Well, If she's like that, My opinion of her might change. Sometimes you have to go off the book in order to succeed. You've ever played Mass Effect? Mass Effect has an elite task called "Spectres", They operate without any law restrictions to get the job done. But they're carefully picked in order to prevent any harm. I believe in that to the core. Some guys need to have their space in order to get the job done. You may disagree with me.
She's not worse than Ichabod, trust me. You saw what he did to her for one thing. For another, Snow has always been running the office, not … morehim. Did you read the letters on his desk? He does no work and that's why Fabletown is such a mess. She acts the boss because she is the boss now and she's struggling to gain the same respect that Crane and their boss before him was getting. She does care for Bigby but she feels like she has to have a tough exterior and she is trying to exact change. That cab ride in ep 1 showed that, but I think solving these murders are her priority now and no other method had worked, so she falls back on the thing she knows best, going by the book. Colin did get on her about that but it will take more to convince her not to try to put restrictions on Bigby. Fabletown doesn't have murders very often so yeah, it's a super stressful situation for everyone. This is how Snow is though. It's not a flaw, it's her character. I think she's a more real character than super badass Molly tbh.
Nope. This is a prequel to the comics, and she's still a complete cunt in those too.
She was cool before, now I'm going to kill the Crooked Man, half reason being to spite her.
I only finished the first one. I believe Colin is right and Bigby can't be put on a leash but another thing you might not have gotten that's explored more in the book is that Bigby worked really hard to become part of the community and Snow has had to vouch for him. being the Big Bad Wolf he has a hideous reputation and people are scared of him, so things like what he did to Tweedle Dee sets him back. as Sheriff he needs to have the citizens trust and I think that's what Sbow is most afraid of. If he can't do his job, it makes hers harder.
I hope you e been getting what I'm trying to say. The autocorrect on my IPad makes me sound like a damn fool.
Well, If she's like that, My opinion of her might change. Sometimes you have to go off the book in order to succeed. You've ever played Mass… more Effect? Mass Effect has an elite task called "Spectres", They operate without any law restrictions to get the job done. But they're carefully picked in order to prevent any harm. I believe in that to the core. Some guys need to have their space in order to get the job done. You may disagree with me.
No, it's okay. I don't really care about auto-correct as long as you're making some valid points. And that you're doing very well. Yeah, I haven't read the books. And I think you're kinda right. But still, I need my space, I can't operate like that. Maybe that's what I'm saying, That she'll get better in Ep5? Well, We'll see when it comes out.
I only finished the first one. I believe Colin is right and Bigby can't be put on a leash but another thing you might not have gotten that's… more explored more in the book is that Bigby worked really hard to become part of the community and Snow has had to vouch for him. being the Big Bad Wolf he has a hideous reputation and people are scared of him, so things like what he did to Tweedle Dee sets him back. as Sheriff he needs to have the citizens trust and I think that's what Sbow is most afraid of. If he can't do his job, it makes hers harder.
I hope you e been getting what I'm trying to say. The autocorrect on my IPad makes me sound like a damn fool.
Well, I'll quote some of the things he has said in order to make my point.
I see, so you were a proper sheriff intimidating people into following the rules right up until you had to make good on it. Then you chickened out just to be contrary
if you can't respect that then you can hardly expect her to pat you on the head like a lapdog every time you make any progress at all.
it's your job and expecting people to follow the rules because they're the rules and it's for the good of the community isn't being a tyrant just because she isn't pussyfooting about it.
And just read the whole first comment. It's not about what he's saying, It's about how he's saying it.
Alright, I won't engage in "my type of talking", then. I'll just point out what I see as flaws in your logic as objectively as possible, and you can defend them if you so see fit.
"She never appreciates any of the work you do," I don't see why she particularly has to. It's your job, she's under a lot of pressure herself and the situation is just too dire for her to worry about Bigby's ego in the middle of everything. I'm sure she does appreciate the actual work, but I think she can be forgiven for not remembering to say so out loud at every opportunity under the circumstances.
"She keeps bossing you around, And she doesn't care whether I'm worried about her or not. The only occasion where i felt she worries a bit was when Bigby got beaten by Bloody Mary." Again, she's the boss, it's Bigby's job, we're in the middle of a huge crisis that requires decisive action and we're all the help she has. I think she can also be forgiven for expecting Bigby to do as she says when she needs his assistance. I'm also sure she does care that he worries about her, but that's just not nearly as important as what Fabletown is going through, and it isn't helpful if it prevents her from doing her own job.
