This is not a belittling attitude. This has something to do with an extremely ridiculous nitpicking over the name of a sound file. At the point where people are upset about the name of the sound file, I think that's the point where the criticism ends and the hate begins.
As someone who could legitimately be considered 'retarded' I at least take no offense, lmao. You're in the right here. The nitpicking is cringeworthy as fuck.
This is not a belittling attitude. This has something to do with an extremely ridiculous nitpicking over the name of a sound file. At the po… moreint where people are upset about the name of the sound file, I think that's the point where the criticism ends and the hate begins.
Thank you. At this rate, I'm gonna drop out of this discussion anyways. I learned not to touch a hotplate and with every day that passes in this forum, I do understand Telltale more and more for not answering.
As someone who could legitimately be considered 'retarded' I at least take no offense, lmao. You're in the right here. The nitpicking is cringeworthy as fuck.
As someone who could legitimately be considered 'retarded' I at least take no offense, lmao. You're in the right here. The nitpicking is cringeworthy as fuck.
TT247, i respect you, because you made a lot of valid criticism and some great points in your OP. But please stop the obsession with trying to find evidence of Telltale being giant dicks to disabled people.
Plus, we're on the INTERNET here, discussing a VIDEO GAME. Not EVERY sentence has to be 100% politically correct. And the "retarded" thing - you understood the sarcasm in that, right? My girlfriend is working at a school with disabled people - I have the greatest respect for her and I'd never say anything to offend those. My "retarded" was meant from a social point of view.
There's literally no reason for anyone, whether they have dyspraxia, dyslexia, autism, clinical depression, anxiety disorder or any mental illness to be offended by what Aldimon said. This is the internet so we don't have to censor absolutely everything we say. The term 'retarded' is used in everyday conversation as a derogatory term but doesn't directly mean any offense towards people who are physically or mentally retarded, therefore I see it as being harmless and use the word myself casually quite a lot.
Of course i understood the sarcasm. But this is yet another example that is very relevant to what we're discussing here.
We're discussing whether or not the portrayal of Sarah was offensive. I believe that it was, because it directly plays into and validates offensive and wrong beliefs of society. The word "retarded" is an ableist slur. Dehumanizing and mocking the disabled. We've already discussed what ableism is so you can see how that's relevant to the situation.
We've also already talked about how the portrayal of a fictional character is a big deal. You should understand by now that a fictional story has very substantial effects in the world.
Here in the US, there was a movie just coming out recently called The Purge. It's a fictional story about a government-sanctioned day in which people are allowed to go out on crime sprees. The idea caught on and now people are actually going out on crime sprees in the name of this "purge", wearing masks from the movie, stealing, hurting people, and committing crimes.
The media does not occur in a vacuum. It has direct affects on the attitudes of millions.
Those who aren't educated on certain subjects such as disabilities get all their ideas on them from the media. That is why it is such a prevalent view that people are judged, hated, or even killed just because they have disabilities. The media validates these opinions. It is extremely rare for a disabled person to be represented in the media as anything other than comic relief, a prop for another character, a liability, useless, or a villian. That's why it's important to this discussion.
TT247, i respect you, because you made a lot of valid criticism and some great points in your OP. But please stop the obsession with trying… more to find evidence of Telltale being giant dicks to disabled people.
Plus, we're on the INTERNET here, discussing a VIDEO GAME. Not EVERY sentence has to be 100% politically correct. And the "retarded" thing - you understood the sarcasm in that, right? My girlfriend is working at a school with disabled people - I have the greatest respect for her and I'd never say anything to offend those. My "retarded" was meant from a social point of view.
Just because it's commonly used does not make it 'okay', ESPECIALLY if you actually have to take care of genuinely retarded people. It's the same thing with using 'gay' as an insult.
There's literally no reason for anyone, whether they have dyspraxia, dyslexia, autism, clinical depression, anxiety disorder or any mental i… morellness to be offended by what Aldimon said. This is the internet so we don't have to censor absolutely everything we say. The term 'retarded' is used in everyday conversation as a derogatory term but doesn't directly mean any offense towards people who are physically or mentally retarded, therefore I see it as being harmless and use the word myself casually quite a lot.
I'm just gonna drop out of this discussion at this point because this is getting ridiculous. I'm on this website to talk about a video game.
Not for this political sociological philosophical whatever it is.
