Excellent post. While I do disagree with some things, I do find this quite funny. We got a WHOLE lot of people here talking about how this season sucked, yet, when a gaming website gives the episode a low score, it's "Fuck them" or "fuck that." There's almost a greater potential to talk about human nature based on the behavior of people on the internet and forums than people in a post apocalyptic world...
I read it all, agreed on most if not all your points... Telltale really shit the bed this season and seeing them post reviews of how they're getting these star reviews is stupid. It's a mess right now... especially at the end of ep 4, RUSSIANS? really? Jesus..
Oh my, being disappointed of inconsistent writing from a company that is KNOWN for their great writing and its fans having valid criticism of their questionable quality is suddenly being a toddler throwing a tantrum?
Last i checked it was from fans who are well read and critical of subpar writing.
"Really shit the bed"
Seriously, you folks should shut up. We get it, you don't like the story. No reason to insult telltale. What's wrong with russians? Racist.
I read it all, agreed on most if not all your points... Telltale really shit the bed this season and seeing them post reviews of how they're… more getting these star reviews is stupid. It's a mess right now... especially at the end of ep 4, RUSSIANS? really? Jesus..
Season 2 reminds me of Dark Souls 2:
* Both are sequels to critically acclaimed games.
* Both changed the dev team/writers (in TWD's c… morease)
* Both didn't capture the points that made the first tittle great
* Both promissed things that ended up not happening
* Both are good games, but they do not live up to the originals
A group of Russians (who can't speak english of all things) all of a sudden appears in North carolina? (when it's pretty apparent that High density of russian immigrants would be more likely to be in Cities of more diverse/higher population)
Russian-Americans DO exist. But okay, say we do have this Russian group who can't speak english (maybe mob affiliated), It was still dumb to kill off 3 Survivors With High expectation and throw them away to suddenly throw in a group of Russians who can't speak english out of the blue when Character development is to be had. Now TT expects us to be eager to get to know a group of random people thrown at us out of the blue when we sorely wanted more potential character moments with those in the previous chapter?
Hell Season 1 didn't even do that. No new character was suddenly thrown at us in the last 5 seconds of the episode. Even Vernon had a good portion of Episode 4 -5. So to suddenly throw in new character elements is dumb when the season is about to reach it's final end.
"Really shit the bed"
Seriously, you folks should shut up. We get it, you don't like the story. No reason to insult telltale. What's wrong with russians? Racist.
LOL just because i say they're "russian" doesn't mean im a racist you moron. They just seem really out of place and stereotypical. Yeah let's not insult Telltale because right now they have essentially stopped caring about the quality of the writing and seem to want to move on from TWD, which WE paid money for
"Really shit the bed"
Seriously, you folks should shut up. We get it, you don't like the story. No reason to insult telltale. What's wrong with russians? Racist.
Honestly there are characters you just click with... and there are some you dont.. I honestly didn't really care for sarah.. I knew from the second Carlos died sarah wasn't going to make it.. I was nice to her and supported her kept her alive.. even had Jane try and save her from the deck.. But when she died.. It was more like.. "well thats that, nothing more we can do for her" Nicks death was sad but average.. really no better than Chucks death.. besides that It was a very tense episode.
You are still responsible for the life of a little girl, you are still trapped in a dire situation where casualties are a constant worry and problem, and you are still going to deal with things and characters that you don't like. That is just how this story is.
None of my problems with the writing have anything to do with this. I have a problem with the constant changes in characterization, and with the themes and plot points that are left unresolved with no explanation. As a writer, you do not specifically build something up only to drop it, with the excuse that "this is just the world they live in now." That's BS.
Constantly complaining about Luke's reaction to Nick and Sarah's deaths. It's called getting over it. ... Lilly handled her father's death a lot worse than Nick handled Pete's death. The level of their relationship makes no difference, but the loss does. Lilly never let go of the loss, while Nick got over it within a couple of episodes.
And that is exactly why it makes no sense. Nick himself emphasizes that he is unable to move on from loss and that he can't handle it because he's "just not built like that". His "getting over it" as you say was not because he could deal with it, it was because the writers forgot to compare notes on how he was written.
Connections with characters. I had a connection with each and every character in this series, including Reggie. If you didn't, it meant you weren't giving yourself a chance to experience them, and were instead naming off everything wrong with them.
I had a connection with these characters too. I loved the characters this season, and strongly identified with them MUCH more so than the first season. But their development was tossed out the window as they were unceremoniously killed off with no purpose to the themes or the plot.