"Doing things by the book hurts the community in those particular situations. She spoke that people couldn't find help because of that exact same system, So why follow it? Why not change it? The Government needs someone who's like Jack in order to please everyone. In these hard times, You need to get your hands dirty, No other alternatives."
You really should be more specific about these things. Which particular situations? How would someone like Jack being in charge please everyone, and why is that a priority? Why do you need to get your hands dirty? Like I said though, the root of the problem in Fabletown is Crane's sloppiness, favoritism and dismissal of the lower class, which is in fact what she says in Episode 1, even if she blames herself for not being in a position to change it, and now that she's in charge, she's obviously trying to turn that around and start fresh.
"Besides, She thinks now that she's the boss. She thinks that no one should disobey her because they think she might have done the wrong call."
Why shouldn't she? If she thinks she made the right call to protect the community and somebody who works for her disobeys her because they disagree, obviously she's going to be upset. She has to make it clear to the average fable that she's in charge now to keep Fabletown running, and Bigby blatantly undermining her authority doesn't help with that, even if he's right and she's wrong in particular cases.
Notice that she doesn't punish you if you go against her judgement, she's just mildly pissed. It's quite simply a case of her having to deal with a subordinate who isn't strictly a yes-man, and Bigby having to learn to take orders from his boss and only bend them if he genuinely knows something she doesn't and there isn't time to discuss it, which has been the case thus far.
She was too offended by the glamour of herself to be rational about Greenleaf, and she didn't know that Bigby had totaled Toad's car and wall in the pursuit of duty, and that Fabletown owed him that money. In both cases, disobeying her furthers Fabletown's credibility with all fables, which is her own overall goal. I could never think of a defensible reason to let Colin stay, though, so I don't know how she reacts if you go against her on that.
Ideally, you should be able to take her aside and hash stuff like this out if you think you know better before any decisions are made, but there isn't always time for that, and if you feel that whatever cause you champion justifies undermining her a little then that's entirely your choice. But since she's the one you're undermining it'd be unreasonable to expect her to be happy about it, even if you're right.
She's a little hasty sometimes, that's true, partially due to stress and partially due to lack of information given the bigger crisis, but her actual goals make sense, and you're in a position to help her with them whether she likes it or not at any given time. You can't blame her for being angry when you disobey her until things calm down and you can talk about it sensibly, though.
I have already addressed that I'm not speaking with you. I know your type of talking, I was a debater in a lot of Atheism vs Theism debates … moreand I know how you guys think. If you just stop judging for five minutes, And start analyzing what I say, You'll get it. Every explanation i say is a joke to you, And you don't even consider it seriously and then starting making fun of me. I don't want to get into that conversation because it'll get tense. And I have a good reputation of respecting un-trolling opinions, It's even written in my bio. So, I'm AVOIDING, Not CONDESCENDING.
That wasn't so hard, Was it? Now, I can talk. I'm having a bad day and i didn't want to get in a fight. I hope you understand.
Well, A good job or a sign of appreciation won't be bad. I don't want her to kiss my ass, I just want to feel like I'm doing something.
If you are a leader, And you can't accept criticism, You're a tyrant. That's how i see it. So, As a politician and a mayor, She must be open to criticism.
What i meant about Jack, When you meet Jack stealing from Crane's apartment, The by the book attitude would be to imprison him. The open attitude would make a deal with him to get what you want and let him go. This is an example of being dirty, It has to be done, We need someone as open as Jack in order to get what we want in a war.
I wanted to talk to her about everything but the game doesn't give a chance. And I wish she can change a bit in the next episode.
Alright, I won't engage in "my type of talking", then. I'll just point out what I see as flaws in your logic as objectively as possible, and… more you can defend them if you so see fit.
"She never appreciates any of the work you do," I don't see why she particularly has to. It's your job, she's under a lot of pressure herself and the situation is just too dire for her to worry about Bigby's ego in the middle of everything. I'm sure she does appreciate the actual work, but I think she can be forgiven for not remembering to say so out loud at every opportunity under the circumstances.
"She keeps bossing you around, And she doesn't care whether I'm worried about her or not. The only occasion where i felt she worries a bit was when Bigby got beaten by Bloody Mary." Again, she's the boss, it's Bigby's job, we're in the middle of a huge crisis that requires decisive action and we're all the help she has. I think she can also be forgiven for expecti… [view original content]
Also, About Colin, Instead of just deporting them to the shithole farm, Do something about the Glamour. Make them feel as if the government actually cares.
Alright, I won't engage in "my type of talking", then. I'll just point out what I see as flaws in your logic as objectively as possible, and… more you can defend them if you so see fit.
