Knowing the Fable Comics method of 'telling the story', and if the game seasons are somewhat similar, it probably ended.
Although, If you all remember, Dr. Swineheart never mentioned Faith again.
Although he is not a sweet kind of character in the fable comics, he his loyal to fabletown and never too secretive about that kind of stuff.
Then again It could have been an missing explanation by mistake or, could be mentioned as a minor detail in the later seasons, if it follows the way the comic book pesents it's stories.
Regardless of the 'Nerissa/Faith alive or dead at the end and how' question, I guess the story is well told, they've grabbed an excelent character, Faith for the plot (excelent play on words if you're talking about believing classic talles characters that live in the present day society) and an excelent duo to be presenting Fabletown and it's inhabitants.
I started to read Fable Comics after the 1st or 2nd episode, and kept doing it even after the later ones. I can say that it captured perfectly Fabletown and of course, I would like to see more (for instance, jack is one of the characters that makes inumerous (failed and stupid) schemes to make money in many stories, why a so distant story part?)
I was thinking and I agree with the theory that Nerissa glamured herself to Faith but was it really necessary? Like did she know the Georgie is about to kill Faith? Or why did she do that? Please somebody explain it to me!!
The photo with Faith and Nerissa was taken before Faith goes to the Woodsman: she deosn't have bruises on her arms.
In ep.2 you found a note from Lily: "Faith, thank you for covering me tonight, can we meet before you go to the apartment?"; in ep.5 Nerissa says at the end that she went to the appointment but Lily didn't show up. Why does NERISSA went to the appointment? It's because she finds the message forcing the jewel boxes (and why she had to) or because she's Faith?
Jack in ep.3 steals jewelry and silvers, along with glamours, from Crane, and put them in a bag. It's the same bag Nerissa have at the end of ep.5. Did she commissioned the theft to have money to escape to a new life?
If the head was Faith's, it contradicts with the Magic Mirror not being able to show Faith's whereabouts due to the "these lips are sealed" ribbon spell (which should wear off after being taken off the head).
Faith and Nerissa wear the same purse.
Bigby picks the tarot card and says… "I hope you find what you are looking for" which is also the last thing he hears "Nerissa" says to him at the end of episode 5.
The pictures appearing to be taken from a car, probably from the ginger guy.
Glamour doesn't wear off. It's deactivated, as shown twice in the game with Snow/Lily and Rachel/Greenleaf. And for people saying that there's no correlation between opening the glamour and the glamour's effect stopping because there was a delay with when Bigby deactivated Lily's glamour then it was most likely because that specific glamour was faulty. It was established that Lily's glamour was a cheap and faulty one, so that explains the delay of the transformation. Now in Greenleafs case, her glamour transformed her instantly because she personally worked hard on that one seeing as it was for her own safety and protection.
I think that's the simplest and most "accurate" hypothesis. Nerissa-as-being-Faith (thus, Faith being alive because Nerissa was killed inste… moread because she was thought to be Faith by Georgie) is simply refuted by the Glamour wearing off after the its wearer's death. It MIGHT still be possible if it takes a while and nobody would notice the head to be turned into Nerissa. But, due to balance of probabilities that seems unlikely.
So Nerissa glamoured as Faith to get to know Bigby (because, you know, otherwise they "suffer in silence"), glamoured back and put the head of the long-being dead real Faith at the stairs.
Faiths motive for being Nerissa is that she didn't want to take the fall for Nerissa's confession. At the end of episode 5 I think Nerissa(who in this theory is Faith) is telling the truth other than lying about her identity. She put the real Nerissa's head(which was glamoured as Faith's) on the doorstep to truly get help since her plan to escape the Pudding N Pie failed. She wanted to take down the Crooked Man because she thought that was the only way to become free. I don't think her or any of the girls knew that their true freedom could only be obtained through Vivian's death. Which is why Faith fabricated the plan to bring down Crane which was one of Crooked Man's allies. Faith could of asked Nerissa to fill in for her one night which explains why Nerissa would be glamoured as her. Then when Nerissa (glamoured as Faith) comes back she is met by Georgie and gets killed. I'm pretty sure Faith stays glamoured as Nerissa to play it safe and also because she doesn't want to be questioned by Bigby.
