She can't be expected to just turn right into a survivor after all the traumatic stuff she went through in a day.
The thing about her death is that it didn't matter is you're survivor or not. It didn't matter if you tried to fight for life or not. She just fell. It could be anyone.
Okay, then I apologize if I jumped the gun on assumptions.
At the same time, I want to make it clear. I would never advocate killing a ba… moreby (ever) or leaving a little girl behind (I smacked Sarah and "saved" her) because I don't like her. Especially as a father.
At the same time, the difference between how Clem was taught to adapt to the world, compared to Sarah being sheltered (and clearly oblivious at times) from the world by Carlos is night and day. The willingness and ability to adapt is more of what I meant of "survival of the fittest"
And as I said above, it wasn't even Sarah's fault she wasn't able to adapt (to a degree). She went two years into the ZA being completely oblivious to the outside because of Carlos. She can't be expected to just turn right into a survivor after all the traumatic stuff she went through in a day.
With all that said, I don't think Sarah's death was lazy writing.
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oh you can make offensive jokes if you want. You won't get thrown in jail. But know that that "freedom of speech" coming outta your mouth is still offensive.And says miles more about what a gross person you are if you think your "joke" is more important than the people they sh*t on.
So because it's from tumblr it's bull shit? Your point is already invalid.
We've already given constructive criticism, this is another situation. You're honestly way off idk why you even bother.
Well, one thing, a person's skin color is something they can't control.
Sarah not being normal was something that could've been controlled by her parents early on. But she was not. She was sheltered. He's talking about a fictional character in a zombie apocalypse game. Where mentally disabled people ARE a liability. What's the big deal?
It's a game. This kind of political correctness is a poison.
He wanted her to die because she wasn't normal. That's some eugenics-esque ridiculousness, no two ways about it, whether you use Tumblr or n… moreot.
Imagine if he said he hated Lee because Lee was black. No one would hesitate to say he was being intolerant of people on the basis of race. After all, if he weren't a racist, why would he hate a character strictly because they were black? It's the same thing but with Sarah's mental disorder(s) instead of Lee's race.
And the issue has already been escalated. People die for "not being normal."
Well, one thing, a person's skin color is something they can't control.
Sarah not being normal was something that could've been controlle… mored by her parents early on. But she was not. She was sheltered. He's talking about a fictional character in a zombie apocalypse game. Where mentally disabled people ARE a liability. What's the big deal?
It's a game. This kind of political correctness is a poison.
Here's a thought: what if they planned Sarah's death from the start? Kenny's death was planned from the start. Nick's death was planned from the start. That's not new.
During the interview, I'd say this was the cut-away from Sarah, where Jason Latino is addressing the split on that particular decision, he's laying out the other side you seem to be ignoring or neglecting: "I think that's interesting...that it was that split, because there's just so many people...in the office, on the internet, who were just like, 'Sarah Sarah Sarah, I can't wait to get rid of her,' but when it actually came down to it...not everyone did."
Whatever mean-spirited dislike you're intending to project onto the developers, Jason Latino and Mark Darin in particular at least, is unwarranted. The way I see it, Latino is on the sidelines when it comes to this issue, saying "it's interesting", but he was still keen to point out the contrast in the overwhelming numbers of Club F*** Sarah online, vs the actual split in the decision. A perceived majority only seems that way when they're the ones shouting the loudest. Meanwhile, nobody part of the Telltale team besides Mark Darin was at the interview to speak for themselves.
"I think it's also interesting that there are so many people who were...satisfied with slapping Sarah. You only get that option if you're going to save her...and so it's just like, 'oh, well so you wanted to slap her, but in order to do that you had to want her to be around at the same time!'"
Latino's words here are only in observation. At a certain point, he quotes his own words, or thoughts perhaps, in reaction to the people who voiced their satisfaction at being given the option to slap Sarah and choosing to.
