the train up himself and ride it to Savannah. Then again, he might have actually lived longer had he done that. Though he probably wouldn't survive for very long in Savannah by himself without the powers of Molly-ness.
It's not Ben's fault directly that Chuck died, but it's as much Ben's fault as it is Kenny's. In the end, Chuck chose to put his life on the line for Clementine, Kenny might have brought some extra walkers to the area that might have caused Chuck to get bitten, and Ben bailed on Clementine which caused Chuck to step in and save Clementine. If Ben had yanked Clementine, she would have been up against him. By yanked, I mean up against him, or he could probably have picked her up. It's not like she was very big at the time. He didn't get bitten, so there's no reason to believe Clementine would have if she was right next to him. I liked Chuck's character more than Ben's and I believe Ben could have easily pulled Clementine aside with him and ran away and still survived along with her, so I didn't like that part. D: I'm not sure if Chuck the hobo would have been able to make it to the nearest town alone with absolutely no supplies other than a bottle of water and a package of animal crackers(that's all the food I noticed in the area the train was in), but he could have. Either way, he probably would have died shortly after, if he was alone. He didn't have any guns so he had to go into melee range to kill zombies. What ever air Chuck has is probably one of a man who doesn't bathe much. Other than that, there's no proof he has any special airs around him, unless you're a fart whisperer or something.
There's no reason to believe Kenny was a fatty. He was probably about as heavy as Lee was and it started breaking before he even got on it. Also, Ben probably could have made the jump if he had hurried. He paused for a few seconds before the balcony broke. Also, you get the feeling Kenny's weight is what broke it? Where's the undeniable proof? d: "Someone else could have died, and they'd have no way of getting down to them". They would still have the same ladder and would still be able to get down to who ever fell. Unless you mean something like Kenny going across first and it breaking, in which case they'd all be fucked and would likely all die because they aren't Molly and aren't very good at scaling buildings, and I didn't see any other ways out of that situation for them.
Yes, Kenny did pressure Lee a bit and some players probably did drop Ben solely because Kenny wanted them to, but I still don't consider Kenny the reason Ben died. Lee chooses to drop him and he wants to be dropped, so I'd say the two people who are actually keeping Ben from dying(Ben and Lee) are the ones to blame if Ben dies, since they both let go of each other in that situation. I don't blame Kenny at all for Ben's death either way.
Yeah, it was probably just a lazy reused sound clip, you're probably right.
God dammit, Frost. You win this one. Wait, hold on a second, I have a question that can undeniably prove Larry's survival. What happens if y… moreou never pull Lilly back? If the answer is nothing, then Larry was alive.
No.
Angry outbursts are a part of the grieving process, and Lilly still bursts out at Lee no matter his choice. And if Lee kills Larry, Lilly would rather mourn than help. Doing anything other than mourning is a hard thing to do, especially in such an extreme situation. It probably wasn't even a thought that entered her head, in that scenario. If somebody just tried to save your fathers' life a second time, despite the dad trying to kill him, you probably would react very intensely at his cries for help. Christa shot Michelle, yes, but that's before she knew for sure her husband was dead. She hadn't even really seen the wound. I doubt she was mourning at that point. And Christa wasn't grieving when Omid was hurt, she was d… [view original content]
Doesn't Lilly break away from Lee and tackle Larry at one point? What about that?
Never.
She didn't watch Lee about to be killed. She was two rooms away, and away from the door. All she likely heard was struggling and the gunshot. If Lee tried to save Larry, then Lilly's first thought at that shout that Lee made was, "Oh fuck, Lee!" If he killed him, it would probably be something more like, "Dad, oh God," or whatever she was already thinking. She wouldn't care about the fight, she would care about her dad.
Don't get me wrong, she was just about grieving, but I don't think the full grief set in until she started saying "Omid?" She killed the girl because she was angry, very deep inside.
When you see a train pull up, and people who need help, while you have a pregnant woman, you might want to help them out, have some people when your baby is born. They would still have gone to the bathroom they went into, and Michelle still would've gone into the bathroom she went into. And considering her age, she would have cried out at seeing that, and Michelle being without a gun, Christa and Omid would have had the upper hand.
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying, but if they just sent the home out, and went in the RV, Chuck could have gone with them, a free ride to town. I think he would've appreciated it.
That's true, that it's as much Ben's fault as Kenny's. But here's the difference, Ben doesn't leave people behind because he disagreed about murder. And I know what you meant. A walker NARROWLY missed Ben. If his arm had been outstretched, then they might have both caught one in the arm. And plus, considering that we rarely see food, we can assume that Chuck had a little more than that water bottle out in the open, if he didn't even think to get the crackers. And men who don't bathe much smell less alive. So Chuck might have the only air that matters.
Kenny is a bit chubby. You can see it in his model. He's also decently tall. Ben is a twig who happens to be pretty tall. I think it should have gone Omid, Ben, Christa, Lee, then Kenny. The only problem with that, is the fact that Lee might have muscle mass. We never see the kind of muscles he possesses, but he seems pretty swoll. The undeniable proof that Kenny broke it is when Kenny jumped, it zoomed in on the thing, breaking it. I meant that they wouldn't be able to jump that small jump without the balcony. People who were already over there could help whoever fell. But regardless, have you ever tried to jump off of something you heard breaking? I have, and all it does is break it quicker. If Ben had gone first, he wouldn't have damaged it nearly as much as everyone else, leaving it so that Kenny didn't jump and leave no durability left for the next person.
I definitely don't consider Kenny THE reason, but just A reason. And being any reason for that is shitty, if you are so intentionally.
Er....if you don't pull Lilly back, Kenny smashes his head regardless. Kenny gives 0 fucks. xD
Soon.
I don't mean Lilly sat arou… morend moping, I mean she watched Lee about to be killed, looked at the gun in her hands, looked back at Lee and watched some more, while he cried out for her help. Her intention was to let him die. Then again Kenny has done shit like that before, and Larry outright knocked Lee on his ass in an attempt to leave him behind, so it's not like she's the only person to ever try to get him killed.
To me at least, Christa seemed like her will to survive and morals went out the window before she shot Michelle and were replaced with grief and anger. She must have been grieving, since she was completely unforgiving of Michelle, who was clearly sorry. Michelle could have shot Christa, but dropped her gun. She didn't actually want to kill anyone. If she thought Omid was still alive, why would she kill a pleadi… [view original content]
Er....Kenny drops a salt lick on Larry regardless. If Lee and/or Lilly are near him, they get blood splattered all over them, but there's no way to stop Kenny.
We'll get information SOOOOOOOON.
No, she watched him about to be killed. I'm referring to the scene with ANDY, not DANNY. The scene outside of the barn. If Lee sides with Kenny in the meat locker, Lilly tries to let him die. Same for Kenny if Lee sides with Lilly. More that they don't lift a finger to help him when they easily could and see him about to die. When you're struggling at the electric fence with Andy, Lilly looks at Lee and if you didn't side with her, she just stares, looks at her gun and stares some more, while Lee cries out for her help.
Probably, though she showed so little emotion towards the girl, I think she was at least in shock. She also looked very sad when she shot the girl, emotionless. That's the face of grief, not of anger. Though I wish she didn't kill Michelle. Michelle was just trying to survive, granted by being a thief, but I really don't think she meant to hurt or kill anyone.
Michelle seemed to be a middle aged teen, she had probably at least known what sex was at that point, maybe even had some her self, maybe. She also would have gone into the other stall soon after, since Clementine wouldn't have been there to keep her occupied, and Omid and Christa were probably distracted with their sextime, so she could probably grab one of their guns in time.
Yes, Chuck probably would have gladly accompanied the group and they probably would have let him, but I still have doubts about the RV taking them far enough to get to Savannah.
Ben could have reacted much sooner and gotten himself and Clementine out of harm's way easily, but he froze up then left her behind. Regardless of whether he might have been in more danger or not, he should have tried to save Clementine.