In any case, the Nerissa as Faith theory is rock solid. It explains everything, has a plausible motive, and no holes other than that final f… morelashback sequence. Meanwhile, the Faith as Nerissa theory has no motive (why would Faith need to hide once the Crooked Man was taken care of?), and doesn't make sense (why would Nerissa be glamoured as Faith? It would have to be done before she died since Georgie thought he was killing Faith). It's just lazy writing to leave us with a mystery that has no motive and requires additional information to make sense of and I refuse to believe that's what Telltale has done. Maybe Nerissa as Faith is wrong, but I think Telltale has given us all the pieces we need to get the correct answer.
I was just looking at that final transcript, and you're right that it implies that Faith is still alive. Here's my explanation. We're basically hearing Bigby's thoughts and recollections. By the end of the episode, Bigby def… [view original content]
No, you're not. People have noticed it before, I have also made a post about the similarities somewhere on this forum, but I don't think it's worth looking too hard into it. It's just the similarity in gesture and sentence, nothing more.
But we know it for a fact that it was Lily who asked Faith to cover for her that night.
The problem is, that these episodes were coming out in intervals of time between them, so we all forgot about some of those small details. If you replay entire game from the start I think that some pieces you overlooked will fit in your head and you'll see that every evidence provided in game says that it was Faith in the beginning.
I believe we all should replay the full game now that we have all the episodes, every single one of us have probably missed something.
Thats exactly what im saying. I still say that when "faith" met bigby,it was already narissa and Faith was dead. Theres a point in narissa a… morend bigbys last convo where she tells him she tried to warn lilly,but she wasnt at her regular appointment. Now u go back to the beginning,woody was complaining that it wasnt supposed to be faith who showed up. So i think that then was narissa as faith trying to warn lilly who was supposed to be with the woodsman.
Good points all round. Just a point that's been raised a lot re: the Mirror saying 'these lips are sealed' - I think if you interrogate Woody instead of the Tweedle, he drops Lily's name, so you get to ask the mirror for Lily's location even before examining the body. I believe the mirror says the same thing, though I'll need to replay it to check. So it seems the 'lips are sealed' spell works even on Lily after she's dead and without the ribbon around her neck (it's not on her body). So the mirror's response doesn't help either Faith / Nerissa theory.
Things to say that can help to solve the mistery:
* The photo with Faith and Nerissa was taken before Faith goes to the Woodsman: she d… moreeosn't have bruises on her arms.
* In ep.2 you found a note from Lily: "Faith, thank you for covering me tonight, can we meet before you go to the apartment?"; in ep.5 Nerissa says at the end that she went to the appointment but Lily didn't show up. Why does NERISSA went to the appointment? It's because she finds the message forcing the jewel boxes (and why she had to) or because she's Faith?
* Jack in ep.3 steals jewelry and silvers, along with glamours, from Crane, and put them in a bag. It's the same bag Nerissa have at the end of ep.5. Did she commissioned the theft to have money to escape to a new life?
* If the head was Faith's, it contradicts with the Magic Mirror not being able to show Faith's whereabouts due to the "these lips are sealed" ribbon spell (which should wear off after being t… [view original content]
Things to say that can help to solve the mistery:
* The photo with Faith and Nerissa was taken before Faith goes to the Woodsman: she d… moreeosn't have bruises on her arms.
* In ep.2 you found a note from Lily: "Faith, thank you for covering me tonight, can we meet before you go to the apartment?"; in ep.5 Nerissa says at the end that she went to the appointment but Lily didn't show up. Why does NERISSA went to the appointment? It's because she finds the message forcing the jewel boxes (and why she had to) or because she's Faith?
* Jack in ep.3 steals jewelry and silvers, along with glamours, from Crane, and put them in a bag. It's the same bag Nerissa have at the end of ep.5. Did she commissioned the theft to have money to escape to a new life?
* If the head was Faith's, it contradicts with the Magic Mirror not being able to show Faith's whereabouts due to the "these lips are sealed" ribbon spell (which should wear off after being t… [view original content]
The bottom left photo appears to be Bigby just after his escapade in the Lucky Pawn (Episode 4). It is most likely taken at the time he is speaking with the Woodsman. This is just moments before the Gingerman picks up Bigby in his taxi (although Bigby had already tossed his cigarette just before he pulls up). Although the evidence is imperfect I still think it raises the credibility that it was the Gingerman who took the photos.
