Their writing is emotional. But that doesn't mean they can't be funny. Have you seen their older games?
Here's one of their first games f… moreor example. Sam and Max. Sam and Max is not only funny, but one of the best examples of surreal humor I've ever seen.
The thing is... In modern society people tend to look at statements made in the media and then interpret it in their own way, even when the person might have meant something entirely different. You don't have evidence. Russell Brand (great guy and British comedian) summed this up brilliantly quite recently. In direct face to face communication the person can explain themselves and ensure you have the right idea of what they mean, but that's impossible when it comes to public announcements and the like.
Panic attacks aren't a result of a disability, and in themselves are not a disability unless they are a regular occurrence.
I didn't say that Sarah was autistic just because she has panic attacks. Panic attacks are just one sign that a person may be autistic, not evidence in itself. There is other writing that indicates she may be autistic. There were many threads discussing this in the past but I don't have the links on me.
I have regular panic attacks but my only mental illness is dyspraxia... The panic attacks are irrelevant and are not a result of any disabil… moreity. Claiming Sarah is autistic because she has panic attacks during a fucked up, insane zombie apocalypse is unfair. The vast majority of people would be in her situation.
Being a life-loving and happy child and being autistic is not mutually exclusive. The view that autism is a shameful and negative thing is a… moren offensive and wrong view that society takes toward the condition. Having autism makes life more difficult because of the challenges that come from both within and from how society views it. It does not make them any less of a person.
As for direct evidence, there were several threads on here discussing it. Sorry but I'm very tired so I can't find them for you rn.
Even if Telltale did not directly mean for their portrayal of Sarah to be offensive, it was.
Just because someone didn't mean to offend does not erase the fact that it was offensive. If I as a white person, used a racial slur as a joke, people would be offended. Even though I meant no harm by it, the fact that it is used as a joke is a symptom of a larger problem. A problem that affects millions of lives and causes them to be mistreated or even killed.
The media has a huge impact on public perception of these issues. Telltale seemed to have been aware of this and included a varied and diverse cast of characters who were treated with respect. Up until this point I had complete confidence in them that they would continue to treat their characters fairly. Not that I expected the world of TWDG to treat them fairly, but I expected them to be treated with importance and relevance. That didn't happen.
The thing is... In modern society people tend to look at statements made in the media and then interpret it in their own way, even when the … moreperson might have meant something entirely different. You don't have evidence. Russell Brand (great guy and British comedian) summed this up brilliantly quite recently. In direct face to face communication the person can explain themselves and ensure you have the right idea of what they mean, but that's impossible when it comes to public announcements and the like.
'May be' being the key thing to remember there. I never for one second even considered that she might have a disability. She seemed so normal and perfectly sane... More realistic than many of the other characters. She just had no idea about the outside world, that's all.
Also... My regular panic attacks do not substantially limit my ability to cope in everyday life. Nor do most people's. They seem like normal people until they're alone and that's when things get difficult. I've never seen a doctor refer to panic disorder as a disability as such.
Panic attacks aren't a result of a disability, and in themselves are not a disability unless they are a regular occurrence.
I didn't say … morethat Sarah was autistic just because she has panic attacks. Panic attacks are just one sign that a person may be autistic, not evidence in itself. There is other writing that indicates she may be autistic. There were many threads discussing this in the past but I don't have the links on me.
i never said that it's a terrible thing for telltale to make jokes. it was a terrible thing to make jokes about this character whose portrayal had already been offensive. then they come on this new interview and join in on the mockery.
'May be' being the key thing to remember there. I never for one second even considered that she might have a disability. She seemed so norma… morel and perfectly sane... More realistic than many of the other characters. She just had no idea about the outside world, that's all.
Also... My regular panic attacks do not substantially limit my ability to cope in everyday life. Nor do most people's. They seem like normal people until they're alone and that's when things get difficult. I've never seen a doctor refer to panic disorder as a disability as such.
I think they would have mentioned such an important character trait in an interview or tweet or something by now if that was the case..
And please, try not to twist my words. I'm not saying autistic people are insane, for fuck's sake. I of all people know what it's like to be generalized and bullied due to not being completely 'normal'.