I don't think Kenny's chubby, in fact I think he looks like he's in quite good shape. Maybe with a little bit more weight on him in season 2, but in season 1 the characters were literally starved for a lot of the season, so none of them are chubby at all, and for good reason. Other than Larry maybe, but I think he might just be very big boned and very muscular. After all, he can pretty much knock anyone else in the group out with one punch. Lee is shown to be pretty strong, so he probably has some muscle mass. I'd say it would have been best if Lee went last because he was the one marked for death anyways and I'm pretty sure the rest of the group would make sure they got to Clementine at all costs if Lee died, because they all pretty much vowed to put their lives on the line for her. You could see the balcony breaking at like the second person or so, Kenny was just the last straw. Besides, why should Kenny be at the back? Why should he die over Ben? He was actually more useful than Ben, who did nothing but keep secrets and knowingly get people killed. At least Kenny had SOME useful traits. The only decently useful thing Ben did was tell the group that it's not the bite that turns people into zombies. The balcony was literally about ready to fall apart, Ben would have still done damage and if Kenny had gone last, he probably would have been the one to break it. Besides, no one was aware of the Balcony breaking until it was too late, so it's really no one's fault Ben died. He was just unlucky enough to be at the back of the group and the one on the balcony when it broke.
I don't consider him a reason, just an influence. Though he was quite a douchebag for giving that look to Lee before climbing down the ladder. To me it was like saying "You gonna drop him?" Though Kenny did clearly regret how he had behaved afterwards. "I'm glad it was you making that call and not me" - Kenny if Lee saves Ben. Like you said, grief can make people stupid, I wouldn't hold it against Kenny for wanting Ben to die for a while. It takes a good person to actually forgive someone for something like that in the first place.
Doesn't Lilly break away from Lee and tackle Larry at one point? What about that?
Never.
She didn't watch Lee about to be killed. … more She was two rooms away, and away from the door. All she likely heard was struggling and the gunshot. If Lee tried to save Larry, then Lilly's first thought at that shout that Lee made was, "Oh fuck, Lee!" If he killed him, it would probably be something more like, "Dad, oh God," or whatever she was already thinking. She wouldn't care about the fight, she would care about her dad.
Don't get me wrong, she was just about grieving, but I don't think the full grief set in until she started saying "Omid?" She killed the girl because she was angry, very deep inside.
When you see a train pull up, and people who need help, while you have a pregnant woman, you might want to help them out, have some people when your baby is born. They would still have gone to the bathroom they went into, and Michelle sti… [view original content]
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Ah. Okay. Yeah. After he killed her dad? You shitting me? You expect her to save him after that goddamn atrocity? I might have even shot Lee in that position. "Whoops, it was a mistake, I tried to save him!" I guess she's an exception just like Lee. That makes me almost like her a little more.
Yeah, shock makes sense. Still not full blown grief.
So you're saying if you opened a door and saw 2 thirty (or however old) year olds fucking, you wouldn't flinch? I know what sex is, I'd make some noise. Plus, when something happens, people look. They'd notice the door opening, especially in the zombie apocalypse.
Maybe the RV not getting them to Savannah is a good thing. Considering that the train would've gone and attracted the horde. The RV would have gotten them somewhere. Somewhere safer.
No he couldn't have. I'm telling you, there's no way that the two of them get out there alive. Look at the footage. That walker was insanely close. Clem would've been fucked.
You can see the shirt hanging in front of the chubs. Some people, even when largely starved, will appear large. Trust me, that is how I am. I've gone long periods of time without eating, and I did not slim down much. I read about it, and some people only slim up when they're at a certain stage of starvation. And I don't think Ken ever reached that.
Yes. And influences are big. Also, Kenny didn't want Ben to die while in the attic.
Er....Kenny drops a salt lick on Larry regardless. If Lee and/or Lilly are near him, they get blood splattered all over them, but there's n… moreo way to stop Kenny.
We'll get information SOOOOOOOON.
No, she watched him about to be killed. I'm referring to the scene with ANDY, not DANNY. The scene outside of the barn. If Lee sides with Kenny in the meat locker, Lilly tries to let him die. Same for Kenny if Lee sides with Lilly. More that they don't lift a finger to help him when they easily could and see him about to die. When you're struggling at the electric fence with Andy, Lilly looks at Lee and if you didn't side with her, she just stares, looks at her gun and stares some more, while Lee cries out for her help.
Probably, though she showed so little emotion towards the girl, I think she was at least in shock. She also looked very sad when she shot the girl, emotionless. That's the face of grief, not of anger. Though I w… [view original content]
Well, if not for him, she should have done it for Clementine, who was literally standing about a foot behind her watching. I am not sure what happens if you side with Lilly, I don't remember, but I do recall that in the stalls with Danny, Kenny doesn't help you and Lilly comes out like Rambo and owns him. I personally like that scene more. Though the original point of this dispute was whether Lilly was more focused on grieving, which she wasn't. She just wanted Lee to die for a while and clearly showed it.
Alright, I guess I can settle for that.
Well, she'd probably make some noise, but I'm willing to bet that they set their guns down while they fucked and Michelle would have been able to grab a gun before them. Michelle didn't notice the door opening, then again Omid was being sneaky because I guess he heard the commotion. Though Michelle might have heard some....commotion had she went into Omid and Christa's side of the bathroom instead. Oh, and they probably would have died to those bandits had Omid been with Christa instead of Clementine. Or they might have died to the zombies. It all depends on how smart Omid would have been in that situation.
The RV would have gotten them somewhere, not necessarily safer, but certainly somewhere. In the end though, it was Kenny's RV that kept the group alive that long in the first place. It might be his fault they didn't stay alive longer, but it's because of him that any of them were still alive in the first place. I think he deserves some cool points for that.
I'm saying if Ben hadn't completely frozen up first. He stalled for around 2-3 seconds before running away, letting the zombies get closer. He might have been able to quickly pull her away if he had acted fast. I remember the scene well, the zombies didn't start out dryhumping him.
I don't know, he seems pretty strong. For instance, when he dropped Lee on a car, or when he dropped Lee into a walker hoard. d: But apparently he was still being effected by his shotgun wound. Kenny isn't a small person, but I still never noticed any chubbiness. Maybe he is a fatty, but he's certainly a durable one. Either way, I don't think putting the group members in any other order would have made
Influences CAN be big. SOME people probably killed Ben mostly because of Kenny, but my guess is that most people who did drop him wanted to get rid of him because he's nearly useless and a big detriment to the group at multiple points in time, not because Kenny was pissed at him, and besides, most people didn't drop Ben, so clearly Kenny wasn't too large of an influence there anyways. d:. Though I think Kenny had a right to want Ben to die. Kenny didn't want Ben to die at all after their little argument. They reached an understanding. For once Kenny's character was perfect. Theeeen Telltale decided to make him more hate-able. I still hope they bring him back to his epic selflessness.
Well shit. Point to you.
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Ah. Okay. Yeah. After he killed her dad? You shitting me? You expect he… morer to save him after that goddamn atrocity? I might have even shot Lee in that position. "Whoops, it was a mistake, I tried to save him!" I guess she's an exception just like Lee. That makes me almost like her a little more.
Yeah, shock makes sense. Still not full blown grief.
So you're saying if you opened a door and saw 2 thirty (or however old) year olds fucking, you wouldn't flinch? I know what sex is, I'd make some noise. Plus, when something happens, people look. They'd notice the door opening, especially in the zombie apocalypse.
Maybe the RV not getting them to Savannah is a good thing. Considering that the train would've gone and attracted the horde. The RV would have gotten them somewhere. Somewhere safer.
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At that point she had pushed her grief to the side. Regardless, when you side with Lilly, she shoots Andy in the torso I think. She pushed her grief to the side, but if Lee sided against her, then she feels anger, a stage of grief. She probably didn't think that Lee was a good role model for Clementine. So she wouldn't have wanted him to survive, much.
They wouldn't have set their guns down far away. Not in a zombie fucking apocalypse. It would be directly next to them, they'd hear the door open and shut, and then they'd hear Michelle. After all that commotion, pants or not, they would have had their guns out. And who's to say that they would have died? We never saw Omid in action. He was always injured or simply not in a position to fight. He could be rambo for all we know.