"She never appreciates any of the work you do," I don't see why she particularly has to. It's your job, she's under a lot of pressure herself and the situation is just too dire for her to worry about Bigby's ego in the middle of everything. I'm sure she does appreciate the actual work, but I think she can be forgiven for not remembering to say so out loud at every opportunity under the circumstances.
"She keeps bossing you around, And she doesn't care whether I'm worried about her or not. The only occasion where i felt she worries a bit was when Bigby got beaten by Bloody Mary." Again, she's the boss, it's Bigby's job, we're in the middle of a huge crisis that requires decisive action and we're all the help she has. I think she can also be forgiven for expecti… [view original content]
Don't be smug, it's petty. If you don't want to fight then argue.
You are. She'd be in deep trouble without you and she knows it. Does she actually have to stop up and verbalize it for you to feel like you're doing something? Nobody's arguing that it wouldn't be nice, but can you really blame her for not doing it?
She does accept criticism, notice that she hasn't ineffectually and pointlessly demanded that Bigby be flayed for his insubordination. What she has a real problem with is him completely overriding and apparently ignoring her orders out of nowhere without proper explanation, and that's perfectly sensible for any leader. That there hasn't been opportunity for Bigby to explain his reasoning in a timely manner isn't her fault, and it doesn't make her a tyrant.
What's your argument, then? Snow notices Jack at Crane's apartment too, and she also lets it go after a quick chat. She's clearly capable of compromising when there are more important things to be worried about. And Jack isn't open, he's just spineless and wants to cut a deal to avoid punishment.
It'd be nice if we got a chance to sit down and talk to her and clear things up in the next episode, yes, but wishing she could change just because she isn't satisfied with you due to circumstances out of her control isn't fair to her character.
That wasn't so hard, Was it? Now, I can talk. I'm having a bad day and i didn't want to get in a fight. I hope you understand.
Well, A go… moreod job or a sign of appreciation won't be bad. I don't want her to kiss my ass, I just want to feel like I'm doing something.
If you are a leader, And you can't accept criticism, You're a tyrant. That's how i see it. So, As a politician and a mayor, She must be open to criticism.
What i meant about Jack, When you meet Jack stealing from Crane's apartment, The by the book attitude would be to imprison him. The open attitude would make a deal with him to get what you want and let him go. This is an example of being dirty, It has to be done, We need someone as open as Jack in order to get what we want in a war.
I wanted to talk to her about everything but the game doesn't give a chance. And I wish she can change a bit in the next episode.
I have a habit of having pride in my work and opinions, But that doesn't contradict respecting others as well. And i have a habit of just saying "Screw it" when I'm in a bad mood. I just don't have the social energy to do so.
Yes, I can blame her. If you're a leader of a military team, The rest of the team needs to fell that you understand them in order to get along, Even psychologically, in order to create the best results. She's become all about work, And that also is jeopardizing her talent of being a leader.
Well, That's the only opportunity that i found her to be a flexible leader. Maybe Jack isn't how i see him, But I'm speaking of a general principle, Not a certain person. You have to be open to crossing the line if necessary.
Yeah, I think so. I don't mean to change her, I mean for once, She can understand what I do. maybe that didn't happen to you, But she's nearly always criticizing my work.
We don't really have opposite opinions, It's just that our opinions weren't well-explained.
Don't be smug, it's petty. If you don't want to fight then argue.
You are. She'd be in deep trouble without you and she knows it. Does sh… moree actually have to stop up and verbalize it for you to feel like you're doing something? Nobody's arguing that it wouldn't be nice, but can you really blame her for not doing it?
She does accept criticism, notice that she hasn't ineffectually and pointlessly demanded that Bigby be flayed for his insubordination. What she has a real problem with is him completely overriding and apparently ignoring her orders out of nowhere without proper explanation, and that's perfectly sensible for any leader. That there hasn't been opportunity for Bigby to explain his reasoning in a timely manner isn't her fault, and it doesn't make her a tyrant.
What's your argument, then? Snow notices Jack at Crane's apartment too, and she also lets it go after a quick chat. She's clearly capable of compromising when there are m… [view original content]
She's not all by the book, she just recognizes that the present chaos is all because of Crane's sloppy, hypocritical and corrupt politics, a… morend that if she wants things to improve in the long term then she has to start fresh and without favoritism.
The fact that she doesn't grovel to Bigby or act like a shrinking violet anymore doesn't make her a bitch, it makes her your boss, and she isn't required to kiss your ass just to get you to do your job. She's under a lot of pressure from episode 3 and forward, and it sounds more like you're failing to appreciate that than that you actually know anything about her character.