That's not what I meant. It's 3AM and that may not have been the correct word. My point is she never acted as if she had Aspergers or Downs or anything like that. I've even worked with autists before and didn't notice any symptoms coming from Sarah... If that was Telltale's intention then they did a very shitty job.
Being autistic =/= insane.
And just because you personally did not interpret her as autistic does not mean that Telltale couldn't have intended her to be.
You literally said "She seemed so normal and perfectly sane". Not sane = insane. Sorry if I misinterpreted but that's what you said.
Before you decide that they didn't show Sarah to have "enough" symptoms, maybe you should find the threads discussing it. I would do it for you but frankly I don't even know if itd be worth it.
And just because there aren't extremely strong symptoms does not mean that she couldnt possibly have been autistic. Autism is an extremely varied spectrum. And regular panic attacks are still a symptom of some kind of anxiety disorder, which is still a disability in itselff.
I think they would have mentioned such an important character trait in an interview or tweet or something by now if that was the case..
A… morend please, try not to twist my words. I'm not saying autistic people are insane, for fuck's sake. I of all people know what it's like to be generalized and bullied due to not being completely 'normal'.
That's not what I meant. It's 3AM and that may not have been the correct word. My point is she never acted as if she had Aspergers or Downs or anything like that. I've even worked with autists before and didn't notice any symptoms coming from Sarah... If that was Telltale's intention then they did a very shitty job.
Her portrayal was offensive? How? From what I saw it was pretty realistic.
They didn't join in on any mockery. Greg made a joke, they laughed. Why should they be a stuffed shirt and say Greg's opinion on a character is wrong. Then we've got you assholes making people feel bad over a video game. It's a game. TellTale's not making hate speeches, they're just talking about disliking a character.
i never said that it's a terrible thing for telltale to make jokes. it was a terrible thing to make jokes about this character whose portrayal had already been offensive. then they come on this new interview and join in on the mockery.
Her portrayal was offensive? How? From what I saw it was pretty realistic.
They didn't join in on any mockery. Greg made a joke, they lau… moreghed. Why should they be a stuffed shirt and say Greg's opinion on a character is wrong. Then we've got you assholes making people feel bad over a video game. It's a game. TellTale's not making hate speeches, they're just talking about disliking a character.
Yeah, that's what I said because I'm tired. And yes, I've seen the Sarah-autism threads and I disagree... Telltale would have addressed that.
Those supposed symptoms are so ambiguous and unnoticeable that I think it's silly for people to claim Sarah somehow represents every player that's disabled. Trust me, I have knowledge of mental illness because of all the diagnosis I went through. I know how varied the autism-spectrum can be. I have experience there.
You literally said "She seemed so normal and perfectly sane". Not sane = insane. Sorry if I misinterpreted but that's what you said.
Befo… morere you decide that they didn't show Sarah to have "enough" symptoms, maybe you should find the threads discussing it. I would do it for you but frankly I don't even know if itd be worth it.
And just because there aren't extremely strong symptoms does not mean that she couldnt possibly have been autistic. Autism is an extremely varied spectrum. And regular panic attacks are still a symptom of some kind of anxiety disorder, which is still a disability in itselff.
No. I'm talking about those people who got in such a fit because "Oh no, Greg doesn't like Sarah!!" And calling him Ableist which, by the way, that's a one hell of a leap in logic.
And you didn't answer my question. How was Sarah offensive? I've looked at it every way, people that I know for a fact have autism don't understand how Sarah was offensive.
Sorry but I really don't feel like having to explain the whole thing for the zillionth time. I've argued back and forth with people about Sarah's portrayal on multiple threads for nearly a month now. Take a look at my replies in this topic. You can also see my thread http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/77474
No. I'm talking about those people who got in such a fit because "Oh no, Greg doesn't like Sarah!!" And calling him Ableist which, by the wa… morey, that's a one hell of a leap in logic.
And you didn't answer my question. How was Sarah offensive? I've looked at it every way, people that I know for a fact have autism don't understand how Sarah was offensive.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you don't think the signs were strong enough doesn't erase the fact that they existed.
Let me ask you something.
Does Telltale have to blatantly come up with some grandiose announcement for each character in order for you to accept that something is true about them? "THIS CHARACTER IS BLACK. THIS CHARACTER IS INDIAN. THIS CHARACTER IS GAY. THIS CHARACTER IS DISABLED." Why don't they do that? Because they show it, through direct and indirect characterization. It's obvious what the original intention was.