You're trying to compare a complete season to one that isn't, and it isn't a fair comparison.
Um.. half your reasons for explaining away my points are when you compare it to how it's not any different from the first season. But to answer this, you're right, it wouldn't be a fair comparison to say that "this season is different from the first, therefore i don't like it." But that's not what I'm saying. Season 2 just does not stand up as a coherent and consistent story on its own. (And anyway, Telltale themselves are drawing out this problem with fans constantly comparing this season to the last, with the never-ending references to the past season & all.)
completely disregarding the effort of the writers just because you didn't like every single little thing they did is childish.
I'm not saying I didn't like every single little thing they did. There were good things about this episode. I really enjoyed interacting with Mike and Bonnie this episode, I enjoyed the balance of tension and calm, and the dialogue for the most part was also handled well. But this post isn't comparing the good and the bad. It's talking about the huge problems in the season that have instead of fixing this episode, have made everything worse. Prior to this, the season could have been saved, but now the entire thing is a mess.
I'm not mad that I didn't "get my way". I did not actively participate in predictions, avoided Telltale's twitter, and did not watch the trailer. This post has nothing to do with me being mad because what I pictured happening didn't happen.
If me expecting to have a decent and coherent narrative from the amazing Telltale Games and then being completely let down means I'm throwing a fit for no reason than ok. I guess you're just playing the games for the action sequences then?
You're right! Although I was a bit disappointed after episode 3 (I loved episode 1 and enjoyed pretty much episode 2) i felt very excited fo… morer episode 4. What a fool...
Sarah, my favourite character, handled so poor and nick... what's the point?
What's saddest is that i won't feel excited anymore for a TWD episode and this will be probaby the last telltale game i'm gonna play. And once TWD was my favourite game ever...
But the thing is it seems so obvious that these characters are just not going to have a significant part in the story. They're simply introduced for plot convenience and contrived drama. The fact that they don't speak English seems like a big giveaway that Telltale doesn't want to bother developing them, they're just the new way Telltale kills off the next character on the list.
A group of Russians (who can't speak english of all things) all of a sudden appears in North carolina? (when it's pretty apparent that High … moredensity of russian immigrants would be more likely to be in Cities of more diverse/higher population)
Russian-Americans DO exist. But okay, say we do have this Russian group who can't speak english (maybe mob affiliated), It was still dumb to kill off 3 Survivors With High expectation and throw them away to suddenly throw in a group of Russians who can't speak english out of the blue when Character development is to be had. Now TT expects us to be eager to get to know a group of random people thrown at us out of the blue when we sorely wanted more potential character moments with those in the previous chapter?
Hell Season 1 didn't even do that. No new character was suddenly thrown at us in the last 5 seconds of the episode. Even Vernon had a good portion of Episode 4 -5. So to suddenly throw in new character elements is dumb when the season is about to reach it's final end.
The primary way the story could have treated the situation as if you strongly cared about Sarah was to give Clem opportunities to express that. And they did. Clem can show a great deal of concern towards Sarah through her dialogue options and through actions like checking up on Sarah while the group splits up and telling Mike to grab her when the walkers attack.
Actually, Rebecca seemed to be quite caring towards Sarah. I do agree that Luke's concerns regarding her were too self-centered but Jane's "she reminds me of my sister" seems quite appropriate given that she hardly knew the girl and the only thing she saw of her was helplessness.
I understand the disappointment at Sarah's ultimate failure to become anything more than a helpless victim. But I think that's the point. You wish she were more than she turned out to be.
But that's not how Sarah was being treated. The story did not treat the situation as if you strongly care about this person but are helpless… more to save them. The way Sarah is treated, it's like no one barely even knows her or cares.
The only characters that even acknowledge her, Luke and Jane, only talk about her in relation to their own issues - Luke "I can't believe I left her/ almost left her" and Jane "she reminds me of my sister".
Sarah was built up to be so much more, but in the end they turned her into a weak device to expand on Jane's issues, and even that purpose was completely wasted when Jane walks out for barely related reasons.
I don't understand what they were thinking when they thought about ways of killing nick off. He was shot during the escape then HE has to go out looking for help, dies near the fence and turns into a walker. It saddens me Nick deserved better.
The game may have many problems, but i love it. I agree with you on some things, though. Can you believe it took two writers to write 204? I loved the episode but the writing was fucking shit.
We don't need to have an epic or heroic death in order to "cry rivers". I can tell you, I haven't cried one drop*, and I am the type of pers… moreon who tears up at kids cartoons.
