Clementine lost just as much as Kenny, and at a younger age. I don't understand how losing both of her parents, most of her friends, and Lee doesn't measure up to how much Kenny's lost. And since it wasn't her fault that Sarita died, and that was the issue at hand, how is it appropriate to just randomly bring up her past mistakes? She's a child. Of course she's accidentally cause deaths, but that was before she matured. She probably blames herself enough, anyways.
No he wasn't. Kenny lost a lot more than clementine has, he was just very emotional. And what Kenny said was true, it wasn't her fault that … moreSarita died but she did cause others to die before. What he also said about her being a little girl doesn't mean she can get people killed and make up for it by saying sorry just because she's a little girl is also true.
Well, he wasn't very successful in trying to kill Ben. But I would say that lunging at someone while screaming that you are going to kill th… moreem qualifies as an attempt, no matter how incapable he was of overcoming other's resistance in that situation.
He wasn't successful because he never attempted to kill him. You do know Kenny had a gun right? If he wanted to kill someone, I'm sure he would've used a gun rather than his fists. And threatening to beat up someone is the same as attempted murder now?
Yeah, Ben was an idiot. So let's excuse Kenny for making a bad situation worse by putting everyone at much greater risk and getting Brie killed. Let's get the door open (after kicking it for several minutes, apparently) and then have a long argument while the door is being broken down. Real smart, Kenny. Right up there with Ben.
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The thing is, he didn't just vent his anger and sadness - he targeted the thing that would really hurt Clementine (her survivor's guilt). That's not just lashing out, it's pretty vindictive.
Kenny was not "out of line" he was simply feeling a lot of emotions at once. Why are people expecting Kenny to be all hunky dory toward Cle… morem... Or anyone for that matter... When not even a while ago, Kenny lost another love of his life.
Like Rebecca said, you can't just expect him to bounce back. Of course he would blame you for her death, I mean, its his way of venting emotions, or being left alone. Yeah, he was being mean, but seriously, what did anyone really expect? You saw how Kenny handled Ducks death on the train.
There's not much reason to think she'd turn that quickly if you didn't get her killed within the herd. Death seems to speed up the process more so than the fever. Unless there's some detail I'm forgetting...
Well Rebecca does actually blame Kenny for Alvin's death if he gets killed in episode 2. And it's implied that Christa at least somewhat resents Clem for Omid's death. There's a lot of misdirected blame that goes around whenever someone's loved ones die.
Maybe for blaming her for something that wasn't her fault and then just to hurt her throwing her guilt in her face? He's not the only one w… moreho has lost people. Rebecca just lost her husband and she doesn't seem to be lashing out. But you're right. It's no less than what I expect from Kenny. Doesn't mean I like it.
Well, there was a scene in the tv show where a girl was killed and she didnt turn until the next day like ten hours later but then someone else would get bit and turn almost immediately so, you just cant be sure. But I think that Clementine was trying to givet Sarita a chance at life since getting bit is certain death. Kenny must know that so it made no sense to me him blaming her. That was my point.
There's not much reason to think she'd turn that quickly if you didn't get her killed within the herd. Death seems to speed up the process more so than the fever. Unless there's some detail I'm forgetting...
I cant blame Clementine for that. She was eight. Kids that young just think differently. She is wiser now but I dont consider what she did getting people killed and neither did Lee.
She was younger, more easily manipulated, and thought she might have a chance of seeing her parents again. If the same thing was happening to her now, she wouldn't fall for it.
At least Christa, whatever she felt, never lashed out at Clem. She still took care of her and cared about her. Off topic but where is she???
But yeah, maybe the reason it made me so angry was because I honestly felt like crying when I watched that because I felt so bad for Clem. She has been through so much and carries so much guilt already and this guy who is supposed to be her friend treats her like this? I dont know how much more she can take before she snaps herself.
Well Rebecca does actually blame Kenny for Alvin's death if he gets killed in episode 2. And it's implied that Christa at least somewhat res… moreents Clem for Omid's death. There's a lot of misdirected blame that goes around whenever someone's loved ones die.
Well we don't know whether or not she lashed out at Clem. She was a pregnant woman who just lost her spouse. Crazy shit will come out of people's mouths in that situation.
