Actually, considering the maturity level present in most posts I'd say this forum is mostly populated by people who are under 16 and lack the ability to discuss any matter in a dignified manner.
Actually, considering the maturity level present in most posts I'd say this forum is mostly populated by people who are under 16 and lack the ability to discuss any matter in a dignified manner.
It's like Lizzie from the TV show. She didn't know what she was doing was wrong, but she needed to be put down for the safety of everyone else... but that doesn't mean people enjoyed doing/watching it.
I think the bigger issue concerning disabled people and Sarah is that you shouldn't react to their deaths with vindictive glee. It's one thi… moreng to realize that someone is being a burden and finding it necessary to eliminate them to ensure everyone else's safety. But acting like it's Christmas morning upon watching this supposed burden suffer one of the most painful and brutal deaths in the series thus far is... pretty disturbing.
Why are people trying to merge this site and Tumblr together? This site is toxic enough, if you throw tumblr into the mix the internet would "cease to function."
Sarah didn't attempt to murder other members of the group and willfully put their lives into danger by purposely luring walkers into the camp. If anything, Sarah tried to learn how to protect herself and the group, to the point where she planned to teach herself how to shoot and asked Clementine for advice.
And yes, while I'm sure many players didn't enjoy doing it, OP was talking about Telltale's intent. And Telltale chooses to agree and support Greg when Greg says how much he enjoyed watching Sarah die. They could have politely defended Sarah (the same way Erin Yvette defended Bonnie when Greg was saying how much he hated her in a previous episode of Playing Dead), but they didn't, and they then went on to actively encourage him.
It's like Lizzie from the TV show. She didn't know what she was doing was wrong, but she needed to be put down for the safety of everyone else... but that doesn't mean people enjoyed doing/watching it.
Yeah, I don't really get why people seem to believe Sarah was some kind of huge threat. She got a whopping zero people killed (more than Ben or Kenny can say), and she was surprisingly capable for someone who was sheltered for so long. For one thing, she evaded Carver in the cabin in spite of her panic attack, which was pretty impressive. She also had the initiative to ask Clem to train her to defend herself.
Sarah didn't attempt to murder other members of the group and willfully put their lives into danger by purposely luring walkers into the cam… morep. If anything, Sarah tried to learn how to protect herself and the group, to the point where she planned to teach herself how to shoot and asked Clementine for advice.
And yes, while I'm sure many players didn't enjoy doing it, OP was talking about Telltale's intent. And Telltale chooses to agree and support Greg when Greg says how much he enjoyed watching Sarah die. They could have politely defended Sarah (the same way Erin Yvette defended Bonnie when Greg was saying how much he hated her in a previous episode of Playing Dead), but they didn't, and they then went on to actively encourage him.
I'm not saying Sarah was a threat - that was part of the problem, she wasn't a threat to anyone or anything, especially walkers. But that's not the point, the point is they were both clueless, and that cluelessness is what lead up to their deaths, however shitty they may be.
Sarah didn't attempt to murder other members of the group and willfully put their lives into danger by purposely luring walkers into the cam… morep. If anything, Sarah tried to learn how to protect herself and the group, to the point where she planned to teach herself how to shoot and asked Clementine for advice.
And yes, while I'm sure many players didn't enjoy doing it, OP was talking about Telltale's intent. And Telltale chooses to agree and support Greg when Greg says how much he enjoyed watching Sarah die. They could have politely defended Sarah (the same way Erin Yvette defended Bonnie when Greg was saying how much he hated her in a previous episode of Playing Dead), but they didn't, and they then went on to actively encourage him.
I've chimed in this before, I never thought of Sarah as a burden, or disappointment. She saved Clementine's life. She was just a innocent goofy kid, and i felt sorry for her until the very end. I think what Greg said was extremely out there, and should be held accountable for it. Is he a misogynist? Who knows, but i do find it disturbing that a grown man would find happiness in a girl's death. To me this shows a lack of maturity. maybe he was trying to be funny, but the joke didn't land.
I've chimed in this before, I never thought of Sarah as a burden, or disappointment. She saved Clementine's life. She was just a innocent… more goofy kid, and i felt sorry for her until the very end. I think what Greg said was extremely out there, and should be held accountable for it. Is he a misogynist? Who knows, but i do find it disturbing that a grown man would find happiness in a girl's death. To me this shows a lack of maturity. maybe he was trying to be funny, but the joke didn't land.
I agree with this post mostly.