*tears of rage don't count.
The deaths are not being treated as "people die left and right, it's the apocalypse and people have become numb to it." It's just "OK fill the quota of dead characters so we look like we're all deep and nihilistic." What is the point of having a narrative and character-focused drama if characters are killed off left and right without evoking any emotion of any kind?
So Telltale specifically builds Sarah up to be an interesting and complex character only for them to completely doom her no matter what, with no further development or character arc? Why build her up like this only for everyone to end up "wishing that she were more than she turned out to be"?
Ok, so Clem has a few dialogue options that aren't horrifically disrespectful and belittling. That is not up to par with the interactions with her we had been building up to prior to this.
Sorry, I can see where you're coming from, but I just do not agree. There's a difference between a character being meant to symbolize the futility/hopelessness of a situation, and then there's just complete laziness.
The primary way the story could have treated the situation as if you strongly cared about Sarah was to give Clem opportunities to express th… moreat. And they did. Clem can show a great deal of concern towards Sarah through her dialogue options and through actions like checking up on Sarah while the group splits up and telling Mike to grab her when the walkers attack.
Actually, Rebecca seemed to be quite caring towards Sarah. I do agree that Luke's concerns regarding her were too self-centered but Jane's "she reminds me of my sister" seems quite appropriate given that she hardly knew the girl and the only thing she saw of her was helplessness.
I understand the disappointment at Sarah's ultimate failure to become anything more than a helpless victim. But I think that's the point. You wish she were more than she turned out to be.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like this episode. It seemed I waited three months for an hour of new game that left me more confused then ever. I felt cheated. I felt like they took for ever to come out with it and it was over before I really did anything. I love this game, but this episode sucked. Nick being dead on a fence and then Clem taking a few chunks out of his head with barely any sign of regret or sorrow was crazy to me. Then, I can barely remember anything that happened to make Clem have to make a tough choice about other then smacking Sarah in the face to get her up. After all that build up she was dead what felt like 10 minutes later. Then, next thing I know I'm shooting Rebecca in the head? How did she die? She coughed a few times and was weak from giving birth. I had no ideal she was about to be dead. Just a very disappointing three month wait..
It's because Sean Vanaman and Mark Darin aren't writing the episodes. That's why S1 was gold more importantly why 103 and 102 were the best of the franchise.
I read the entire article and I have this to say, what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me.
Perhaps it is due to holding Season 2 wi… moreth the same standards as Season 1, but I get the feeling the writers weren't as passionate with the quality of the writing in Season 2 as they were in Season 1. Season 1 wasn't flawless, but it felt more closer to earth than Season 2 did and it had a lot of heart. Season 2 started off well in the first two episodes (even with some problems, they're still in good quality), but went downhill with Episode 3 and beyond to the point where I'm wondering if Telltale is starting to get bored with the story and just wants to kill off characters at random for shock value.
ok first of all,i meant no offense to people with a disability this is offense to sarah
second of all,IF my dad tried to shelter me it wouldnt work,and i would do everything to help my dad if he were being beaten,if im sitting there watching carver force my dad to hit me I would understand,and finaly if my dad were killed by walkers those walkers would be dead,i wouldnt run without justice
thirdly,I need to grow up?how many times have we told sarah that?how many times have we said if you dont grow up in this world you DIE.And im sorry but sheltered or not shes 15 and doesnt have a lick of sense.
you can make as many excuses for her as you want,she wasnt useful,you know i wouldnt be so hard on her if she at least tried to help the group.But no she has done nothing
I'd love to see you have the same train of thought if you have been living completely sheltered for years and finally had your father (the o… morenly family) be Beaten in front of you by a psychopath, consequently HIT by your father who never struck you before, and suddenly killed and eaten by zombies.
Then realize your surrounded by the undead.
Also if you don't know what a bigot is or hasn't met anyone with disabilities or show a shred of empathy and think she deserves immense violence on them because they aren't "strong" then you need to grow up.
Seeing as how you changed so mind so quickly, you probably didn't care too much about Sarah or her situation to begin with?
Some people were hoping a neuroatypical character who was a possible friend to Clementine (a female and female friendship) would develop into something extraordinary in a story of survival but nope. So sad you changed your mind so quickly when Sarah's character is a good topic of discussion.
I was not "praising" Sarah. Yes, I liked her, and strongly identified with her actually, but I am not praising her. I am trying to show how … moreTelltale has gone about portraying her character, they used to show her positive and negative qualities and gave proper respect to her mental issues but now she is shown in a completely one-sided light. And on the contrary, we have had many chances to connect with Sarah. Up until this point.