And even if I'm wrong, and Telltale never intended for us to think that Sarah is disabled, why is it such a terrible thing? Why is it wrong of me to argue that Sarah's portrayal was offensive?
Why is it such a terrible thing for an innocent and sympathetic young girl to have a disability, that doesn't villainize or dehumanize her, but is instead simply part of who she is? Why is it such a terrible thing to be disappointed that we were baited and then denied honest representation, and the fair treatment of a character who we could see ourselves in, a character who had once been portrayed with respect and importance?
I honestly don't understand how you can be arguing against this. If you have disabilities, you should understand how hurtful it is to be insulted so regularly, to be constantly portrayed as a lesser human being, to be reduced to nothing more than a burden. Why then are you so adamant that this isn't a big deal? I honestly don't understand.
Yeah, that's what I said because I'm tired. And yes, I've seen the Sarah-autism threads and I disagree... Telltale would have addressed that… more.
Those supposed symptoms are so ambiguous and unnoticeable that I think it's silly for people to claim Sarah somehow represents every player that's disabled. Trust me, I have knowledge of mental illness because of all the diagnosis I went through. I know how varied the autism-spectrum can be. I have experience there.
I don't know how you can disrespect fiction, something of your own creation. Telltale created Sarah. How are they being disrespectful? I think you're over-analyzing this. They can treat the characters however they like because they're fictional and of their own creation. I agree that they obvious didn't care that much for the character if they were willing to kill her off so easily, but I don't think they were disrespectful. A fictional character is not worthy of respect because it doesn't really exist.
Clem appeared angry because that's how Telltale wanted us to feel. They wanted us to feel that Sarah was being useless and it was stupid of her to not get up immediately. That's disrespectful.
I don't see what's offensive. I think people get way too offended way too easily these days. Why are you offended that Telltale didn't feel the same way about Sarah that you did? Not everyone liked Sarah and that's perfectly acceptable.
I don't get your racial slur comparison either. Racial jokes do not cause people to get killed (my favorite show, South Park, tells them all the time, at EVERYONE'S expense) and why is it only offensive if a white person tells a racial joke? Shouldn't all races be regarded equally? A racial joke is not necessarily the symptom of a larger problem, nor are anti-male jokes or jokes about Southerners. They're just humor. It doesn't necessarily have to be a part of some larger issue. Individuals find different things funny. The world could be devoid of systemic racism and people would still make race jokes.
That's all beside the point anyways because I don't see how Telltale not liking Sarah as much as you is some great issue. It was NOT objectively offensive. It's offensive to YOU. There's a difference. I highly doubt they meant it to be offensive and yes, that does matter. Just because her death was disappointing doesn't mean her portrayal was offensive. You should stop getting so offended and realize that Telltale isn't going to always handle characters they way you want them to. It sucks and I get disappointed by it too. That doesn't mean they're offensive and that doesn't mean that they're a part of some larger issue (which you were implying with your race comparison). I don't think Sarah's end was handled well either, but it was far from being offensive.
Even if Telltale did not directly mean for their portrayal of Sarah to be offensive, it was.
Just because someone didn't mean to offend d… moreoes not erase the fact that it was offensive. If I as a white person, used a racial slur as a joke, people would be offended. Even though I meant no harm by it, the fact that it is used as a joke is a symptom of a larger problem. A problem that affects millions of lives and causes them to be mistreated or even killed.
The media has a huge impact on public perception of these issues. Telltale seemed to have been aware of this and included a varied and diverse cast of characters who were treated with respect. Up until this point I had complete confidence in them that they would continue to treat their characters fairly. Not that I expected the world of TWDG to treat them fairly, but I expected them to be treated with importance and relevance. That didn't happen.
People have the right to view things how they like, even if it offends your delicate sensibilities. It's not your duty to change other people's views or opinions. You're not a moral authority. Let people think what they want. As a woman, I take no issue with the file being labeled "b*tch-slapped". There are far bigger problems in the world than someone labeling a file with a naughty word.
You're not alone. I can't bring myself to care enough to be bothered. It's so insignificant, I'd have to pretty much have nothing going on my life to care about it.
