Kenny was way out of line

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  • Yup Kenny can do no wrong according to his fans

  • Clem actually calls Kenny an asshole.

    Impalala posted: »

    Is there a video of that, oh my god! **EDIT Also, you know in the trailer when she takes off Kenny's eyepatch. When did that happen in the episode, I tried everything.

  • I'm really starting to dislike him as the season goes on. His fans don't help either

  • Blame Clem for something that wasnt her fault and pile more guilt on the shoulders of a little kid? Im pretty sure I would not do that.

    longlivelee posted: »

    I'm sure everyone complaining he was out of line would do the exact same thing. Positive you guys would. Who wouldn't? I mean he had just lost someone he loved.

  • She lost just as much as he did. Three sets of parents one after the other. Saying she got people killed makes it sound like she did it on purpose. Kenny has actually killed people who were already helpless. Who is he to judge?

    badassm posted: »

    No he wasn't. Kenny lost a lot more than clementine has, he was just very emotional. And what Kenny said was true, it wasn't her fault that

  • I'm so sorry for his loss. I hated what happened. I hated myself. But what I wanted was for Kenny to be a flipping adult for once. Not lash out at the people who want to help and already feel like shit for trying to do something. I not mad that he's angry. I'm mad that he's not handling his emotions better. Go sit in a tent if it makes you feel better Kenny but you can't turn on your people. You can't make them think you're so unhinged that you're going to kill them all. And I know it's hard. But you are not alone. You have all of the group to go to. And I'm sorry but everyone else has gone through what you have too. Clementine parents are still WALKERS for crying out loud. She SHOT Lee. She watched Omid die. She watched almost everyone in season 1 die. She knows when she messes up. It's time for you to realize she doesn't need the mistakes hung around her neck. You've make bad decisions too. And by God if you're going to say Clem can handel herself better than three adults put together, then how about you talk to her like one. And not calling her a "stupid fucking kid". You were harsh but I knew Clem could handle the yelling. What she doesn't need is her "friend" turning and leaving her. That's what I saw happen right there you gave up and started harboring a grudge with Clem. It was the same way in season 1.with Lee. You didn't seem to care that much about Lilly after her dad. He can never see past his own problems. But hey everyone will continue to sweep the attempted murders, arguments, bad plans, arrogance, and emotional tantrum under the rug. As "oh give him time" or "emotions are just running high right now".

    Giraffehat posted: »

    Kenny thought that someone he trusted, and probably viewed as a daughter, caused the brutal, agonizing death of the person who he loves more

  • Really? Because he wouldn't even LOOK at me. All I see is a grudge and a suppressed hatred. Kenny is know for having those before. I mean it's not like he EVER abandoned anyone to get killed or tried to let them be killed *cough Lee *cough

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    The important thing is that he didn't stay mad. He got over it and stepped up to help Rebecca. Yes, he said some shitty things to Clem right

  • Really?

    Conduit42 posted: »

    Clem actually calls Kenny an asshole.

  • Yeah through certain dialogue options while they talked in the tent

    AhmedAli1 posted: »

    Really?

  • Well we did JUST chop his wife's hand off with a hatchet. Some resentment is to be expected for something like that. Christa held some resentment towards Clem for a very long time after Omid's death. But that's not what I care about. What I care about is when she was staring down the barrel of a gun and being asked "Where's the rest of your group?" and she lied to protect us. What I care about is her being stabbed in the leg by a bunch of bandits and having the first thought to enter her head be "Clementine, run!"

    Yeah, Kenny in the past has let his grudge allow him to do some really fucked up stuff like leave Lee to die. But he didn't this time. He confronted the hoard of walkers by himself (or optionally with Mike's help) to give the group enough time to get away. He did what was needed of him to help Rebecca deliver her baby. Yes, he may have still been pissed and depressed and resentful. But (with some coaxing) he was able to help the group despite all of that.

    clem_fo_eva posted: »

    Really? Because he wouldn't even LOOK at me. All I see is a grudge and a suppressed hatred. Kenny is know for having those before. I mean it's not like he EVER abandoned anyone to get killed or tried to let them be killed *cough Lee *cough

  • I posted this comment on the other discussion but this one seems muhc more active and the comment matches the topic, so I'll just write it again and show my point here.

    It's Kenny. You don't know what happens to him when he loses someone? This guy has a temper and it wasn't smart to expect him being thankful for Clementine. In fact, I was ready that he'll at me or something like this. We all have different personalities and Kenny has his one. Not perfect, not the worse. Just like everyone does.

    I grew up in a family with temper. I don't know why but I'm the only non-confrontational person in my family. Can you imagine how it is - growing up among the endless scandals? My nervous system is fragile and I had to go through some hard times when I got into the pre-teen part of my life. In fact, I even have two nervous twitches. But I never blamed anyone from my family. Not my mother, not my father, not my older sister. Yes, I often wished that they could be more tolerant towards eachother. But I can't change them. And I used it all as an advantage. Because I learned how to interact with people who had a temper. Sadly, game doesn't give us much options to do it. We can't be gentle and nurturing that much.