God night to y'all, It's 4:30 AM and I think I should catch a little sleep before going to work tomorrow.
Next time on "Telltale Games Community: Is telltale really racist? Is Aldimon a Telltale mole? Is Hazzer his spy? You'll find out in episode 5: All Harm Done"
Of course i understood the sarcasm. But this is yet another example that is very relevant to what we're discussing here.
We're discussing… more whether or not the portrayal of Sarah was offensive. I believe that it was, because it directly plays into and validates offensive and wrong beliefs of society. The word "retarded" is an ableist slur. Dehumanizing and mocking the disabled. We've already discussed what ableism is so you can see how that's relevant to the situation.
We've also already talked about how the portrayal of a fictional character is a big deal. You should understand by now that a fictional story has very substantial effects in the world.
Here in the US, there was a movie just coming out recently called The Purge. It's a fictional story about a government-sanctioned day in which people are allowed to go out on crime sprees. The idea caught on and now people are actually going out on crime sprees in the name of this "purge", … [view original content]
Just because it's commonly used does not make it 'okay', ESPECIALLY if you actually have to take care of genuinely retarded people. It's the same thing with using 'gay' as an insult.
In my eyes it does make it okay. Both the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' have largely lost their original meaning. When they're used in the context of a derogatory phrase or insult offense is never meant towards those two groups.
Just because it's commonly used does not make it 'okay', ESPECIALLY if you actually have to take care of genuinely retarded people. It's the same thing with using 'gay' as an insult.
In my eyes it does make it okay. Both the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' have largely lost their original meaning. When they're used in the context of a derogatory phrase or insult offense is never meant towards those two groups.
In my eyes it does make it okay. Both the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' have largely lost their original meaning. When they're used in the context of a derogatory phrase or insult offense is never meant towards those two groups.
Yeah, and there's no correlation or even slight link between those words being used as jokes and gay/disabled people being murdered. I'm a retarded bisexual who jokingly throws out the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' all the time, but that doesn't mean I've killed anyone from either group... I don't see your point.
EDIT: Also gonna go and debrief with my Telltale overlo- I mean sleep, like Aldimon is. Too late for my mind to delve into philosophy.
The n word is used as a joke. People are killed for being black.
The word "gay" is used as a joke. People are killed for being gay.
The word "retarded" is used as a joke. People are killed for being disabled.
Yeah, and there's no correlation or even slight link between those words being used as jokes and gay/disabled people being murdered. I'm a r… moreetarded bisexual who jokingly throws out the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' all the time, but that doesn't mean I've killed anyone from either group... I don't see your point.
EDIT: Also gonna go and debrief with my Telltale overlo- I mean sleep, like Aldimon is. Too late for my mind to delve into philosophy.
Listen, it is very rude when people say those words and I understand. I have a friend who loosely use the n word and I'm like pipe down lad, but he doesn't stop and he said that people still will say it. Which got me thinking, unfortunately in this world, no matter how hard we try, there will always be a stubborn person believing in a idea whether good or bad. But that doesn't mean that bad, it just mean that sometimes we can't stop it completely. Also, in today society, even kids in my school, loosely use the words that may offend people, but was not meant to be offensive. I've learned to get use to it but, it is scary how people use the word gay to describe something bad, while in truth it means happiness. So if you see something like bitch slap written on a game file, it is just a little joke that helps them memorize something. Plus, if you listen in the playing dead interview, many may have wanted Sarah dead, but some didn't. Also, sorry if I'm talking in a bizarre way, I'm just tried and it is hard for me to focus on writing. I also like to add that I'm not saying that I love to say bad words, I just understand that a lot of people loosely use these words without consideration or thought of what they actually are saying.
There's a huge correlation. They originated because of the beliefs that those people are inferior.
Using those words in themselves doesn't make you a murderer. It's just one part of a very large problem.
I get it. But that's the kind of attitude that prevents change from actually happening.
I used to think "Well, I'm just one person, what can I do all by myself to affect change?" If everyone thought like that, nothing would ever be different.
At a certain point in the future, maybe the world will become some utopia where no racism or homophobia or ableism or misogyny exists. If somebody uses these words in such a future, they would still be no less hurtful. They would still be recalling a dark time, when people were killed simply because of being who they are.
Words matter. The media matters. Representation matters. And things can never change until we change them.