Yeah this episode was sad. Sad for the characters and buildup that got flushed down the drain for nothing.
And I'm pretty sure that you don't have to be a professional writer in order to recognize when a story doesn't make any narrative or thematic sense.
Just because Sarah doesn't react in a way you approve doesn't mean she was a bad character or should have been left behind.
Characters don't have to prove their skills and helpfulness in order to be interesting to the narrative. This story has never been about choosing who can be the most useful to the group, and it has never been "you have to leave anyone who isn't valuable behind, and there's no choice about it."
This story was about interesting and complex characters who deal with things in different ways. Do you really want to go through the game with a bunch of clones who have no problem dealing with any of the crap they go through?
Just because Sarah was in more danger of dying than anyone else in the group does NOT mean that Telltale was right to write her off like that. Her character had so many possibilities with where they could go with it but instead her character arc is dropped with very little purpose to the plot.
ok first of all,i meant no offense to people with a disability this is offense to sarah
second of all,IF my dad tried to shelter me it wo… moreuldnt work,and i would do everything to help my dad if he were being beaten,if im sitting there watching carver force my dad to hit me I would understand,and finaly if my dad were killed by walkers those walkers would be dead,i wouldnt run without justice
thirdly,I need to grow up?how many times have we told sarah that?how many times have we said if you dont grow up in this world you DIE.And im sorry but sheltered or not shes 15 and doesnt have a lick of sense.
you can make as many excuses for her as you want,she wasnt useful,you know i wouldnt be so hard on her if she at least tried to help the group.But no she has done nothing
But Sarah IS a person with a disability? So She is TRYING to grow up in an unnatural situation and setting with Clementine's help (if you give it.)
So unless you yourself have a disability then you wouldn't know anything about it and yet even those without can still show her great empathy and feel for her character because she is innocent. You don't have to like her character or situation but to say she deserves to be killed is MESSED UP and is OFFENSIVE to those with disabilities just as much as saying "Mike deserves to die because he's Black". Whoever says that is Racist. Not too hard to understand.
Second, if your dad was being beaten to death and you were surrounded by soldiers with a Machine gun you sure would not do jack shit or you'll get shot. Once again, she is no different than Clementine's mental state in Episode 1 at this point because her dad didn't even tell her about zombies. If your not completely paralyzed with fear, you'd be running too. Also HAHAHA, Those walkers would be dead? You'd kill them would you? Oh sure, I'd like you to wake up suddenly tomorrow in a herd of them without a weapon.
You think your so capable, but if you don't even know what a bigot is then...? What use will you be?
Thirdly, I'll repeat myself, You need to grow up. Sarah atleast is coping with her loss. She is still a child with a Mental Disability. And what she lacks in sense, you lack in any sense of morals. You don't have to be disabled to empathize with disabled characters.
She wasn't useful? Even in her goddamn Petrifying fear she warned the group of a herd of walkers. Where was Luke?
And even then her potential was there as a character. She was clearly being set up to grow (you taught her how to use a gun, told her how life is). But Telltale's writer for this episode dropped the ball and threw her character away. And you don't have to be disabled to see that a mile away.
ok first of all,i meant no offense to people with a disability this is offense to sarah
second of all,IF my dad tried to shelter me it wo… moreuldnt work,and i would do everything to help my dad if he were being beaten,if im sitting there watching carver force my dad to hit me I would understand,and finaly if my dad were killed by walkers those walkers would be dead,i wouldnt run without justice
thirdly,I need to grow up?how many times have we told sarah that?how many times have we said if you dont grow up in this world you DIE.And im sorry but sheltered or not shes 15 and doesnt have a lick of sense.
you can make as many excuses for her as you want,she wasnt useful,you know i wouldnt be so hard on her if she at least tried to help the group.But no she has done nothing
Carver had the worst development of any character in this whole franchise. He goes from smart antagonist to sociopathic survival nut without any development.
Bonnie did some good in 203.
Clementine is the same person in every episode. She's boring and tasteless. I love her, but the writers fucked up a damn good character.
I guess the thing is that I just didn't see much in Sarah that was very interesting or complex in the first place. To me, she served as a foil to Clem as a resolute and resilient young girl. I didn't see anything more to it than that.
So Telltale specifically builds Sarah up to be an interesting and complex character only for them to completely doom her no matter what, wit… moreh no further development or character arc? Why build her up like this only for everyone to end up "wishing that she were more than she turned out to be"?