I don't think it was Woody taking the photos even though we can now clearly put him at two of the scenes.
EDIT I took a closer look at some of the photos and was struck by the one found within the incriminating image of Crane. The curve in the upper left is matched with another curve in the lower right. This suggests to me this was something other than a car window (perhaps concealed).
Reinforcing the fact that it wasn’t the cabs windows is the fact that those windows appear rectangle and not curved.
I hope that he is the photographer (that question has been burning in my mind) but I haven’t convince myself yet.
I agree with your comme… morents of the pictures appearing to be taken from a car. However, after the scene where Faith kisses Bigby (one of the photos taken) Bigby pans around looking up and down the length of the street. There is no taxi cab I can see, just Toad’s car and a yellow car parked that are parked on the street. Nor did I hear a car pull away during that interval.
I hope someone can clear this up for me. Thanks.
lol Rizefall, Lilly's glamour didn't disappear... It became ineffective when you, as Bigby, opened it... it is possible for them to run out,… more but this is not applicable in Lilly's case or another example is Auntie Greenleaf's glamour tube. She was a little child and tried to stop you (Bigby) from opening it, and when you did, she turned into her true self.
No it wouldn't. If you take the Woodsman in you get the chance to ask about Lily to the Magic Mirror. Guess what the mirror says? "These lips are sealed." And we all know Lily's dead. Where's your evidence when there is none.
lol at least you're honest. But the things you stated are exactly why I thought Faith wasn't all bad in her intentions, at least I don't think she wanted her to get killed. Take punishment for ratting them out; yes. Die; no. But it is because of the passion in the episodes and drive that she displayed,especially in the trial, that I really felt she had cared about her and just wanted revenge for her friend and to free her own guilty conscious for letting that happen... but who knows? Both evil and good intentions can be argued lol it's just which one I guess the player chooses to believe. ;p
I might be cynical, but it was my initial thought that Faith deliberately played Nerissa and set her up to get killed for her betrayal. I ho… morenestly don't want to see it that way, but it is the thought that I simply can't kick out of my head.
On a purely rational level I equally believe in that possibility which you have mentioned, that Nerissa got killed before Faith had time to react and that she felt remorse afterward. That would actually explain her angry reaction to Crooked Man when he can't remember Nerissa's name, as if she wants for Nerissa to stay remembered now that she's dead, even though she was just a nameless, unimportant prostitute for most people in life.
Still, emotionally, I strongly feel that Faith set her up to avoid losing her own head and punish her for betraying her and Lily. I usually do have difficult time when trying to find genuinely good intentions and innocence in people, so I might be biased here.
I'd like to think that it happened this way. That way there's no sense of lack of any real accomplishment that would otherwise be present at the end if she really was a somewhat wicked person who played everybody around out of spite and to achieve her goals. I'll start convincing myself that this is how it must have happened right away.
lol at least you're honest. But the things you stated are exactly why I thought Faith wasn't all bad in her intentions, at least I don't thi… morenk she wanted her to get killed. Take punishment for ratting them out; yes. Die; no. But it is because of the passion in the episodes and drive that she displayed,especially in the trial, that I really felt she had cared about her and just wanted revenge for her friend and to free her own guilty conscious for letting that happen... but who knows? Both evil and good intentions can be argued lol it's just which one I guess the player chooses to believe. ;p
I don't think so. There is one thing that pretty much confirms that it was Faith and not Nerissa in the end. When Bigby started to put it to… moregether and got flashbacks of Faiths and Nerissas dialogues there is also dialogue told by Bufkin saying: "would hide her beauty so she could escape his kingdom", which refers to Faiths fable story. If it wasn't Faith, why would that line be there?
No it wouldn't. If you take the Woodsman in you get the chance to ask about Lily to the Magic Mirror. Guess what the mirror says? "These lips are sealed." And we all know Lily's dead. Where's your evidence when there is none.
But why would they have Faith and Bloody Mary both make the same gesture and farewell unless it had some kind of relevance? They could just as easily had them do entirely different things. There is also no denying Faith's axe skills.