Sarah is fictional, but people like her exist. Prior to this episode, her character was not portrayed in such a negative light. If you want to continue the discussion with me please reply to one of my comments or you can write your own new comment in my thread which is the first one here. Please don't ask me to repeat everything that's been already said, at this point it's just exhausting.
I don't know how you can disrespect fiction, something of your own creation. Telltale created Sarah. How are they being disrespectful? I thi… morenk you're over-analyzing this. They can treat the characters however they like because they're fictional and of their own creation. I agree that they obvious didn't care that much for the character if they were willing to kill her off so easily, but I don't think they were disrespectful. A fictional character is not worthy of respect because it doesn't really exist.
A white person telling a racial joke at the expense of those it pokes fun at is offensive because it stems from the systematic oppression of these people, while white people live in privilege. It's not at everyone's expense. A white person is not oppressed.
Again, I'm not taking issue with the fact that Sarah died. It's how she died.
I don't see what's offensive. I think people get way too offended way too easily these days. Why are you offended that Telltale didn't feel … morethe same way about Sarah that you did? Not everyone liked Sarah and that's perfectly acceptable.
I don't get your racial slur comparison either. Racial jokes do not cause people to get killed (my favorite show, South Park, tells them all the time, at EVERYONE'S expense) and why is it only offensive if a white person tells a racial joke? Shouldn't all races be regarded equally? A racial joke is not necessarily the symptom of a larger problem, nor are anti-male jokes or jokes about Southerners. They're just humor. It doesn't necessarily have to be a part of some larger issue. Individuals find different things funny. The world could be devoid of systemic racism and people would still make race jokes.
That's all beside the point anyways because I don't see how Telltale not liking Sarah as much as you is… [view original content]
Oh my gosh. First of all, she's a teenager (15 years old), not a child. She's a teenager in the ZA, which is pretty much an adult. When I was 15, I certainly didn't think of myself as being a child. When I was 17 (two years later), I was living alone, 3,500 miles away from home. So, 15 was not being a "child" to me and I'm sure many others agree. Sarah needed that slap. I liked Sarah and I chose the option immediately because I needed to snap her out of the daze she was in. Also, the person who slapped her was an 11 year old girl, not an adult. Clementine, her much younger friend, slapped her. I would have slapped one of my friends if they were going to give up and die. No offense, but I think you're just looking for things to be offended about. This is just so insignificant. I can't understand why you're so bothered by it. It seems like you want to have a gripe with Telltale because you were dissatisfied with Sarah's death. I was unhappy with her ending too, but it wasn't deserving of all this outrage that you're giving it.
People have the right to view things how they like, even if it offends your delicate sensibilities. It's not your duty to change other peopl… moree's views or opinions. You're not a moral authority. Let people think what they want. As a woman, I take no issue with the file being labeled "b*tch-slapped". There are far bigger problems in the world than someone labeling a file with a naughty word.
After reading some of the comments, I'm so glad most people here aren't overreacting like they were TT247's post about Greg Miller's thing. I got massive downvotes for disagreeing with them.
It makes me wonder if they still hate Jonah Hill for his 'faggot' insult against the TMZ guy, even though he apologized for it sincerely.
That's a far cry from Greg's "Sorry if you were offended. But I didn't know she was supposed to be disabled so it wasn't actually offensive. Now I'm going to continue to excuse myself from blame by saying that Sarah deserved to die because she was useless to me".
After reading some of the comments, I'm so glad most people here aren't overreacting like they were TT247's post about Greg Miller's thing. … moreI got massive downvotes for disagreeing with them.
It makes me wonder if they still hate Jonah Hill for his 'faggot' insult against the TMZ guy, even though he apologized for it sincerely.
I hate this part of modern media. This overreacting to stuff.
TT247, you're original OP in the "Shame on you Telltale" thread was valid, well written and constructive. But right now you're just adding to the hate that's spread because of this extreme nitpicking.
“My heart’s broken. I’m genuinely and deeply sorry to anyone who’s been affected by that term in their life. I’m sorry, and I don’t deserve … moreor expect your forgiveness.” http://www.metroweekly.com/2014/06/jonah-hill-apologizes-on-tonight-show-for-homophobic-slur/
That's a far cry from Greg's "Sorry if you were offended. But I didn't know she was supposed to be disabled so it wasn't actually offensive. Now I'm going to continue to excuse myself from blame by saying that Sarah deserved to die because she was useless to me".