Ok, so Clem has a few dialogue options that aren't horrifically disrespectful and belittling. That is not up to par with the interactions with her we had been building up to prior to this.
Sorry, I can see where you're coming from, but I just do not agree. There's a difference between a character being meant to symbolize the futility/hopelessness of a situation, and then there's just complete laziness.
Realism was Omid's sudden and tragic death.
Realism was the slow agonizing tragedy that was Duck's death.
Realism was Ben's untimely and c… moreruelly ironic unfortunate demise
Realism was separating from Christa and not knowing what happened to her despite the great potential she had.
Laziness is the fact that Nick did absolutely nothing nor say anything beyond 2 lines in Episode 3 and died offscreen.
Laziness is that Carlos was killed off and hoping to have meaningful impact Sarah who you built a friendship with suddenly died despite efforts on saving her.
Laziness is that Sarita was also off'd for Kenny's development and we know absolutely nothing about her.
Laziness is suddenly everyone gets quick deaths with very little variation.
Laziness is everyone's quick and 'Too bad, so unfortunate' death with no knowledge of them outside of their plot device.
Realism is Variety. and Variety makes for spice of life. character means giving characters some good potential and making us care.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion but lots of other fans saw much more in Sarah than that.
They applauded Telltale for including a young girl who was not only a POC but was also clearly neurodivergent while also being portrayed as a kind and sympathetic character. Yeah, there are options to be mean to her but these were for the sake of player choice- the whole good/neutral/evil dialogue option pattern.
Sarah was a was a refreshing change in perspective and a chance for Clem to have a little friendship and solidarity instead of constantly having to deal with adults.
But in the end she was just dumped, and it was completely disrespectful not just to their fans but to their own previous writing.
I guess the thing is that I just didn't see much in Sarah that was very interesting or complex in the first place. To me, she served as a foil to Clem as a resolute and resilient young girl. I didn't see anything more to it than that.
If I were Putin,I'd give you a slice of Crimeea.I agree with you 10000%.I didn't saved Nick in ep2,however,on my second save file he was alive and I had some ideea for him.
Let him have an opinion, dude. He is entitled to his opinion and people dislike his comment and you say his opinion is wrong?
You have no right, dude. I maybe overreacting, i don't know.
ok your right i wouldnt know about a disability,if what i said was offensive i apologies
i would rather get shot and possibly killed,than watch a mad man beat my dad.and fuck yes i would kill them or at least try im not saying i would definantly kill them,but id rather them eat me trying to avenge my fathers death than run away and let them eat him.and you know what i dont give a fuck what a bigot is,you use the word if you want but i dont give a shit.id be alot a hell more useful than sarah.
yeah so clem is a child to,as a matter of fact she is 4 years younger than sarah and has lost more than sarah ever will,i know clem wasnt sheltered as much as sarah but still age is age. and how do you know for sure she has a disability?are you her fucking doctor? do you just have her medical record lying there next to you?im not saying she doesnt,but you cant say she does.
what the hell do you mean warned the group of a herd of walkers.are you telling me the others cant hear the hundreds of walkers making noise behind them?she didnt do shit.where was luke?lets not go there.potential?what fucking potential?when she died(if you saved her)and you were pushing a cannon to block the door.what was she doing? watching.
Bottom line Its their game.and if they want to kill off a character they will. i didnt like the way they killed carley but do you hear me bitching about it?NOPE
But Sarah IS a person with a disability? So She is TRYING to grow up in an unnatural situation and setting with Clementine's help (if you gi… moreve it.)
So unless you yourself have a disability then you wouldn't know anything about it and yet even those without can still show her great empathy and feel for her character because she is innocent. You don't have to like her character or situation but to say she deserves to be killed is MESSED UP and is OFFENSIVE to those with disabilities just as much as saying "Mike deserves to die because he's Black". Whoever says that is Racist. Not too hard to understand.
Second, if your dad was being beaten to death and you were surrounded by soldiers with a Machine gun you sure would not do jack shit or you'll get shot. Once again, she is no different than Clementine's mental state in Episode 1 at this point because her dad didn't even tell her about zombies. If your not completely paralyzed with fear, you'… [view original content]
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Excellent post. While I do disagree with some things, I do find this quite funny. We got a WHOLE lot of people here talking about how this season sucked, yet, when a gaming website gives the episode a low score, it's "Fuck them" or "fuck that." There's almost a greater potential to talk about human nature based on the behavior of people on the internet and forums than people in a post apocalyptic world...