No, you're not. People have noticed it before, I have also made a post about the similarities somewhere on this forum, but I don't think it's worth looking too hard into it. It's just the similarity in gesture and sentence, nothing more.
OK, I'm still confused about how Lily's death fits into all this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Georgie killed both Lily and Faith/Nerissa(depending on which theory you believe) right?
If Georgie killed Lily in the Open Arms Hotel, he wouldn't leave her then glamoured as Snow head on Bigby's doorstep. That would mean
Faith/Nerissa put both "Faiths"? and Lily's glamoured heads at Bigby's step? She never admitted to that in the final conversation. If she did put
Lily's head there, how'd she get her hands on it? It's kinda confirmed that Georgie and Jersey were the one's disposing of Lily's body.(TJ's
testimony in ep.2 says he heard "stop laughing at me" reoccurs in ep.4) I think the real question I'm asking is; how did Lily's head and body end up in two different places? Did Faith/Nerissa somehow get her hands on Lily's head before Georgie and Jersey disposed of the body?
It's mentioned several times in-game (and in the Book of Fables) that the princess used the Donkeyskin to escape by hiding in plain sight. Being glamoured as Nerissa lets her do exactly the same thing albeit in a different skin. It's her specialty.
Here are some unanswered questions:
1) Why would Nerissa be glamoured as Faith? It could be anything really. Faith could have have asked Nerissa to cover one of her shifts. This would set her up to take the fall since she was the one that ratted the others out to Georgie. (Nobody said Faith was innocent in all this.) Pure speculation of course.
2) The biggest hole with this theory is the head. The assumption is that the real Faith was beat up before Bigby's encounter with Woody. This doesn't explain how the glamoured head received the same bruises and busted lip as Faith. Of course, since this is a Fables story, I guess the answer could always just be "magic"
In the fairy tale, Lawrence sees her for her real self even through the disguise. He would probably notice Faith glamoured as Nerissa. Besid… morees, why would Faith leave Lawrence for no real reason and see him again at the end without so much as flinching. Nerissa didn't even seem to notice Lawrence. The story just doesn't make sense if it's Faith glamoured as Nerissa.
Hmm, if Faith was glamoured as Nerissa, why was no thingy found on Faith's body? The same thing found in Lily's body. That when solved and removed, she turned back to who she really was. A troll.
Bigby said the blood at the crime scene was about an hour old, not the head. The blood was revealed to be from the person that hopped the fence, not from the head itself.
One thing that i remembered when putting my theory down was that bigby said that Faith's head went through an hour of rigamortis (or somethi… moreng close to it) so that how I figured out when the fight with Georgy, Nerissa and her took place... A lot of people forget that detail but I feel like it's very important in trying to put in the missing pieces of the story...
It's not proven that the girl died after the first scene of the game. Where are you getting that? The blood? That wasn't from the head, but from the person who tried to leave it there (in my opinion, Nerissa)
Also, Nerissa's speach at the end had to do with finding justice for the unfortunates that didn't have a voice. In the context of the greater Fabletown society, it was social commentary, but it was also quite literal for Nerissa and the other girls, who couldn't speak for themselves.
Also, story wise, Nerissa pretending to be Faith who's already dead in the beginning clears up the coincidental convenience of Bigsby just happening to run into the first victim.
Well if that's the case, just Bigby's wishful thinking then Telltale pulled pretty lame thing on us. And I would call Nerissa as Faith theor… morey anything but rock solid, but I don't really care about it that much anymore to argue and defend my convictions in detail.
I'll just say that it has been proven that "Faith" - the girl whose head we find was killed after Bigby's encounter with Faith at Woodsmans apartment, so she haven't been killed before episode even started as that theory about it being Nerissa suggests. Faith was definitely alive at that point and Lily's note thanked Faith, not Nerissa for covering that shift at Woodsman for her. This seems pretty solid to me. Besides whole fable story of Faith regards the fact that she hides her identity and escapes.