But Sarah really wasn't clueless. She knew what walkers were, and that they were dangerous. She also knew the world was dangerous enough that it warranted learning to defend herself. In spite of her father holding her back, she still knew that "Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." The same piece of wisdom Lee can share with Clem back in Season One.
I'm not saying Sarah was a threat - that was part of the problem, she wasn't a threat to anyone or anything, especially walkers. But that's … morenot the point, the point is they were both clueless, and that cluelessness is what lead up to their deaths, however shitty they may be.
Let me rephrase it - Sarah was clueless as she didn't know how to survive in an apocalypse, let alone defend herself (bonus points for asking Clem, but that never amounted to anything) and Lizzie was clueless as she didn't see walkers for what they were.
But Sarah really wasn't clueless. She knew what walkers were, and that they were dangerous. She also knew the world was dangerous enough tha… moret it warranted learning to defend herself. In spite of her father holding her back, she still knew that "Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." The same piece of wisdom Lee can share with Clem back in Season One.
ok so how the hell is tumblr toxic? This is a disgusting situation and they're trying to get telltale to apologize. The only reason why this site is toxic is because of you who find this kind of behavior and actions acceptable.
Why are people trying to merge this site and Tumblr together? This site is toxic enough, if you throw tumblr into the mix the internet would "cease to function."
Let me rephrase it - Sarah was clueless as she didn't know how to survive in an apocalypse, let alone defend herself (bonus points for askin… moreg Clem, but that never amounted to anything) and Lizzie was clueless as she didn't see walkers for what they were.
So it seems like a lot of the hate towards Greg Miller is due to the fact that he found joy in seeing Sarah, a character he didn't like, die. But this is something that gamers and other patrons of fiction do all the time. Don't pretend like it's some cardinal sin that only "monsters" like Greg Miller are capable of. I think a lot of us, at one time or another, have found it enjoyable to see a particular character that we don't like and find annoying be killed off.
For those of you who are Star Wars fans, how many of you would react with outrage at a gleeful reaction towards the death of, say, Jar Jar Binks? Not many of you, I'm guessing. And it's not as if the character has done something evil or immoral. People hate him because he's annoying and cumbersome. People hate him for being who he is. People hate his character for existing. And I, personally, agree. I don't think that makes me a monster. I think it makes me a Star Wars fan.
For those of you who are less familiar with Star Wars, imagine there was a character like Greg Miller in the Walking Dead. In fact, imagine that the character was based off of Greg Miller. Now imagine that this character, after constantly talking about how annoying the other survivors are for being burdens and putting other people's lives at risk, sudden finds himself fallen surrounded by walkers, about to be torn apart, and yelling for someone to save him. Based on a lot of the posts I've read on here, I'm betting that a lot of you would find this sequence fairly enjoyable and cathartic.
Would this make you all monsters? No. Does this mean that you all would actually enjoy it if Greg Miller were, in real life, killed in a violent way in front of you? Fuck no. (At least I hope that's the case.) Because reactions to fictional events do not always match reactions to real life events. Even a relatively "serious" and "realistic" piece of fiction like The Walking Dead can be enjoyed on levels that aren't serious and realistic.
Now this is not to say that Greg's reaction to Sarah wasn't in some ways problematic. But I think it's important to look at the issue more objectively to really zero in on why we find his behavior so objectionable, rather than just reducing the outrage to "Oh my God, how could you have wanted to see a child die??!!"
Walkers: Hey Sarah..
Sarah: Hey..
Walkers: Sorry we ate your dad. You see, we're dead. And our stomachs can't tell us when we're full.… more Really.. we didn't mean too. Here's some flowers
Sarah: Really? Wow these are nic...
Walkers start devouring Sarah apart
Sarah: DADDYYYYYYYYY AHHHHH THEY'RE HURTING ME
PLOT TWIST: The Walkers weren't talking. It was just Sarah's imagination. She got the attention of the walkers by talking to herself.
So it seems like a lot of the hate towards Greg Miller is due to the fact that he found joy in seeing Sarah, a character he didn't like, die… more. But this is something that gamers and other patrons of fiction do all the time. Don't pretend like it's some cardinal sin that only "monsters" like Greg Miller are capable of. I think a lot of us, at one time or another, have found it enjoyable to see a particular character that we don't like and find annoying be killed off.
For those of you who are Star Wars fans, how many of you would react with outrage at a gleeful reaction towards the death of, say, Jar Jar Binks? Not many of you, I'm guessing. And it's not as if the character has done something evil or immoral. People hate him because he's annoying and cumbersome. People hate him for being who he is. People hate his character for existing. And I, personally, agree. I don't think that makes me a monster. I think it makes me a Star Wars fan.