And yes. It was brutal. But speaking of Clem's guilt, I roleplay as Clem a bit more when I play so I approached the situation as though I were actually guilty, because that's how I think Clem would actually feel in that situation. Everything Kenny says to her is something she would be saying to herself. So I actually didn't end up being angry with him, because I don't think Clem would be angry at Kenny for saying what she herself thinks is true.
At least Christa, whatever she felt, never lashed out at Clem. She still took care of her and cared about her. Off topic but where is she???… more
But yeah, maybe the reason it made me so angry was because I honestly felt like crying when I watched that because I felt so bad for Clem. She has been through so much and carries so much guilt already and this guy who is supposed to be her friend treats her like this? I dont know how much more she can take before she snaps herself.
Well we don't know whether or not she lashed out at Clem. She was a pregnant woman who just lost her spouse. Crazy shit will come out of peo… moreple's mouths in that situation.
And yes. It was brutal. But speaking of Clem's guilt, I roleplay as Clem a bit more when I play so I approached the situation as though I were actually guilty, because that's how I think Clem would actually feel in that situation. Everything Kenny says to her is something she would be saying to herself. So I actually didn't end up being angry with him, because I don't think Clem would be angry at Kenny for saying what she herself thinks is true.
Well, there was a scene in the tv show where a girl was killed and she didnt turn until the next day like ten hours later but then someone else would get bit and turn almost immediately so, you just cant be sure.
Do you recall when the bolded part happened? I'm having a hard time remembering anyone turning almost immediately from a bite without getting killed first.
I get your point but I feel like she should've expected the chain of events that unfold. I guess that's down to different interpretations of her character this season (I play her as pragmatic but kind when she can afford to be).
Well, there was a scene in the tv show where a girl was killed and she didnt turn until the next day like ten hours later but then someone e… morelse would get bit and turn almost immediately so, you just cant be sure. But I think that Clementine was trying to givet Sarita a chance at life since getting bit is certain death. Kenny must know that so it made no sense to me him blaming her. That was my point.
I know right! She didn't deserve the guilt being thrown in her face. I wanted to hug her so bad after that line but Kenny walked out claiming he didn't need to hear that "sht". Again he fails to realize that he was throwing that"sht" in Clems face about a hour ago.
I never said "everyone should/does react in the same way." I merely stated Kenny's not the only one that's lost loved ones and none of them have taken their loss out on Clem.
Everyone in the group has lost loved ones and not one of them has lashed out and blame Clem for it... except Kenny!
Yeah... I'm not … moresure going "everyone should react to grief the same way" is doing your argument any favors. And I say this as someone who didn't always agree with Kenny's actions even in the first season.
I always don't know how to feel about kenny either im tired of his bitching or im glad that he's still with us in the group..also did anyone get to see kenny's eye? I could've sworn in the preview for amid the ruins he was going to show clementine his eye..
Later on he apologised. So i forgave him. And imagine yourself in that situation, if one of your family member would die because someone was trying to save them, at the first stage of grief you would blame the person who tried to save him/her as well. Was the same with Kenny. Later he said sorry, and in the state he is in right now (lost 2nd girlfriend, both lived just 3 ep's) its really fakd up.
You implied it by making the comparison between him and the others in the first place. We've had people treat Clem like shit for far less and people found a way to get over it. A serious head trauma combined with a fresh personal loss (within little over 24hrs) is more than enough of an "excuse" for his behavior this one time, IMO. Screw blanket statements about his fandom.
I never said "everyone should/does react in the same way." I merely stated Kenny's not the only one that's lost loved ones and none of them have taken their loss out on Clem.
Oh please. I'm one of clem's biggest fan but even I can understand Kenny's point of view. You guys surely underestimate what Clem can handle… more. She doesn't need her bodyguard to fight her battles for her and beat anyone who dares to talk her some truth. She's not a baby like Sarah. She stands her ground when Kenny yell at her. In season 1, she would have cried. Shows how Clem had gone a long way since her season 1 persona.
"Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand"
I did even worst than that. After I cut of her hand off I put an axe through her head before she had even died as a throwback to the meat locker scene when Kenny dropped the salt lick on Larry's head in front of Clem, hoping that she would get a chance to say I learnt that from you. What was it he said about him being the one to make the tough choices when he offed Larry? Now Clem is making the tough unpopular choices in season 2 and i'm loving it. The only thing is that I find it a lot easier in season 2 because I don't really have any real attachment to the characters this time around. Shooting Rebecca in the head, no problem, leaving Sarah in the mobile home.... fuck it, putting an axe through Sorita's head . I barely knew her.
Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand." I mean, I know there was no… more stopping it, but did you REALLY think he would be hunky dory after that and be so forgiving that quick? He has lost A LOT of close people during the apocalypse. Also, someone died. It wasn't like someone stole his hat or anything. I was still a little pissed off at Kenny though.
I might be mixing the tv show up with the comics far as the bolded part because Im trying to remember who got bit, but Im sure it has happened. I guess my Clementine is more "do what needs to be done in that moment". When I played her all I was thinking of was save Sarita so Kenny getting mad (yeah, I know he's grieving and wants to strike out at someone) upset me. But if Kenny acknowledges that he was wrong for blaming her, then I guess I could get past it.
Well, there was a scene in the tv show where a girl was killed and she didnt turn until the next day like ten hours later but then someone e… morelse would get bit and turn almost immediately so, you just cant be sure.
Do you recall when the bolded part happened? I'm having a hard time remembering anyone turning almost immediately from a bite without getting killed first.
I get your point but I feel like she should've expected the chain of events that unfold. I guess that's down to different interpretations of her character this season (I play her as pragmatic but kind when she can afford to be).
Not intentionally. o.O Like I said I understand WHY he reacted the way he did, but I still think Clem is owed an apology from him. To me Kenny's had enough chances. (Not helping to save Shawn after saving Duck, Killing Larry in the locker room right infront of Clementine without any warning, Endangering the group because he couldn't face the fact his son was bit, Killing Carver when he barely knew him and my Clem told him not to kill him to name just a few.) Like I said I understand his reasons, but his execution is poor.
I'm not trying to start an argument though so we shall have to agree to disagree and this is the last I'll say about it.
You implied it by making the comparison between him and the others in the first place. We've had people treat Clem like shit for far less an… mored people found a way to get over it. A serious head trauma combined with a fresh personal loss (within little over 24hrs) is more than enough of an "excuse" for his behavior this one time, IMO. Screw blanket statements about his fandom.
Kenny didn't grab his gun because he wanted to beat him to death. He wanted to savor it. And because he's an idiot.
What? LOL, where did you get this assumption. If Kenny wanted to kill Ben, tell me why didn't he make an attempt on his life after the incident in Crawford? and no, him apparently "telling" Lee to drop him doesn't count as his attempt to kill him. If he wanted Ben to suffer then why was he the first to go down the alley to check if Ben was OK after he fell? and if Kenny is that much of an idiot then the group wouldn't be alive as he is the so called idiot that fixed the RV that saved everyone.
Just because everyone stopped to calm Kenny down doesn't excuse Kenny's own idiocy and lack of sense of the moment.
Lee, Christa, Vernon & Brie were in the room and they were happy to participate in the discussion but somehow it's "all" Kenny's fault.
I'm not giving Kenny any special credit for wanting to get his ass kicked so he could feel like a leader.
It seems you played a different game. So let's get this right, you think Kenny got himself beaten half to death was just so he can feel like a leader? So it had nothing to do with protecting a little girl?
Kenny didn't grab his gun because he wanted to beat him to death. He wanted to savor it. And because he's an idiot.
Just because everyone… more stopped to calm Kenny down doesn't excuse Kenny's own idiocy and lack of sense of the moment.
I'm not giving Kenny any special credit for wanting to get his ass kicked so he could feel like a leader.
Kenny's later actions do not determine his prior intent. He obviously had a change of heart once he temporarily realized how much of an ass he is. After everyone had to waste time calming him down.
I never said it's "all" Kenny's fault. I'm just saying that Kenny is an unreliable idiot with no sense of the moment, and that that was an example. If you want to absolve him by suggesting that others are partially at fault, too, that still doesn't make Kenny any less dumb.
