Whilst I agree with you on the greg thing, being offended at the term "bitchslap" being used in an audio file is taking it too far. Simple words should never be offensive in and of themselves. No-one should get butthurt over a mere arrangement of syllables, what matters is the meaning behind them. In this case it wasn't specific to sarah it seems and it was probably just an employee who used a popular phrase that is, nowadays, most often used in jest and parody for the name of an audio file. I don't think it's a big deal, I think the normative (I don't like the term ableist) theme of season 2 is a far and away bigger problem.
“My heart’s broken. I’m genuinely and deeply sorry to anyone who’s been affected by that term in their life. I’m sorry, and I don’t deserve … moreor expect your forgiveness.” http://www.metroweekly.com/2014/06/jonah-hill-apologizes-on-tonight-show-for-homophobic-slur/
That's a far cry from Greg's "Sorry if you were offended. But I didn't know she was supposed to be disabled so it wasn't actually offensive. Now I'm going to continue to excuse myself from blame by saying that Sarah deserved to die because she was useless to me".
How is what I've been saying suddenly invalid the minute I start talking about it like anything other than an unemotional logic-driven robot?? I haven't changed my mind from anything. this is just another example contributing to beliefs that I already talked about weeks before the Playing Dead episode came out!
I hate this part of modern media. This overreacting to stuff.
TT247, you're original OP in the "Shame on you Telltale" thread was valid, w… moreell written and constructive. But right now you're just adding to the hate that's spread because of this extreme nitpicking.
I think he did regret saying it, but he wasn't actually sorry for saying it. The paparazzi guy was being a dick. But alas, Jonah is a famous actor and that would be a huge dent in his reputation and career if he tried justifying it. Whilst Greg is an IGN host... enough said really there. Greg doesn't have people to write out a well worded apology to those he offended when he wasn't trying to... whilst there isn't really a way to sugarcoat calling someone a "faggot." I'd say Greg was more sorry for offending people than Jonah was, Greg could have simply dismissed it whilst Jonah NEEDED to address it, or it would be stuck with him for years.
You know, when you're sorry your opinion offends someone it doesn't mean you have to take it back.
Jonah recognized that the slur he used was homophobic and hurtful to gay people and his apology acknowledged that. He didn't take back his anger for the paparazzi, he recognized that what he said was offensive and apologized for those who were hurt by such slurs.
Greg on the other hand absolved himself from blame by saying that the people hurt by his words were misunderstanding him. He tried to justify it by continuing to say that he hated Sarah and that he thought she should have been left behind because she was "not normal". And that's why people were offended in the first place, he never actually recognized that he was being offensive. He just keeps digging the hole deeper.
I think he did regret saying it, but he wasn't actually sorry for saying it. The paparazzi guy was being a dick. But alas, Jonah is a famous… more actor and that would be a huge dent in his reputation and career if he tried justifying it. Whilst Greg is an IGN host... enough said really there. Greg doesn't have people to write out a well worded apology to those he offended when he wasn't trying to... whilst there isn't really a way to sugarcoat calling someone a "faggot." I'd say Greg was more sorry for offending people than Jonah was, Greg could have simply dismissed it whilst Jonah NEEDED to address it, or it would be stuck with him for years.
You know, when you're sorry your opinion offends someone it doesn't mean you have to take it back.
Besides, if you've read his apology, he does say they were misunderstanding him... because everyone's been calling him out for being "ableist" and "thinking the disabled should die." when that's clearly not the case. If you want him to apologise, people need to let him know the actual thing they want an apology for. "not normal" being, not normal to that environment, the world they live in, which he also states in his post.
Jonah recognized that the slur he used was homophobic and hurtful to gay people and his apology acknowledged that. He didn't take back his a… morenger for the paparazzi, he recognized that what he said was offensive and apologized for those who were hurt by such slurs.
Greg on the other hand absolved himself from blame by saying that the people hurt by his words were misunderstanding him. He tried to justify it by continuing to say that he hated Sarah and that he thought she should have been left behind because she was "not normal". And that's why people were offended in the first place, he never actually recognized that he was being offensive. He just keeps digging the hole deeper.