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How is Tumblr toxic? Do I really need to answer that? You've just turned on me for no good reason, plus seeming to believe I think it's acceptable!? You my friend, show how Tumblr is a toxic community.
ok so how the hell is tumblr toxic? This is a disgusting situation and they're trying to get telltale to apologize. The only reason why this site is toxic is because of you who find this kind of behavior and actions acceptable.
How is Tumblr toxic? Do I really need to answer that? You've just turned on me for no good reason, plus seeming to believe I think it's acceptable!? You my friend, show how Tumblr is a toxic community.
If the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow do you think the zombies would go only after the non-disabled?
"Well, if we ate this man in the wheelchair alive, we'd be ableists, so let's just avoid him"
Get real. Can the "neurodivergent" BS. She was a sheltered little girl (that many found very obnoxious due to varied reasons) that didn't adapt to the world around her. She saw her father get his throat torn open by zombies. Without actually being taught how to adapt to the world, she shut down and became a major liability. So she's dead now.
In a world where people cut off limbs to avoid turning, yet still survive and kickass, your SJW arguments simply aren't going to hold water.
Yeah, I can get behind that. What I don't understand is what exactly would prompt people to hate Sarah to the point that they'd enjoy her brutal death. I mean, I understand some people dislike her because she wasn't very useful, but it's not like she got anyone killed or hurt anyone. Just what warranted the death wishes? She was nowhere near as annoying as Jar Jar after all. Then again, I'm not sure anyone is...
The difference is, this game isn't real life. The universe of TWD isn't dictated by God or fate or chance or whatever. It's dictated by writers and staff. And the writers chose to mock a character that represented a very real, very marginalized group of people in the Playing Dead interview, mocking her character and talking about how many (real) people wanted her dead.
No one was asking for Sarah to live for the whole series. But her death was BS. From a writing perspective, it sucked; there was no point to it, other than to prove Jane's "survival of the fittest" worldview. The very same worldview we were supposed to object to in season one, when it was presented by Crawford.
Since when did the forums become Tumblr?
If the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow do you think the zombies would go only after the non-… moredisabled?
"Well, if we ate this man in the wheelchair alive, we'd be ableists, so let's just avoid him"
Get real. Can the "neurodivergent" BS. She was a sheltered little girl (that many found very obnoxious due to varied reasons) that didn't adapt to the world around her. She saw her father get his throat torn open by zombies. Without actually being taught how to adapt to the world, she shut down and became a major liability. So she's dead now.
In a world where people cut off limbs to avoid turning, yet still survive and kickass, your SJW arguments simply aren't going to hold water.
Walkers: Hey Sarah..
Sarah: Hey..
Walkers: Sorry we ate your dad. You see, we're dead. And our stomachs can't tell us when we're full.… more Really.. we didn't mean too. Here's some flowers
Sarah: Really? Wow these are nic...
Walkers start devouring Sarah apart
Sarah: DADDYYYYYYYYY AHHHHH THEY'RE HURTING ME
PLOT TWIST: The Walkers weren't talking. It was just Sarah's imagination. She got the attention of the walkers by talking to herself.
The difference is, this game isn't real life. The universe of TWD isn't dictated by God or fate or chance or whatever. It's dictated by writ… moreers and staff. And the writers chose to mock a character that represented a very real, very marginalized group of people in the Playing Dead interview, mocking her character and talking about how many (real) people wanted her dead.
No one was asking for Sarah to live for the whole series. But her death was BS. From a writing perspective, it sucked; there was no point to it, other than to prove Jane's "survival of the fittest" worldview. The very same worldview we were supposed to object to in season one, when it was presented by Crawford.
Not really... Lee helped Clementine survive when he easily could have left her. In a "survival of the fittest" universe, he would have tossed a knife to her and said "hey, thanks for the help with that babysitter lady, kid, but you're on your own now." He also would have ditched Ben/Travis/Mr. Parker. Crawford also would have been painted in a much more sympathetic light. TWD is about humanity, not killing others to get ahead.
But a world like The Walking Dead, which has been established for a decade has very much been survival of the fittest.
Characters in the … moreseries "object" to it but it doesn't mean they lasted.
Sometimes the new world is a shit place.
Sarah was a character that represented ignorance to survival. Not her fault, either, mind you.
You have to survive. You have to make difficult choices. You have to adapt. Sarah was sheltered for too long to do any of that.
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Actually, considering the maturity level present in most posts I'd say this forum is mostly populated by people who are under 16 and lack the ability to discuss any matter in a dignified manner.