I agree with Cthu... Him and I had almost the same theory and while the intentions of why Faith glamoured as Nerissa can be argued as good o… morer evil, there is no doubt that Faith is Nerissa at the end of the game... I just used that evidence to work backwards in the mystery; you know where it ends, so work yourself back to the beginning. And I feel that TellTale would make it this way on purpose. Not only to ignite replay value, but to leave players with an underlying mystery that they thought wasn't even there in the 1st playthrough... check out my theory on the 3rd page, it might convince you guys of this theory, or not lol but it's worth a look... If any questions come up toward it, I'll answer them asap lol
What difference does it makes if wears off or is deactivated? Isn't the result –the person not being glamoured anymore– not the same? And if Swineheart does runs some tests, shouldn't he finished by the time of Episode 5? I mean, if there IS something about the head, let's say the glamour is being "deactivated" atfer a while, Swineheart would have informed Bigby, wouldn't he?
Glamour doesn't wear off. It's deactivated, as shown twice in the game with Snow/Lily and Rachel/Greenleaf. And for people saying that there… more's no correlation between opening the glamour and the glamour's effect stopping because there was a delay with when Bigby deactivated Lily's glamour then it was most likely because that specific glamour was faulty. It was established that Lily's glamour was a cheap and faulty one, so that explains the delay of the transformation. Now in Greenleafs case, her glamour transformed her instantly because she personally worked hard on that one seeing as it was for her own safety and protection.
Very good analysis, but there's one thing I would like to point to. The note from Lilly to Faith does not mention the fact that it's about the Woodsman shift. It's very probable, but there's also one more explanation. Faith stole the photo from Crane, that much seems certain. And since Crane was Lilly's regular the note to Faith might have referred to that particular cover up during which Faith stole the photo. Now, let's assume that it was Nerissa who got frightened and told Georgie about the theft committed by Faith. Faith might have been informed about it, so she manipulated remorseful and shamed Nerissa into posing for her and taking the punishment. The only thing that seems like a weakness in this theory is the final conversation. Why would Faith be acting like she was sincerely guilty of things she has not done (namely, revealing to Georgie the thing about the stolen photo)? Only to let him know the truth about Nerissa? It does not seem like a believable motivation to me.
Nothing more?
Yeah, it's nothing that Nerissa's Fable Entry says how each of her steps is feeling like walking on Shards of Glass.But don't let that bother you either.That's also just "nothing".
No, you're not. People have noticed it before, I have also made a post about the similarities somewhere on this forum, but I don't think it's worth looking too hard into it. It's just the similarity in gesture and sentence, nothing more.
Hmm, if Faith was glamoured as Nerissa, why was no thingy found on Faith's body? The same thing found in Lily's body. That when solved and removed, she turned back to who she really was. A troll.
Why I believe Nerissa has been glamoured as Faith from the very start (meaning from meeting her with the Woodsman): There is one key piece of dialogue after she axes the Woodsman in the street. If you decide to give her money and then ask her to drop by your office to give a report, she says she will swing by your apartment instead. She then says "I need to drop off... what I have." Note, there is a pause between the dialogue. If you don't think about it that much it seems as if she is just talking about the money you gave her. But if you replay episode 1 after finishing episode 5, you'll realize that it may have meant dropping off the head of Faith (the real Faith). It's just a theory, but this is the biggest clue I've encountered that supports the Theory that Nerissa has been glamoured as Faith the whole time all along.
Elaborate your point please. You are saying that Nerissa, Faith and Bloody Mary are the same person? You people really love your crazy theories. And while I usually also like them, too much is too much.
Nothing more?
Yeah, it's nothing that Nerissa's Fable Entry says how each of her steps is feeling like walking on Shards of Glass.But don't let that bother you either.That's also just "nothing".
As the example of Lilly shows, glamours wear off after the glamoured person gets killed. Faith couldn't have glamoured Nerissas head as her … moreown to switch! Yes it's not reported what happens to the head afterwards and the glamour only wears off after some time but don't you think someone would have noticed a head switching to a completly different person? And if not it would be a very loose end of storytelling..."and the head disappeared and everything worked out...somehow!"
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That was actually Faith's (at least in faith's voice) last thing she says to BB from episode 1 who said that.
Knowing the Fable Comics method of 'telling the story', and if the game seasons are somewhat similar, it probably ended.
Although, If you all remember, Dr. Swineheart never mentioned Faith again.
Although he is not a sweet kind of character in the fable comics, he his loyal to fabletown and never too secretive about that kind of stuff.