Oh yeah. The RV definitely helped. But that was more him striving to fuck over Lilly in my opinion.
Anyone would've frozen up unless they were Lee, Chuck, Michonne, Abraham, Rick, or Carl. Everyone else would be scared shitless for a second or two.
Him being affected by the shotgun only helps me. He wouldn't really be in a position to exercise. Only walk, and occasionally jog. Everything else would be out of reach. Durable fatty, but fatty nonetheless. Fatty enough to be the biggest damage to the balcony.
Yes they can. And the fact that he can be such a huge influence for something so awful is horrible.
Yay, I got a point! I'll treasure it for ever. c:
I knoow, so hyped.
Well, if not for him, she should have done it for Clementin… moree, who was literally standing about a foot behind her watching. I am not sure what happens if you side with Lilly, I don't remember, but I do recall that in the stalls with Danny, Kenny doesn't help you and Lilly comes out like Rambo and owns him. I personally like that scene more. Though the original point of this dispute was whether Lilly was more focused on grieving, which she wasn't. She just wanted Lee to die for a while and clearly showed it.
Alright, I guess I can settle for that.
Well, she'd probably make some noise, but I'm willing to bet that they set their guns down while they fucked and Michelle would have been able to grab a gun before them. Michelle didn't notice the door opening, then again Omid was being sneaky because I guess he heard the commotion. Though Michelle might h… [view original content]
Hm. Since apparently Gavin might read this... I really like your voice acting as Kenny. It's very distinct from your own voice.
And the big one!
As a southern American, thank you for not beating 'Southern Drawl' or 'Southern Twang' or 'Southern Stereotype Talking' or whatever you want to call it, into the ground with a sledgehammer. It gets old. PS: Why didn't Kenny just ask Lee if he was 'hood in the barn? It would've gone down better. Tee hee.
My point is that she still makes clear choices while she's grieving. "Do I want to kill Lee or not?" Also, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE who was a member of the season 1 group knew Lee would do anything to protect Clementine. He showed that by constantly risking his life for her and even when people hate Lee, they sometimes talk about how much Lee cares for Clementine. So I think Lilly probably knew Lee was the best guardian Clementine could have.
Probably not, though sex can really cloud your mind, hence letting an 11 year old little girl go into a creepy bathroom alone in the zombie apocalypse so you can get some fuck time. If Michelle walked in quietly, they might not have heard her, then she could dart over to the gun or sneak over to it. Though that's not definitive proof, so I guess I don't really have shit on you there. You're right, we never actually got too see Omid do anything other than get his leg severely injured and be a detriment to the group for 2 episodes. xD
Eh, I guess we'll just agree to disagree there. I don't think Kenny wanted to be the leader ot fuck over Lilly, he just wanted to keep those he cares about safe, which at the time were his group which were keeping him alive, and his family.
I'd like to believe Kenny, Lilly and Luke wouldn't have frozen up. They're pretty brave. Still, it doesn't make what Ben did any better just because a lot of other people would have done the same thing. They'd be wrong for it too. d;
That's a good point. I still don't think he's fat, but he might be a little bit on the heavy side. Either way, I think the balcony would have broken regardless of who went in what order. Like I said, I think Ben was just unlucky enough to be the last one across.
Well, he was an influence, but can you blame him? It's amazing he even forgave Ben. Ben was kind of the reason Kenny's family died, and the reason Carley/Doug died(along with Lilly who shot them, but Ben could have stopped the violence), AND the reason Clementine almost died, AAAAAAAAAAAND the reason that one fat lady who was with Vernon died and everyone else almost died. Heck, if you drop him, he's even indirectly the reason HE dies on more than one account, because he lets go of Lee, he wants to die, and he's the one who let the zombies in. In other words, I think Kenny had the right to want him to die for a while and I don't think it makes him a bad person. Like you said, grief makes people do stupid things.
Also, have you seen the new episode 3 trailer? imgur.com/PvY63eh SARAH THO.
At that point she had pushed her grief to the side. Regardless, when you side with Lilly, she shoots Andy in the torso I think. She pushed h… moreer grief to the side, but if Lee sided against her, then she feels anger, a stage of grief. She probably didn't think that Lee was a good role model for Clementine. So she wouldn't have wanted him to survive, much.
They wouldn't have set their guns down far away. Not in a zombie fucking apocalypse. It would be directly next to them, they'd hear the door open and shut, and then they'd hear Michelle. After all that commotion, pants or not, they would have had their guns out. And who's to say that they would have died? We never saw Omid in action. He was always injured or simply not in a position to fight. He could be rambo for all we know.
Oh yeah. The RV definitely helped. But that was more him striving to fuck over Lilly in my opinion.
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You know, there are people who would sacrifice themselves for someone, yet they are horrible role models. There could be, anyways. A two time murderer who showed no signs of remorse would not be a good role model for an 8 year old. And yeah, she made choices, but they were heavily tinted by grief, unless Lee saved Larry.
Michelle wouldn't be quiet. That's just a fact. She would make some sort of noise. EVEN if she didn't, those bathroom doors were creaky and loud as fuck. Remember the door closing on Omid? That shit was fucking loud.
What better way to say "fuck you," than to openly prepare for something that the leader of your group condemns?
Luke probably wouldn't have, but then again, he's never been surrounded by so many zombies. At least not in the time that we've known him. Kenny and Lilly might have jumped into action, but I don't really know. Kenny froze up quite a bit in the alley... Both alleys. And after saving Duck. And Lilly froze up after killing Doug/Carley.
Heavy for sure. But really, sending the light people first gives EVERYONE better chance of crossing. I don't think he's fat either. Just chubby.
Yup. You can. He's totally in the right to be an influence, but he's also totally an influence.
My point is that she still makes clear choices while she's grieving. "Do I want to kill Lee or not?" Also, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE who wa… mores a member of the season 1 group knew Lee would do anything to protect Clementine. He showed that by constantly risking his life for her and even when people hate Lee, they sometimes talk about how much Lee cares for Clementine. So I think Lilly probably knew Lee was the best guardian Clementine could have.
Probably not, though sex can really cloud your mind, hence letting an 11 year old little girl go into a creepy bathroom alone in the zombie apocalypse so you can get some fuck time. If Michelle walked in quietly, they might not have heard her, then she could dart over to the gun or sneak over to it. Though that's not definitive proof, so I guess I don't really have shit on you there. You're right, we never actually got too see Omid do anything other than get his leg severely injured and be a … [view original content]
No remorse? Lee shows plenty of remorse. It's not like he's heartless. Well....unless you play him as asshole Lee lol.
Omid was careless and let the door shut hard, in my opinion at least. He could have gently closed it or opened it more then ran at Michelle or something.
Just saying "fuck you" usually does the trick. I don't think Kenny was trying to take her position as leader just to be a dick to her. He actually had a good point about not staying at the motor inn forever that turned out to be right.
Well, Luke dove into a dispersed zombie hoard to help save Clementine, but then he dropped her on the ground when he saw she had some kind of a bite on her arm, but he's never shown to be a coward other than that time when he was caught by surprise, so I'm not sure. Lilly froze up after she had just killed an innocent person and realized it. That's kind of different from risking your life in my opinion. Kenny though, you have a point, though they both got the job done in the end when someone needed saving....unless it was Ben, they both hated him lol.
It might have helped some, but that balcony was about ready to break in the first place. They did send some of the lighter people first and it started breaking after like the second person, so I still think it would have broke under someone regardless.
Yes, he's an influence, but I don't think it should be held against him. He could have just pushed Lee and Ben both down into the zombies lol. But he didn't. All he did was give Lee a look that wasn't even mean or angry seeming.
You know, there are people who would sacrifice themselves for someone, yet they are horrible role models. There could be, anyways. A two tim… moree murderer who showed no signs of remorse would not be a good role model for an 8 year old. And yeah, she made choices, but they were heavily tinted by grief, unless Lee saved Larry.
Michelle wouldn't be quiet. That's just a fact. She would make some sort of noise. EVEN if she didn't, those bathroom doors were creaky and loud as fuck. Remember the door closing on Omid? That shit was fucking loud.