And in regards to your cries of discrimination, how much time did Miller spend ragging on Sarita or Rebecca? Or Jane, or Bonnie? It's clear from the get-go that his attitude toward Sarah hasn't got an ounce of sexism or otherwise "she's a woman" in it. In addition, Telltale has most certainly not advocated discrimination against people with disabilities. Sarah is not disabled! I understand why you and other people would give her that label, but she is not physically or mentally disabled in any way. In fact, Lee could have cut his arm off and still saved Clementine, the only reason he didn't get to keep on living was because he died of an infection, which is not related in any manner to being disabled because while it's possible for someone to be born a -plegic of some kind, or born mute, blind, etc. You can't be born bitten.
And finally, laughter can't be the basis for any of these arguments. What exactly were they laughing at? You claim it's disabled people, or jokes about them. They didn't make any jokes, the laughing all came on Miller's part as he described his own reactions and thoughts towards Sarah and the decision to keep her or let her go, which from his point of view were funny. From the developers' point of view, possibly, though it's easily just as likely their laughter was a nervous kind.
Before you counter with claims that they agree because they say "right" a lot, believe it or not, "right" is a common response in place of a mouthful of "I understand where you're coming from", or interchangeably with "go on", contextually during a long-winded explanation, which Greg Miller was giving at the time which you claim they were "agreeing with" him.
You should go see a doctor, 'cause you just shot yourself in the foot.
But greg Miller's character would be abusive, abrasive and a de-humanizing scumbag.
Sarah hurt absolutely no one and was very sweet and caring. The only time she ever caused any problems was with Carver who abused her.
So you can't quite compare.
So it seems like a lot of the hate towards Greg Miller is due to the fact that he found joy in seeing Sarah, a character he didn't like, die… more. But this is something that gamers and other patrons of fiction do all the time. Don't pretend like it's some cardinal sin that only "monsters" like Greg Miller are capable of. I think a lot of us, at one time or another, have found it enjoyable to see a particular character that we don't like and find annoying be killed off.
For those of you who are Star Wars fans, how many of you would react with outrage at a gleeful reaction towards the death of, say, Jar Jar Binks? Not many of you, I'm guessing. And it's not as if the character has done something evil or immoral. People hate him because he's annoying and cumbersome. People hate him for being who he is. People hate his character for existing. And I, personally, agree. I don't think that makes me a monster. I think it makes me a Star Wars fan.
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Well, one thing, a person's skin color is something they can't control.
Sarah not being normal was something that could've been controlle… mored by her parents early on. But she was not. She was sheltered. He's talking about a fictional character in a zombie apocalypse game. Where mentally disabled people ARE a liability. What's the big deal?
It's a game. This kind of political correctness is a poison.
He already clarified that he didn't see her as being mentally disabled. And seeing as how there's still disagreement on here over whether or not she actually is mentally disabled from those who profess to have autism, anxiety, etc, I'd say that it's pretty plausible that a layman like Greg would just see her as a really sheltered wimp.
You are needlessly rude. There are idiots everywhere. If you think that because of actions of some folks you can form a clear picture of the whole site, you're not showing intelligence here.
Sheltered wimp... Well then, What for communities serve? Communities as Wellington, Alexandria, Hilltop, etc. If people in the community are bound to be a Chuck Norris, a Solid Snake or Hulk in the post-apocalyptic world.
He already clarified that he didn't see her as being mentally disabled. And seeing as how there's still disagreement on here over whether or… more not she actually is mentally disabled from those who profess to have autism, anxiety, etc, I'd say that it's pretty plausible that a layman like Greg would just see her as a really sheltered wimp.
And now the majority of the fandom dislike Tell Tale for killing Sarah off, despite the fact that the majority wanted her dead in the first place. I didn't think that Sarah was a liability, Sarah just never got the chance to prove herself and only Clementine could actually try to help Sarah.
And now the majority of the fandom dislike Tell Tale for killing Sarah off, despite the fact that the majority wanted her dead in the first … moreplace. I didn't think that Sarah was a liability, Sarah just never got the chance to prove herself and only Clementine could actually try to help Sarah.
I'm sorry but I'm getting a little fed up with this. I'm a female that suffers from depression, anxiety and has had panic attacks in the pas… moret and some other things I would rather not discuss. Watching that interview I can tell you the only problem I had with it was Greg going overboard on Sarah, but he apologized and even admits he didn't know she was disabled, and I'm sure that if he had figured that beforehand he might not have been so harsh about it. Even I honestly didn't notice that Sarah might have disabilities until somebody pointed it out some months ago.