I read it all, agreed on most if not all your points... Telltale really shit the bed this season and seeing them post reviews of how they're getting these star reviews is stupid. It's a mess right now... especially at the end of ep 4, RUSSIANS? really? Jesus..
Oh my, being disappointed of inconsistent writing from a company that is KNOWN for their great writing and its fans having valid criticism of their questionable quality is suddenly being a toddler throwing a tantrum?
Last i checked it was from fans who are well read and critical of subpar writing.
"Really shit the bed"
Seriously, you folks should shut up. We get it, you don't like the story. No reason to insult telltale. What's wrong with russians? Racist.
Except DS2 is phenomenal.
A group of Russians (who can't speak english of all things) all of a sudden appears in North carolina? (when it's pretty apparent that High density of russian immigrants would be more likely to be in Cities of more diverse/higher population)
Russian-Americans DO exist. But okay, say we do have this Russian group who can't speak english (maybe mob affiliated), It was still dumb to kill off 3 Survivors With High expectation and throw them away to suddenly throw in a group of Russians who can't speak english out of the blue when Character development is to be had. Now TT expects us to be eager to get to know a group of random people thrown at us out of the blue when we sorely wanted more potential character moments with those in the previous chapter?
Hell Season 1 didn't even do that. No new character was suddenly thrown at us in the last 5 seconds of the episode. Even Vernon had a good portion of Episode 4 -5. So to suddenly throw in new character elements is dumb when the season is about to reach it's final end.
LOL just because i say they're "russian" doesn't mean im a racist you moron. They just seem really out of place and stereotypical. Yeah let's not insult Telltale because right now they have essentially stopped caring about the quality of the writing and seem to want to move on from TWD, which WE paid money for
Honestly there are characters you just click with... and there are some you dont.. I honestly didn't really care for sarah.. I knew from the second Carlos died sarah wasn't going to make it.. I was nice to her and supported her kept her alive.. even had Jane try and save her from the deck.. But when she died.. It was more like.. "well thats that, nothing more we can do for her" Nicks death was sad but average.. really no better than Chucks death.. besides that It was a very tense episode.
None of my problems with the writing have anything to do with this. I have a problem with the constant changes in characterization, and with the themes and plot points that are left unresolved with no explanation. As a writer, you do not specifically build something up only to drop it, with the excuse that "this is just the world they live in now." That's BS.
And that is exactly why it makes no sense. Nick himself emphasizes that he is unable to move on from loss and that he can't handle it because he's "just not built like that". His "getting over it" as you say was not because he could deal with it, it was because the writers forgot to compare notes on how he was written.
I had a connection with these characters too. I loved the characters this season, and strongly identified with them MUCH more so than the first season. But their development was tossed out the window as they were unceremoniously killed off with no purpose to the themes or the plot.
Um.. half your reasons for explaining away my points are when you compare it to how it's not any different from the first season. But to answer this, you're right, it wouldn't be a fair comparison to say that "this season is different from the first, therefore i don't like it." But that's not what I'm saying. Season 2 just does not stand up as a coherent and consistent story on its own. (And anyway, Telltale themselves are drawing out this problem with fans constantly comparing this season to the last, with the never-ending references to the past season & all.)
I'm not saying I didn't like every single little thing they did. There were good things about this episode. I really enjoyed interacting with Mike and Bonnie this episode, I enjoyed the balance of tension and calm, and the dialogue for the most part was also handled well. But this post isn't comparing the good and the bad. It's talking about the huge problems in the season that have instead of fixing this episode, have made everything worse. Prior to this, the season could have been saved, but now the entire thing is a mess.
I'm not mad that I didn't "get my way". I did not actively participate in predictions, avoided Telltale's twitter, and did not watch the trailer. This post has nothing to do with me being mad because what I pictured happening didn't happen.
If me expecting to have a decent and coherent narrative from the amazing Telltale Games and then being completely let down means I'm throwing a fit for no reason than ok. I guess you're just playing the games for the action sequences then?
At least TWAU is great, I'd check that one out.
But the thing is it seems so obvious that these characters are just not going to have a significant part in the story. They're simply introduced for plot convenience and contrived drama. The fact that they don't speak English seems like a big giveaway that Telltale doesn't want to bother developing them, they're just the new way Telltale kills off the next character on the list.
It is, but I see DS2 below DS1 in terms of enviroments and the overall "life" of the world
Couldnt have said it better myself! Id love to shake your hand!