Hey, let's not generalize based on age, I fit that age range
It's like Lizzie from the TV show. She didn't know what she was doing was wrong, but she needed to be put down for the safety of everyone else... but that doesn't mean people enjoyed doing/watching it.
I hope you're joking... if not, get out.
Ha, sorry, no offense. I'm aware there are plenty of mature people within that age range but I'd say they're few and far between.
It's true since you're proving it right now and do you see me laugh or something? No boy.
Why are people trying to merge this site and Tumblr together? This site is toxic enough, if you throw tumblr into the mix the internet would "cease to function."
Oh come on, I support Sarah but there's no need to be that rude.
Not all of us,
Sarah didn't attempt to murder other members of the group and willfully put their lives into danger by purposely luring walkers into the camp. If anything, Sarah tried to learn how to protect herself and the group, to the point where she planned to teach herself how to shoot and asked Clementine for advice.
And yes, while I'm sure many players didn't enjoy doing it, OP was talking about Telltale's intent. And Telltale chooses to agree and support Greg when Greg says how much he enjoyed watching Sarah die. They could have politely defended Sarah (the same way Erin Yvette defended Bonnie when Greg was saying how much he hated her in a previous episode of Playing Dead), but they didn't, and they then went on to actively encourage him.
Telltale games is a privately owned company. The last thing anyone wants is to bring political correctness in their games.
Let them be!
If you don't like it, then please, just don't play the game!
Yeah, I don't really get why people seem to believe Sarah was some kind of huge threat. She got a whopping zero people killed (more than Ben or Kenny can say), and she was surprisingly capable for someone who was sheltered for so long. For one thing, she evaded Carver in the cabin in spite of her panic attack, which was pretty impressive. She also had the initiative to ask Clem to train her to defend herself.
White males? I'm done...
I'm not saying Sarah was a threat - that was part of the problem, she wasn't a threat to anyone or anything, especially walkers. But that's not the point, the point is they were both clueless, and that cluelessness is what lead up to their deaths, however shitty they may be.
While I don't know what "cis males" mean, "white males" says a lot already...
I've chimed in this before, I never thought of Sarah as a burden, or disappointment. She saved Clementine's life. She was just a innocent goofy kid, and i felt sorry for her until the very end. I think what Greg said was extremely out there, and should be held accountable for it. Is he a misogynist? Who knows, but i do find it disturbing that a grown man would find happiness in a girl's death. To me this shows a lack of maturity. maybe he was trying to be funny, but the joke didn't land.
I agree with this post mostly.
Walkers: Hey Sarah..
Sarah: Hey..
Walkers: Sorry we ate your dad. You see, we're dead. And our stomachs can't tell us when we're full. Really.. we didn't mean too. Here's some flowers
Sarah: Really? Wow these are nic...
Walkers start devouring Sarah apart
Sarah: DADDYYYYYYYYY AHHHHH THEY'RE HURTING ME
PLOT TWIST: The Walkers weren't talking. It was just Sarah's imagination. She got the attention of the walkers by talking to herself.
fixed it for you
But Sarah really wasn't clueless. She knew what walkers were, and that they were dangerous. She also knew the world was dangerous enough that it warranted learning to defend herself. In spite of her father holding her back, she still knew that "Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." The same piece of wisdom Lee can share with Clem back in Season One.
Let me rephrase it - Sarah was clueless as she didn't know how to survive in an apocalypse, let alone defend herself (bonus points for asking Clem, but that never amounted to anything) and Lizzie was clueless as she didn't see walkers for what they were.
ok so how the hell is tumblr toxic? This is a disgusting situation and they're trying to get telltale to apologize. The only reason why this site is toxic is because of you who find this kind of behavior and actions acceptable.
Fair enough. At least Sarah was nowhere near as clueless and dangerous as Lizzie.
So it seems like a lot of the hate towards Greg Miller is due to the fact that he found joy in seeing Sarah, a character he didn't like, die. But this is something that gamers and other patrons of fiction do all the time. Don't pretend like it's some cardinal sin that only "monsters" like Greg Miller are capable of. I think a lot of us, at one time or another, have found it enjoyable to see a particular character that we don't like and find annoying be killed off.
For those of you who are Star Wars fans, how many of you would react with outrage at a gleeful reaction towards the death of, say, Jar Jar Binks? Not many of you, I'm guessing. And it's not as if the character has done something evil or immoral. People hate him because he's annoying and cumbersome. People hate him for being who he is. People hate his character for existing. And I, personally, agree. I don't think that makes me a monster. I think it makes me a Star Wars fan.