What better way to say "fuck you," than to openly prepare for something that the leader of your group condemns?
Luke probably wouldn't have, but then again, he's never been surrounded by so many zombies. At least not in the time that we've known him. Kenny and Lilly might have jumped into action, but I don't really know. Kenny froze up quite a bit in the alley... Both alleys. And after saving Duck… [view original content]
Blinded by grief and rage, to her, he may as well not have. She wasn't thinking straight.
Omid let the door shut on its own.
In such a tense situation, not really. Plus he didn't take leadership responsibilities. He didn't hand out the food. He didn't check up on the medicine counts. He only made one decision, and made it somewhat passively.
There were like three there. It wasn't a horde in the slightest. Like 15 were around Ben and Clem.
I doubt it. But this one goes to neither of us. Because we can't prove anything one way or another. Actually, since you're looking for undeniable proof, I think I win this one.
I do. And that look was pretty fucking nasty. One of the reasons I hate the guy, in fact.
No remorse? Lee shows plenty of remorse. It's not like he's heartless. Well....unless you play him as asshole Lee lol.
Omid was care… moreless and let the door shut hard, in my opinion at least. He could have gently closed it or opened it more then ran at Michelle or something.
Just saying "fuck you" usually does the trick. I don't think Kenny was trying to take her position as leader just to be a dick to her. He actually had a good point about not staying at the motor inn forever that turned out to be right.
Well, Luke dove into a dispersed zombie hoard to help save Clementine, but then he dropped her on the ground when he saw she had some kind of a bite on her arm, but he's never shown to be a coward other than that time when he was caught by surprise, so I'm not sure. Lilly froze up after she had just killed an innocent person and realized it. That's kind of different from risking your life in my opinion. Kenny though, yo… [view original content]
Still, she did make the decision to try to let Lee die. Kenny was grieving too, after not only his wife, but also his SON died, while only Lilly's dad died. Why does she get the grief excuse but not Kenny?
Omid was stupid though. He should have carefully shut it or opened it wider or moved towards Michelle faster or done SOMETHING differently than what he did.
Well, for me at least, "fuck you" works fine even in a tense situation. Kenny didn't hand out the supplies, he just went and risked his life constantly to collect them.
I said dispersed. And there were more than 3, I'm pretty sure. They ran out of ammo before they even killed all of the zombies and had to run because of that.
We're both looking for undeniable proof, remember? d: So I guess we'll just agree that that one is a tie.
If I recall correctly, to me, the look seemed like "He killed my family. Think about that." He was also still grieving. But then again I don't remember the look Kenny gives very well.
Blinded by grief and rage, to her, he may as well not have. She wasn't thinking straight.
Omid let the door shut on its own.
In s… moreuch a tense situation, not really. Plus he didn't take leadership responsibilities. He didn't hand out the food. He didn't check up on the medicine counts. He only made one decision, and made it somewhat passively.
There were like three there. It wasn't a horde in the slightest. Like 15 were around Ben and Clem.
I doubt it. But this one goes to neither of us. Because we can't prove anything one way or another. Actually, since you're looking for undeniable proof, I think I win this one.
I do. And that look was pretty fucking nasty. One of the reasons I hate the guy, in fact.
Wait, when the fuck did I say Kenny was not grieving? He totally shut down after that, forcing Lee to lead.
Yup. But that might've gotten him killed quicker. I think what he should have done was tackle her after opening the door carefully.
No. Not in a situation that tense. That's how Carley died.
No. Not at first. When Luke hopped in, there were three.
I'm not looking for undeniable proof, you're looking for undeniable proof. remember? I said bring me a situation in which Ken is undeniably smart. So I win.
He smiled. He smiled and raised his eyebrow. Fucking scumbag.
Still, she did make the decision to try to let Lee die. Kenny was grieving too, after not only his wife, but also his SON died, while only … moreLilly's dad died. Why does she get the grief excuse but not Kenny?
Omid was stupid though. He should have carefully shut it or opened it wider or moved towards Michelle faster or done SOMETHING differently than what he did.
Well, for me at least, "fuck you" works fine even in a tense situation. Kenny didn't hand out the supplies, he just went and risked his life constantly to collect them.
I said dispersed. And there were more than 3, I'm pretty sure. They ran out of ammo before they even killed all of the zombies and had to run because of that.
We're both looking for undeniable proof, remember? d: So I guess we'll just agree that that one is a tie.
If I recall correctly, to me, the look seemed like "He killed my family. Think about that." He was also still grieving. But then again I don't remember the look Kenny gives very well.
You seem to think that grieving is the perfect excuse for anyone but Kenny. Other characters do some pretty fucked up things while they're grieving, some even while they're not, but you hate Kenny for trying his best to help his group aside from Ben, even while he's grieving. D:
I think he should have just opened the door and ninjad towards her faster. He was so close, he could have slapped the gun out of her hand, tackled her, roundhouse kicked her, anything lol.
Carley died because Lilly already suspected her of being a thief and she was defending the actual thief and insulting the person trying to protect her whole group. I think Kenny could get away with telling Lilly to go fuck her self at the motor inn.
Well, when Luke got on screen at least.
In this specific debate, we were trying to decide if everyone could have lived at the balcony, not if Kenny was smart in that particular situation. So it's a tie.
Well, Ben DID get his family killed. Would you not be happy to see the murderer of your family about to fall to his certain death, barely a few days after your family had just died because of him? But yeah, I remember the look now, it was a bit....mean. I think he was just hoping Lee would drop Ben, which he had a right to.
Wait, when the fuck did I say Kenny was not grieving? He totally shut down after that, forcing Lee to lead.
Yup. But that might've gott… moreen him killed quicker. I think what he should have done was tackle her after opening the door carefully.
No. Not in a situation that tense. That's how Carley died.
No. Not at first. When Luke hopped in, there were three.
I'm not looking for undeniable proof, you're looking for undeniable proof. remember? I said bring me a situation in which Ken is undeniably smart. So I win.
He smiled. He smiled and raised his eyebrow. Fucking scumbag.
I never said anything about Kenny's actions that happened in the heart of his grief. I never said anything about the fight between him and Lee, never said anything about him randomly insulting Chuck, never said anything about him being a prick to Omid, and I never said anything about him wanting to LEAVE Omid. I could've torn into him about those things, but I didn't, because he was grieving. I hate him for trying to kill Ben while he was grieving, just like I hate Lilly for shooting at Doug and Ben while she was grieving.
Yeah, but he didn't.
Carley died because she told a borderline crazy person that she was just a scared little bitch. That's really it.
That makes it even more likely that he had no idea how many there were.
... Shut up.
I understand, but it still doesn't justify it in my eyes. Ben wasn't malicious, he just fucked up. And I can understand Kenny hating Ben, but once death comes into play, that's too far.
You seem to think that grieving is the perfect excuse for anyone but Kenny. Other characters do some pretty fucked up things while they're … moregrieving, some even while they're not, but you hate Kenny for trying his best to help his group aside from Ben, even while he's grieving. D:
I think he should have just opened the door and ninjad towards her faster. He was so close, he could have slapped the gun out of her hand, tackled her, roundhouse kicked her, anything lol.
Carley died because Lilly already suspected her of being a thief and she was defending the actual thief and insulting the person trying to protect her whole group. I think Kenny could get away with telling Lilly to go fuck her self at the motor inn.
Well, when Luke got on screen at least.
In this specific debate, we were trying to decide if everyone could have lived at the balcony, not if Kenny was smart in that particular situation. So it's a tie.
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Well, you said plenty about the train, Chuck's death, Ben's death and Ben's other death, AND everyone else in the group's deaths other than Christa and Clementine. Which all happened within days of his family dying. Kenny's a prick to people in general, I don't completely blame that on his grief, but I think some of his more important decisions which you use against him should have his grief noted on them, since everyone else gets that benefit.
Which is my biggest complaint about season 2 so far.
Yes. Though Lilly didn't even deserve that. She was trying to HELP her group and she was actually right, Carley backed the wrong person.
Good point. Though even a couple of them is enough to make most people hesitate and Luke has shown no hesitation other than when he thought he was holding a half-zombie in his hands. xD
NOE.
