I hope Clementine dies in the finale
She is a waste of space. She overshadows everyone. Every part of an episode has a bit where you h… moreave to calm Clementine down. The development he sponges up could've gone to rebecca, sarah, alvin, nick, luke, Mike, and Bonnie but instead the game insists that Clementine overshadow other characters
Fixed.
Er, but I don't blame Kenny for the writers worshipping him... I blame the writers. And yeah, I can completely understand why Kenny's fans are happy about his return and how much focus he's been getting and all. I just wish more people would understand why people who weren't particularly interest in Kenny, especially considering how his Season 2 character arc was uninspired and recycled, aren't too thrilled by his return.
It's not stupid to feel the way at all. I get it.
I think it's unfair to blame him for the writers worshipping him, but it's how you feel. I respect that.
You want Kenny to die? The man with the powerful stache! The Salt-Lick master! The Lucky man! We need Kenny so we can look at his power stache, who can defend Clem by salt licking the walkers and get lucky and get back to Clem!
Wait, we went over that already. Weren't we discussing the Reggie scene?
I may be wrong, but you're slowly agreeing with me on some points. I made it very clear that Nick did get his development, and now you're just mentioning instances where Nick was developed. Why? Because no one else had that privilege. Going by the Kenny's fault logic, we can also blame Nick for taking the spotlight away from his pals. However, like I said, it's the writers' fault, not the character's.
Too many assumptions. Yeah, Sarah asked that one time. Did it ever happen again? For all we know, she could've just gotten curious about it. Also, even if that was development, it all went to shit once Episofe 4 came and she was once again portayed as an imbecile. Just look at her second death. So much wasted potential.
The conversation with Nick after the shed clearly showed that he wasn't just an angry violent guy who wanted to kill kids. He apologized to … moreClem, revealed his past in which he was forced to kill his mom, giving Clem a very big reason to sympathize with and understand him; she could've had to kill Lee for the same reasons after all. And the conversation with Pete the day after even further showed how sensitive Nick truly was, as he couldn't even bring himself to shoot a buck. He was introduced as a recklessly violent jerk, but developed into a sensitive man who acted tough and angry to shield himself from pain. If that's not development, I don't know what is.
And the conversation about his business developed him even further. It showed that even though Nick trusted Luke implicitly, he acknowledged that he let his friend push him into things he didn't want. It showed that his friendship with Luke wasn't perfect, that Luke may have actually e… [view original content]
Er, but I don't blame Kenny for the writers worshipping him... I blame the writers. And yeah, I can completely understand why Kenny's fans … moreare happy about his return and how much focus he's been getting and all. I just wish more people would understand why people who weren't particularly interest in Kenny, especially considering how his Season 2 character arc was uninspired and recycled, aren't too thrilled by his return.
I thought we were discussing how the cabin group didn't get development after the bridge scene?
And I already mentioned that Nick was not the only character to get developed. I mentioned Alvin and Sarah, and you could argue Luke and Pete developed as well. Luke was first very distrustful of Clem and was scared to bring her back, but his concern for the dog showed he wasn't a bad guy. He eventually even showed remorse for how he treated Clem and tried to bond with her. Pete was first shown to be a reasonable and dependable man. He was the voice of reason in a dysfunctional group. If you saved him in Episode 2, you got to see a different side of him, one that was scared and weak and regretful that he wouldn't be able to protect the people he loved anymore. Even though his relationship with Nick was rocky, it was clear here that he truly cared about his nephew. And all these characters stopped getting any attention only after Kenny returned.
It's also an assumption to think that since Sarah wasn't a pro gunslinger the second after Clem taught her, she was useless and didn't develop. The mere fact that she was smart enough to say something like "Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." was a clear step up from the seemingly naïve and sheltered girl we met in Episode 1. And yes, her death in Episode 4 was horribly written. That does not change the fact that Sarah was being developed prior to that.
Wait, we went over that already. Weren't we discussing the Reggie scene?
I may be wrong, but you're slowly agreeing with me on some point… mores. I made it very clear that Nick did get his development, and now you're just mentioning instances where Nick was developed. Why? Because no one else had that privilege. Going by the Kenny's fault logic, we can also blame Nick for taking the spotlight away from his pals. However, like I said, it's the writers' fault, not the character's.
Too many assumptions. Yeah, Sarah asked that one time. Did it ever happen again? For all we know, she could've just gotten curious about it. Also, even if that was development, it all went to shit once Episofe 4 came and she was once again portayed as an imbecile. Just look at her second death. So much wasted potential.
Sometimes my jokes just soar over peoples heads, its ok i'm on a different wavelength than most.