Listen, it is very rude when people say those words and I understand. I have a friend who loosely use the n word and I'm like pipe down lad,… more but he doesn't stop and he said that people still will say it. Which got me thinking, unfortunately in this world, no matter how hard we try, there will always be a stubborn person believing in a idea whether good or bad. But that doesn't mean that bad, it just mean that sometimes we can't stop it completely. Also, in today society, even kids in my school, loosely use the words that may offend people, but was not meant to be offensive. I've learned to get use to it but, it is scary how people use the word gay to describe something bad, while in truth it means happiness. So if you see something like bitch slap written on a game file, it is just a little joke that helps them memorize something. Plus, if you listen in the playing dead interview, many may have wanted Sarah dead, but some didn't. Also, sorry… [view original content]
I respect that, but I didn't say change won't happen, but it won't be complete. Look at it like the yin and yang, for there to be good, there must be bad. But yeah, I do hope in the future those words will be used less loosely as they are now being used now.
I get it. But that's the kind of attitude that prevents change from actually happening.
I used to think "Well, I'm just one person, what … morecan I do all by myself to affect change?" If everyone thought like that, nothing would ever be different.
At a certain point in the future, maybe the world will become some utopia where no racism or homophobia or ableism or misogyny exists. If somebody uses these words in such a future, they would still be no less hurtful. They would still be recalling a dark time, when people were killed simply because of being who they are.
Words matter. The media matters. Representation matters. And things can never change until we change them.
Thank you OP. Thank you for telling this stuff that we all wanted to say. I was very disappointed by In Harms Way. Again like other people said, it's fine on its own, but when you put them all together, it just makes a huge mess. Like I wanted to know more about the backstory with Carlos and Alvin and Carver. I wanted to know what the community thought of the place. I wanted to learn about the guards like, Tisha, Vera, etc. I wanted to learn more about them and if they think that Carver's intentions are for the better of the community. Also, like many others, I was completely disappointed about the 400 Days cameos. I wanted to catch up with them. I wanted to see what they also thought of the place, I wanted to see what they think happened to the people that stayed at the camp, I wanted to see how their struggles would come into play, (like Bonnie and her drug problem, I remember that someone said it would be kind of clever if Bonnie ended up stealing the medicine for Rebecca if you stole it from Arvo.) I seriously wanted them to meet Clem! So story wise on its own is okay, I can see why they would want to leave so fast, most people would in that situation. I just wanted to explore more for something that was extremely built up in the first two episodes.
Thank you! And thank you and everyone else who also brought up criticism to the season I didn't mention. tbh I wanted to make this be a write up on everything I saw done badly in this season but my post is so huge already & I'm already being accused of nitpicking lol.
But yes, about the 400 days cameos, definitely agree. What makes it even worse is Telltale's insistence that the 400 Days DLC would have massive importance to the plot. Instead, all we get is OOC cameos.
And failing to address what exactly happened in Carver's camp was a big mistake too imo. It's unfulfilling to build it up as some huge event but then it's completely glossed over.
And about Bonnie, I like her character but so far in the season she's been very underutilized as well. It almost seemed like her involvement with Carver might have been determinant, like you had to maybe convince her to help you, but she decides to do so either way. I think it would have been much more interesting for her to decide whether or not to help you escape Carver's depending on what happened in 400 Days.
And she doesn't have much of an involvement or personality carrying over from 400 Days either. You could just swap in any other character and it wouldn't have made a difference.
Thank you OP. Thank you for telling this stuff that we all wanted to say. I was very disappointed by In Harms Way. Again like other people s… moreaid, it's fine on its own, but when you put them all together, it just makes a huge mess. Like I wanted to know more about the backstory with Carlos and Alvin and Carver. I wanted to know what the community thought of the place. I wanted to learn about the guards like, Tisha, Vera, etc. I wanted to learn more about them and if they think that Carver's intentions are for the better of the community. Also, like many others, I was completely disappointed about the 400 Days cameos. I wanted to catch up with them. I wanted to see what they also thought of the place, I wanted to see what they think happened to the people that stayed at the camp, I wanted to see how their struggles would come into play, (like Bonnie and her drug problem, I remember that someone said it would be kind of clever if Bonnie ended up … [view original content]
Thank you! And thank you and everyone else who also brought up criticism to the season I didn't mention. tbh I wanted to make this be a writ… moree up on everything I saw done badly in this season but my post is so huge already & I'm already being accused of nitpicking lol.