Fact is that TWDG is a world where the strong are going to have a better chance at than the weak, and this is includes everybody from physical disabilities to mental disabilities. A person in a wheelchair to somebody mentally handicapped it doesn’t matter, when you got dead walking around, they’re the ones more likely to suffer because they can’t protect themselves. The only way t… [view original content]
You don't even need to look outside of TWD to see that some players are happy to see characters die.
In Season 1, the forums had many posts from people who were happy to murder Ben by dropping him to his death.
So it seems like a lot of the hate towards Greg Miller is due to the fact that he found joy in seeing Sarah, a character he didn't like, die… more. But this is something that gamers and other patrons of fiction do all the time. Don't pretend like it's some cardinal sin that only "monsters" like Greg Miller are capable of. I think a lot of us, at one time or another, have found it enjoyable to see a particular character that we don't like and find annoying be killed off.
For those of you who are Star Wars fans, how many of you would react with outrage at a gleeful reaction towards the death of, say, Jar Jar Binks? Not many of you, I'm guessing. And it's not as if the character has done something evil or immoral. People hate him because he's annoying and cumbersome. People hate him for being who he is. People hate his character for existing. And I, personally, agree. I don't think that makes me a monster. I think it makes me a Star Wars fan.
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I loved Sarah (I hoped she'd make it through the end with Clem) and am a feminist, but I don't even. I look at what's happening in St. Louis right now, I look at what's happening in Iraq, and then I read the OP and I simply have no fucks to give. Really, this is batshit insane.
How is this tumblr garbage still going around in here? Are the sheeple keeping it alive?. What is it with Sarah suddenly being accepted as "disabled/autistic/aspergers" when most of the people in THIS forum already agreed that she's not "disabled/autistic/aspergers" back in that huge "IS SARAH AUTISTIC" thread?.
And now the majority of the fandom dislike Tell Tale for killing Sarah off, despite the fact that the majority wanted her dead in the first … moreplace. I didn't think that Sarah was a liability, Sarah just never got the chance to prove herself and only Clementine could actually try to help Sarah.
How is this tumblr garbage still going around in here? Are the sheeple keeping it alive?. What is it with Sarah suddenly being accepted as "… moredisabled/autistic/aspergers" when most of the people in THIS forum already agreed that she's not "disabled/autistic/aspergers" back in that huge "IS SARAH AUTISTIC" thread?.
I am being brutally honest. I refuse to spare people's feelings because it would trigger their self-induced PTSD. Tumblr has a higher concentration of some of the loudest idiots on the internet than any other website. I say this as someone who has visited the Politically Incorrect board on 4chan.
You are needlessly rude. There are idiots everywhere. If you think that because of actions of some folks you can form a clear picture of the whole site, you're not showing intelligence here.
No one talks shit about Sarah! Screw you Greg Miller.
Wait... wheres my manners? You guys have freedon of speech! Go tell one of my favorite characters to go die in a hole or she kills herself because of her mental disability and there's nothing wrong with that because telling mentally-ill people to go die is perfectly normal.
I think that for some, it comes off that Sarah haters have low tolerance for people like her. Which is, quite frankly, sad. It was the same … moreway with Duck in season 1, who was also speculated to have a mental disability. Even if they didn't, though, it's disgusting to see people get so happy over their deaths.
Joke: something spoken, written, or done with humorous intention. Honestly the fact that someone can say a joke and be called offensive for it, or stick up for "Freedom of Speech" and called a "Gross person" for it is just silly. Jokes are meant to be funny (And yeah some jokes do fail at that) not to be offensive. To say we can't make certain jokes about things is censorship of "Freedom of Speech", and censorship is telling a man he can't have steak just because a baby can't chew it.
oh you can make offensive jokes if you want. You won't get thrown in jail. But know that that "freedom of speech" coming outta your mouth is… more still offensive.And says miles more about what a gross person you are if you think your "joke" is more important than the people they sh*t on.