As for the last question, what makes them mutually exclusive? Kenny occasionally gets a spurt of nobility. Hey, good for him. He's an idiot with a death wish.
Kenny didn't grab his gun because he wanted to beat him to death. He wanted to savor it. And because he's an idiot.
What? LOL, where… more did you get this assumption. If Kenny wanted to kill Ben, tell me why didn't he make an attempt on his life after the incident in Crawford? and no, him apparently "telling" Lee to drop him doesn't count as his attempt to kill him. If he wanted Ben to suffer then why was he the first to go down the alley to check if Ben was OK after he fell? and if Kenny is that much of an idiot then the group wouldn't be alive as he is the so called idiot that fixed the RV that saved everyone.
Just because everyone stopped to calm Kenny down doesn't excuse Kenny's own idiocy and lack of sense of the moment.
Lee, Christa, Vernon & Brie were in the room and they were happy to participate in the discussion but somehow it's "all" Kenny's fault.
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I can understand Kenny being upset when Clem cuts off Sarita's arm. But if Kenny says the same thing when Clem whacks the zombie, that seems a little out there. What was she supposed to do? Let the zombie munch away?
Kenny's later actions do not determine his prior intent. He obviously had a change of heart once he temporarily realized how much of an ass he is. After everyone had to waste time calming him down.
That was a quick change of heart wasn't it? Doesn't determine his prior intent? He wanted brutally murder Ben for getting his family killed so much that he let it all go after getting out of Crawford? I don't think he saw how much of an ass he was to Ben since he still treated him like crap so clearly he's still angry with him. He had a weapon to kill Ben but doesn't use it and instead wanted to beat him to death to savor the moment? This is all assumption, Ben was even right in front of him and he still didn't do anything, he didn't even throw any punches so him wanting to beat Ben to death seems unlikely considering he never even attempted to beat him after being held back by Lee & Vernon.
I never said it's "all" Kenny's fault. I'm just saying that Kenny is an unreliable idiot with no sense of the moment, and that that was an example. If you want to absolve him by suggesting that others are partially at fault, too, that still doesn't make Kenny any less dumb.
But you seemed to be pinning it all on him. Not even acknowledging the others, you only seemed to be focused on Kenny.
As for the last question, what makes them mutually exclusive? Kenny occasionally gets a spurt of nobility. Hey, good for him. He's an idiot with a death wish.
He knew what Carver was like and I'm sure he had a feeling what Carver would do so how is he gonna be a leader if he's dead? You think he would take the blame for anybody else(other than Sarita & Clementine) just so he can be a leader? When Carver had Alvin at gunpoint, he was not hesitant to shoot at him but when he had Clementine at gun point, he surrendered. Even after they all escaped from Carver, he wanted to be left alone in the tent, yeah you can tell how much he wanted the "leadership" role that he wanted to be alone instead of being in charge and giving orders. Being a leader was the last thing on his mind when he took the blame for Clementine knowing that Carver may kill him. You seem to be throwing the word "idiot" out a lot, let me guess, you're a Lilly fan?
Kenny's later actions do not determine his prior intent. He obviously had a change of heart once he temporarily realized how much of an ass … morehe is. After everyone had to waste time calming him down.
I never said it's "all" Kenny's fault. I'm just saying that Kenny is an unreliable idiot with no sense of the moment, and that that was an example. If you want to absolve him by suggesting that others are partially at fault, too, that still doesn't make Kenny any less dumb.
As for the last question, what makes them mutually exclusive? Kenny occasionally gets a spurt of nobility. Hey, good for him. He's an idiot with a death wish.
I always don't know how to feel about kenny either im tired of his bitching or im glad that he's still with us in the group..also did anyone… more get to see kenny's eye? I could've sworn in the preview for amid the ruins he was going to show clementine his eye..
It's called "heat of passion." It subsides. Kenny's a guy who has no control over his emotions and is willing to allow someone to die for not having his back, and then change his mind a second later. If you doubt this, replay Season 1 and side with Lilly a few times.