Personally, I was concerned by how timid and passive she was in the beginning. It was pathetic and stereotypical, and very much unlike her. I'm glad she's starting to take proper charge, and I'm happy to help her clean up Fabletown, which means standing up to her when I know she's making a mistake just as much as making it … [view original content]
Also, About Colin, Instead of just deporting them to the shithole farm, Do something about the Glamour. Make them feel as if the government actually cares.
Either by improving the farm or by working on lowering the Glamour prices. When someone comes asking for help, Be straight with them. If they really can't afford the Glamour, Work it out by somehow depends on the situation. That's why i intimidated Toad and Colin before, To see whether they really can't afford it, Or they just don't want to waste their money. That's how and why By-the-book behavior makes the community hates you.
Yes, I can see that. I'm still not quite sure why it's any of my business.
Military officers don't stop their troops in the middle of a firefight to make sure they're all feeling properly appreciated. It's simply not the time or place. In the same sense, when Fabletown is suddenly on the brink of complete anarchy after two murders and a declaration of war on the government in as many days, you can't possibly expect her to halt all efforts when both she and Bigby are busy as hell and every second counts to tell him "Good job!" and distract him with her winning smile. The situation is just too desperate, there's no time to waste on fooling around with polite platitudes, and Bigby isn't one to walk away butt-hurt because she didn't say thank you when the entire community is at stake.
What about when she decided not to prosecute Crane as a killer even though the evidence technically pointed at him? That sounds flexible to me. Whenever she's made hasty decision it's been a more or less understandable one for her to make, and if Bigby disobeys her without explaining why then there's no reason for her not to feel angry. And again, she hasn't done anything about it. She's just a little pissed at you, which makes sense.
She's also criticizing my work all the time, but that's mostly because Bigby is terrible at communication, not because she refuses to understand him. Same reason the hero is always framed successfully in fiction, it's because he always just stands there like a moron and looks guilty, spouting token denials instead of thinking about how to explain the truth so it actually sounds plausible. I know that my Bigby did the right thing for the right reasons, though, and doesn't need her to reinforce the idea by congratulating him for it.
I have a habit of having pride in my work and opinions, But that doesn't contradict respecting others as well. And i have a habit of just sa… moreying "Screw it" when I'm in a bad mood. I just don't have the social energy to do so.
Yes, I can blame her. If you're a leader of a military team, The rest of the team needs to fell that you understand them in order to get along, Even psychologically, in order to create the best results. She's become all about work, And that also is jeopardizing her talent of being a leader.
Well, That's the only opportunity that i found her to be a flexible leader. Maybe Jack isn't how i see him, But I'm speaking of a general principle, Not a certain person. You have to be open to crossing the line if necessary.
Yeah, I think so. I don't mean to change her, I mean for once, She can understand what I do. maybe that didn't happen to you, But she's nearly always criticizing my work.
We don't really have opposite opinions, It's just that our opinions weren't well-explained.
Respect is shown through simple treatment. Like how you react when you say a certain person and so on, I get the feeling she doesn't even want me there. Yes, not in the middle of combat. But if you don't gain their trust and respect before, You and your entire team won't be in harmony and a lot of people will die including main team members.
I didn't think Crane was the killer either, It's smart of her as she's clearly talented, But she needs to know how to be a team player.
Above all people, She should be the one who really understand Bigby and tries to tell him what his mistakes are to fix them. She did it before earlier in the game and I listened to her. Now I don't, It's clear why. I can excuse her for her behavior but it's not okay, I'm not just gonna act like everything is normal. She's treating me like How Crane was treating her.
Yes, I can see that. I'm still not quite sure why it's any of my business.
Military officers don't stop their troops in the middle of a f… moreirefight to make sure they're all feeling properly appreciated. It's simply not the time or place. In the same sense, when Fabletown is suddenly on the brink of complete anarchy after two murders and a declaration of war on the government in as many days, you can't possibly expect her to halt all efforts when both she and Bigby are busy as hell and every second counts to tell him "Good job!" and distract him with her winning smile. The situation is just too desperate, there's no time to waste on fooling around with polite platitudes, and Bigby isn't one to walk away butt-hurt because she didn't say thank you when the entire community is at stake.
What about when she decided not to prosecute Crane as a killer even though the evidence technically pointed at him? That sounds flexible to me. Whenever she's… [view original content]
Fabletown is in a near-constant state of bankruptcy, they can't afford to "improve" the farm just like that, and the glamour prices are high because there is only a finite amount of witches with a finite amount of magical components to cast them with. The reason they're so expensive is specifically so that only so many people will be able to afford it, because there is only so much magic to go around in the first place and the government needs all the revenue it can get just to stay afloat.