The primary way the story could have treated the situation as if you strongly cared about Sarah was to give Clem opportunities to express that. And they did. Clem can show a great deal of concern towards Sarah through her dialogue options and through actions like checking up on Sarah while the group splits up and telling Mike to grab her when the walkers attack.
Actually, Rebecca seemed to be quite caring towards Sarah. I do agree that Luke's concerns regarding her were too self-centered but Jane's "she reminds me of my sister" seems quite appropriate given that she hardly knew the girl and the only thing she saw of her was helplessness.
I understand the disappointment at Sarah's ultimate failure to become anything more than a helpless victim. But I think that's the point. You wish she were more than she turned out to be.
I don't understand what they were thinking when they thought about ways of killing nick off. He was shot during the escape then HE has to go out looking for help, dies near the fence and turns into a walker. It saddens me Nick deserved better.
Carlos made me cry.
Seeing Nick, like that, made me shed a tear.
Rebecca, i cried a little.
The game may have many problems, but i love it. I agree with you on some things, though. Can you believe it took two writers to write 204? I loved the episode but the writing was fucking shit.
The first two episodes of S2, the writing was decent. But since then, it's shit.
So Telltale specifically builds Sarah up to be an interesting and complex character only for them to completely doom her no matter what, with no further development or character arc? Why build her up like this only for everyone to end up "wishing that she were more than she turned out to be"?
Ok, so Clem has a few dialogue options that aren't horrifically disrespectful and belittling. That is not up to par with the interactions with her we had been building up to prior to this.
Sorry, I can see where you're coming from, but I just do not agree. There's a difference between a character being meant to symbolize the futility/hopelessness of a situation, and then there's just complete laziness.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like this episode. It seemed I waited three months for an hour of new game that left me more confused then ever. I felt cheated. I felt like they took for ever to come out with it and it was over before I really did anything. I love this game, but this episode sucked. Nick being dead on a fence and then Clem taking a few chunks out of his head with barely any sign of regret or sorrow was crazy to me. Then, I can barely remember anything that happened to make Clem have to make a tough choice about other then smacking Sarah in the face to get her up. After all that build up she was dead what felt like 10 minutes later. Then, next thing I know I'm shooting Rebecca in the head? How did she die? She coughed a few times and was weak from giving birth. I had no ideal she was about to be dead. Just a very disappointing three month wait..
I felt bad when I left Sarah, but now seeing how many ppl are whining about it, the feeling disappeared.
It's because Sean Vanaman and Mark Darin aren't writing the episodes. That's why S1 was gold more importantly why 103 and 102 were the best of the franchise.
ok first of all,i meant no offense to people with a disability this is offense to sarah
second of all,IF my dad tried to shelter me it wouldnt work,and i would do everything to help my dad if he were being beaten,if im sitting there watching carver force my dad to hit me I would understand,and finaly if my dad were killed by walkers those walkers would be dead,i wouldnt run without justice
thirdly,I need to grow up?how many times have we told sarah that?how many times have we said if you dont grow up in this world you DIE.And im sorry but sheltered or not shes 15 and doesnt have a lick of sense.
you can make as many excuses for her as you want,she wasnt useful,you know i wouldnt be so hard on her if she at least tried to help the group.But no she has done nothing
Seeing as how you changed so mind so quickly, you probably didn't care too much about Sarah or her situation to begin with?
Some people were hoping a neuroatypical character who was a possible friend to Clementine (a female and female friendship) would develop into something extraordinary in a story of survival but nope. So sad you changed your mind so quickly when Sarah's character is a good topic of discussion.
I guess My interest in your opinion disappeared.
what to you didnt make sense?
Just because Sarah doesn't react in a way you approve doesn't mean she was a bad character or should have been left behind.
Characters don't have to prove their skills and helpfulness in order to be interesting to the narrative. This story has never been about choosing who can be the most useful to the group, and it has never been "you have to leave anyone who isn't valuable behind, and there's no choice about it."
This story was about interesting and complex characters who deal with things in different ways. Do you really want to go through the game with a bunch of clones who have no problem dealing with any of the crap they go through?
Just because Sarah was in more danger of dying than anyone else in the group does NOT mean that Telltale was right to write her off like that. Her character had so many possibilities with where they could go with it but instead her character arc is dropped with very little purpose to the plot.
What is with all the long paragraphs today?
Let him have an opinion, dude. He is entitled to his opinion and people dislike his comment and you say his opinion is wrong?
You have no right, dude. I maybe overreacting, i don't know.