This was a discussion about Kenny. He is the one who can't control his emotions. He was the one that wasn't going to calm down and leave until everyone calmed him down. But if we want to talk about all of the stupidity of people waiting around while zombies are trying to break through a door, and the poor writing of having everyone lose sense of the moment, you're welcome to keep talking about it, but It still doesn't absolve Kenny.
So Kenny has a preference for Clementine because he knows her. Again, good for him. No, he wouldn't take the blame for anyone else, because Clementine is the only one who wouldn't be considered a coward for not taking her own blame. Even if it was a great thing he did for Clementine, it's simply not enough. There's really just not enough that the guy can do to make up for how unstable he is.
Lilly fan? Before she went psycho, I preferred her to Kenny. I mean, he's fine if you always agree with him. Disagree with him on anything, though, and he's happy to let you die the next second.
Kenny's later actions do not determine his prior intent. He obviously had a change of heart once he temporarily realized how much of an ass … morehe is. After everyone had to waste time calming him down.
That was a quick change of heart wasn't it? Doesn't determine his prior intent? He wanted brutally murder Ben for getting his family killed so much that he let it all go after getting out of Crawford? I don't think he saw how much of an ass he was to Ben since he still treated him like crap so clearly he's still angry with him. He had a weapon to kill Ben but doesn't use it and instead wanted to beat him to death to savor the moment? This is all assumption, Ben was even right in front of him and he still didn't do anything, he didn't even throw any punches so him wanting to beat Ben to death seems unlikely considering he never even attempted to beat him after being held back by Lee & Vernon.
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I suppose Kenny is just looking for someone to blame for his suffering perhaps subconsciously he wants to push people away so he can be alone with his misery? I don't know. I feel like in that scenario Kenny blames Clementine for not being quicker or something, I don't know. The plan went to hell.
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Clementine lost just as much as Kenny, and at a younger age. I don't understand how losing both of her parents, most of her friends, and Lee doesn't measure up to how much Kenny's lost. And since it wasn't her fault that Sarita died, and that was the issue at hand, how is it appropriate to just randomly bring up her past mistakes? She's a child. Of course she's accidentally cause deaths, but that was before she matured. She probably blames herself enough, anyways.
Kenny didn't grab his gun because he wanted to beat him to death. He wanted to savor it. And because he's an idiot.
Just because everyone stopped to calm Kenny down doesn't excuse Kenny's own idiocy and lack of sense of the moment.
I'm not giving Kenny any special credit for wanting to get his ass kicked so he could feel like a leader.
The thing is, he didn't just vent his anger and sadness - he targeted the thing that would really hurt Clementine (her survivor's guilt). That's not just lashing out, it's pretty vindictive.
There's not much reason to think she'd turn that quickly if you didn't get her killed within the herd. Death seems to speed up the process more so than the fever. Unless there's some detail I'm forgetting...
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Well Rebecca does actually blame Kenny for Alvin's death if he gets killed in episode 2. And it's implied that Christa at least somewhat resents Clem for Omid's death. There's a lot of misdirected blame that goes around whenever someone's loved ones die.
Well, there was a scene in the tv show where a girl was killed and she didnt turn until the next day like ten hours later but then someone else would get bit and turn almost immediately so, you just cant be sure. But I think that Clementine was trying to givet Sarita a chance at life since getting bit is certain death. Kenny must know that so it made no sense to me him blaming her. That was my point.
I cant blame Clementine for that. She was eight. Kids that young just think differently. She is wiser now but I dont consider what she did getting people killed and neither did Lee.
At least Christa, whatever she felt, never lashed out at Clem. She still took care of her and cared about her. Off topic but where is she???
But yeah, maybe the reason it made me so angry was because I honestly felt like crying when I watched that because I felt so bad for Clem. She has been through so much and carries so much guilt already and this guy who is supposed to be her friend treats her like this? I dont know how much more she can take before she snaps herself.
Well we don't know whether or not she lashed out at Clem. She was a pregnant woman who just lost her spouse. Crazy shit will come out of people's mouths in that situation.
And yes. It was brutal. But speaking of Clem's guilt, I roleplay as Clem a bit more when I play so I approached the situation as though I were actually guilty, because that's how I think Clem would actually feel in that situation. Everything Kenny says to her is something she would be saying to herself. So I actually didn't end up being angry with him, because I don't think Clem would be angry at Kenny for saying what she herself thinks is true.