But yes, about the 400 days cameos, definitely agree. What makes it even worse is Telltale's insistence that the 400 Days DLC would have massive importance to the plot. Instead, all we get is OOC cameos.
And failing to address what exactly happened in Carver's camp was a big mistake too imo. It's unfulfilling to build it up as some huge event but then it's completely glossed over.
And about Bonnie, I like her character but so far in the season she's been very underutilized as well. It almost seemed like her involvement with Carver might have been determinant, like you had to maybe convince her to help you, but she decides to do so either way. I think it would have b… [view original content]
indeed, Carver was a very shallow villain. The worst and most memorable villains are ones you hate but are disturbingly human. I found it ridiculous that He touted "YOUR JUST LIKE ME" when all he did was slap clem around and be a threatening ass.
If he was more meticulous and better with words and literally was splitting the group with whether they should side with him or not because of his resources, then it would be more akin to a game of choices and opinions rather than them just spitting out a rushed narrative for Episode 3.
It wasn't just one episode. Episode 3 was also pretty damn bad. I wrote some of this here already:
They didn't spend enough time explorin… moreg Carver's prison/safe zone. There were heaps of other survivors there, but you didn't get an opinion on what they think or feel. Some of them might have been good, some bad. And yet all we saw we were lazy cameos of the 200 days characters. Well, except for Bonnie.
Sure, things were bad for your group and the indian guy, but the Carver's group were well fed and well armed. We didn't even get to see how they lived their lives or what they thought at all.
And didn't anyone else think Clem and others kind of doomed people that were there lol?
Remember in the first ep, when we first thought Rebecca (pregnant lady) was a bitch to Clem? Because she was mean and didn't want the group to help her? And we all hated her for it?
She then goes all apologetic, and boom, everything's supposed to be all am… [view original content]
Its basically why I had trouble taking any of the characters seriously ep 3 and onwards. I laughed when he said "You're just like me"
Seriously:
Rebecca: Stupid heel face turn. Initially intensely distrusts and hates Clem, and then she likes Clem, depends on her, 'you'll be like a big sister to the baby', etc.
Alvin: Didn't do much. Kind of forgettable, and was another inevitable death that couldn't be changed.
Nick: Barely there for ep3. Fails to follow his 'character progression' in ep 2 (which was ok I guess. He was kind of like Ben in the way he screws up. Didn't really ever make up for it though). Dies off screen. Basically forgotten by Luke.
Sarah: She was interesting in ep1, but didn't do anything interesting or go through a compelling scene/bit after that. Christmas tree part was a waste of time, tree cutting part was also uninteresting as a binary choice that doesn't affect anything. I didn't really feel anything for her, except that I should probably try to save her life if at all possible. Which it inevitably was not. Also, they never clearly point out the basis for her behaviour, except for that she was 'sheltered'. She didn't change at all throughout eps1-3.
Its kind of like being Neo, you see patterns in the matrix, i.e. story choices. Kenny vs Luke, Clem doing stuff only she can do, etc I knew Nick was doomed when he could die in ep2, which is why I knew he'd die eventually. His lack of presence in ep3 confirmed it.
Its why I found it hard to believe people would be offended when alot of this season is laughable.
indeed, Carver was a very shallow villain. The worst and most memorable villains are ones you hate but are disturbingly human. I found it ri… morediculous that He touted "YOUR JUST LIKE ME" when all he did was slap clem around and be a threatening ass.
If he was more meticulous and better with words and literally was splitting the group with whether they should side with him or not because of his resources, then it would be more akin to a game of choices and opinions rather than them just spitting out a rushed narrative for Episode 3.
I feel like Telltale needs to care for their characters more. If they are going to take joy in killing someone off, it should be an antagonist. Now they made controversial statements based on a character that I did not want to die at all. She reminded me so much of myself. Hearing they wanted her dead makes me feel... sick... because I saw myself in her, leaning on others for support when I am unable to support myself. I feel like I was insulted... I'm sure it wasn't their intent, but I felt that way all the same. Telltale needs to stand up for their creation and say "he/she has a purpose!"
They can have their opinions, but should always stand up for ALL characters and justify them. Now as far as I can tell, Sarah meant nothing to them.