Yeah I never got the impression Sarah was disabled. The panic attacks can happen to anyone and with Sarah seemingly sheltered from what's ha… moreppening to the world outside the cabin and what Carver could have potentially done it's very reasonable for her to freak out. When we first met the poor girl she was reading a book on Trans-dimensional body snatchers so I would say her intelligence is quite normal for her age. She is a lonely, young, sheltered teenager that was not born into this world nor had the training Lee and Christa gave to Clem, so the way she acts seems very reasonable.
“My heart’s broken. I’m genuinely and deeply sorry to anyone who’s been affected by that term in their life. I’m sorry, and I don’t deserve … moreor expect your forgiveness.” http://www.metroweekly.com/2014/06/jonah-hill-apologizes-on-tonight-show-for-homophobic-slur/
That's a far cry from Greg's "Sorry if you were offended. But I didn't know she was supposed to be disabled so it wasn't actually offensive. Now I'm going to continue to excuse myself from blame by saying that Sarah deserved to die because she was useless to me".
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You should not classify your opinion as evidence, bro.
i'm not a "bro". and there is evidence. look at my replies.
totally missing the point here.
the walking dead is not a comedy.
Sorry, I always forget that you're a girl. Did not mean to offend you
The thing is... In modern society people tend to look at statements made in the media and then interpret it in their own way, even when the person might have meant something entirely different. You don't have evidence. Russell Brand (great guy and British comedian) summed this up brilliantly quite recently. In direct face to face communication the person can explain themselves and ensure you have the right idea of what they mean, but that's impossible when it comes to public announcements and the like.
Panic attacks aren't a result of a disability, and in themselves are not a disability unless they are a regular occurrence.
I didn't say that Sarah was autistic just because she has panic attacks. Panic attacks are just one sign that a person may be autistic, not evidence in itself. There is other writing that indicates she may be autistic. There were many threads discussing this in the past but I don't have the links on me.
And your missing mine. Just because TellTale made a serious game doesn't mean they can't make jokes.
I wouldn't describe Sarah aus autistic. Sheldon from BBT may be autistic. Sarah's pretty much very far away from that, IMO.
Even if Telltale did not directly mean for their portrayal of Sarah to be offensive, it was.
Just because someone didn't mean to offend does not erase the fact that it was offensive. If I as a white person, used a racial slur as a joke, people would be offended. Even though I meant no harm by it, the fact that it is used as a joke is a symptom of a larger problem. A problem that affects millions of lives and causes them to be mistreated or even killed.
The media has a huge impact on public perception of these issues. Telltale seemed to have been aware of this and included a varied and diverse cast of characters who were treated with respect. Up until this point I had complete confidence in them that they would continue to treat their characters fairly. Not that I expected the world of TWDG to treat them fairly, but I expected them to be treated with importance and relevance. That didn't happen.
'May be' being the key thing to remember there. I never for one second even considered that she might have a disability. She seemed so normal and perfectly sane... More realistic than many of the other characters. She just had no idea about the outside world, that's all.
Also... My regular panic attacks do not substantially limit my ability to cope in everyday life. Nor do most people's. They seem like normal people until they're alone and that's when things get difficult. I've never seen a doctor refer to panic disorder as a disability as such.
i never said that it's a terrible thing for telltale to make jokes. it was a terrible thing to make jokes about this character whose portrayal had already been offensive. then they come on this new interview and join in on the mockery.
Being autistic =/= insane.
And just because you personally did not interpret her as autistic does not mean that Telltale couldn't have intended her to be.
Maybe you should visit the threads discussing it before you make up your mind
I read that whole stuff. I just don't agree.
I think they would have mentioned such an important character trait in an interview or tweet or something by now if that was the case..
And please, try not to twist my words. I'm not saying autistic people are insane, for fuck's sake. I of all people know what it's like to be generalized and bullied due to not being completely 'normal'.
That's not what I meant. It's 3AM and that may not have been the correct word. My point is she never acted as if she had Aspergers or Downs or anything like that. I've even worked with autists before and didn't notice any symptoms coming from Sarah... If that was Telltale's intention then they did a very shitty job.