I'm in two minds as to whether to forgive greg. On the one hand, he did apologise, on the other it seemed more like a "sorry that you got offended" nonpology. Either way I don't think it really matters to the real issue because greg isn't the one programming the game.
Did... you just skip over half my post?
Besides, if you've read his apology, he does say they were misunderstanding him... because everyo… morene's been calling him out for being "ableist" and "thinking the disabled should die." when that's clearly not the case. If you want him to apologise, people need to let him know the actual thing they want an apology for. "not normal" being, not normal to that environment, the world they live in, which he also states in his post.
Exactly. Greg is another consumer like the rest of us, but he's with IGN, so that puts him closer to the producers as one of us. Now people will probably go "Well that gives him responsibility to represent us and he's doing it wrong!" No. Everyone's playthrough is different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The downside of Greg being in his position is that most of the Telltale forums don't like his choices and call him a horrible person for it.
People also say that the questions he asks are shitty, but I watched one of his livestreams and he answered a question asking if they were his questions and his reply was "No, the producers of the show just hand me a list of questions to fill in the gaps on the way."
I'm in two minds as to whether to forgive greg. On the one hand, he did apologise, on the other it seemed more like a "sorry that you got of… morefended" nonpology. Either way I don't think it really matters to the real issue because greg isn't the one programming the game.
Exactly. Greg is another consumer like the rest of us, but he's with IGN, so that puts him closer to the producers as one of us. Now people … morewill probably go "Well that gives him responsibility to represent us and he's doing it wrong!" No. Everyone's playthrough is different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The downside of Greg being in his position is that most of the Telltale forums don't like his choices and call him a horrible person for it.
People also say that the questions he asks are shitty, but I watched one of his livestreams and he answered a question asking if they were his questions and his reply was "No, the producers of the show just hand me a list of questions to fill in the gaps on the way."
I didn't bother replying to the part where you were like Greg didn't have to worry about how "well-worded" his apology was because he's not as famous as Jonah because frankly that doesn't make any sense.
Did... you just skip over half my post?
Besides, if you've read his apology, he does say they were misunderstanding him... because everyo… morene's been calling him out for being "ableist" and "thinking the disabled should die." when that's clearly not the case. If you want him to apologise, people need to let him know the actual thing they want an apology for. "not normal" being, not normal to that environment, the world they live in, which he also states in his post.
It's still a video game, you know? Telltale did not call out someone as a faggot or degraded disabled persons. They just killed off a character. You can criticize the way, but arguing that it's offensive for disabled people is questionable IMO.
I didn't bother replying to the part where you were like Greg didn't have to worry about how "well-worded" his apology was because he's not as famous as Jonah because frankly that doesn't make any sense.
Meh. I still think he's a dick for saying what he did, but really there's no point vilifying him for it. Everyone I know has some shitty opinions most likely but that doesn't make them bad people. Attacking Greg fiercely doesn't really accomplish anything, you just make him kind of a martyr. He doesn't have any say in how the game itself plays out so fuck it. Since he did "apologize" I'm inclined to ignore him and go back to complaining about the shitty writing in the game.
Exactly. Greg is another consumer like the rest of us, but he's with IGN, so that puts him closer to the producers as one of us. Now people … morewill probably go "Well that gives him responsibility to represent us and he's doing it wrong!" No. Everyone's playthrough is different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The downside of Greg being in his position is that most of the Telltale forums don't like his choices and call him a horrible person for it.
People also say that the questions he asks are shitty, but I watched one of his livestreams and he answered a question asking if they were his questions and his reply was "No, the producers of the show just hand me a list of questions to fill in the gaps on the way."
It makes perfect sense. Greg doesn't have paparazzi coming after him looking for a story. Greg won't be asked years down the line "So why do you hate disabled people?" MILLIONS of people don't even know how Greg Miller is, whilst Jonah Hill is a household name. I used to like Mel Gibson for example, and then he was a racist bigot. That's been held against him for years which is more likely to happen to Jonah if he didn't apologise, than it is to Greg.