I won't hate telltale for this, but... I am disappointed in them.
I feel like Telltale needs to care for their characters more. If they are going to take joy in killing someone off, it should be an antagon… moreist. Now they made controversial statements based on a character that I did not want to die at all. She reminded me so much of myself. Hearing they wanted her dead makes me feel... sick... because I saw myself in her, leaning on others for support when I am unable to support myself. I feel like I was insulted... I'm sure it wasn't their intent, but I felt that way all the same. Telltale needs to stand up for their creation and say "he/she has a purpose!"
They can have their opinions, but should always stand up for ALL characters and justify them. Now as far as I can tell, Sarah meant nothing to them.
I won't hate telltale for this, but... I am disappointed in them.
Bonnie is a female, that must account for something, right? /sarcasm
I already brought up the 400 Days characters and its a damn shame th… moreey disappeared in season 2 becasue they had great potential.
By the way, people are getting all giddy over in the release date thread... Just sayin'.
Yes, this is another point that seems to keep getting lost too. It's not just that we're mad because we think Sarah had a disability so now it's all about "mah social justice" as they like to say. Even if Sarah wasn't disabled (which she clearly was) Greg Miller took obvious delight in the death of a young girl who never did anything wrong. And Telltale did nothing but point all signs that they agree.
I feel like Telltale needs to care for their characters more. If they are going to take joy in killing someone off, it should be an antagon… moreist. Now they made controversial statements based on a character that I did not want to die at all. She reminded me so much of myself. Hearing they wanted her dead makes me feel... sick... because I saw myself in her, leaning on others for support when I am unable to support myself. I feel like I was insulted... I'm sure it wasn't their intent, but I felt that way all the same. Telltale needs to stand up for their creation and say "he/she has a purpose!"
They can have their opinions, but should always stand up for ALL characters and justify them. Now as far as I can tell, Sarah meant nothing to them.
I won't hate telltale for this, but... I am disappointed in them.
FACT To rise to the level of a disability for which Social Security will pay monthly benefits, the Social Security Administration (SSA) requires that you have:
*attacks of apprehension, fear, and terror with a sense of doom, that
*occur frequently (on average of at least once per week), and
*are sudden and unpredictable.
In addition, the panic attacks must cause you serious problems with one of the following
*social functioning
*being able to leave your house
*focusing on tasks, or
*necessary activities like cooking, eating, dressing, bathing, and homemaking.
"I really liked Sarah and was upset when she got killed off."
There is NO way you could've missed that.
For God's sake, it's the irony… more of someone letting a video game kid character die when the morally right thing to do is save her is what I find funny.
As someone who could legitimately be considered 'retarded' I at least take no offense, lmao. You're in the right here. The nitpicking is cringeworthy as fuck.
A lot of disabled people actually are very, very offended by that word. You do not represent all disabled people. Stop trying to justify and excuse disgusting, problematic language just because you personally haven't been hurt by it the way thousands of other people have.
There's literally no reason for anyone, whether they have dyspraxia, dyslexia, autism, clinical depression, anxiety disorder or any mental i… morellness to be offended by what Aldimon said. This is the internet so we don't have to censor absolutely everything we say. The term 'retarded' is used in everyday conversation as a derogatory term but doesn't directly mean any offense towards people who are physically or mentally retarded, therefore I see it as being harmless and use the word myself casually quite a lot.
FACT To rise to the level of a disability for which Social Security will pay monthly benefits, the Social Security Administration (SSA) requ… moreires that you have:
*attacks of apprehension, fear, and terror with a sense of doom, that
*occur frequently (on average of at least once per week), and
*are sudden and unpredictable.
In addition, the panic attacks must cause you serious problems with one of the following
*social functioning
*being able to leave your house
*focusing on tasks, or
*necessary activities like cooking, eating, dressing, bathing, and homemaking.
http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/win-can-you-get-disability-for-panic-attacks.html
confirmation of Sarah's disability
Good find! Judging by what we've seen of Sarah, she would quite easily fit into this.
Obviously I'm sure it's a way more complicated process than just ticking off a checklist, but... this is still a really good point to bring up.
That apparently there are people actually liking season 2 and not only that, thinks its good. I just mentioned it because its easy to get stuck in a thread like this where there's a lot of discussion going on in a different direction. And I didn't see your name in there, but you are the more active here. It's not critizism, just an observation (FYI - I happen to agree with you on every single thing you've brought up and then some).