What does that matter? He is on a public forum spreading hate speech. Words have power, you can't just run at the mouth, then apologize, and say SHE IS ONLY FICTIONAL, It still hurt people's feelings, don't you understand that? Greg should try to avoid that because its kind of a jerk thing to do.
Seriously you guys? You're this upset over the way he's talking about a fictional character? There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with him and explaining why you think he's wrong, but to say he's "ableist" or a bad person, and now there are actually people trying to get him fired??That is not okay at all. ffs sake, it's just an opinion about a fictional character, contrary to popular (and delusional) belief that does not parallel how he thinks of people like Sarah in real life. It's just a video game, and honestly, the people who are raging the fuck out over this are ruining it for everyone. I understand relating with characters/making a personal connection with characters and wanting to defend them...but this is just way over the top. Everyone needs to take it down like 30 notches.
I understand why people are upset, at least a little bit. I don't think it has anything to do with Sarah's character, it is what he said about her what hurts peoples feelings. He made it seem like she was a liability and needed to be put down, and its not really hard of a stretch to see if he feels that way about a fictional girl, how would he feel about a non fictional person with the same problems. It put him in a really bad light. For what its worth he apologized, maybe he was just worried about losing his job. I heard they fired that ESPN anchor for making light of the ray rice incident.
Seriously you guys? You're this upset over the way he's talking about a fictional character? There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with hi… morem and explaining why you think he's wrong, but to say he's "ableist" or a bad person, and now there are actually people trying to get him fired??That is not okay at all. ffs sake, it's just an opinion about a fictional character, contrary to popular (and delusional) belief that does not parallel how he thinks of people like Sarah in real life. It's just a video game, and honestly, the people who are raging the fuck out over this are ruining it for everyone. I understand relating with characters/making a personal connection with characters and wanting to defend them...but this is just way over the top. Everyone needs to take it down like 30 notches.
It's not that I can't see why so many are upset by what Greg said, because it was put harshly. But it crosses the line when people start spamming/harassing him with personal insults, and are legitimately trying to get him fired over an opinion. Even after his apology, they are still out for blood and want him to "pay for what he's done". Nothing Greg says or does will be good enough for these people. Those angry fans are just crazy tbh. I heard about that ESPN anchor, and I think it was wrong for him to get fired for having an unpopular opinion. People are too damn sensitive nowadays, and want everything to be censored to protect their feelings. Before we know it we'll be getting arrested solely for having a controversial opinion.
I understand why people are upset, at least a little bit. I don't think it has anything to do with Sarah's character, it is what he said ab… moreout her what hurts peoples feelings. He made it seem like she was a liability and needed to be put down, and its not really hard of a stretch to see if he feels that way about a fictional girl, how would he feel about a non fictional person with the same problems. It put him in a really bad light. For what its worth he apologized, maybe he was just worried about losing his job. I heard they fired that ESPN anchor for making light of the ray rice incident.
A fictional character's death
What does that matter? He is on a public forum spreading hate speech. Words have power, you can't jus… moret run at the mouth, then apologize, and say SHE IS ONLY FICTIONAL, It still hurt people's feelings, don't you understand that? Greg should try to avoid that because its kind of a jerk thing to do.
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The thing about her death is that it didn't matter is you're survivor or not. It didn't matter if you tried to fight for life or not. She just fell. It could be anyone.
oh you can make offensive jokes if you want. You won't get thrown in jail. But know that that "freedom of speech" coming outta your mouth is still offensive.And says miles more about what a gross person you are if you think your "joke" is more important than the people they sh*t on.
Yes, anything with tumblr in it's source is usually unreliable. The authors are probably over-sensitive teenagers.
Sooo? It's a zombie apocalypse... Sarah was correctly presented in every form.
Well, one thing, a person's skin color is something they can't control.
Sarah not being normal was something that could've been controlled by her parents early on. But she was not. She was sheltered. He's talking about a fictional character in a zombie apocalypse game. Where mentally disabled people ARE a liability. What's the big deal?
It's a game. This kind of political correctness is a poison.
You can't control being mentally disabled. The sheer ignorance of your statement expresses far more than the actual text you wrote...