You literally said "She seemed so normal and perfectly sane". Not sane = insane. Sorry if I misinterpreted but that's what you said.
Before you decide that they didn't show Sarah to have "enough" symptoms, maybe you should find the threads discussing it. I would do it for you but frankly I don't even know if itd be worth it.
And just because there aren't extremely strong symptoms does not mean that she couldnt possibly have been autistic. Autism is an extremely varied spectrum. And regular panic attacks are still a symptom of some kind of anxiety disorder, which is still a disability in itselff.
Her portrayal was offensive? How? From what I saw it was pretty realistic.
They didn't join in on any mockery. Greg made a joke, they laughed. Why should they be a stuffed shirt and say Greg's opinion on a character is wrong. Then we've got you assholes making people feel bad over a video game. It's a game. TellTale's not making hate speeches, they're just talking about disliking a character.
i'm an asshole for pointing out that the portrayal of a character was offensive?
Yeah, that's what I said because I'm tired. And yes, I've seen the Sarah-autism threads and I disagree... Telltale would have addressed that.
Those supposed symptoms are so ambiguous and unnoticeable that I think it's silly for people to claim Sarah somehow represents every player that's disabled. Trust me, I have knowledge of mental illness because of all the diagnosis I went through. I know how varied the autism-spectrum can be. I have experience there.
I noticed for the first time how much it's bugging me to disable the spoiler warning every time I enter a thread.
No. I'm talking about those people who got in such a fit because "Oh no, Greg doesn't like Sarah!!" And calling him Ableist which, by the way, that's a one hell of a leap in logic.
And you didn't answer my question. How was Sarah offensive? I've looked at it every way, people that I know for a fact have autism don't understand how Sarah was offensive.
Sorry but I really don't feel like having to explain the whole thing for the zillionth time. I've argued back and forth with people about Sarah's portrayal on multiple threads for nearly a month now. Take a look at my replies in this topic. You can also see my thread http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/77474
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because you don't think the signs were strong enough doesn't erase the fact that they existed.
Let me ask you something.
Does Telltale have to blatantly come up with some grandiose announcement for each character in order for you to accept that something is true about them? "THIS CHARACTER IS BLACK. THIS CHARACTER IS INDIAN. THIS CHARACTER IS GAY. THIS CHARACTER IS DISABLED." Why don't they do that? Because they show it, through direct and indirect characterization. It's obvious what the original intention was.
And even if I'm wrong, and Telltale never intended for us to think that Sarah is disabled, why is it such a terrible thing? Why is it wrong of me to argue that Sarah's portrayal was offensive?
Why is it such a terrible thing for an innocent and sympathetic young girl to have a disability, that doesn't villainize or dehumanize her, but is instead simply part of who she is? Why is it such a terrible thing to be disappointed that we were baited and then denied honest representation, and the fair treatment of a character who we could see ourselves in, a character who had once been portrayed with respect and importance?
I honestly don't understand how you can be arguing against this. If you have disabilities, you should understand how hurtful it is to be insulted so regularly, to be constantly portrayed as a lesser human being, to be reduced to nothing more than a burden. Why then are you so adamant that this isn't a big deal? I honestly don't understand.
I don't know how you can disrespect fiction, something of your own creation. Telltale created Sarah. How are they being disrespectful? I think you're over-analyzing this. They can treat the characters however they like because they're fictional and of their own creation. I agree that they obvious didn't care that much for the character if they were willing to kill her off so easily, but I don't think they were disrespectful. A fictional character is not worthy of respect because it doesn't really exist.
I don't see what's offensive. I think people get way too offended way too easily these days. Why are you offended that Telltale didn't feel the same way about Sarah that you did? Not everyone liked Sarah and that's perfectly acceptable.
I don't get your racial slur comparison either. Racial jokes do not cause people to get killed (my favorite show, South Park, tells them all the time, at EVERYONE'S expense) and why is it only offensive if a white person tells a racial joke? Shouldn't all races be regarded equally? A racial joke is not necessarily the symptom of a larger problem, nor are anti-male jokes or jokes about Southerners. They're just humor. It doesn't necessarily have to be a part of some larger issue. Individuals find different things funny. The world could be devoid of systemic racism and people would still make race jokes.