I didn't bother replying to the part where you were like Greg didn't have to worry about how "well-worded" his apology was because he's not as famous as Jonah because frankly that doesn't make any sense.
The media matters. Representation matters. You can easily wave off the portrayal of a fictional character in a video game when it's not important personally to you. But we've already talked about how Sarah's portrayal was playing right into the harmful and wrong views on the disabled of the media at large, and how that's a bad thing. I thought you were finally understanding me in this?
It's still a video game, you know? Telltale did not call out someone as a faggot or degraded disabled persons. They just killed off a character. You can criticize the way, but arguing that it's offensive for disabled people is questionable IMO.
It makes perfect sense. Greg doesn't have paparazzi coming after him looking for a story. Greg won't be asked years down the line "So why do… more you hate disabled people?" MILLIONS of people don't even know how Greg Miller is, whilst Jonah Hill is a household name. I used to like Mel Gibson for example, and then he was a racist bigot. That's been held against him for years which is more likely to happen to Jonah if he didn't apologise, than it is to Greg.
Take Jim Carrey and what he said about a kick-ass 2 film. Made it, got a lot of money and talked shit about it afterwards because of this massacre. Fact is, there is a difference between the real world and fiction. I think people like Jim Carrey deserve much more hate than a Greg Miller who just tries to make some jokes about a video game he likes.
I didn't bother replying to the part where you were like Greg didn't have to worry about how "well-worded" his apology was because he's not as famous as Jonah because frankly that doesn't make any sense.
That would be the most reasonable thing to do. You know, I wasn't even pissed in the first place. I understand and respect his opinion, and I see where he's coming from... it doesn't mean I agree with it. Be angry with Telltale for making a character like Sarah and 'treating her the way they did' rather than be angry at Greg, who a lot of people agree with and also ditched Sarah. This whole thing started on Tumblr... so of course it would get out of hand :P
Meh. I still think he's a dick for saying what he did, but really there's no point vilifying him for it. Everyone I know has some shitty opi… morenions most likely but that doesn't make them bad people. Attacking Greg fiercely doesn't really accomplish anything, you just make him kind of a martyr. He doesn't have any say in how the game itself plays out so fuck it. Since he did "apologize" I'm inclined to ignore him and go back to complaining about the shitty writing in the game.
The media matters. Representation matters. You can easily wave off the portrayal of a fictional character in a video game when it's not impo… morertant personally to you. But we've already talked about how Sarah's portrayal was playing right into the harmful and wrong views on the disabled of the media at large, and how that's a bad thing. I thought you were finally understanding me in this?
There is a difference between the real world and fiction. But the media plays a hugely important role in our society and how we view people. I already explained to you on my thread how this works. If you seriously still refuse to believe it after all this I don't know what else I can tell you.
Take Jim Carrey and what he said about a kick-ass 2 film. Made it, got a lot of money and talked shit about it afterwards because of this ma… moressacre. Fact is, there is a difference between the real world and fiction. I think people like Jim Carrey deserve much more hate than a Greg Miller who just tries to make some jokes about a video game he likes.
I hate this part of modern media. This overreacting to stuff.
TT247, you're original OP in the "Shame on you Telltale" thread was valid, w… moreell written and constructive. But right now you're just adding to the hate that's spread because of this extreme nitpicking.
That thread is talking about how Sarah is in fact disabled. It's explaining the symptoms she displays in detail and explaining how that relates to an actual disability.
I understand that you are offended by the way Sarah died and how Greg Miller reacted to it, and that the Telltale employees did not defend Sarah or attack him because of his words. I'm not okay with you representing it as a fact that Greg Miller and those Telltale people were offending disabled people and how the name of the soundfile is evidence what assholes the Telltale Staff is obviously supposed to be.
The media matters. Representation matters. You can easily wave off the portrayal of a fictional character in a video game when it's not impo… morertant personally to you. But we've already talked about how Sarah's portrayal was playing right into the harmful and wrong views on the disabled of the media at large, and how that's a bad thing. I thought you were finally understanding me in this?