That's acceptable. Though Kenny never actually killed Ben and was pretty much just agreeing with Ben(since Ben wanted to die), and if Lee saves Ben, Kenny even turns full circle and tries to save Ben. Even though it was stupid of him. The smart thing to do would have been just to pull Ben up and be on their ways, hoping he didn't die from bleeding, which he might not have. At least he'd have had a better chance of surviving than he did being left in the alley.
I never said anything about Kenny's actions that happened in the heart of his grief. I never said anything about the fight between him and L… moreee, never said anything about him randomly insulting Chuck, never said anything about him being a prick to Omid, and I never said anything about him wanting to LEAVE Omid. I could've torn into him about those things, but I didn't, because he was grieving. I hate him for trying to kill Ben while he was grieving, just like I hate Lilly for shooting at Doug and Ben while she was grieving.
Yeah, but he didn't.
Carley died because she told a borderline crazy person that she was just a scared little bitch. That's really it.
That makes it even more likely that he had no idea how many there were.
... Shut up.
I understand, but it still doesn't justify it in my eyes. Ben wasn't malicious, he just fucked up. And I can understand Kenny hating Ben, but once death comes into play, that's too far.
Hm. Since apparently Gavin might read this... I really like your voice acting as Kenny. It's very distinct from your own voice.
And the… more big one!
As a southern American, thank you for not beating 'Southern Drawl' or 'Southern Twang' or 'Southern Stereotype Talking' or whatever you want to call it, into the ground with a sledgehammer. It gets old. PS: Why didn't Kenny just ask Lee if he was 'hood in the barn? It would've gone down better. Tee hee.
The train, what happened that CAUSED all of those things, was acted upon before Kenny was truly in grief. He seemed to be over his family's death, at least for the moment, in Crawford. That's why I didn't attribute that to him grieving.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
Yup. Fucking tragic, isn't it? Not as tragic as what happened to Doug. Actually, considering I don't like Carley in the slightest, not a tragedy at all! Wheeeeeee!
Well, you said plenty about the train, Chuck's death, Ben's death and Ben's other death, AND everyone else in the group's deaths other than … moreChrista and Clementine. Which all happened within days of his family dying. Kenny's a prick to people in general, I don't completely blame that on his grief, but I think some of his more important decisions which you use against him should have his grief noted on them, since everyone else gets that benefit.
Which is my biggest complaint about season 2 so far.
Yes. Though Lilly didn't even deserve that. She was trying to HELP her group and she was actually right, Carley backed the wrong person.
Good point. Though even a couple of them is enough to make most people hesitate and Luke has shown no hesitation other than when he thought he was holding a half-zombie in his hands. xD
NOE.
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Kenny went into grief the second he found out Duck was bitten. He literally drove himself mad for a while over it. He never got over it. He's STILL not over it, still grieving. He just doesn't let anything stop him. If there's one thing he has going for him, it's that he'll never give up. He might act retarded at times though. Speaking of which, I bet you're happy he got called out for not thinking things all the way through in episode 2 huh? d:
YEEES.
Doug also backed the wrong person, but he was just trying to save Ben's life, since Ben wasn't a bad person. Carley was just being a bitch, granted she was also defending Ben.
Nawh.
SHUR BUDDEH.
You played episode 3 yet? I found it to be uneventful and short.
The train, what happened that CAUSED all of those things, was acted upon before Kenny was truly in grief. He seemed to be over his family's … moredeath, at least for the moment, in Crawford. That's why I didn't attribute that to him grieving.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
Yup. Fucking tragic, isn't it? Not as tragic as what happened to Doug. Actually, considering I don't like Carley in the slightest, not a tragedy at all! Wheeeeeee!
Yus.
Yey, I wun.
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Yup.
Kenny wasn't very communicative. They didn't ask, because they didn't feel a need to, and I doubt that if anyone did, they didn't want to interrupt Kenny and his family, in their time of need. Clearly, everyone was told offscreen, after Lee. When has anyone been in grief other than right then? Larry? The one grieving was immobilized, unless someone who meant a lot to her was in danger. Omid? Christa was sobbing on the floor, looking for something to explain what just happened. Omid in episode 4? Christa ran directly up to Omid's possibly reanimating corpse, and sobbed. Lee? Clementine did what he told her to, and then she just walked for a while. Shawn? Hershel had a fit of rage and threw some people off of his farm. I meant that grieving makes everyone stupid. Being too stubborn (like Ken) is a form of stupidity. There are many. Kenny was never a leader. The only hard decisions he ever had to make were to save Shawn or not (which he regretted) or to kill Larry/save him. The only time he WAS leader, he was so for about a night, and in that time, he caused the death of everyone he was with, and would be with. Sounds pretty horrible to me. He got Omid killed, by causing the series of events that gave Omid Clementine, and also changed his course from wherever the fuck he and Christa were going. Chuck went with Kenny on the train. He died where he ended up. Chuck could've stayed pretty much forever in that train car. Or if they HAD to move the train, they could have started it, then hopped out while it moved slowly. Chuck could then have gotten into the RV. And if Ben was saved, Kenny caused the horde that forced them onto the roofs, which led to Ben's death, and on top of that, it was him that broke the balcony to the point that it couldn't hold Ben. If Ken had gone after Ben, things would have been fine, because Ben is thin and light. If Ben was not saved, Kenny was possibly instrumental in convincing Lee to kill him. Molly is the only one not in any way related to Kenny.
Yup.
Lilly expresses her distaste for Lee if he helps Kenny introduce Larry to a salt lick by trying to let him die instead of helping him, and all while she was grieving. Christa's still a bitch while Omid is hurt. Christa also blew a hole in Michelle for shooting Omid then clearly expressed anger towards Clementine and hinted that she blamed Clementine for what had just happened. Lee didn't let ANYTHING stop him while he was grieving. He went ham and killed everything in his way to get to Clementine. Badass much? Herschel was a douchebag, but he still expressed his opinions. My point is that, while grieving might make people make irrational decisions unless they're Lee, it doesn't stop them from voicing their opinions that we have seen yet. If any of them thought the train was a bad idea at any point, especially after the grieving was over, I think they would have said so. Kenny does have stupid qualities, but we've pretty much confirmed that nearly everyone in these games all have some pretty stupid traits. In terms of the characters, I'd say he's one of the smarter ones. Kenny was at one point a leader. He was a leader for the entire time after Lilly left and was in a power struggle with her the entire time she was with the group. Lee was always the actual leader, but never took any credit for keeping the group together and leading them(Unless you say you're the leader to the st johns in episode 2 lol), so they recognized other people as the leaders. Kenny also had to make the hard decision of whether to leave the girl in episode 3 or kill her out of mercy(which Lee can go along with or go against) and steal from the stranger. I still don't think they would have survived much longer had they not used the train, and there's no undeniable proof that they would have.
He didn't get Omid killed. Omid and Christa chose to take care of Clementine and Omid chose to try to save her, and honestly, they probably headed back to where ever they originally planned to go. It seemed like they wanted to get out of cities, and they did. Chuck died because he chose to save Clementine from some zombies which were attracted to them because of the bell, not necessarily the train, and it's more Ben's fault than Kenny's that Chuck died imo. Ben could have yanked Clementine away with him and saved her without anyone having to die but he pussied out and ditched her. Chuck probably couldn't have stayed much longer in the train car, it looked like he was almost out of food and water if he wasn't out of supplies already and he didn't seem to have any hunting equipment. So if Christa, Omid or Lee had switched places with Kenny while jumping, you would blame them for Ben's death? Ben was just unlucky enough to be the person at the back. With Ben's whining, he probably would have drawn more zombies than Lee and Kenny could have handled anyways, since they were almost completely out of ammo. Besides, Ben was impaled and probably would have bled to death or died from infection or something if he had managed to survive the alleyway. Yes, Kenny wanted Lee to drop Ben, but in the end it was Lee's choice whether to drop Ben or pull him up, and in that case, Ben helped himself be dropped he he was dropped just as much as Kenny if not more, because he was telling Lee to drop him....then he pussied out and cried for Lee to help him. Though I think that might actually be a glitch, because it sounds like the same sound clip that plays when the zombie on the bell grabs Ben. "LEE PLEASE HELP ME" or something.