"Work it out somehow" isn't a solution, and "when someone comes asking for help, be straight with them" is exactly what Snow is planning on doing now that Crane isn't there to corrupt the process anymore.
Either by improving the farm or by working on lowering the Glamour prices. When someone comes asking for help, Be straight with them. If the… morey really can't afford the Glamour, Work it out by somehow depends on the situation. That's why i intimidated Toad and Colin before, To see whether they really can't afford it, Or they just don't want to waste their money. That's how and why By-the-book behavior makes the community hates you.
I kept my comment vague because I'm not aware of the full situation in the full frame. I surely would have come with a plan if I'm seeing a certain circumstance in front of me. Everything changes from one situation to another. As a temporary solution to satisfy you, I'd have requested a representative of the complaining fables and then discuss a solution with them.
Be straight is different than being intolerant. Straight is saying the truth, Like we do or do not have the money to get you a Glamour, With a sense of being caring in order not to cause a revolution. Which has already happened in the comics.
Verdict: Can't really workout a solution unless I'm given entitled details about the circumstance.
Fabletown is in a near-constant state of bankruptcy, they can't afford to "improve" the farm just like that, and the glamour prices are high… more because there is only a finite amount of witches with a finite amount of magical components to cast them with. The reason they're so expensive is specifically so that only so many people will be able to afford it, because there is only so much magic to go around in the first place and the government needs all the revenue it can get just to stay afloat.
"Work it out somehow" isn't a solution, and "when someone comes asking for help, be straight with them" is exactly what Snow is planning on doing now that Crane isn't there to corrupt the process anymore.
Like hell it is. In that case soldiers are expected to keep their heads and act appropriately regardless of their personal feelings, or they're either killed in battle or court-marshaled for disobedience. That's called discipline. It's what people use in a crisis to make things work when there isn't time or resources to consider everyone's feelings all the time.
It's also flexible of her, as she went with her gut instead of the rules because it made sense to her.
She is in fact the one who best understands him, but that doesn't mean that she understands him completely, top to bottom, much less that she can read his mind when he won't speak up. Seriously, you're completely ignoring the fact that Bigby doesn't explain himself properly when he has a reason for disobeying her. Crane kept shutting her down because he didn't want to listen to reason, Snow is angry because Bigby refuses to talk straight with her OR follow her orders There's no comparison. It's not her fault, it's Bigby's.
Respect is shown through simple treatment. Like how you react when you say a certain person and so on, I get the feeling she doesn't even wa… morent me there. Yes, not in the middle of combat. But if you don't gain their trust and respect before, You and your entire team won't be in harmony and a lot of people will die including main team members.
I didn't think Crane was the killer either, It's smart of her as she's clearly talented, But she needs to know how to be a team player.
Above all people, She should be the one who really understand Bigby and tries to tell him what his mistakes are to fix them. She did it before earlier in the game and I listened to her. Now I don't, It's clear why. I can excuse her for her behavior but it's not okay, I'm not just gonna act like everything is normal. She's treating me like How Crane was treating her.
So you realize that you have no idea about the specifics, or even the general internal workings of Fabletown, but you believe that you could do a better job than Snow by inviting a representative and "discuss a solution"?
In conclusion, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but feel that a little extra democracy and vague intentions about "discussing a solution" and "doing something about the glamours" will somehow solve everyone's problems, and that Snow must be an intolerant tyrant for not having seen this?
I kept my comment vague because I'm not aware of the full situation in the full frame. I surely would have come with a plan if I'm seeing a … morecertain circumstance in front of me. Everything changes from one situation to another. As a temporary solution to satisfy you, I'd have requested a representative of the complaining fables and then discuss a solution with them.
Be straight is different than being intolerant. Straight is saying the truth, Like we do or do not have the money to get you a Glamour, With a sense of being caring in order not to cause a revolution. Which has already happened in the comics.
Verdict: Can't really workout a solution unless I'm given entitled details about the circumstance.
Mistakes or not, and I'm not saying your posts are hard to read by any means (they're fine), I think anyone that writes/types on an Ipad deserves props. They can be rather finicky in my experience, though I'm basing that on my android tablet.
Same deal with phones really. I remember when I spent 30 minutes typing up a text message (complete with text speak as I don't get it) and I then proceeded to lose it. So I had to re-do it all over. Was mildly annoying.