Then again It could have been an missing explanation by mistake or, could be mentioned as a minor detail in the later seasons, if it follows the way the comic book pesents it's stories.
Regardless of the 'Nerissa/Faith alive or dead at the end and how' question, I guess the story is well told, they've grabbed an excelent character, Faith for the plot (excelent play on words if you're talking about believing classic talles characters that live in the present day society) and an excelent duo to be presenting Fabletown and it's inhabitants.
I started to read Fable Comics after the 1st or 2nd episode, and kept doing it even after the later ones. I can say that it captured perfectly Fabletown and of course, I would like to see more (for instance, jack is one of the characters that makes inumerous (failed and stupid) schemes to make money in many stories, why a so distant story part?)
In the end and in conclusion, I loved it.
But why was the Crookedman or whoever took the pictures. Spying on those characters?
The ribbon has to be worn for the spell to work. That's why there is a penalty for taking it off.
I was thinking and I agree with the theory that Nerissa glamured herself to Faith but was it really necessary? Like did she know the Georgie is about to kill Faith? Or why did she do that? Please somebody explain it to me!!
Things to say that can help to solve the mistery:
The photo with Faith and Nerissa was taken before Faith goes to the Woodsman: she deosn't have bruises on her arms.
In ep.2 you found a note from Lily: "Faith, thank you for covering me tonight, can we meet before you go to the apartment?"; in ep.5 Nerissa says at the end that she went to the appointment but Lily didn't show up. Why does NERISSA went to the appointment? It's because she finds the message forcing the jewel boxes (and why she had to) or because she's Faith?
Jack in ep.3 steals jewelry and silvers, along with glamours, from Crane, and put them in a bag. It's the same bag Nerissa have at the end of ep.5. Did she commissioned the theft to have money to escape to a new life?
If the head was Faith's, it contradicts with the Magic Mirror not being able to show Faith's whereabouts due to the "these lips are sealed" ribbon spell (which should wear off after being taken off the head).
Faith and Nerissa wear the same purse.
Bigby picks the tarot card and says… "I hope you find what you are looking for" which is also the last thing he hears "Nerissa" says to him at the end of episode 5.
The pictures appearing to be taken from a car, probably from the ginger guy.
Am I the seriously only one realizing that Faith does the exact same Hand Gesture when bidding Farewell as Bloody Mary with the same thing said?
"See you around".
And both being directed at Bigby as well?
Mary seems to like wielding that axe as well, and Faith sure seems to have had no issue driving the exact same axe into Woody's Skull.
Besides, we don't even know if Mary actually did die.Looked like all her other Glass...Clones?
Glamour doesn't wear off. It's deactivated, as shown twice in the game with Snow/Lily and Rachel/Greenleaf. And for people saying that there's no correlation between opening the glamour and the glamour's effect stopping because there was a delay with when Bigby deactivated Lily's glamour then it was most likely because that specific glamour was faulty. It was established that Lily's glamour was a cheap and faulty one, so that explains the delay of the transformation. Now in Greenleafs case, her glamour transformed her instantly because she personally worked hard on that one seeing as it was for her own safety and protection.
Faiths motive for being Nerissa is that she didn't want to take the fall for Nerissa's confession. At the end of episode 5 I think Nerissa(who in this theory is Faith) is telling the truth other than lying about her identity. She put the real Nerissa's head(which was glamoured as Faith's) on the doorstep to truly get help since her plan to escape the Pudding N Pie failed. She wanted to take down the Crooked Man because she thought that was the only way to become free. I don't think her or any of the girls knew that their true freedom could only be obtained through Vivian's death. Which is why Faith fabricated the plan to bring down Crane which was one of Crooked Man's allies. Faith could of asked Nerissa to fill in for her one night which explains why Nerissa would be glamoured as her. Then when Nerissa (glamoured as Faith) comes back she is met by Georgie and gets killed. I'm pretty sure Faith stays glamoured as Nerissa to play it safe and also because she doesn't want to be questioned by Bigby.
man i feel bad for toad.
The ribbon was made from Vivian's ribbon. Anything that spreads like the ribbon's curse can only be removed once the source is removed.