Here's a thought: what if they planned Sarah's death from the start? Kenny's death was planned from the start. Nick's death was planned from the start. That's not new.
During the interview, I'd say this was the cut-away from Sarah, where Jason Latino is addressing the split on that particular decision, he's laying out the other side you seem to be ignoring or neglecting: "I think that's interesting...that it was that split, because there's just so many people...in the office, on the internet, who were just like, 'Sarah Sarah Sarah, I can't wait to get rid of her,' but when it actually came down to it...not everyone did."
Whatever mean-spirited dislike you're intending to project onto the developers, Jason Latino and Mark Darin in particular at least, is unwarranted. The way I see it, Latino is on the sidelines when it comes to this issue, saying "it's interesting", but he was still keen to point out the contrast in the overwhelming numbers of Club F*** Sarah online, vs the actual split in the decision. A perceived majority only seems that way when they're the ones shouting the loudest. Meanwhile, nobody part of the Telltale team besides Mark Darin was at the interview to speak for themselves.
"I think it's also interesting that there are so many people who were...satisfied with slapping Sarah. You only get that option if you're going to save her...and so it's just like, 'oh, well so you wanted to slap her, but in order to do that you had to want her to be around at the same time!'"
Latino's words here are only in observation. At a certain point, he quotes his own words, or thoughts perhaps, in reaction to the people who voiced their satisfaction at being given the option to slap Sarah and choosing to.
And in regards to your cries of discrimination, how much time did Miller spend ragging on Sarita or Rebecca? Or Jane, or Bonnie? It's clear from the get-go that his attitude toward Sarah hasn't got an ounce of sexism or otherwise "she's a woman" in it. In addition, Telltale has most certainly not advocated discrimination against people with disabilities. Sarah is not disabled! I understand why you and other people would give her that label, but she is not physically or mentally disabled in any way. In fact, Lee could have cut his arm off and still saved Clementine, the only reason he didn't get to keep on living was because he died of an infection, which is not related in any manner to being disabled because while it's possible for someone to be born a -plegic of some kind, or born mute, blind, etc. You can't be born bitten.
And finally, laughter can't be the basis for any of these arguments. What exactly were they laughing at? You claim it's disabled people, or jokes about them. They didn't make any jokes, the laughing all came on Miller's part as he described his own reactions and thoughts towards Sarah and the decision to keep her or let her go, which from his point of view were funny. From the developers' point of view, possibly, though it's easily just as likely their laughter was a nervous kind.
Before you counter with claims that they agree because they say "right" a lot, believe it or not, "right" is a common response in place of a mouthful of "I understand where you're coming from", or interchangeably with "go on", contextually during a long-winded explanation, which Greg Miller was giving at the time which you claim they were "agreeing with" him.
You should go see a doctor, 'cause you just shot yourself in the foot.
But greg Miller's character would be abusive, abrasive and a de-humanizing scumbag.
Sarah hurt absolutely no one and was very sweet and caring. The only time she ever caused any problems was with Carver who abused her.
So you can't quite compare.
How the hell is an opinion or that page "unreliable"? Damn dude are you just replying for the sake of it?
Thanks for telling me I would be a liability had a zombie apocalypse happened. I will be sure to not let you in my fortress when it does.
He already clarified that he didn't see her as being mentally disabled. And seeing as how there's still disagreement on here over whether or not she actually is mentally disabled from those who profess to have autism, anxiety, etc, I'd say that it's pretty plausible that a layman like Greg would just see her as a really sheltered wimp.
You're exhibiting behavior of political correctness I would expect to find in tumblr.
Ok, how do I put this? When I say unreliable, I mean it's probably full of shit.
Sheltered wimp... Well then, What for communities serve? Communities as Wellington, Alexandria, Hilltop, etc. If people in the community are bound to be a Chuck Norris, a Solid Snake or Hulk in the post-apocalyptic world.
What for we're human in TWD?
And now the majority of the fandom dislike Tell Tale for killing Sarah off, despite the fact that the majority wanted her dead in the first place. I didn't think that Sarah was a liability, Sarah just never got the chance to prove herself and only Clementine could actually try to help Sarah.