I only finished the first one. I believe Colin is right and Bigby can't be put on a leash but another thing you might not have gotten that's… more explored more in the book is that Bigby worked really hard to become part of the community and Snow has had to vouch for him. being the Big Bad Wolf he has a hideous reputation and people are scared of him, so things like what he did to Tweedle Dee sets him back. as Sheriff he needs to have the citizens trust and I think that's what Sbow is most afraid of. If he can't do his job, it makes hers harder.
I hope you e been getting what I'm trying to say. The autocorrect on my IPad makes me sound like a damn fool.
I kept my comment vague because I'm not aware of the full situation in the full frame. I surely would have come with a plan if I'm seeing a … morecertain circumstance in front of me. Everything changes from one situation to another. As a temporary solution to satisfy you, I'd have requested a representative of the complaining fables and then discuss a solution with them.
Be straight is different than being intolerant. Straight is saying the truth, Like we do or do not have the money to get you a Glamour, With a sense of being caring in order not to cause a revolution. Which has already happened in the comics.
Verdict: Can't really workout a solution unless I'm given entitled details about the circumstance.
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Well, If she's like that, My opinion of her might change. Sometimes you have to go off the book in order to succeed. You've ever played Mass Effect? Mass Effect has an elite task called "Spectres", They operate without any law restrictions to get the job done. But they're carefully picked in order to prevent any harm. I believe in that to the core. Some guys need to have their space in order to get the job done. You may disagree with me.
She gets better in the comics. After a while..
Sigh of Relief Well, that's good. Thank you for reviving my hopes.
I only finished the first one. I believe Colin is right and Bigby can't be put on a leash but another thing you might not have gotten that's explored more in the book is that Bigby worked really hard to become part of the community and Snow has had to vouch for him. being the Big Bad Wolf he has a hideous reputation and people are scared of him, so things like what he did to Tweedle Dee sets him back. as Sheriff he needs to have the citizens trust and I think that's what Sbow is most afraid of. If he can't do his job, it makes hers harder.
I hope you e been getting what I'm trying to say. The autocorrect on my IPad makes me sound like a damn fool.
That's pathetic man. His arguments are too good for you to respond to is what it looks to me.
No, it's okay.
I don't really care about auto-correct as long as you're making some valid points. And that you're doing very well. Yeah, I haven't read the books. And I think you're kinda right. But still, I need my space, I can't operate like that. Maybe that's what I'm saying, That she'll get better in Ep5? Well, We'll see when it comes out.
Well, I'll quote some of the things he has said in order to make my point.
And just read the whole first comment. It's not about what he's saying, It's about how he's saying it.
Yeah, under the spell Bigby fucks her and they have wolf-human babies.
Alright, I won't engage in "my type of talking", then. I'll just point out what I see as flaws in your logic as objectively as possible, and you can defend them if you so see fit.
"She never appreciates any of the work you do," I don't see why she particularly has to. It's your job, she's under a lot of pressure herself and the situation is just too dire for her to worry about Bigby's ego in the middle of everything. I'm sure she does appreciate the actual work, but I think she can be forgiven for not remembering to say so out loud at every opportunity under the circumstances.
"She keeps bossing you around, And she doesn't care whether I'm worried about her or not. The only occasion where i felt she worries a bit was when Bigby got beaten by Bloody Mary." Again, she's the boss, it's Bigby's job, we're in the middle of a huge crisis that requires decisive action and we're all the help she has. I think she can also be forgiven for expecting Bigby to do as she says when she needs his assistance. I'm also sure she does care that he worries about her, but that's just not nearly as important as what Fabletown is going through, and it isn't helpful if it prevents her from doing her own job.
"Doing things by the book hurts the community in those particular situations. She spoke that people couldn't find help because of that exact same system, So why follow it? Why not change it? The Government needs someone who's like Jack in order to please everyone. In these hard times, You need to get your hands dirty, No other alternatives."
You really should be more specific about these things. Which particular situations? How would someone like Jack being in charge please everyone, and why is that a priority? Why do you need to get your hands dirty? Like I said though, the root of the problem in Fabletown is Crane's sloppiness, favoritism and dismissal of the lower class, which is in fact what she says in Episode 1, even if she blames herself for not being in a position to change it, and now that she's in charge, she's obviously trying to turn that around and start fresh.
"Besides, She thinks now that she's the boss. She thinks that no one should disobey her because they think she might have done the wrong call."
Why shouldn't she? If she thinks she made the right call to protect the community and somebody who works for her disobeys her because they disagree, obviously she's going to be upset. She has to make it clear to the average fable that she's in charge now to keep Fabletown running, and Bigby blatantly undermining her authority doesn't help with that, even if he's right and she's wrong in particular cases.