No, you're not. People have noticed it before, I have also made a post about the similarities somewhere on this forum, but I don't think it's worth looking too hard into it. It's just the similarity in gesture and sentence, nothing more.
But we know it for a fact that it was Lily who asked Faith to cover for her that night.
The problem is, that these episodes were coming out in intervals of time between them, so we all forgot about some of those small details. If you replay entire game from the start I think that some pieces you overlooked will fit in your head and you'll see that every evidence provided in game says that it was Faith in the beginning.
I believe we all should replay the full game now that we have all the episodes, every single one of us have probably missed something.
Good points all round. Just a point that's been raised a lot re: the Mirror saying 'these lips are sealed' - I think if you interrogate Woody instead of the Tweedle, he drops Lily's name, so you get to ask the mirror for Lily's location even before examining the body. I believe the mirror says the same thing, though I'll need to replay it to check. So it seems the 'lips are sealed' spell works even on Lily after she's dead and without the ribbon around her neck (it's not on her body). So the mirror's response doesn't help either Faith / Nerissa theory.
You've made mistakes in your last 2 points.
Nerissa says "I hope you find what you're looking for" before Bigby goes to the hotel.
2 pictures are taken inside buildings.
The bottom left photo appears to be Bigby just after his escapade in the Lucky Pawn (Episode 4). It is most likely taken at the time he is speaking with the Woodsman. This is just moments before the Gingerman picks up Bigby in his taxi (although Bigby had already tossed his cigarette just before he pulls up). Although the evidence is imperfect I still think it raises the credibility that it was the Gingerman who took the photos.
I don't think it was Woody taking the photos even though we can now clearly put him at two of the scenes.
EDIT I took a closer look at some of the photos and was struck by the one found within the incriminating image of Crane. The curve in the upper left is matched with another curve in the lower right. This suggests to me this was something other than a car window (perhaps concealed).
Reinforcing the fact that it wasn’t the cabs windows is the fact that those windows appear rectangle and not curved.
What ever the case, rest i said still stands.
Taking off their ribbons still cut their heads off. If this transferred so would the failure state of the curse.
No it wouldn't. If you take the Woodsman in you get the chance to ask about Lily to the Magic Mirror. Guess what the mirror says? "These lips are sealed." And we all know Lily's dead. Where's your evidence when there is none.
lol at least you're honest. But the things you stated are exactly why I thought Faith wasn't all bad in her intentions, at least I don't think she wanted her to get killed. Take punishment for ratting them out; yes. Die; no. But it is because of the passion in the episodes and drive that she displayed,especially in the trial, that I really felt she had cared about her and just wanted revenge for her friend and to free her own guilty conscious for letting that happen... but who knows? Both evil and good intentions can be argued lol it's just which one I guess the player chooses to believe. ;p
I'd like to think that it happened this way. That way there's no sense of lack of any real accomplishment that would otherwise be present at the end if she really was a somewhat wicked person who played everybody around out of spite and to achieve her goals. I'll start convincing myself that this is how it must have happened right away.
EDIT: Ignore.
Thanks for clearing that up. I concede my point.
But why would they have Faith and Bloody Mary both make the same gesture and farewell unless it had some kind of relevance? They could just as easily had them do entirely different things. There is also no denying Faith's axe skills.
OK, I'm still confused about how Lily's death fits into all this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Georgie killed both Lily and Faith/Nerissa(depending on which theory you believe) right?
If Georgie killed Lily in the Open Arms Hotel, he wouldn't leave her then glamoured as Snow head on Bigby's doorstep. That would mean
Faith/Nerissa put both "Faiths"? and Lily's glamoured heads at Bigby's step? She never admitted to that in the final conversation. If she did put
Lily's head there, how'd she get her hands on it? It's kinda confirmed that Georgie and Jersey were the one's disposing of Lily's body.(TJ's
testimony in ep.2 says he heard "stop laughing at me" reoccurs in ep.4) I think the real question I'm asking is; how did Lily's head and body end up in two different places? Did Faith/Nerissa somehow get her hands on Lily's head before Georgie and Jersey disposed of the body?
I'm puzzled. ._.
It's mentioned several times in-game (and in the Book of Fables) that the princess used the Donkeyskin to escape by hiding in plain sight. Being glamoured as Nerissa lets her do exactly the same thing albeit in a different skin. It's her specialty.