I'm not saying that at all. But the more who know, the more who care right? Jonah would be called out in the middle of the street and it would be on the front of magazines, because we know how the media love a good scandal, whilst Greg would have shit talked about him on a forum... sound familiar?
That thread is talking about how Sarah is in fact disabled. It's explaining the symptoms she displays in detail and explaining how that relates to an actual disability.
There is a difference between the real world and fiction. But the media plays a hugely important role in our society and how we view people.… more I already explained to you on my thread how this works. If you seriously still refuse to believe it after all this I don't know what else I can tell you.
No, there isn't. However, a lot of the time Tumblr doesn't do that. They manufacture bullshit out of thin air, which is why I made the comparison regarding what is happening in this thread with the whole "bitch slap is misogynistic" thing. Yes, "bitch-slap" used to describe pimps keeping their women in line, however it does not have that meaning anymore. The thing with language is that it's constantly evolving and changing definition. The actual definition of a bitch-slap is "deliver a stinging blow to (someone), typically in order to humiliate them."
Nothing derogatory to women there.
The point is that a great number of the SJWs on Tumblr (there are some legitimate social activists there, don't get me wrong) try to find reasons to complain about the tiniest things, an example of this being the recent uproar when JonTron used the word "retarded" to describe a feature of the PS4. In true Tumblr fashion, they immediately associated it with the mentally disabled and flipped their shit without looking into the actual definition of retarded, which has nothing to do with mentally disabled people. The SJWs, instead of raising awareness to legitimate injustices, create new, false injustices to complain about. They're simply jumping on a bandwagon so they have something to be self-righteous about. A lot of them don't care about equality, they just want a reason to feel good about themselves.
It may very well be true that Telltale did not intentionally mean to offend disabled people. But they did. Clearly they did. I've discussed how they did over and over. Their attitude in their latest interviews only confirms that at best they are blissfully unaware of how offensive their treatment of Sarah was. Which is yet another example of how the media and society in general is either unaware or uncaring of how the disabled are represented.
I understand that you are offended by the way Sarah died and how Greg Miller reacted to it, and that the Telltale employees did not defend S… morearah or attack him because of his words.
I'm not okay with you representing it as a fact that Greg Miller and those Telltale people were offending disabled people and how the name of the soundfile is evidence what assholes the Telltale Staff is obviously supposed to be.
It may very well be true that Telltale did not intentionally mean to offend disabled people. But they did. Clearly they did. I've discussed … morehow they did over and over. Their attitude in their latest interviews only confirms that at best they are blissfully unaware of how offensive their treatment of Sarah was. Which is yet another example of how the media and society in general is either unaware or uncaring of how the disabled are represented.
Sorry but you're proving me right. I'm saying that the issue is still just as important, and that Greg's views and his words were just as hurtful and offensive. Just because Jonah Hill would be called out on the street and Greg Miller wouldn't doesn't mean that one should get away with a half-assed apology that shows no signs of amending their views and the other wouldn't be able to.
I'm not saying that at all. But the more who know, the more who care right? Jonah would be called out in the middle of the street and it wou… moreld be on the front of magazines, because we know how the media love a good scandal, whilst Greg would have shit talked about him on a forum... sound familiar?
There is a difference between the real world and fiction. But the media plays a hugely important role in our society and how we view people.… more I already explained to you on my thread how this works. If you seriously still refuse to believe it after all this I don't know what else I can tell you.
"Proving right?"
Why is every discussion with you about how your opinion is the right one and your thoughts are facts based on legitimate evidence? Isn't it possible anymore to simply discuss different views? Jeez.
Sorry but you're proving me right. I'm saying that the issue is still just as important, and that Greg's views and his words were just as hu… morertful and offensive. Just because Jonah Hill would be called out on the street and Greg Miller wouldn't doesn't mean that one should get away with a half-assed apology that shows no signs of amending their views and the other wouldn't be able to.
Sorry, but you're so bossy that discussing with you isn't fun anymore.
You neither have facts nor evidence to back up your interpretation. Neither do I. That's why it's called an opinion. It's a fact that Mass Effect was released 2012.