This post is obviously a troll post. So i responded with a another troll post as a joke.
I hope Clementine dies in the finale
She is a waste of space. She overshadows everyone. Every part of an episode has a bit where you have to calm Clementine down. The development he sponges up could've gone to rebecca, sarah, alvin, nick, luke, Mike, and Bonnie but instead the game insists that Clementine overshadow other characters
I copied his title and subject, and replaced Kenny's name with Clementine.
I guess we were doing both. We've been covering a few things.
You know, I'm starting to think we just have a different idea of what character development is. I fail to see any Alvin development. About Luke, I hardly consider someone getting scared to death and then getting over it development. For me, development is Getting to know someone. For example, Luke had a bit of development when he was talking to Clementine at the end of Episode 1. We learned about his parents, etc. You have a point with Pete. It was just a sip, though.
Exactly. We're making assumptions both ways. I'm not saying I'm right. We will never know now that Telltalr got rid of her in the most laughable way possible.
I thought we were discussing how the cabin group didn't get development after the bridge scene?
And I already mentioned that Nick was not… more the only character to get developed. I mentioned Alvin and Sarah, and you could argue Luke and Pete developed as well. Luke was first very distrustful of Clem and was scared to bring her back, but his concern for the dog showed he wasn't a bad guy. He eventually even showed remorse for how he treated Clem and tried to bond with her. Pete was first shown to be a reasonable and dependable man. He was the voice of reason in a dysfunctional group. If you saved him in Episode 2, you got to see a different side of him, one that was scared and weak and regretful that he wouldn't be able to protect the people he loved anymore. Even though his relationship with Nick was rocky, it was clear here that he truly cared about his nephew. And all these characters stopped getting any attention only after Kenny returned.
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The difference with Clem and Kenny is that, because Clem is the player character, any interactions she has with other characters is exactly … morewhat gives them substance and development in the first place. Clem shares the spotlight. Kenny hogs the spotlight.
Once again, I don't resent Kenny. I resent the writers and the fact that they brought back Kenny in the first place.
However, I don't think it's unreasonable at all for people to resent Kenny himself for all the focus he's getting. When they're playing the game, and they're once again forced to talk with Kenny when they'd much rather talk with someone else, it's only natural that they'd think "Oh god, Kenny, go away, I don't want to talk to you, why'd you have to come back and hog my attention!?" rather than "Oh god, writers, I don't want to talk to Kenny, why'd you bring him back!?"
I'm saying I think it's unfair to resent Kenny because of the writers' decision.
I'm a Kenny fan and I was happy to see him, but I don't think twice before accepting some of his flaws.
Well, excuse me, but Telltale had plenty of chances to develop the Cabin Group and they just didn't take them.
* Episode One: They coul… mored've easily added 20 more minutes to a very short episode and use that in a conversation with Alvin, Pete, or whoever.
* Episode Two: The small "hub" after the bridge scene was a golden opportunity for some development. However, people either brush you off or give you orders. Also, the Lodge. Only Rebecca was used properly here.
* Episode Three and Four: Perfect environment for character development. They're either prisoners or sitting around in a park. Of course, the Jane-Apocalypse happened and she later ran off. In Episode 3, after we meet Reggie, wasn't that a great opening for a long talk with Sarah, Bec, or Nick? Kenny wasn't even a factor. He was doing his thing with Reggie.
Has Kenny been overused and hogging the spotlight a bit? Sure. But to say it's his fault no one else got developed is claptrap.
Blame the writers
Once again, I don't resent Kenny. I resent the writers and the fact that they brought back Kenny in the first place.
However, I don't thi… morenk it's unreasonable at all for people to resent Kenny himself for all the focus he's getting. When they're playing the game, and they're once again forced to talk with Kenny when they'd much rather talk with someone else, it's only natural that they'd think "Oh god, Kenny, go away, I don't want to talk to you, why'd you have to come back and hog my attention!?" rather than "Oh god, writers, I don't want to talk to Kenny, why'd you bring him back!?"
Doubtful, since my point is that because we view the world from Clem's perspective, any interactions she has with other characters is exactly how we see what kind of people those characters are and how they develop. Meanwhile, we don't see the world from Kenny's view. We only see Kenny from Clem's perspective, and Kenny often forces himself into our field of vision, blocking everyone else from view.
Eh, misworded it, I guess. I was getting tired of having to make the distinction of resenting Kenny and resenting the fact that he returned. Besides, I already explained that resenting Kenny for hogging the spotlight, whether it's the writers fault or not, is still a completely understandable reaction.