Here are some unanswered questions:
1) Why would Nerissa be glamoured as Faith? It could be anything really. Faith could have have asked Nerissa to cover one of her shifts. This would set her up to take the fall since she was the one that ratted the others out to Georgie. (Nobody said Faith was innocent in all this.) Pure speculation of course.
2) The biggest hole with this theory is the head. The assumption is that the real Faith was beat up before Bigby's encounter with Woody. This doesn't explain how the glamoured head received the same bruises and busted lip as Faith. Of course, since this is a Fables story, I guess the answer could always just be "magic"
Hmm, if Faith was glamoured as Nerissa, why was no thingy found on Faith's body? The same thing found in Lily's body. That when solved and removed, she turned back to who she really was. A troll.
Bigby said the blood at the crime scene was about an hour old, not the head. The blood was revealed to be from the person that hopped the fence, not from the head itself.
It's never stated that the tube has to be on the person. Granny walked around glamoured as Rachel while her tube is on the table.
It's not proven that the girl died after the first scene of the game. Where are you getting that? The blood? That wasn't from the head, but from the person who tried to leave it there (in my opinion, Nerissa)
Also, Nerissa's speach at the end had to do with finding justice for the unfortunates that didn't have a voice. In the context of the greater Fabletown society, it was social commentary, but it was also quite literal for Nerissa and the other girls, who couldn't speak for themselves.
Also, story wise, Nerissa pretending to be Faith who's already dead in the beginning clears up the coincidental convenience of Bigsby just happening to run into the first victim.
There's considerable doubt seeing how many people disagree and think Nerissa was pretending to be Faith.
I'm in the Faith was already dead camp, but the evidence is compelling for your assumption as well.
I think that's what makes the ending really great. It can go either way.
Or it was. The evidence points either way.
What difference does it makes if wears off or is deactivated? Isn't the result –the person not being glamoured anymore– not the same? And if Swineheart does runs some tests, shouldn't he finished by the time of Episode 5? I mean, if there IS something about the head, let's say the glamour is being "deactivated" atfer a while, Swineheart would have informed Bigby, wouldn't he?
Very good analysis, but there's one thing I would like to point to. The note from Lilly to Faith does not mention the fact that it's about the Woodsman shift. It's very probable, but there's also one more explanation. Faith stole the photo from Crane, that much seems certain. And since Crane was Lilly's regular the note to Faith might have referred to that particular cover up during which Faith stole the photo. Now, let's assume that it was Nerissa who got frightened and told Georgie about the theft committed by Faith. Faith might have been informed about it, so she manipulated remorseful and shamed Nerissa into posing for her and taking the punishment. The only thing that seems like a weakness in this theory is the final conversation. Why would Faith be acting like she was sincerely guilty of things she has not done (namely, revealing to Georgie the thing about the stolen photo)? Only to let him know the truth about Nerissa? It does not seem like a believable motivation to me.
Nothing more?
Yeah, it's nothing that Nerissa's Fable Entry says how each of her steps is feeling like walking on Shards of Glass.But don't let that bother you either.That's also just "nothing".
this is because faith's body was never found or supposedly faiths body.
Why I believe Nerissa has been glamoured as Faith from the very start (meaning from meeting her with the Woodsman): There is one key piece of dialogue after she axes the Woodsman in the street. If you decide to give her money and then ask her to drop by your office to give a report, she says she will swing by your apartment instead. She then says "I need to drop off... what I have." Note, there is a pause between the dialogue. If you don't think about it that much it seems as if she is just talking about the money you gave her. But if you replay episode 1 after finishing episode 5, you'll realize that it may have meant dropping off the head of Faith (the real Faith). It's just a theory, but this is the biggest clue I've encountered that supports the Theory that Nerissa has been glamoured as Faith the whole time all along.
For Nerissa's own safety. Also, maybe she thought having Bigby make a connection with Faith will push him into action a lot faster.
Elaborate your point please. You are saying that Nerissa, Faith and Bloody Mary are the same person? You people really love your crazy theories. And while I usually also like them, too much is too much.
in the final scene, bigby remembers swinehart saying "there needs to be more test" talking about the head