    I'm not the one who'll ragequit at someone like Kenny, call him an asshole or wish to slap him. I tried to be as nice and easygoing as I can. When he talked to me in the tent, I teared up a little bit. Not because I felt offended but because I felt sorry for him. He needed to yell at someone. He needed to throw out his emotions so he'll get better. And I let him do that. Of course I wasn't so pleased when he was too angry towards me. But I told him that I need him. He thanked me. He understood me. And I understood him. Everything will be fine again. He may not directly apologized to me but I did. And it's enough for me to know that he sees me as a capable child and someone he can hear the kind words from.

    That's how I handle people like Kenny. I'm not mad at him at all. I just try to help him. And that's all.

  • I found a video. It happens towards the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w

    Impalala posted: »

    Is there a video of that, oh my god! **EDIT Also, you know in the trailer when she takes off Kenny's eyepatch. When did that happen in the episode, I tried everything.

  • True, Kenny was out of line. But it is a normal human reaction when someone loses someone they care about. They can struggle to find blame when no-one is at fault or over step the line when they think someone is to blame.
    It's like when Kenny hated Ben for the deaths of Katjaa and Duck. Ben was to blame, but he did make a mistake. Clementine may have made a mistake also?

  • edited July 2014

    Letting Sarita live long enough for Kenny to say goodbye. It was never a choice about getting a good outcome like some people thought.

    KCohere posted: »

    She dies if you dont. What other choice did Clem have?

  • Yes, he said some unimaginably cruel things to Clementine. It's bad enough that she watched Carver die and lost the last of her innocence. Then the closest thing Clem has to family tells her that Sarita's death s all her fault and basically drives her into complete despair and apathy. The end result is that my Clem is a much darker character than he was a couple short episodes ago.

    I can't really blame him, the guy lost so much...more than anyone, besides Clem. Still.....damn.

  • edited July 2014

    Kenny was not "out of line" he was simply feeling a lot of emotions at once. Why are people expecting Kenny to be all hunky dory toward Clem... Or anyone for that matter... When not even a while ago, Kenny lost another love of his life.

    Like Rebecca said, you can't just expect him to bounce back. Of course he would blame you for her death, I mean, its his way of venting emotions, or being left alone. Yeah, he was being mean, but seriously, what did anyone really expect? You saw how Kenny handled Ducks death on the train.

  • its understandable though. i mean come on. he lost his son and wife. bla bla bla bla. finally he found sarita that help her get over their dead. bla bla bla bla bla. she also died. the only shit keeping kenny together is their new goal which is keeping the baby alive.

    Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand." I mean, I know there was no

  • he almost breaks down. but the baby save him :)

    EmperorZorn posted: »

    Kenny has just lost the third loved one in his life, you can't expect him to smile and pat Clem's hat. He knows that it wasn't Clems fault,

  • Thank you! Wow.

    I found a video. It happens towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w

  • You can tell Clem was about to cry she said she had to shoot Lee. Very emotional scene.

    Props to Gavin and Melissa.

    I found a video. It happens towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w

  • edited July 2014

    Look... Kenny was a in similar situation back in season one, and he lashed out at Lee, blaming him in a very similar way even if he were always his pal,siding with him. It doesn't mean he didn't like Lee. Getting angry just seems to be how he copes with it.

    At least this time he didn't need anyone's help to put Sarita down, if she still had her arm.

    I could relate to him a lot more than Mr. My-childhood-friend-of-20-years-just-died-let's-have-sex in this episode.

  • Exactly! He's only venting his sadness with his usual rage. It was hardly unexpected.

    Kenny was not "out of line" he was simply feeling a lot of emotions at once. Why are people expecting Kenny to be all hunky dory toward Cle

  • That really isn't true. I think most would say what Kenny said was wrong, but it could be found pretty forgiveable considering the circumstances.

    SonEdo posted: »

    Yup Kenny can do no wrong according to his fans

  • Exactly. People are not being realistic about this at all.

    Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand." I mean, I know there was no

  • Clem could have actually snapped back at Kenny like the way Ben did in No Time Left.

    greenetea posted: »

    Oh please. I'm one of clem's biggest fan but even I can understand Kenny's point of view. You guys surely underestimate what Clem can handle

  • Obviously.. which is why he brings this line up in the first place.

    clem_fo_eva posted: »

    He didn't seem to have trouble remembering it when he was shoving her nose in her failures.

  • Yeah, you're probably right. I'm mostly kidding, anyways. :P

    greenetea posted: »

    She doesn't want to beat up nor does she wants someone to beat up Kenny for her especially after how she saw Carver did that before.

  • Yeah, you can say that when your talking to him in the tent. It's a much better scene if you go that route.

    KCohere posted: »

    She said that? Good for her! She's already killing herself with guilt. What right does he have to keep throwing that stuff in her face?

  • edited July 2014

    My video :D Great scene. :)

    I found a video. It happens towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w

  • He just needed another ass-whoopin' from Lee.