Doubtful, since my point is that because we view the world from Clem's perspective, any interactions she has with other characters is exactl… morey how we see what kind of people those characters are and how they develop. Meanwhile, we don't see the world from Kenny's view. We only see Kenny from Clem's perspective, and Kenny often forces himself into our field of vision, blocking everyone else from view.
I didn't want you to think I'm some Kenny fanboy who's trying to get you off your game. It was just really confusing how you contradicted yourself. I get it now.
Eh, misworded it, I guess. I was getting tired of having to make the distinction of resenting Kenny and resenting the fact that he returned.… more Besides, I already explained that resenting Kenny for hogging the spotlight, whether it's the writers fault or not, is still a completely understandable reaction.
I'm sure there are, but at least playing as Clem doesn't steal the spotlight from other characters, since we see those characters from Clem's perspective. Here's a comparison: we saw a lot of Clem in her conversation with Luke in Episode 1, but since we were playing as Clem, Luke got focus as well just by being in that scene. We could see that he was a compassionate and well-intentioned guy, because he actively tried to sympathize with us, and we saw that because we were Clem in that scene. Now compare Kenny's interactions with Sarita. Presumably, since they were a couple, they had lots of heart-warming moments as well. The problem is that we don't see any of that, because of all the scenes we get of Kenny, none of them focus on his relationship with Sarita. We got a bit of that in the lodge, where Sarita jokes about how Kenny snores, but that's about it.
Okay then.
I didn't want you to think I'm some Kenny fanboy who's trying to get you off your game. It was just really confusing how you contradicted yourself. I get it now.
I'm sure there are, but at least playing as Clem doesn't steal the spotlight from other characters, since we see those characters from Clem'… mores perspective. Here's a comparison: we saw a lot of Clem in her conversation with Luke in Episode 1, but since we were playing as Clem, Luke got focus as well just by being in that scene. We could see that he was a compassionate and well-intentioned guy, because he actively tried to sympathize with us, and we saw that because we were Clem in that scene. Now compare Kenny's interactions with Sarita. Presumably, since they were a couple, they had lots of heart-warming moments as well. The problem is that we don't see any of that, because of all the scenes we get of Kenny, none of them focus on his relationship with Sarita. We got a bit of that in the lodge, where Sarita jokes about how Kenny snores, but that's about it.
Kenny is also arguably overrated, overhyped, and has had improbable plot armor for nearing two seasons now...
Hm, I can see the similarities Incorporeal is trying to make.
I'm not sure what the beating has to do with anything, but that is a good example of Kenny's improbable plot armor.
Kenny was overrated in the sense that there are plenty of fans who absolutely refuse to see his faults. The fans who went on and on about how he's a misunderstood hero, with a godlike mustache and is equivalent to zombie apocalypse Jesus. Kenny is not a bad man, but he has flaws, and some people refuse to accept that. No offense to the awesome Kenny fans who aren't so unreasonably biased.
Kenny was overhyped in the sense that as soon as there was any hint of him returning in Season 2, his fans went apeshit. The "Kenny confirmed for Season 2" gif comes to mind...
I guess it all depends on your point of view. I like what Telltale has done with Kenny. He's not supergod or anything. He is clearly flawed in many ways. But I like his character. I see him has a tough SOB with a weird way of showing how he cares. I don't think Carver beating him up was plot armor, but then again, if he survives with one eye then yes that would be considered plot armor.
I'm not sure what the beating has to do with anything, but that is a good example of Kenny's improbable plot armor.
Kenny was overrated i… moren the sense that there are plenty of fans who absolutely refuse to see his faults. The fans who went on and on about how he's a misunderstood hero, with a godlike mustache and is equivalent to zombie apocalypse Jesus. Kenny is not a bad man, but he has flaws, and some people refuse to accept that. No offense to the awesome Kenny fans who aren't so unreasonably biased.
Kenny was overhyped in the sense that as soon as there was any hint of him returning in Season 2, his fans went apeshit. The "Kenny confirmed for Season 2" gif comes to mind...
While Kenny is not my favorite I don't really want him to die but then again almost everybody[ not sure about Christa] last group died. Everybody time runs out eventually
I'm just really really bored of his character. I feel like I know everything there is to know about him. Heck, I felt that way at the end of season 1.
I don't want him to die because I think he's an asshole (although I do think that) , I want him to die because I'm not looking forward to more of the same old same old in season 3.
I'm not saying he's the problem, but I probably wouldn't be sad if he died. Now before you call me heartless, let me remind you how cold he was in Season 1 and 2:
Kills Larry right in front of Lilly, then doesn't show one single bit of sympathy for her. Then he wants to leave her behind after all she's done for the group. If Lilly had agreed with everything he'd said, I'm willing to bet he would have had a different attitude.