No.
Angry outbursts are a part of the grieving process, and Lilly still bursts out at Lee no matter his choice. And if Lee kills Larry, Lilly would rather mourn than help. Doing anything other than mourning is a hard thing to do, especially in such an extreme situation. It probably wasn't even a thought that entered her head, in that scenario. If somebody just tried to save your fathers' life a second time, despite the dad trying to kill him, you probably would react very intensely at his cries for help. Christa shot Michelle, yes, but that's before she knew for sure her husband was dead. She hadn't even really seen the wound. I doubt she was mourning at that point. And Christa wasn't grieving when Omid was hurt, she was doing her best to get their new group to help him. Hell yeah, Lee is badass. He's badass because he's such an exception. But then again, he did mention that he wasn't really grieving, more just scared. Hershel is not that much of a douchebag. He did the same thing Christa did after Omid's death. He looked for someone to blame. And yeah, I agree that people do stupid things when they're grieving. That's why I said grief makes people stupid. And also, when someone is leading, you aren't thinking as much. And I think everyone was grieving in their own way except for Chuck and the lucky couple. Chromid didn't even choose to be on the train. They were forced. Forced by Kenny's goddamn horde. Lee didn't really lead until after Kenny's family died. That was when a dramatic shift in power occurred. Lee always had a big voice, but for the most part, he did what other people told him to. The only thing I can think of after Katjaa and Duck that Kenny ordered was the trip to the pier to find a boat. And Lee only went because he either agreed, or because he didn't want Kenny to get hurt, or something along those lines. I don't think that makes him a leader for anything after Duck. Because Christa also dictated certain things, but she didn't lead shit until her husband died. And Kenny didn't make that choice to kill the girl or not. He suggested it, and he had his own gun to do it with. He let Lee decide. I suppose that Kenny led stealing from Campman, but if Lilly were truly against it, the group would not have done it.
Omid and Christa chose to take care of Clem, but they only KNEW Clem because of Kenny, and his horde, which forced them to embark on a journey with Clem. Chuck is definitely a weaker link. I'm willing to sacrifice that, but he did steal Chuck's home. It's not really Ben's fault that Chuck died, though. Because if Kenny had decided to move the train and continue in the RV, then Chuck could have joined them. Then he would have had a better chance. And looking closer at the game, if Ben had yanked Clem, Clem would have caught a bite to the face. Or Ben would've caught one to the back. Of the three of them, I would prefer Chuck dying, so I don't really mind that part. Chuck did have that shovel, though. Knowing Hobro, he could definitely kill some big game with that. In all seriousness, Chuck would've walked into the next town if he ran out of supplies, and knowing him, he would make it. He has the air of someone who's starved, and knows alternate ways to get food. I get the feeling that Kenny's weight is what broke it. If they had switched places, someone else could have died, and they'd have no way of getting down to them. No way was Ben going to survive after the fall, but the fall didn't have to happen. It was lee's choice for sure, and I'm not saying that it was mostly his fault, I'm just saying that reasons for someone doing something have some of the blame for the consequences. I think the "LEE HELP ME" was just a lazy reused sound clip.
Soon.
I don't mean Lilly sat around moping, I mean she watched Lee about to be killed, looked at the gun in her hands, looked back at Lee and watched some more, while he cried out for her help. Her intention was to let him die. Then again Kenny has done shit like that before, and Larry outright knocked Lee on his ass in an attempt to leave him behind, so it's not like she's the only person to ever try to get him killed.
To me at least, Christa seemed like her will to survive and morals went out the window before she shot Michelle and were replaced with grief and anger. She must have been grieving, since she was completely unforgiving of Michelle, who was clearly sorry. Michelle could have shot Christa, but dropped her gun. She didn't actually want to kill anyone. If she thought Omid was still alive, why would she kill a pleading young girl who clearly didn't mean to hurt anyone?
They could have kept walking. It's not Kenny's fault they stopped to chat. And like I said, they got to where they wanted to go anyways, but they ran into trouble that wasn't Clementine's fault. If Clementine wasn't with them, they probably still would have stopped for some fuck time in the bathroom and been very vulnerable to attack. Michelle probably would have stolen all of their supplies and left, leaving them to die.
Well, he did steal Chuck's home, but it seemed more like a temporary home for him, since he probably couldn't have stayed there much longer with his situation on supplies. Heck, he probably would have decided to start the train up himself and ride it to Savannah. Then again, he might have actually lived longer had he done that. Though he probably wouldn't survive for very long in Savannah by himself without the powers of Molly-ness.
It's not Ben's fault directly that Chuck died, but it's as much Ben's fault as it is Kenny's. In the end, Chuck chose to put his life on the line for Clementine, Kenny might have brought some extra walkers to the area that might have caused Chuck to get bitten, and Ben bailed on Clementine which caused Chuck to step in and save Clementine. If Ben had yanked Clementine, she would have been up against him. By yanked, I mean up against him, or he could probably have picked her up. It's not like she was very big at the time. He didn't get bitten, so there's no reason to believe Clementine would have if she was right next to him. I liked Chuck's character more than Ben's and I believe Ben could have easily pulled Clementine aside with him and ran away and still survived along with her, so I didn't like that part. D: I'm not sure if Chuck the hobo would have been able to make it to the nearest town alone with absolutely no supplies other than a bottle of water and a package of animal crackers(that's all the food I noticed in the area the train was in), but he could have. Either way, he probably would have died shortly after, if he was alone. He didn't have any guns so he had to go into melee range to kill zombies. What ever air Chuck has is probably one of a man who doesn't bathe much. Other than that, there's no proof he has any special airs around him, unless you're a fart whisperer or something.
There's no reason to believe Kenny was a fatty. He was probably about as heavy as Lee was and it started breaking before he even got on it. Also, Ben probably could have made the jump if he had hurried. He paused for a few seconds before the balcony broke. Also, you get the feeling Kenny's weight is what broke it? Where's the undeniable proof? d: "Someone else could have died, and they'd have no way of getting down to them". They would still have the same ladder and would still be able to get down to who ever fell. Unless you mean something like Kenny going across first and it breaking, in which case they'd all be fucked and would likely all die because they aren't Molly and aren't very good at scaling buildings, and I didn't see any other ways out of that situation for them.
Yes, Kenny did pressure Lee a bit and some players probably did drop Ben solely because Kenny wanted them to, but I still don't consider Kenny the reason Ben died. Lee chooses to drop him and he wants to be dropped, so I'd say the two people who are actually keeping Ben from dying(Ben and Lee) are the ones to blame if Ben dies, since they both let go of each other in that situation. I don't blame Kenny at all for Ben's death either way.
Yeah, it was probably just a lazy reused sound clip, you're probably right.
Never.
She didn't watch Lee about to be killed. She was two rooms away, and away from the door. All she likely heard was struggling and the gunshot. If Lee tried to save Larry, then Lilly's first thought at that shout that Lee made was, "Oh fuck, Lee!" If he killed him, it would probably be something more like, "Dad, oh God," or whatever she was already thinking. She wouldn't care about the fight, she would care about her dad.
Don't get me wrong, she was just about grieving, but I don't think the full grief set in until she started saying "Omid?" She killed the girl because she was angry, very deep inside.
When you see a train pull up, and people who need help, while you have a pregnant woman, you might want to help them out, have some people when your baby is born. They would still have gone to the bathroom they went into, and Michelle still would've gone into the bathroom she went into. And considering her age, she would have cried out at seeing that, and Michelle being without a gun, Christa and Omid would have had the upper hand.
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying, but if they just sent the home out, and went in the RV, Chuck could have gone with them, a free ride to town. I think he would've appreciated it.
That's true, that it's as much Ben's fault as Kenny's. But here's the difference, Ben doesn't leave people behind because he disagreed about murder. And I know what you meant. A walker NARROWLY missed Ben. If his arm had been outstretched, then they might have both caught one in the arm. And plus, considering that we rarely see food, we can assume that Chuck had a little more than that water bottle out in the open, if he didn't even think to get the crackers. And men who don't bathe much smell less alive. So Chuck might have the only air that matters.