  • Kenny was out of line but he was also grieving and people can make irrational decisions when coming to terms with loosing a loved one. However, that doesn't excuse the way he spoke to Clem. Everyone in the group has lost loved ones and not one of them has lashed out and blame Clem for it... except Kenny! He was way out of line and should have apologized but that's not Kenny, he doesn't compromise or apologize for anything. He's his way or no way and although he may have lots some fans for this episodes actions, there's still a load of hardcore Kenny fans that will make excuses for him and then be quick to slam other characters for their mistakes.

    Lee and Kenny's relationship in my game was a rocky one as my Lee tried to stay neutral and keep the peace between everyone which meant I wasn't always siding with Kenny... and we all know you have to side with him 100% for him to actually appreciate you.
    Luke has been nothing but nice to me and so I've been loyal to Luke since Season 2: Episode 1 and that's how I intend to go on.
    BACK THE UNDERDOG!

  • I know, if anything episode 4 made me a HUGE fan of Kenny. He is the most realistic character out of everyone on the show.

    Belan posted: »

    That really isn't true. I think most would say what Kenny said was wrong, but it could be found pretty forgiveable considering the circumstances.

  • When and what do you need to say to him? I really want to hear it myself

    Yeah.

  • Everyone in the group has lost loved ones and not one of them has lashed out and blame Clem for it... except Kenny!

    Yeah... I'm not sure going "everyone should react to grief the same way" is doing your argument any favors. And I say this as someone who didn't always agree with Kenny's actions even in the first season.

    Kenny was out of line but he was also grieving and people can make irrational decisions when coming to terms with loosing a loved one. Howev

  • edited July 2014

    Well, he wasn't very successful in trying to kill Ben. But I would say that lunging at someone while screaming that you are going to kill them qualifies as an attempt, no matter how incapable he was of overcoming other's resistance in that situation.

    He wasn't successful because he never attempted to kill him. You do know Kenny had a gun right? If he wanted to kill someone, I'm sure he would've used a gun rather than his fists. And threatening to beat up someone is the same as attempted murder now?

    Yeah, Ben was an idiot. So let's excuse Kenny for making a bad situation worse by putting everyone at much greater risk and getting Brie killed. Let's get the door open (after kicking it for several minutes, apparently) and then have a long argument while the door is being broken down. Real smart, Kenny. Right up there with Ben.

    Now you're blaming Kenny for Brie's death now? How many people were in that room again? They were all happy to have a discussion there and then instead of saying "Let's talk about this later" and it's not his fault Brie decided to get involved in the discussion instead of focusing on holding the door.

    And, hey, good for Kenny for stepping up to take a beating when no one asked him to. He gets an occasional hero complex that he likes to act out. He probably wanted to be beaten to death even before it started. Clementine would have been struck by Carver, probably, but Kenny had already killed some of Carver's men, was an adult, and was openly defiant. Clementine never would have gotten that sort of beating. If Kenny thinks Clementine needs to take responsibility like an adult, then he needs to honor her decisions and let her take responsibility like an adult.

    I don't know what to say about this. No one asked him to? So by that logic, no one asked Brie to come along in sneaking into Crawford where she was killed so technically, it's definitely not Kenny's fault because she died. I bet if Kenny did it your way, you'd probably slate him and call him a coward for not doing anything while a little kid gets beaten, he can never win can he? How do you know if Carver was just gonna give her a smack? He's crazy and he demonstrated this by killing a guy with one arm and making a father smack his daughter plus Clementine was on thin ice with him. Think Carver's gonna be all nice with someone sneaking around and robbing him even if they are a little kid? It wasn't Clementine's idea to steal the walkie but you expect Kenny to standby and let her get beaten because it's all part of being an adult.

    Well, he wasn't very successful in trying to kill Ben. But I would say that lunging at someone while screaming that you are going to kill th

  • Guys omg..........IT WAS THE BEARD IT DROVE KENNY INSANE BECAUSE ITS POWER IS TO STRONG but now kenny has it under control

  • Thanks for sharing that. I love that she told him off but his response was still graceless and she looked devastated. :( I know Clem is strong but I hope it doesn't eventually get to be too much for her. She's still a little girl.

    I found a video. It happens towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w

  • There's no predicting how long before someone turns. It could be days or minutes.

    Night_Owl posted: »

    Letting Sarita live long enough for Kenny to say goodbye. It was never a choice about getting a good outcome like some people thought.

  • Maybe for blaming her for something that wasn't her fault and then just to hurt her throwing her guilt in her face? He's not the only one who has lost people. Rebecca just lost her husband and she doesn't seem to be lashing out. But you're right. It's no less than what I expect from Kenny. Doesn't mean I like it.

    Kenny was not "out of line" he was simply feeling a lot of emotions at once. Why are people expecting Kenny to be all hunky dory toward Cle

  • She was younger, more easily manipulated, and thought she might have a chance of seeing her parents again. If the same thing was happening to her now, she wouldn't fall for it.

    USMC1786 posted: »

    Clem doesn't see it that way

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