It's not a fact that Telltale offended disabled people.
I'm just gonna stop arguing with you at this point, because clearly you cannot accept the fact that what you say is not a fact, but just an opinion. A legitimate opinion, I admit it, but I hate the fact how you act like you know everything about Telltale. I'm not defending telltale, I just hate your attitude.
"Proving right?"
Why is every discussion with you about how your opinion is the right one and your thoughts are facts based on legitimate evidence? Isn't it possible anymore to simply discuss different views? Jeez.
Guys, stop freaking out. It's the same audio file used when she slapped Walter. They didn't specifically call it a bitch slap because "lulz fuck u Sarah."
This discussion isn't about who's right and who isn't. You need to be knowledgeable of what's offensive to be offended by it. Compared to people who know, respect and idolise Jonah Hill, few people know what Greg Miller has done to upset people. Does this mean he should get away with being a dick? No. It does mean Jonah has a lot more people to offend, and these people won't just chat shit on forums. He has PR guys telling him "Jonah you shouldn't say that, Jonah say this." because he's a celebrity. There's a difference between being an internet celebrity and a real life celebrity.
Sorry but you're proving me right. I'm saying that the issue is still just as important, and that Greg's views and his words were just as hu… morertful and offensive. Just because Jonah Hill would be called out on the street and Greg Miller wouldn't doesn't mean that one should get away with a half-assed apology that shows no signs of amending their views and the other wouldn't be able to.
I'm not exactly here having fun either. Whenever I make a legitimate point with evidence to back me up, people agree. Then the minute they decide it's too much or they don't like what I have to say, suddenly it's "just an opinion" and I need to shut up.
Sorry, but you're so bossy that discussing with you isn't fun anymore.
You neither have facts nor evidence to back up your interpretation.… more Neither do I. That's why it's called an opinion. It's a fact that Mass Effect was released 2012.
It's not a fact that Telltale offended disabled people.
I'm just gonna stop arguing with you at this point, because clearly you cannot accept the fact that what you say is not a fact, but just an opinion. A legitimate opinion, I admit it, but I hate the fact how you act like you know everything about Telltale. I'm not defending telltale, I just hate your attitude.
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Whilst I agree with you on the greg thing, being offended at the term "bitchslap" being used in an audio file is taking it too far. Simple words should never be offensive in and of themselves. No-one should get butthurt over a mere arrangement of syllables, what matters is the meaning behind them. In this case it wasn't specific to sarah it seems and it was probably just an employee who used a popular phrase that is, nowadays, most often used in jest and parody for the name of an audio file. I don't think it's a big deal, I think the normative (I don't like the term ableist) theme of season 2 is a far and away bigger problem.
How is what I've been saying suddenly invalid the minute I start talking about it like anything other than an unemotional logic-driven robot?? I haven't changed my mind from anything. this is just another example contributing to beliefs that I already talked about weeks before the Playing Dead episode came out!
I don't get what you're saying. You think Jonah didn't actually mean it orr??
*Lilly voice * Ha.
I think he did regret saying it, but he wasn't actually sorry for saying it. The paparazzi guy was being a dick. But alas, Jonah is a famous actor and that would be a huge dent in his reputation and career if he tried justifying it. Whilst Greg is an IGN host... enough said really there. Greg doesn't have people to write out a well worded apology to those he offended when he wasn't trying to... whilst there isn't really a way to sugarcoat calling someone a "faggot." I'd say Greg was more sorry for offending people than Jonah was, Greg could have simply dismissed it whilst Jonah NEEDED to address it, or it would be stuck with him for years.
You know, when you're sorry your opinion offends someone it doesn't mean you have to take it back.
Jonah recognized that the slur he used was homophobic and hurtful to gay people and his apology acknowledged that. He didn't take back his anger for the paparazzi, he recognized that what he said was offensive and apologized for those who were hurt by such slurs.
Greg on the other hand absolved himself from blame by saying that the people hurt by his words were misunderstanding him. He tried to justify it by continuing to say that he hated Sarah and that he thought she should have been left behind because she was "not normal". And that's why people were offended in the first place, he never actually recognized that he was being offensive. He just keeps digging the hole deeper.