Notice that she doesn't punish you if you go against her judgement, she's just mildly pissed. It's quite simply a case of her having to deal with a subordinate who isn't strictly a yes-man, and Bigby having to learn to take orders from his boss and only bend them if he genuinely knows something she doesn't and there isn't time to discuss it, which has been the case thus far.
She was too offended by the glamour of herself to be rational about Greenleaf, and she didn't know that Bigby had totaled Toad's car and wall in the pursuit of duty, and that Fabletown owed him that money. In both cases, disobeying her furthers Fabletown's credibility with all fables, which is her own overall goal. I could never think of a defensible reason to let Colin stay, though, so I don't know how she reacts if you go against her on that.
Ideally, you should be able to take her aside and hash stuff like this out if you think you know better before any decisions are made, but there isn't always time for that, and if you feel that whatever cause you champion justifies undermining her a little then that's entirely your choice. But since she's the one you're undermining it'd be unreasonable to expect her to be happy about it, even if you're right.
She's a little hasty sometimes, that's true, partially due to stress and partially due to lack of information given the bigger crisis, but her actual goals make sense, and you're in a position to help her with them whether she likes it or not at any given time. You can't blame her for being angry when you disobey her until things calm down and you can talk about it sensibly, though.
That wasn't so hard, Was it? Now, I can talk. I'm having a bad day and i didn't want to get in a fight. I hope you understand.
Well, A good job or a sign of appreciation won't be bad. I don't want her to kiss my ass, I just want to feel like I'm doing something.
If you are a leader, And you can't accept criticism, You're a tyrant. That's how i see it. So, As a politician and a mayor, She must be open to criticism.
What i meant about Jack, When you meet Jack stealing from Crane's apartment, The by the book attitude would be to imprison him. The open attitude would make a deal with him to get what you want and let him go. This is an example of being dirty, It has to be done, We need someone as open as Jack in order to get what we want in a war.
I wanted to talk to her about everything but the game doesn't give a chance. And I wish she can change a bit in the next episode.
Also, About Colin, Instead of just deporting them to the shithole farm, Do something about the Glamour. Make them feel as if the government actually cares.
Don't be smug, it's petty. If you don't want to fight then argue.
You are. She'd be in deep trouble without you and she knows it. Does she actually have to stop up and verbalize it for you to feel like you're doing something? Nobody's arguing that it wouldn't be nice, but can you really blame her for not doing it?
She does accept criticism, notice that she hasn't ineffectually and pointlessly demanded that Bigby be flayed for his insubordination. What she has a real problem with is him completely overriding and apparently ignoring her orders out of nowhere without proper explanation, and that's perfectly sensible for any leader. That there hasn't been opportunity for Bigby to explain his reasoning in a timely manner isn't her fault, and it doesn't make her a tyrant.
What's your argument, then? Snow notices Jack at Crane's apartment too, and she also lets it go after a quick chat. She's clearly capable of compromising when there are more important things to be worried about. And Jack isn't open, he's just spineless and wants to cut a deal to avoid punishment.
It'd be nice if we got a chance to sit down and talk to her and clear things up in the next episode, yes, but wishing she could change just because she isn't satisfied with you due to circumstances out of her control isn't fair to her character.
I have a habit of having pride in my work and opinions, But that doesn't contradict respecting others as well. And i have a habit of just saying "Screw it" when I'm in a bad mood. I just don't have the social energy to do so.
Yes, I can blame her. If you're a leader of a military team, The rest of the team needs to fell that you understand them in order to get along, Even psychologically, in order to create the best results. She's become all about work, And that also is jeopardizing her talent of being a leader.
Well, That's the only opportunity that i found her to be a flexible leader. Maybe Jack isn't how i see him, But I'm speaking of a general principle, Not a certain person. You have to be open to crossing the line if necessary.
Yeah, I think so. I don't mean to change her, I mean for once, She can understand what I do. maybe that didn't happen to you, But she's nearly always criticizing my work.
We don't really have opposite opinions, It's just that our opinions weren't well-explained.
You didn't read the comics, did you? I thought so.
No, i didn't. I thought that was obvious.
How, for example?
Either by improving the farm or by working on lowering the Glamour prices. When someone comes asking for help, Be straight with them. If they really can't afford the Glamour, Work it out by somehow depends on the situation. That's why i intimidated Toad and Colin before, To see whether they really can't afford it, Or they just don't want to waste their money. That's how and why By-the-book behavior makes the community hates you.
Then you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Ok, troll.
Whatever.
Yes, I can see that. I'm still not quite sure why it's any of my business.