Kenny is a bit chubby. You can see it in his model. He's also decently tall. Ben is a twig who happens to be pretty tall. I think it should have gone Omid, Ben, Christa, Lee, then Kenny. The only problem with that, is the fact that Lee might have muscle mass. We never see the kind of muscles he possesses, but he seems pretty swoll. The undeniable proof that Kenny broke it is when Kenny jumped, it zoomed in on the thing, breaking it. I meant that they wouldn't be able to jump that small jump without the balcony. People who were already over there could help whoever fell. But regardless, have you ever tried to jump off of something you heard breaking? I have, and all it does is break it quicker. If Ben had gone first, he wouldn't have damaged it nearly as much as everyone else, leaving it so that Kenny didn't jump and leave no durability left for the next person.
I definitely don't consider Kenny THE reason, but just A reason. And being any reason for that is shitty, if you are so intentionally.
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No, she watched him about to be killed. I'm referring to the scene with ANDY, not DANNY. The scene outside of the barn. If Lee sides with Kenny in the meat locker, Lilly tries to let him die. Same for Kenny if Lee sides with Lilly. More that they don't lift a finger to help him when they easily could and see him about to die. When you're struggling at the electric fence with Andy, Lilly looks at Lee and if you didn't side with her, she just stares, looks at her gun and stares some more, while Lee cries out for her help.
Probably, though she showed so little emotion towards the girl, I think she was at least in shock. She also looked very sad when she shot the girl, emotionless. That's the face of grief, not of anger. Though I wish she didn't kill Michelle. Michelle was just trying to survive, granted by being a thief, but I really don't think she meant to hurt or kill anyone.
Michelle seemed to be a middle aged teen, she had probably at least known what sex was at that point, maybe even had some her self, maybe. She also would have gone into the other stall soon after, since Clementine wouldn't have been there to keep her occupied, and Omid and Christa were probably distracted with their sextime, so she could probably grab one of their guns in time.
Yes, Chuck probably would have gladly accompanied the group and they probably would have let him, but I still have doubts about the RV taking them far enough to get to Savannah.
Ben could have reacted much sooner and gotten himself and Clementine out of harm's way easily, but he froze up then left her behind. Regardless of whether he might have been in more danger or not, he should have tried to save Clementine.
I don't think Kenny's chubby, in fact I think he looks like he's in quite good shape. Maybe with a little bit more weight on him in season 2, but in season 1 the characters were literally starved for a lot of the season, so none of them are chubby at all, and for good reason. Other than Larry maybe, but I think he might just be very big boned and very muscular. After all, he can pretty much knock anyone else in the group out with one punch. Lee is shown to be pretty strong, so he probably has some muscle mass. I'd say it would have been best if Lee went last because he was the one marked for death anyways and I'm pretty sure the rest of the group would make sure they got to Clementine at all costs if Lee died, because they all pretty much vowed to put their lives on the line for her. You could see the balcony breaking at like the second person or so, Kenny was just the last straw. Besides, why should Kenny be at the back? Why should he die over Ben? He was actually more useful than Ben, who did nothing but keep secrets and knowingly get people killed. At least Kenny had SOME useful traits. The only decently useful thing Ben did was tell the group that it's not the bite that turns people into zombies. The balcony was literally about ready to fall apart, Ben would have still done damage and if Kenny had gone last, he probably would have been the one to break it. Besides, no one was aware of the Balcony breaking until it was too late, so it's really no one's fault Ben died. He was just unlucky enough to be at the back of the group and the one on the balcony when it broke.
I don't consider him a reason, just an influence. Though he was quite a douchebag for giving that look to Lee before climbing down the ladder. To me it was like saying "You gonna drop him?" Though Kenny did clearly regret how he had behaved afterwards. "I'm glad it was you making that call and not me" - Kenny if Lee saves Ben. Like you said, grief can make people stupid, I wouldn't hold it against Kenny for wanting Ben to die for a while. It takes a good person to actually forgive someone for something like that in the first place.
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Ah. Okay. Yeah. After he killed her dad? You shitting me? You expect her to save him after that goddamn atrocity? I might have even shot Lee in that position. "Whoops, it was a mistake, I tried to save him!" I guess she's an exception just like Lee. That makes me almost like her a little more.
Yeah, shock makes sense. Still not full blown grief.
So you're saying if you opened a door and saw 2 thirty (or however old) year olds fucking, you wouldn't flinch? I know what sex is, I'd make some noise. Plus, when something happens, people look. They'd notice the door opening, especially in the zombie apocalypse.
Maybe the RV not getting them to Savannah is a good thing. Considering that the train would've gone and attracted the horde. The RV would have gotten them somewhere. Somewhere safer.
No he couldn't have. I'm telling you, there's no way that the two of them get out there alive. Look at the footage. That walker was insanely close. Clem would've been fucked.
You can see the shirt hanging in front of the chubs. Some people, even when largely starved, will appear large. Trust me, that is how I am. I've gone long periods of time without eating, and I did not slim down much. I read about it, and some people only slim up when they're at a certain stage of starvation. And I don't think Ken ever reached that.
Yes. And influences are big. Also, Kenny didn't want Ben to die while in the attic.
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Well, if not for him, she should have done it for Clementine, who was literally standing about a foot behind her watching. I am not sure what happens if you side with Lilly, I don't remember, but I do recall that in the stalls with Danny, Kenny doesn't help you and Lilly comes out like Rambo and owns him. I personally like that scene more. Though the original point of this dispute was whether Lilly was more focused on grieving, which she wasn't. She just wanted Lee to die for a while and clearly showed it.
Alright, I guess I can settle for that.
Well, she'd probably make some noise, but I'm willing to bet that they set their guns down while they fucked and Michelle would have been able to grab a gun before them. Michelle didn't notice the door opening, then again Omid was being sneaky because I guess he heard the commotion. Though Michelle might have heard some....commotion had she went into Omid and Christa's side of the bathroom instead. Oh, and they probably would have died to those bandits had Omid been with Christa instead of Clementine. Or they might have died to the zombies. It all depends on how smart Omid would have been in that situation.
The RV would have gotten them somewhere, not necessarily safer, but certainly somewhere. In the end though, it was Kenny's RV that kept the group alive that long in the first place. It might be his fault they didn't stay alive longer, but it's because of him that any of them were still alive in the first place. I think he deserves some cool points for that.
I'm saying if Ben hadn't completely frozen up first. He stalled for around 2-3 seconds before running away, letting the zombies get closer. He might have been able to quickly pull her away if he had acted fast. I remember the scene well, the zombies didn't start out dryhumping him.
I don't know, he seems pretty strong. For instance, when he dropped Lee on a car, or when he dropped Lee into a walker hoard. d: But apparently he was still being effected by his shotgun wound. Kenny isn't a small person, but I still never noticed any chubbiness. Maybe he is a fatty, but he's certainly a durable one. Either way, I don't think putting the group members in any other order would have made
Influences CAN be big. SOME people probably killed Ben mostly because of Kenny, but my guess is that most people who did drop him wanted to get rid of him because he's nearly useless and a big detriment to the group at multiple points in time, not because Kenny was pissed at him, and besides, most people didn't drop Ben, so clearly Kenny wasn't too large of an influence there anyways. d:. Though I think Kenny had a right to want Ben to die. Kenny didn't want Ben to die at all after their little argument. They reached an understanding. For once Kenny's character was perfect. Theeeen Telltale decided to make him more hate-able. I still hope they bring him back to his epic selflessness.
They wouldn't have set their guns down far away. Not in a zombie fucking apocalypse. It would be directly next to them, they'd hear the door open and shut, and then they'd hear Michelle. After all that commotion, pants or not, they would have had their guns out. And who's to say that they would have died? We never saw Omid in action. He was always injured or simply not in a position to fight. He could be rambo for all we know.
Oh yeah. The RV definitely helped. But that was more him striving to fuck over Lilly in my opinion.