Did... you just skip over half my post?
Besides, if you've read his apology, he does say they were misunderstanding him... because everyone's been calling him out for being "ableist" and "thinking the disabled should die." when that's clearly not the case. If you want him to apologise, people need to let him know the actual thing they want an apology for. "not normal" being, not normal to that environment, the world they live in, which he also states in his post.
I'm in two minds as to whether to forgive greg. On the one hand, he did apologise, on the other it seemed more like a "sorry that you got offended" nonpology. Either way I don't think it really matters to the real issue because greg isn't the one programming the game.
Exactly. Greg is another consumer like the rest of us, but he's with IGN, so that puts him closer to the producers as one of us. Now people will probably go "Well that gives him responsibility to represent us and he's doing it wrong!" No. Everyone's playthrough is different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The downside of Greg being in his position is that most of the Telltale forums don't like his choices and call him a horrible person for it.
People also say that the questions he asks are shitty, but I watched one of his livestreams and he answered a question asking if they were his questions and his reply was "No, the producers of the show just hand me a list of questions to fill in the gaps on the way."
I didn't bother replying to the part where you were like Greg didn't have to worry about how "well-worded" his apology was because he's not as famous as Jonah because frankly that doesn't make any sense.
It's still a video game, you know? Telltale did not call out someone as a faggot or degraded disabled persons. They just killed off a character. You can criticize the way, but arguing that it's offensive for disabled people is questionable IMO.
Meh. I still think he's a dick for saying what he did, but really there's no point vilifying him for it. Everyone I know has some shitty opinions most likely but that doesn't make them bad people. Attacking Greg fiercely doesn't really accomplish anything, you just make him kind of a martyr. He doesn't have any say in how the game itself plays out so fuck it. Since he did "apologize" I'm inclined to ignore him and go back to complaining about the shitty writing in the game.
It makes perfect sense. Greg doesn't have paparazzi coming after him looking for a story. Greg won't be asked years down the line "So why do you hate disabled people?" MILLIONS of people don't even know how Greg Miller is, whilst Jonah Hill is a household name. I used to like Mel Gibson for example, and then he was a racist bigot. That's been held against him for years which is more likely to happen to Jonah if he didn't apologise, than it is to Greg.
The media matters. Representation matters. You can easily wave off the portrayal of a fictional character in a video game when it's not important personally to you. But we've already talked about how Sarah's portrayal was playing right into the harmful and wrong views on the disabled of the media at large, and how that's a bad thing. I thought you were finally understanding me in this?
Just because not as many people are paying attention to it doesn't make it matter any less.
Take Jim Carrey and what he said about a kick-ass 2 film. Made it, got a lot of money and talked shit about it afterwards because of this massacre. Fact is, there is a difference between the real world and fiction. I think people like Jim Carrey deserve much more hate than a Greg Miller who just tries to make some jokes about a video game he likes.
That would be the most reasonable thing to do. You know, I wasn't even pissed in the first place. I understand and respect his opinion, and I see where he's coming from... it doesn't mean I agree with it. Be angry with Telltale for making a character like Sarah and 'treating her the way they did' rather than be angry at Greg, who a lot of people agree with and also ditched Sarah. This whole thing started on Tumblr... so of course it would get out of hand :P
But is she actually disabled?:
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/79155/sarah-s-disability-explained
Hilarious.
There is a difference between the real world and fiction. But the media plays a hugely important role in our society and how we view people. I already explained to you on my thread how this works. If you seriously still refuse to believe it after all this I don't know what else I can tell you.
Hey, I share the same opinions!
That thread is talking about how Sarah is in fact disabled. It's explaining the symptoms she displays in detail and explaining how that relates to an actual disability.
I understand that you are offended by the way Sarah died and how Greg Miller reacted to it, and that the Telltale employees did not defend Sarah or attack him because of his words.
I'm not okay with you representing it as a fact that Greg Miller and those Telltale people were offending disabled people and how the name of the soundfile is evidence what assholes the Telltale Staff is obviously supposed to be.