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I would've laughed if that person deserved a slap (like Walter for getting Nick killed) ,but not somebody who lost their dad and is also scared...
Please don't use the word "retarded" like that. And don't take such a belittling attitude. You can disagree with someone without offending them.
If a white person makes a joke with a racial slur, people are offended. The person making a joke meant no offense, but it's still offensive.
This is not a belittling attitude. This has something to do with an extremely ridiculous nitpicking over the name of a sound file. At the point where people are upset about the name of the sound file, I think that's the point where the criticism ends and the hate begins.
As someone who could legitimately be considered 'retarded' I at least take no offense, lmao. You're in the right here. The nitpicking is cringeworthy as fuck.
I was being sarcastic.
Thank you. At this rate, I'm gonna drop out of this discussion anyways. I learned not to touch a hotplate and with every day that passes in this forum, I do understand Telltale more and more for not answering.
oops sorry. going through the same arguments so many times is really tiring me out. sorry
just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else can be.
TT247, i respect you, because you made a lot of valid criticism and some great points in your OP. But please stop the obsession with trying to find evidence of Telltale being giant dicks to disabled people.
Plus, we're on the INTERNET here, discussing a VIDEO GAME. Not EVERY sentence has to be 100% politically correct. And the "retarded" thing - you understood the sarcasm in that, right? My girlfriend is working at a school with disabled people - I have the greatest respect for her and I'd never say anything to offend those. My "retarded" was meant from a social point of view.
There's literally no reason for anyone, whether they have dyspraxia, dyslexia, autism, clinical depression, anxiety disorder or any mental illness to be offended by what Aldimon said. This is the internet so we don't have to censor absolutely everything we say. The term 'retarded' is used in everyday conversation as a derogatory term but doesn't directly mean any offense towards people who are physically or mentally retarded, therefore I see it as being harmless and use the word myself casually quite a lot.
Of course i understood the sarcasm. But this is yet another example that is very relevant to what we're discussing here.
We're discussing whether or not the portrayal of Sarah was offensive. I believe that it was, because it directly plays into and validates offensive and wrong beliefs of society. The word "retarded" is an ableist slur. Dehumanizing and mocking the disabled. We've already discussed what ableism is so you can see how that's relevant to the situation.
We've also already talked about how the portrayal of a fictional character is a big deal. You should understand by now that a fictional story has very substantial effects in the world.
Here in the US, there was a movie just coming out recently called The Purge. It's a fictional story about a government-sanctioned day in which people are allowed to go out on crime sprees. The idea caught on and now people are actually going out on crime sprees in the name of this "purge", wearing masks from the movie, stealing, hurting people, and committing crimes.
The media does not occur in a vacuum. It has direct affects on the attitudes of millions.
Those who aren't educated on certain subjects such as disabilities get all their ideas on them from the media. That is why it is such a prevalent view that people are judged, hated, or even killed just because they have disabilities. The media validates these opinions. It is extremely rare for a disabled person to be represented in the media as anything other than comic relief, a prop for another character, a liability, useless, or a villian. That's why it's important to this discussion.
Just because it's commonly used does not make it 'okay', ESPECIALLY if you actually have to take care of genuinely retarded people. It's the same thing with using 'gay' as an insult.
I'm just gonna drop out of this discussion at this point because this is getting ridiculous. I'm on this website to talk about a video game.
Not for this political sociological philosophical whatever it is.
God night to y'all, It's 4:30 AM and I think I should catch a little sleep before going to work tomorrow.
Next time on "Telltale Games Community: Is telltale really racist? Is Aldimon a Telltale mole? Is Hazzer his spy? You'll find out in episode 5: All Harm Done"
FUNNY as hell. Gay.
In my eyes it does make it okay. Both the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' have largely lost their original meaning. When they're used in the context of a derogatory phrase or insult offense is never meant towards those two groups.
This.
The n word is used as a joke. People are killed for being black.
The word "gay" is used as a joke. People are killed for being gay.
The word "retarded" is used as a joke. People are killed for being disabled.
Yeah, and there's no correlation or even slight link between those words being used as jokes and gay/disabled people being murdered. I'm a retarded bisexual who jokingly throws out the terms 'retarded' and 'gay' all the time, but that doesn't mean I've killed anyone from either group... I don't see your point.