Feeding into her self-loathing. Thats what makes me worry for her. As strong as she is, everyone has a limit.
Do you recall when the bolded part happened? I'm having a hard time remembering anyone turning almost immediately from a bite without getting killed first.
I get your point but I feel like she should've expected the chain of events that unfold. I guess that's down to different interpretations of her character this season (I play her as pragmatic but kind when she can afford to be).
I know right! She didn't deserve the guilt being thrown in her face. I wanted to hug her so bad after that line but Kenny walked out claiming he didn't need to hear that "sht". Again he fails to realize that he was throwing that"sht" in Clems face about a hour ago.
I never said "everyone should/does react in the same way." I merely stated Kenny's not the only one that's lost loved ones and none of them have taken their loss out on Clem.
I always don't know how to feel about kenny either im tired of his bitching or im glad that he's still with us in the group..also did anyone get to see kenny's eye? I could've sworn in the preview for amid the ruins he was going to show clementine his eye..
Later on he apologised. So i forgave him. And imagine yourself in that situation, if one of your family member would die because someone was trying to save them, at the first stage of grief you would blame the person who tried to save him/her as well. Was the same with Kenny. Later he said sorry, and in the state he is in right now (lost 2nd girlfriend, both lived just 3 ep's) its really fakd up.
If you choose to be silent the second time you you have the option to speak in the tent, he says it.
You implied it by making the comparison between him and the others in the first place. We've had people treat Clem like shit for far less and people found a way to get over it. A serious head trauma combined with a fresh personal loss (within little over 24hrs) is more than enough of an "excuse" for his behavior this one time, IMO. Screw blanket statements about his fandom.
All of my yes.
"Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand"
I did even worst than that. After I cut of her hand off I put an axe through her head before she had even died as a throwback to the meat locker scene when Kenny dropped the salt lick on Larry's head in front of Clem, hoping that she would get a chance to say I learnt that from you. What was it he said about him being the one to make the tough choices when he offed Larry? Now Clem is making the tough unpopular choices in season 2 and i'm loving it. The only thing is that I find it a lot easier in season 2 because I don't really have any real attachment to the characters this time around. Shooting Rebecca in the head, no problem, leaving Sarah in the mobile home.... fuck it, putting an axe through Sorita's head . I barely knew her.
I might be mixing the tv show up with the comics far as the bolded part because Im trying to remember who got bit, but Im sure it has happened. I guess my Clementine is more "do what needs to be done in that moment". When I played her all I was thinking of was save Sarita so Kenny getting mad (yeah, I know he's grieving and wants to strike out at someone) upset me. But if Kenny acknowledges that he was wrong for blaming her, then I guess I could get past it.
Not intentionally. o.O Like I said I understand WHY he reacted the way he did, but I still think Clem is owed an apology from him. To me Kenny's had enough chances. (Not helping to save Shawn after saving Duck, Killing Larry in the locker room right infront of Clementine without any warning, Endangering the group because he couldn't face the fact his son was bit, Killing Carver when he barely knew him and my Clem told him not to kill him to name just a few.) Like I said I understand his reasons, but his execution is poor.
I'm not trying to start an argument though so we shall have to agree to disagree and this is the last I'll say about it.
she beated up walter tough lol
What? LOL, where did you get this assumption. If Kenny wanted to kill Ben, tell me why didn't he make an attempt on his life after the incident in Crawford? and no, him apparently "telling" Lee to drop him doesn't count as his attempt to kill him. If he wanted Ben to suffer then why was he the first to go down the alley to check if Ben was OK after he fell? and if Kenny is that much of an idiot then the group wouldn't be alive as he is the so called idiot that fixed the RV that saved everyone.
Lee, Christa, Vernon & Brie were in the room and they were happy to participate in the discussion but somehow it's "all" Kenny's fault.
It seems you played a different game. So let's get this right, you think Kenny got himself beaten half to death was just so he can feel like a leader? So it had nothing to do with protecting a little girl?
He didn't blame her in my game. Jesus, you're all so impulsive, thinking chopping someone's arm off in the middle of a zombie herd is a good idea.