But that's not just Kenny, it's everyone. In fact, it's TTG. Telltale makes a little girl do all of that because the alternative is Clem not doing anything because she is a little girl. Which would be totally reasonable, but boring.
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Dude.... You're heartless if you want that to happen..
-RIP CrazyGeorge.
Er, but I don't blame Kenny for the writers worshipping him... I blame the writers. And yeah, I can completely understand why Kenny's fans are happy about his return and how much focus he's been getting and all. I just wish more people would understand why people who weren't particularly interest in Kenny, especially considering how his Season 2 character arc was uninspired and recycled, aren't too thrilled by his return.
You want Kenny to die? The man with the powerful stache! The Salt-Lick master! The Lucky man! We need Kenny so we can look at his power stache, who can defend Clem by salt licking the walkers and get lucky and get back to Clem!
Wait, we went over that already. Weren't we discussing the Reggie scene?
I may be wrong, but you're slowly agreeing with me on some points. I made it very clear that Nick did get his development, and now you're just mentioning instances where Nick was developed. Why? Because no one else had that privilege. Going by the Kenny's fault logic, we can also blame Nick for taking the spotlight away from his pals. However, like I said, it's the writers' fault, not the character's.
Too many assumptions. Yeah, Sarah asked that one time. Did it ever happen again? For all we know, she could've just gotten curious about it. Also, even if that was development, it all went to shit once Episofe 4 came and she was once again portayed as an imbecile. Just look at her second death. So much wasted potential.
I'm saying I think it's unfair to resent Kenny because of the writers' decision.
I'm a Kenny fan and I was happy to see him, but I don't think twice before accepting some of his flaws.
I thought we were discussing how the cabin group didn't get development after the bridge scene?
And I already mentioned that Nick was not the only character to get developed. I mentioned Alvin and Sarah, and you could argue Luke and Pete developed as well. Luke was first very distrustful of Clem and was scared to bring her back, but his concern for the dog showed he wasn't a bad guy. He eventually even showed remorse for how he treated Clem and tried to bond with her. Pete was first shown to be a reasonable and dependable man. He was the voice of reason in a dysfunctional group. If you saved him in Episode 2, you got to see a different side of him, one that was scared and weak and regretful that he wouldn't be able to protect the people he loved anymore. Even though his relationship with Nick was rocky, it was clear here that he truly cared about his nephew. And all these characters stopped getting any attention only after Kenny returned.
It's also an assumption to think that since Sarah wasn't a pro gunslinger the second after Clem taught her, she was useless and didn't develop. The mere fact that she was smart enough to say something like "Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes." was a clear step up from the seemingly naïve and sheltered girl we met in Episode 1. And yes, her death in Episode 4 was horribly written. That does not change the fact that Sarah was being developed prior to that.
Sometimes my jokes just soar over peoples heads, its ok i'm on a different wavelength than most.
This post is obviously a troll post. So i responded with a another troll post as a joke.
I copied his title and subject, and replaced Kenny's name with Clementine.
I guess we were doing both. We've been covering a few things.
You know, I'm starting to think we just have a different idea of what character development is. I fail to see any Alvin development. About Luke, I hardly consider someone getting scared to death and then getting over it development. For me, development is Getting to know someone. For example, Luke had a bit of development when he was talking to Clementine at the end of Episode 1. We learned about his parents, etc. You have a point with Pete. It was just a sip, though.
Exactly. We're making assumptions both ways. I'm not saying I'm right. We will never know now that Telltalr got rid of her in the most laughable way possible.
I'm sure the Kenny fans feel the same way for Kenny as you do for Clementine.
Once again, I don't resent Kenny. I resent the writers and the fact that they brought back Kenny in the first place.
However, I don't think it's unreasonable at all for people to resent Kenny himself for all the focus he's getting. When they're playing the game, and they're once again forced to talk with Kenny when they'd much rather talk with someone else, it's only natural that they'd think "Oh god, Kenny, go away, I don't want to talk to you, why'd you have to come back and hog my attention!?" rather than "Oh god, writers, I don't want to talk to Kenny, why'd you bring him back!?"
Wrong game bruh!
You said that two posts above...
Doubtful, since my point is that because we view the world from Clem's perspective, any interactions she has with other characters is exactly how we see what kind of people those characters are and how they develop. Meanwhile, we don't see the world from Kenny's view. We only see Kenny from Clem's perspective, and Kenny often forces himself into our field of vision, blocking everyone else from view.