EDIT: Also gonna go and debrief with my Telltale overlo- I mean sleep, like Aldimon is. Too late for my mind to delve into philosophy.
There's a huge correlation. They originated because of the beliefs that those people are inferior.
Using those words in themselves doesn't make you a murderer. It's just one part of a very large problem.
Listen, it is very rude when people say those words and I understand. I have a friend who loosely use the n word and I'm like pipe down lad, but he doesn't stop and he said that people still will say it. Which got me thinking, unfortunately in this world, no matter how hard we try, there will always be a stubborn person believing in a idea whether good or bad. But that doesn't mean that bad, it just mean that sometimes we can't stop it completely. Also, in today society, even kids in my school, loosely use the words that may offend people, but was not meant to be offensive. I've learned to get use to it but, it is scary how people use the word gay to describe something bad, while in truth it means happiness. So if you see something like bitch slap written on a game file, it is just a little joke that helps them memorize something. Plus, if you listen in the playing dead interview, many may have wanted Sarah dead, but some didn't. Also, sorry if I'm talking in a bizarre way, I'm just tried and it is hard for me to focus on writing. I also like to add that I'm not saying that I love to say bad words, I just understand that a lot of people loosely use these words without consideration or thought of what they actually are saying.
I get it. But that's the kind of attitude that prevents change from actually happening.
I used to think "Well, I'm just one person, what can I do all by myself to affect change?" If everyone thought like that, nothing would ever be different.
At a certain point in the future, maybe the world will become some utopia where no racism or homophobia or ableism or misogyny exists. If somebody uses these words in such a future, they would still be no less hurtful. They would still be recalling a dark time, when people were killed simply because of being who they are.
Words matter. The media matters. Representation matters. And things can never change until we change them.
I respect that, but I didn't say change won't happen, but it won't be complete. Look at it like the yin and yang, for there to be good, there must be bad. But yeah, I do hope in the future those words will be used less loosely as they are now being used now.
Thank you OP. Thank you for telling this stuff that we all wanted to say. I was very disappointed by In Harms Way. Again like other people said, it's fine on its own, but when you put them all together, it just makes a huge mess. Like I wanted to know more about the backstory with Carlos and Alvin and Carver. I wanted to know what the community thought of the place. I wanted to learn about the guards like, Tisha, Vera, etc. I wanted to learn more about them and if they think that Carver's intentions are for the better of the community. Also, like many others, I was completely disappointed about the 400 Days cameos. I wanted to catch up with them. I wanted to see what they also thought of the place, I wanted to see what they think happened to the people that stayed at the camp, I wanted to see how their struggles would come into play, (like Bonnie and her drug problem, I remember that someone said it would be kind of clever if Bonnie ended up stealing the medicine for Rebecca if you stole it from Arvo.) I seriously wanted them to meet Clem! So story wise on its own is okay, I can see why they would want to leave so fast, most people would in that situation. I just wanted to explore more for something that was extremely built up in the first two episodes.
Thank you! And thank you and everyone else who also brought up criticism to the season I didn't mention. tbh I wanted to make this be a write up on everything I saw done badly in this season but my post is so huge already & I'm already being accused of nitpicking lol.
But yes, about the 400 days cameos, definitely agree. What makes it even worse is Telltale's insistence that the 400 Days DLC would have massive importance to the plot. Instead, all we get is OOC cameos.
And failing to address what exactly happened in Carver's camp was a big mistake too imo. It's unfulfilling to build it up as some huge event but then it's completely glossed over.
And about Bonnie, I like her character but so far in the season she's been very underutilized as well. It almost seemed like her involvement with Carver might have been determinant, like you had to maybe convince her to help you, but she decides to do so either way. I think it would have been much more interesting for her to decide whether or not to help you escape Carver's depending on what happened in 400 Days.
And she doesn't have much of an involvement or personality carrying over from 400 Days either. You could just swap in any other character and it wouldn't have made a difference.
Bonnie is a female, that must account for something, right? /sarcasm
I already brought up the 400 Days characters and its a damn shame they disappeared in season 2 becasue they had great potential.
By the way, people are getting all giddy over in the release date thread... Just sayin'.
indeed, Carver was a very shallow villain. The worst and most memorable villains are ones you hate but are disturbingly human. I found it ridiculous that He touted "YOUR JUST LIKE ME" when all he did was slap clem around and be a threatening ass.