That's all beside the point anyways because I don't see how Telltale not liking Sarah as much as you is some great issue. It was NOT objectively offensive. It's offensive to YOU. There's a difference. I highly doubt they meant it to be offensive and yes, that does matter. Just because her death was disappointing doesn't mean her portrayal was offensive. You should stop getting so offended and realize that Telltale isn't going to always handle characters they way you want them to. It sucks and I get disappointed by it too. That doesn't mean they're offensive and that doesn't mean that they're a part of some larger issue (which you were implying with your race comparison). I don't think Sarah's end was handled well either, but it was far from being offensive.
People have the right to view things how they like, even if it offends your delicate sensibilities. It's not your duty to change other people's views or opinions. You're not a moral authority. Let people think what they want. As a woman, I take no issue with the file being labeled "b*tch-slapped". There are far bigger problems in the world than someone labeling a file with a naughty word.
You're not alone. I can't bring myself to care enough to be bothered. It's so insignificant, I'd have to pretty much have nothing going on my life to care about it.
Sarah is fictional, but people like her exist. Prior to this episode, her character was not portrayed in such a negative light. If you want to continue the discussion with me please reply to one of my comments or you can write your own new comment in my thread which is the first one here. Please don't ask me to repeat everything that's been already said, at this point it's just exhausting.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/77474/shame-on-you-telltale-spoilers
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/79200/neurotypical/
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/79293/sarah-hater-haters
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/79097/telltale-wanted-us-to-hate-sarah-and-nick
A white person telling a racial joke at the expense of those it pokes fun at is offensive because it stems from the systematic oppression of these people, while white people live in privilege. It's not at everyone's expense. A white person is not oppressed.
Again, I'm not taking issue with the fact that Sarah died. It's how she died.
Oh my gosh. First of all, she's a teenager (15 years old), not a child. She's a teenager in the ZA, which is pretty much an adult. When I was 15, I certainly didn't think of myself as being a child. When I was 17 (two years later), I was living alone, 3,500 miles away from home. So, 15 was not being a "child" to me and I'm sure many others agree. Sarah needed that slap. I liked Sarah and I chose the option immediately because I needed to snap her out of the daze she was in. Also, the person who slapped her was an 11 year old girl, not an adult. Clementine, her much younger friend, slapped her. I would have slapped one of my friends if they were going to give up and die. No offense, but I think you're just looking for things to be offended about. This is just so insignificant. I can't understand why you're so bothered by it. It seems like you want to have a gripe with Telltale because you were dissatisfied with Sarah's death. I was unhappy with her ending too, but it wasn't deserving of all this outrage that you're giving it.
I think you need to read my previous comments before judging me. sorry but i'm gettin real tired of explaining this over and over
Yikes! MJ was a smacker. I'd hate to have to sit by someone smacking popcorn at the movies. Lol. :-)
How do you look in the files?
After reading some of the comments, I'm so glad most people here aren't overreacting like they were TT247's post about Greg Miller's thing. I got massive downvotes for disagreeing with them.
It makes me wonder if they still hate Jonah Hill for his 'faggot' insult against the TMZ guy, even though he apologized for it sincerely.
“My heart’s broken. I’m genuinely and deeply sorry to anyone who’s been affected by that term in their life. I’m sorry, and I don’t deserve or expect your forgiveness.” http://www.metroweekly.com/2014/06/jonah-hill-apologizes-on-tonight-show-for-homophobic-slur/
That's a far cry from Greg's "Sorry if you were offended. But I didn't know she was supposed to be disabled so it wasn't actually offensive. Now I'm going to continue to excuse myself from blame by saying that Sarah deserved to die because she was useless to me".
I hate this part of modern media. This overreacting to stuff.
TT247, you're original OP in the "Shame on you Telltale" thread was valid, well written and constructive. But right now you're just adding to the hate that's spread because of this extreme nitpicking.
Thank you!
As Kenny says "People are too damn sensitive..."
Criticism for ingame files we were never meant to see? Totally valid.
Yeah,something like this....
Can we have a age restriction ?
Greg isn't a multi-millionaire with multiple, well-paid PR guys... of course Jonah wasn't sorry :P