Eh, misworded it, I guess. I was getting tired of having to make the distinction of resenting Kenny and resenting the fact that he returned. Besides, I already explained that resenting Kenny for hogging the spotlight, whether it's the writers fault or not, is still a completely understandable reaction.
You don't think there are some people are tired of playing Clementine's story?
Okay then.
I didn't want you to think I'm some Kenny fanboy who's trying to get you off your game. It was just really confusing how you contradicted yourself. I get it now.
I'm sure there are, but at least playing as Clem doesn't steal the spotlight from other characters, since we see those characters from Clem's perspective. Here's a comparison: we saw a lot of Clem in her conversation with Luke in Episode 1, but since we were playing as Clem, Luke got focus as well just by being in that scene. We could see that he was a compassionate and well-intentioned guy, because he actively tried to sympathize with us, and we saw that because we were Clem in that scene. Now compare Kenny's interactions with Sarita. Presumably, since they were a couple, they had lots of heart-warming moments as well. The problem is that we don't see any of that, because of all the scenes we get of Kenny, none of them focus on his relationship with Sarita. We got a bit of that in the lodge, where Sarita jokes about how Kenny snores, but that's about it.
Alright, good to hear. Kenny fans like you who actually try to understand other people's viewpoints are the best!
Kenny is the Daryl Dixon of the game, overrated and has annoying fans.
He's got to go.
Haha, thanks!
Have an upvote for that.
I do respect people's opinions as long as they keep it nice like we have.
Kenny ain't god. I just like him.
Don't get so angry, Kenny is your friend...
Unless you disagree with him.
I'M NOT ANGRY!!! X(
And yeah, Kenny's friendship is like the weather in March. It's just unpredictable :P
Daryl is overrated, overhyped, and I'm sure he's covered in plot armor till like season 30..
Kenny is much, much better.
Kenny is also arguably overrated, overhyped, and has had improbable plot armor for nearing two seasons now...
Hm, I can see the similarities Incorporeal is trying to make.
When has Daryl ever taken a beating like Kenny did with Carver?
Please, give me an example of Kenny being overrated, or overhyped.
Well kenny taking over the spotlight shouldn't be a reason for him to die, but i see why that annoys you.
I'm not sure what the beating has to do with anything, but that is a good example of Kenny's improbable plot armor.
Kenny was overrated in the sense that there are plenty of fans who absolutely refuse to see his faults. The fans who went on and on about how he's a misunderstood hero, with a godlike mustache and is equivalent to zombie apocalypse Jesus. Kenny is not a bad man, but he has flaws, and some people refuse to accept that. No offense to the awesome Kenny fans who aren't so unreasonably biased.
Kenny was overhyped in the sense that as soon as there was any hint of him returning in Season 2, his fans went apeshit. The "Kenny confirmed for Season 2" gif comes to mind...
That's one way he's overhyped.
But still doesn't compare to Daryl Dixon.
I guess it all depends on your point of view. I like what Telltale has done with Kenny. He's not supergod or anything. He is clearly flawed in many ways. But I like his character. I see him has a tough SOB with a weird way of showing how he cares. I don't think Carver beating him up was plot armor, but then again, if he survives with one eye then yes that would be considered plot armor.
While Kenny is not my favorite I don't really want him to die but then again almost everybody[ not sure about Christa] last group died. Everybody time runs out eventually
I'm just really really bored of his character. I feel like I know everything there is to know about him. Heck, I felt that way at the end of season 1.
I don't want him to die because I think he's an asshole (although I do think that) , I want him to die because I'm not looking forward to more of the same old same old in season 3.
I hope he dies too.
getting beat up after forcing a child to do every single dangerous chore is the least he could've done
I love both kenny and gavin. Kenny is for sure the pizza in this "pizza or icecream" thing.
And let me tell you, I fucking love pizza.
I'm not saying he's the problem, but I probably wouldn't be sad if he died. Now before you call me heartless, let me remind you how cold he was in Season 1 and 2:
Kills Larry right in front of Lilly, then doesn't show one single bit of sympathy for her. Then he wants to leave her behind after all she's done for the group. If Lilly had agreed with everything he'd said, I'm willing to bet he would have had a different attitude.
He treats Clem bad, he thinks it's all about what he wants. you have to kiss his ass the whole series! ....i would not be sad if he died.
Seriously!? People shouldn't WANT anyone to die, regardless if you like them or not...
But that's not just Kenny, it's everyone. In fact, it's TTG. Telltale makes a little girl do all of that because the alternative is Clem not doing anything because she is a little girl. Which would be totally reasonable, but boring.
It's a little ironic how the "hate Kenny" threads outnumber the "love Kenny" threads.
I know right