If he was more meticulous and better with words and literally was splitting the group with whether they should side with him or not because of his resources, then it would be more akin to a game of choices and opinions rather than them just spitting out a rushed narrative for Episode 3.
Its basically why I had trouble taking any of the characters seriously ep 3 and onwards. I laughed when he said "You're just like me"
Seriously:
Rebecca: Stupid heel face turn. Initially intensely distrusts and hates Clem, and then she likes Clem, depends on her, 'you'll be like a big sister to the baby', etc.
Alvin: Didn't do much. Kind of forgettable, and was another inevitable death that couldn't be changed.
Nick: Barely there for ep3. Fails to follow his 'character progression' in ep 2 (which was ok I guess. He was kind of like Ben in the way he screws up. Didn't really ever make up for it though). Dies off screen. Basically forgotten by Luke.
Sarah: She was interesting in ep1, but didn't do anything interesting or go through a compelling scene/bit after that. Christmas tree part was a waste of time, tree cutting part was also uninteresting as a binary choice that doesn't affect anything. I didn't really feel anything for her, except that I should probably try to save her life if at all possible. Which it inevitably was not. Also, they never clearly point out the basis for her behaviour, except for that she was 'sheltered'. She didn't change at all throughout eps1-3.
Its kind of like being Neo, you see patterns in the matrix, i.e. story choices. Kenny vs Luke, Clem doing stuff only she can do, etc I knew Nick was doomed when he could die in ep2, which is why I knew he'd die eventually. His lack of presence in ep3 confirmed it.
Its why I found it hard to believe people would be offended when alot of this season is laughable.
I feel like Telltale needs to care for their characters more. If they are going to take joy in killing someone off, it should be an antagonist. Now they made controversial statements based on a character that I did not want to die at all. She reminded me so much of myself. Hearing they wanted her dead makes me feel... sick... because I saw myself in her, leaning on others for support when I am unable to support myself. I feel like I was insulted... I'm sure it wasn't their intent, but I felt that way all the same. Telltale needs to stand up for their creation and say "he/she has a purpose!"
They can have their opinions, but should always stand up for ALL characters and justify them. Now as far as I can tell, Sarah meant nothing to them.
I won't hate telltale for this, but... I am disappointed in them.
And if Sarah really meant nothing to you, then there was no point to either Carlos nor Sarah.
Lesson of the day: take pride and defend your creation, even if you don't like it personally.
...what are you trying to say exactly? o.O
Yes, this is another point that seems to keep getting lost too. It's not just that we're mad because we think Sarah had a disability so now it's all about "mah social justice" as they like to say. Even if Sarah wasn't disabled (which she clearly was) Greg Miller took obvious delight in the death of a young girl who never did anything wrong. And Telltale did nothing but point all signs that they agree.
FACT To rise to the level of a disability for which Social Security will pay monthly benefits, the Social Security Administration (SSA) requires that you have:
*attacks of apprehension, fear, and terror with a sense of doom, that
*occur frequently (on average of at least once per week), and
*are sudden and unpredictable.
In addition, the panic attacks must cause you serious problems with one of the following
*social functioning
*being able to leave your house
*focusing on tasks, or
*necessary activities like cooking, eating, dressing, bathing, and homemaking.
http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/win-can-you-get-disability-for-panic-attacks.html
confirmation of Sarah's disability
There is just no pleasing some people...
"I laughed at what Greg said." Bit of a contradiction.
Since when do you speak for everyone?
A lot of disabled people actually are very, very offended by that word. You do not represent all disabled people. Stop trying to justify and excuse disgusting, problematic language just because you personally haven't been hurt by it the way thousands of other people have.
Good find! Judging by what we've seen of Sarah, she would quite easily fit into this.
Obviously I'm sure it's a way more complicated process than just ticking off a checklist, but... this is still a really good point to bring up.
I tried explaining Sarah's disability before.
Might as well post it here since it's a pro Sarah thread.
That apparently there are people actually liking season 2 and not only that, thinks its good. I just mentioned it because its easy to get stuck in a thread like this where there's a lot of discussion going on in a different direction. And I didn't see your name in there, but you are the more active here. It's not critizism, just an observation (FYI - I happen to agree with you on every single thing you've brought up and then some).