Kenny's later actions do not determine his prior intent. He obviously had a change of heart once he temporarily realized how much of an ass he is. After everyone had to waste time calming him down.
I never said it's "all" Kenny's fault. I'm just saying that Kenny is an unreliable idiot with no sense of the moment, and that that was an example. If you want to absolve him by suggesting that others are partially at fault, too, that still doesn't make Kenny any less dumb.
As for the last question, what makes them mutually exclusive? Kenny occasionally gets a spurt of nobility. Hey, good for him. He's an idiot with a death wish.
It has to be done immediately if it has any chance of working. Thats been established.
Well, I guess that's it. He really didn't mean it
I can understand Kenny being upset when Clem cuts off Sarita's arm. But if Kenny says the same thing when Clem whacks the zombie, that seems a little out there. What was she supposed to do? Let the zombie munch away?
I tried both ways, and he STILL blames Clementine. -__-
What do you mean he didn't mean it? No matter what you say to him IN the tent, when he goes OUT of the tent, he has a change of heart.
That was a quick change of heart wasn't it? Doesn't determine his prior intent? He wanted brutally murder Ben for getting his family killed so much that he let it all go after getting out of Crawford? I don't think he saw how much of an ass he was to Ben since he still treated him like crap so clearly he's still angry with him. He had a weapon to kill Ben but doesn't use it and instead wanted to beat him to death to savor the moment? This is all assumption, Ben was even right in front of him and he still didn't do anything, he didn't even throw any punches so him wanting to beat Ben to death seems unlikely considering he never even attempted to beat him after being held back by Lee & Vernon.
But you seemed to be pinning it all on him. Not even acknowledging the others, you only seemed to be focused on Kenny.
He knew what Carver was like and I'm sure he had a feeling what Carver would do so how is he gonna be a leader if he's dead? You think he would take the blame for anybody else(other than Sarita & Clementine) just so he can be a leader? When Carver had Alvin at gunpoint, he was not hesitant to shoot at him but when he had Clementine at gun point, he surrendered. Even after they all escaped from Carver, he wanted to be left alone in the tent, yeah you can tell how much he wanted the "leadership" role that he wanted to be alone instead of being in charge and giving orders. Being a leader was the last thing on his mind when he took the blame for Clementine knowing that Carver may kill him. You seem to be throwing the word "idiot" out a lot, let me guess, you're a Lilly fan?
She feels guilty. She has an option to say that she ran away and Lee died to save her.
or a Talk.
Nah it's not possible but you can see it for a little while if you say it might be infected but Luke interrupts.
Telltale was just trolling you showing Reggie because it worked FOR HIM but it was ONE walker not inside a HERD.
Think people think ? What happens if you start shouting infront of 10,000 zombies?
I guess telltale was lazy.
It's called "heat of passion." It subsides. Kenny's a guy who has no control over his emotions and is willing to allow someone to die for not having his back, and then change his mind a second later. If you doubt this, replay Season 1 and side with Lilly a few times.
This was a discussion about Kenny. He is the one who can't control his emotions. He was the one that wasn't going to calm down and leave until everyone calmed him down. But if we want to talk about all of the stupidity of people waiting around while zombies are trying to break through a door, and the poor writing of having everyone lose sense of the moment, you're welcome to keep talking about it, but It still doesn't absolve Kenny.
So Kenny has a preference for Clementine because he knows her. Again, good for him. No, he wouldn't take the blame for anyone else, because Clementine is the only one who wouldn't be considered a coward for not taking her own blame. Even if it was a great thing he did for Clementine, it's simply not enough. There's really just not enough that the guy can do to make up for how unstable he is.
Lilly fan? Before she went psycho, I preferred her to Kenny. I mean, he's fine if you always agree with him. Disagree with him on anything, though, and he's happy to let you die the next second.
I suppose Kenny is just looking for someone to blame for his suffering perhaps subconsciously he wants to push people away so he can be alone with his misery? I don't know. I feel like in that scenario Kenny blames Clementine for not being quicker or something, I don't know. The plan went to hell.
He has anger-issues. But seriously, even Sarita was shocked !