For those of you who are less familiar with Star Wars, imagine there was a character like Greg Miller in the Walking Dead. In fact, imagine that the character was based off of Greg Miller. Now imagine that this character, after constantly talking about how annoying the other survivors are for being burdens and putting other people's lives at risk, sudden finds himself fallen surrounded by walkers, about to be torn apart, and yelling for someone to save him. Based on a lot of the posts I've read on here, I'm betting that a lot of you would find this sequence fairly enjoyable and cathartic.
Would this make you all monsters? No. Does this mean that you all would actually enjoy it if Greg Miller were, in real life, killed in a violent way in front of you? Fuck no. (At least I hope that's the case.) Because reactions to fictional events do not always match reactions to real life events. Even a relatively "serious" and "realistic" piece of fiction like The Walking Dead can be enjoyed on levels that aren't serious and realistic.
Now this is not to say that Greg's reaction to Sarah wasn't in some ways problematic. But I think it's important to look at the issue more objectively to really zero in on why we find his behavior so objectionable, rather than just reducing the outrage to "Oh my God, how could you have wanted to see a child die??!!"
Sarah represents real people with real mental disorders. Greg said he wanted her to die because "she wasn't normal."
Opinions like that don't just stay within the confines of fictional universes.
Thank god. But at least Lizzie knew how to defend herself which saved her life several times... apart from, you know, looking at the flowers.
but i'm not being rude, where in my comments am I being rude?
This is just me, but I wouldn't really enjoy a Jar Jar Binks/ Greg Miller death scene. I'd feel relief, maybe, but not vindictive glee.
How is Tumblr toxic? Do I really need to answer that? You've just turned on me for no good reason, plus seeming to believe I think it's acceptable!? You my friend, show how Tumblr is a toxic community.
Vote for the post. Sarah's death would happen at any time but Telltale Games should not treat her like crap for not being "normal".
Greg Miller has always been a jerk everyone knows him but I doubt he is hopelessly sexist.
That's fair. I'm just pointing out that the people who would enjoy those death scenes shouldn't necessarily be made out to be monsters.
x lol
Since when did the forums become Tumblr?
If the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow do you think the zombies would go only after the non-disabled?
"Well, if we ate this man in the wheelchair alive, we'd be ableists, so let's just avoid him"
Get real. Can the "neurodivergent" BS. She was a sheltered little girl (that many found very obnoxious due to varied reasons) that didn't adapt to the world around her. She saw her father get his throat torn open by zombies. Without actually being taught how to adapt to the world, she shut down and became a major liability. So she's dead now.
In a world where people cut off limbs to avoid turning, yet still survive and kickass, your SJW arguments simply aren't going to hold water.
Yeah, I can get behind that. What I don't understand is what exactly would prompt people to hate Sarah to the point that they'd enjoy her brutal death. I mean, I understand some people dislike her because she wasn't very useful, but it's not like she got anyone killed or hurt anyone. Just what warranted the death wishes? She was nowhere near as annoying as Jar Jar after all. Then again, I'm not sure anyone is...
The difference is, this game isn't real life. The universe of TWD isn't dictated by God or fate or chance or whatever. It's dictated by writers and staff. And the writers chose to mock a character that represented a very real, very marginalized group of people in the Playing Dead interview, mocking her character and talking about how many (real) people wanted her dead.
No one was asking for Sarah to live for the whole series. But her death was BS. From a writing perspective, it sucked; there was no point to it, other than to prove Jane's "survival of the fittest" worldview. The very same worldview we were supposed to object to in season one, when it was presented by Crawford.
You're acting like a jerk, no offense.
But a world like The Walking Dead, which has been established for a decade has very much been survival of the fittest.
Characters in the series "object" to it but it doesn't mean they lasted.
Sometimes the new world is a shit place.
Sarah was a character that represented ignorance to survival. Not her fault, either, mind you.
You have to survive. You have to make difficult choices. You have to adapt. Sarah was sheltered for too long to do any of that.
Am I triggering you? You going to go all 4chan on me? Ha. You're being a dick for no reason, and seeming to think I've done something wrong.
Not really... Lee helped Clementine survive when he easily could have left her. In a "survival of the fittest" universe, he would have tossed a knife to her and said "hey, thanks for the help with that babysitter lady, kid, but you're on your own now." He also would have ditched Ben/Travis/Mr. Parker. Crawford also would have been painted in a much more sympathetic light. TWD is about humanity, not killing others to get ahead.
I come here to avoid stupid shit like this. Tumblr is cancer to the internet, I can't believe it made it here too.