Military officers don't stop their troops in the middle of a firefight to make sure they're all feeling properly appreciated. It's simply not the time or place. In the same sense, when Fabletown is suddenly on the brink of complete anarchy after two murders and a declaration of war on the government in as many days, you can't possibly expect her to halt all efforts when both she and Bigby are busy as hell and every second counts to tell him "Good job!" and distract him with her winning smile. The situation is just too desperate, there's no time to waste on fooling around with polite platitudes, and Bigby isn't one to walk away butt-hurt because she didn't say thank you when the entire community is at stake.
What about when she decided not to prosecute Crane as a killer even though the evidence technically pointed at him? That sounds flexible to me. Whenever she's made hasty decision it's been a more or less understandable one for her to make, and if Bigby disobeys her without explaining why then there's no reason for her not to feel angry. And again, she hasn't done anything about it. She's just a little pissed at you, which makes sense.
She's also criticizing my work all the time, but that's mostly because Bigby is terrible at communication, not because she refuses to understand him. Same reason the hero is always framed successfully in fiction, it's because he always just stands there like a moron and looks guilty, spouting token denials instead of thinking about how to explain the truth so it actually sounds plausible. I know that my Bigby did the right thing for the right reasons, though, and doesn't need her to reinforce the idea by congratulating him for it.
Respect is shown through simple treatment. Like how you react when you say a certain person and so on, I get the feeling she doesn't even want me there. Yes, not in the middle of combat. But if you don't gain their trust and respect before, You and your entire team won't be in harmony and a lot of people will die including main team members.
I didn't think Crane was the killer either, It's smart of her as she's clearly talented, But she needs to know how to be a team player.
Above all people, She should be the one who really understand Bigby and tries to tell him what his mistakes are to fix them. She did it before earlier in the game and I listened to her. Now I don't, It's clear why. I can excuse her for her behavior but it's not okay, I'm not just gonna act like everything is normal. She's treating me like How Crane was treating her.
Fabletown is in a near-constant state of bankruptcy, they can't afford to "improve" the farm just like that, and the glamour prices are high because there is only a finite amount of witches with a finite amount of magical components to cast them with. The reason they're so expensive is specifically so that only so many people will be able to afford it, because there is only so much magic to go around in the first place and the government needs all the revenue it can get just to stay afloat.
"Work it out somehow" isn't a solution, and "when someone comes asking for help, be straight with them" is exactly what Snow is planning on doing now that Crane isn't there to corrupt the process anymore.
I kept my comment vague because I'm not aware of the full situation in the full frame. I surely would have come with a plan if I'm seeing a certain circumstance in front of me. Everything changes from one situation to another. As a temporary solution to satisfy you, I'd have requested a representative of the complaining fables and then discuss a solution with them.
Be straight is different than being intolerant. Straight is saying the truth, Like we do or do not have the money to get you a Glamour, With a sense of being caring in order not to cause a revolution. Which has already happened in the comics.
Verdict: Can't really workout a solution unless I'm given entitled details about the circumstance.
Like hell it is. In that case soldiers are expected to keep their heads and act appropriately regardless of their personal feelings, or they're either killed in battle or court-marshaled for disobedience. That's called discipline. It's what people use in a crisis to make things work when there isn't time or resources to consider everyone's feelings all the time.
It's also flexible of her, as she went with her gut instead of the rules because it made sense to her.
She is in fact the one who best understands him, but that doesn't mean that she understands him completely, top to bottom, much less that she can read his mind when he won't speak up. Seriously, you're completely ignoring the fact that Bigby doesn't explain himself properly when he has a reason for disobeying her. Crane kept shutting her down because he didn't want to listen to reason, Snow is angry because Bigby refuses to talk straight with her OR follow her orders There's no comparison. It's not her fault, it's Bigby's.
So you realize that you have no idea about the specifics, or even the general internal workings of Fabletown, but you believe that you could do a better job than Snow by inviting a representative and "discuss a solution"?
In conclusion, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but feel that a little extra democracy and vague intentions about "discussing a solution" and "doing something about the glamours" will somehow solve everyone's problems, and that Snow must be an intolerant tyrant for not having seen this?
Mistakes or not, and I'm not saying your posts are hard to read by any means (they're fine), I think anyone that writes/types on an Ipad deserves props.
They can be rather finicky in my experience, though I'm basing that on my android tablet.
Same deal with phones really. I remember when I spent 30 minutes typing up a text message (complete with text speak as I don't get it) and I then proceeded to lose it. So I had to re-do it all over. Was mildly annoying.
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Ruined thread, personal insults abound...
You're still aware that you're talking about fictional stuff here, aren't you?
Better luck next time.