I'm not saying that at all. But the more who know, the more who care right? Jonah would be called out in the middle of the street and it would be on the front of magazines, because we know how the media love a good scandal, whilst Greg would have shit talked about him on a forum... sound familiar?
She is NOT in fact disabled. You and a few others have the impression. You should not represent it as a fact when - in fact - it isn't one.
"Believe it"? This is a discussion. We're both entitled to our opinions. It's not your holy mission to spread the word, is it?
No, there isn't. However, a lot of the time Tumblr doesn't do that. They manufacture bullshit out of thin air, which is why I made the comparison regarding what is happening in this thread with the whole "bitch slap is misogynistic" thing. Yes, "bitch-slap" used to describe pimps keeping their women in line, however it does not have that meaning anymore. The thing with language is that it's constantly evolving and changing definition. The actual definition of a bitch-slap is "deliver a stinging blow to (someone), typically in order to humiliate them."
Nothing derogatory to women there.
The point is that a great number of the SJWs on Tumblr (there are some legitimate social activists there, don't get me wrong) try to find reasons to complain about the tiniest things, an example of this being the recent uproar when JonTron used the word "retarded" to describe a feature of the PS4. In true Tumblr fashion, they immediately associated it with the mentally disabled and flipped their shit without looking into the actual definition of retarded, which has nothing to do with mentally disabled people. The SJWs, instead of raising awareness to legitimate injustices, create new, false injustices to complain about. They're simply jumping on a bandwagon so they have something to be self-righteous about. A lot of them don't care about equality, they just want a reason to feel good about themselves.
It may very well be true that Telltale did not intentionally mean to offend disabled people. But they did. Clearly they did. I've discussed how they did over and over. Their attitude in their latest interviews only confirms that at best they are blissfully unaware of how offensive their treatment of Sarah was. Which is yet another example of how the media and society in general is either unaware or uncaring of how the disabled are represented.
They clearly did NOT. You represent evidence and facts based on your interpretation.
Sorry but you're proving me right. I'm saying that the issue is still just as important, and that Greg's views and his words were just as hurtful and offensive. Just because Jonah Hill would be called out on the street and Greg Miller wouldn't doesn't mean that one should get away with a half-assed apology that shows no signs of amending their views and the other wouldn't be able to.
I could guarantee that the majority of Jonah Hill fans don't even know what an IGN is.
"Proving right?"
Why is every discussion with you about how your opinion is the right one and your thoughts are facts based on legitimate evidence? Isn't it possible anymore to simply discuss different views? Jeez.
My interpretation is just as valid as your interpretation. I have facts and evidence backing up my interpretation. You don't.
Sorry, but you're so bossy that discussing with you isn't fun anymore.
You neither have facts nor evidence to back up your interpretation. Neither do I. That's why it's called an opinion. It's a fact that Mass Effect was released 2012.
It's not a fact that Telltale offended disabled people.
I'm just gonna stop arguing with you at this point, because clearly you cannot accept the fact that what you say is not a fact, but just an opinion. A legitimate opinion, I admit it, but I hate the fact how you act like you know everything about Telltale. I'm not defending telltale, I just hate your attitude.
Last time I checked the point of an argument was for opposing sides to discuss their differing opinions in order to see who's proven right in the end.
No opinion is right or wrong. I'm actually feeling sorry for you that you don't understand that.
Wait... when did Clementine slap Walter?
This discussion isn't about who's right and who isn't. You need to be knowledgeable of what's offensive to be offended by it. Compared to people who know, respect and idolise Jonah Hill, few people know what Greg Miller has done to upset people. Does this mean he should get away with being a dick? No. It does mean Jonah has a lot more people to offend, and these people won't just chat shit on forums. He has PR guys telling him "Jonah you shouldn't say that, Jonah say this." because he's a celebrity. There's a difference between being an internet celebrity and a real life celebrity.
I'm not exactly here having fun either. Whenever I make a legitimate point with evidence to back me up, people agree. Then the minute they decide it's too much or they don't like what I have to say, suddenly it's "just an opinion" and I need to shut up.