I don't actually think it was the majority that wanted her dead but just the most boisterous voices that were heard.
Amen to that and that disliker should really grow up.
I guess it just seemed like the majority, because most of the comments I read about Sarah, only seemed to show hatred for her character.
You don't even need to look outside of TWD to see that some players are happy to see characters die.
In Season 1, the forums had many posts from people who were happy to murder Ben by dropping him to his death.
I loved Sarah (I hoped she'd make it through the end with Clem) and am a feminist, but I don't even. I look at what's happening in St. Louis right now, I look at what's happening in Iraq, and then I read the OP and I simply have no fucks to give. Really, this is batshit insane.
How is this tumblr garbage still going around in here? Are the sheeple keeping it alive?. What is it with Sarah suddenly being accepted as "disabled/autistic/aspergers" when most of the people in THIS forum already agreed that she's not "disabled/autistic/aspergers" back in that huge "IS SARAH AUTISTIC" thread?.
the tumblrinas and their mindless followers aren't the majority of the fandom.
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Wow, this has been a thing since as early as May? #catchinguptostupid
I am being brutally honest. I refuse to spare people's feelings because it would trigger their self-induced PTSD. Tumblr has a higher concentration of some of the loudest idiots on the internet than any other website. I say this as someone who has visited the Politically Incorrect board on 4chan.
No one talks shit about Sarah! Screw you Greg Miller.
Wait... wheres my manners? You guys have freedon of speech! Go tell one of my favorite characters to go die in a hole or she kills herself because of her mental disability and there's nothing wrong with that because telling mentally-ill people to go die is perfectly normal.
Wow, him too?? I'm liking this chain we have going. "He/she's acting 'different', they must be mental!" Best. Path of logic. Ever.
Joke: something spoken, written, or done with humorous intention. Honestly the fact that someone can say a joke and be called offensive for it, or stick up for "Freedom of Speech" and called a "Gross person" for it is just silly. Jokes are meant to be funny (And yeah some jokes do fail at that) not to be offensive. To say we can't make certain jokes about things is censorship of "Freedom of Speech", and censorship is telling a man he can't have steak just because a baby can't chew it.
What does that matter? He is on a public forum spreading hate speech. Words have power, you can't just run at the mouth, then apologize, and say SHE IS ONLY FICTIONAL, It still hurt people's feelings, don't you understand that? Greg should try to avoid that because its kind of a jerk thing to do.
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Seriously you guys? You're this upset over the way he's talking about a fictional character? There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with him and explaining why you think he's wrong, but to say he's "ableist" or a bad person, and now there are actually people trying to get him fired??That is not okay at all. ffs sake, it's just an opinion about a fictional character, contrary to popular (and delusional) belief that does not parallel how he thinks of people like Sarah in real life. It's just a video game, and honestly, the people who are raging the fuck out over this are ruining it for everyone. I understand relating with characters/making a personal connection with characters and wanting to defend them...but this is just way over the top. Everyone needs to take it down like 30 notches.
I understand why people are upset, at least a little bit. I don't think it has anything to do with Sarah's character, it is what he said about her what hurts peoples feelings. He made it seem like she was a liability and needed to be put down, and its not really hard of a stretch to see if he feels that way about a fictional girl, how would he feel about a non fictional person with the same problems. It put him in a really bad light. For what its worth he apologized, maybe he was just worried about losing his job. I heard they fired that ESPN anchor for making light of the ray rice incident.
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It's not that I can't see why so many are upset by what Greg said, because it was put harshly. But it crosses the line when people start spamming/harassing him with personal insults, and are legitimately trying to get him fired over an opinion. Even after his apology, they are still out for blood and want him to "pay for what he's done". Nothing Greg says or does will be good enough for these people. Those angry fans are just crazy tbh. I heard about that ESPN anchor, and I think it was wrong for him to get fired for having an unpopular opinion. People are too damn sensitive nowadays, and want everything to be censored to protect their feelings. Before we know it we'll be getting arrested solely for having a controversial opinion.
Way to put words in my mouth. Wanna try reading again, then re-quote me?
Depends what kind of disability, really.
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