But Sarah IS a person with a disability? So She is TRYING to grow up in an unnatural situation and setting with Clementine's help (if you give it.)
So unless you yourself have a disability then you wouldn't know anything about it and yet even those without can still show her great empathy and feel for her character because she is innocent. You don't have to like her character or situation but to say she deserves to be killed is MESSED UP and is OFFENSIVE to those with disabilities just as much as saying "Mike deserves to die because he's Black". Whoever says that is Racist. Not too hard to understand.
Second, if your dad was being beaten to death and you were surrounded by soldiers with a Machine gun you sure would not do jack shit or you'll get shot. Once again, she is no different than Clementine's mental state in Episode 1 at this point because her dad didn't even tell her about zombies. If your not completely paralyzed with fear, you'd be running too. Also HAHAHA, Those walkers would be dead? You'd kill them would you? Oh sure, I'd like you to wake up suddenly tomorrow in a herd of them without a weapon.
You think your so capable, but if you don't even know what a bigot is then...? What use will you be?
Thirdly, I'll repeat myself, You need to grow up. Sarah atleast is coping with her loss. She is still a child with a Mental Disability. And what she lacks in sense, you lack in any sense of morals. You don't have to be disabled to empathize with disabled characters.
She wasn't useful? Even in her goddamn Petrifying fear she warned the group of a herd of walkers. Where was Luke?
And even then her potential was there as a character. She was clearly being set up to grow (you taught her how to use a gun, told her how life is). But Telltale's writer for this episode dropped the ball and threw her character away. And you don't have to be disabled to see that a mile away.
So once again. Don't be a bigot.
Luke was exhausted the whole episode.
Kenny was sorta developed.
Carver had the worst development of any character in this whole franchise. He goes from smart antagonist to sociopathic survival nut without any development.
Bonnie did some good in 203.
Clementine is the same person in every episode. She's boring and tasteless. I love her, but the writers fucked up a damn good character.
I explained what didn't make sense in the top post. If you don't want to take the time to read it, I can't really help you.
Yeah, really.
Who would have thought anybody cared about this franchise?
I guess the thing is that I just didn't see much in Sarah that was very interesting or complex in the first place. To me, she served as a foil to Clem as a resolute and resilient young girl. I didn't see anything more to it than that.
Kenny didn't even get development all the writers made him do was blame Clem for Sarita.
Also Mark Darin hasn't been writing S2's episodes like he should be. He wrote pretty much the best episode, 102.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion but lots of other fans saw much more in Sarah than that.
They applauded Telltale for including a young girl who was not only a POC but was also clearly neurodivergent while also being portrayed as a kind and sympathetic character. Yeah, there are options to be mean to her but these were for the sake of player choice- the whole good/neutral/evil dialogue option pattern.
Sarah was a was a refreshing change in perspective and a chance for Clem to have a little friendship and solidarity instead of constantly having to deal with adults.
But in the end she was just dumped, and it was completely disrespectful not just to their fans but to their own previous writing.
If I were Putin,I'd give you a slice of Crimeea.I agree with you 10000%.I didn't saved Nick in ep2,however,on my second save file he was alive and I had some ideea for him.
I'm not saying he can't have an opinion. Maybe I came off a bit dick-ish on my reply.
And I never said his opinion was wrong. Feel free to point that out to me.
ok your right i wouldnt know about a disability,if what i said was offensive i apologies
i would rather get shot and possibly killed,than watch a mad man beat my dad.and fuck yes i would kill them or at least try im not saying i would definantly kill them,but id rather them eat me trying to avenge my fathers death than run away and let them eat him.and you know what i dont give a fuck what a bigot is,you use the word if you want but i dont give a shit.id be alot a hell more useful than sarah.
yeah so clem is a child to,as a matter of fact she is 4 years younger than sarah and has lost more than sarah ever will,i know clem wasnt sheltered as much as sarah but still age is age. and how do you know for sure she has a disability?are you her fucking doctor? do you just have her medical record lying there next to you?im not saying she doesnt,but you cant say she does.
what the hell do you mean warned the group of a herd of walkers.are you telling me the others cant hear the hundreds of walkers making noise behind them?she didnt do shit.where was luke?lets not go there.potential?what fucking potential?when she died(if you saved her)and you were pushing a cannon to block the door.what was she doing? watching.
Bottom line Its their game.and if they want to kill off a character they will. i didnt like the way they killed carley but do you hear me bitching about it?NOPE
Pretty soon we're gonna know this as Alan Smithee's The Walking Dead: Season 2
Old joke. Nevermind.