Anyone would've frozen up unless they were Lee, Chuck, Michonne, Abraham, Rick, or Carl. Everyone else would be scared shitless for a second or two.
Him being affected by the shotgun only helps me. He wouldn't really be in a position to exercise. Only walk, and occasionally jog. Everything else would be out of reach. Durable fatty, but fatty nonetheless. Fatty enough to be the biggest damage to the balcony.
Yes they can. And the fact that he can be such a huge influence for something so awful is horrible.
And the big one!
As a southern American, thank you for not beating 'Southern Drawl' or 'Southern Twang' or 'Southern Stereotype Talking' or whatever you want to call it, into the ground with a sledgehammer. It gets old. PS: Why didn't Kenny just ask Lee if he was 'hood in the barn? It would've gone down better. Tee hee.
Probably not, though sex can really cloud your mind, hence letting an 11 year old little girl go into a creepy bathroom alone in the zombie apocalypse so you can get some fuck time. If Michelle walked in quietly, they might not have heard her, then she could dart over to the gun or sneak over to it. Though that's not definitive proof, so I guess I don't really have shit on you there. You're right, we never actually got too see Omid do anything other than get his leg severely injured and be a detriment to the group for 2 episodes. xD
Eh, I guess we'll just agree to disagree there. I don't think Kenny wanted to be the leader ot fuck over Lilly, he just wanted to keep those he cares about safe, which at the time were his group which were keeping him alive, and his family.
I'd like to believe Kenny, Lilly and Luke wouldn't have frozen up. They're pretty brave. Still, it doesn't make what Ben did any better just because a lot of other people would have done the same thing. They'd be wrong for it too. d;
That's a good point. I still don't think he's fat, but he might be a little bit on the heavy side. Either way, I think the balcony would have broken regardless of who went in what order. Like I said, I think Ben was just unlucky enough to be the last one across.
Well, he was an influence, but can you blame him? It's amazing he even forgave Ben. Ben was kind of the reason Kenny's family died, and the reason Carley/Doug died(along with Lilly who shot them, but Ben could have stopped the violence), AND the reason Clementine almost died, AAAAAAAAAAAND the reason that one fat lady who was with Vernon died and everyone else almost died. Heck, if you drop him, he's even indirectly the reason HE dies on more than one account, because he lets go of Lee, he wants to die, and he's the one who let the zombies in. In other words, I think Kenny had the right to want him to die for a while and I don't think it makes him a bad person. Like you said, grief makes people do stupid things.
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Michelle wouldn't be quiet. That's just a fact. She would make some sort of noise. EVEN if she didn't, those bathroom doors were creaky and loud as fuck. Remember the door closing on Omid? That shit was fucking loud.
What better way to say "fuck you," than to openly prepare for something that the leader of your group condemns?
Luke probably wouldn't have, but then again, he's never been surrounded by so many zombies. At least not in the time that we've known him. Kenny and Lilly might have jumped into action, but I don't really know. Kenny froze up quite a bit in the alley... Both alleys. And after saving Duck. And Lilly froze up after killing Doug/Carley.
Heavy for sure. But really, sending the light people first gives EVERYONE better chance of crossing. I don't think he's fat either. Just chubby.
Yup. You can. He's totally in the right to be an influence, but he's also totally an influence.
Omid was careless and let the door shut hard, in my opinion at least. He could have gently closed it or opened it more then ran at Michelle or something.
Just saying "fuck you" usually does the trick. I don't think Kenny was trying to take her position as leader just to be a dick to her. He actually had a good point about not staying at the motor inn forever that turned out to be right.
Well, Luke dove into a dispersed zombie hoard to help save Clementine, but then he dropped her on the ground when he saw she had some kind of a bite on her arm, but he's never shown to be a coward other than that time when he was caught by surprise, so I'm not sure. Lilly froze up after she had just killed an innocent person and realized it. That's kind of different from risking your life in my opinion. Kenny though, you have a point, though they both got the job done in the end when someone needed saving....unless it was Ben, they both hated him lol.
It might have helped some, but that balcony was about ready to break in the first place. They did send some of the lighter people first and it started breaking after like the second person, so I still think it would have broke under someone regardless.
Yes, he's an influence, but I don't think it should be held against him. He could have just pushed Lee and Ben both down into the zombies lol. But he didn't. All he did was give Lee a look that wasn't even mean or angry seeming.
Omid let the door shut on its own.
In such a tense situation, not really. Plus he didn't take leadership responsibilities. He didn't hand out the food. He didn't check up on the medicine counts. He only made one decision, and made it somewhat passively.
There were like three there. It wasn't a horde in the slightest. Like 15 were around Ben and Clem.
I doubt it. But this one goes to neither of us. Because we can't prove anything one way or another. Actually, since you're looking for undeniable proof, I think I win this one.
I do. And that look was pretty fucking nasty. One of the reasons I hate the guy, in fact.
Omid was stupid though. He should have carefully shut it or opened it wider or moved towards Michelle faster or done SOMETHING differently than what he did.
Well, for me at least, "fuck you" works fine even in a tense situation. Kenny didn't hand out the supplies, he just went and risked his life constantly to collect them.
I said dispersed. And there were more than 3, I'm pretty sure. They ran out of ammo before they even killed all of the zombies and had to run because of that.
We're both looking for undeniable proof, remember? d: So I guess we'll just agree that that one is a tie.
If I recall correctly, to me, the look seemed like "He killed my family. Think about that." He was also still grieving. But then again I don't remember the look Kenny gives very well.
Yup. But that might've gotten him killed quicker. I think what he should have done was tackle her after opening the door carefully.
No. Not in a situation that tense. That's how Carley died.
No. Not at first. When Luke hopped in, there were three.
I'm not looking for undeniable proof, you're looking for undeniable proof. remember? I said bring me a situation in which Ken is undeniably smart. So I win.
He smiled. He smiled and raised his eyebrow. Fucking scumbag.
I think he should have just opened the door and ninjad towards her faster. He was so close, he could have slapped the gun out of her hand, tackled her, roundhouse kicked her, anything lol.
Carley died because Lilly already suspected her of being a thief and she was defending the actual thief and insulting the person trying to protect her whole group. I think Kenny could get away with telling Lilly to go fuck her self at the motor inn.
Well, when Luke got on screen at least.
In this specific debate, we were trying to decide if everyone could have lived at the balcony, not if Kenny was smart in that particular situation. So it's a tie.
Well, Ben DID get his family killed. Would you not be happy to see the murderer of your family about to fall to his certain death, barely a few days after your family had just died because of him? But yeah, I remember the look now, it was a bit....mean. I think he was just hoping Lee would drop Ben, which he had a right to.
Yeah, but he didn't.
Carley died because she told a borderline crazy person that she was just a scared little bitch. That's really it.
That makes it even more likely that he had no idea how many there were.
... Shut up.
I understand, but it still doesn't justify it in my eyes. Ben wasn't malicious, he just fucked up. And I can understand Kenny hating Ben, but once death comes into play, that's too far.
Which is my biggest complaint about season 2 so far.
Yes. Though Lilly didn't even deserve that. She was trying to HELP her group and she was actually right, Carley backed the wrong person.
Good point. Though even a couple of them is enough to make most people hesitate and Luke has shown no hesitation other than when he thought he was holding a half-zombie in his hands. xD
NOE.
That's acceptable. Though Kenny never actually killed Ben and was pretty much just agreeing with Ben(since Ben wanted to die), and if Lee saves Ben, Kenny even turns full circle and tries to save Ben. Even though it was stupid of him. The smart thing to do would have been just to pull Ben up and be on their ways, hoping he didn't die from bleeding, which he might not have. At least he'd have had a better chance of surviving than he did being left in the alley.
I think Kenny was trying to be... delicate with Lee. It's never been something Kenny is good at.
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Yup. Fucking tragic, isn't it? Not as tragic as what happened to Doug. Actually, considering I don't like Carley in the slightest, not a tragedy at all! Wheeeeeee!
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Doug also backed the wrong person, but he was just trying to save Ben's life, since Ben wasn't a bad person. Carley was just being a bitch, granted she was also defending Ben.
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