What type of choices will the finale make us decide? ("Empathy, Humanity, Survival")
Based on what Job tweeted the other day about the finale and Clementine's "fate", what kind of choices do you think Clementine will be facing?
I think obviously we'll be choosing sides between Luke and Kenny, but Bonnie, Mike and the baby are people I'm considering to be likely of dying before the Season ends. But if Christa most likely returns then we would probably have a lot thrown at us before we know it.
Maybe each category (Empathy, Humanity, Survival) is a way of us choosing who to agree/disagree with. For example:
- Kenny & Christa = Survival
We all know that Christa has trust issues, from the moment we met her. She had doubts about the group in Season 1 when we were stuck by the bridge because of the tanker so she could side with Kenny all the way. So Clementine could be leading to more of a darker path.
- Luke (& Bonnie/Mike?) = Humanity
Since Luke will clearly be thinking of opposite ideas to Kenny, I think he'll be the "nicer" person in the finale. So if we side with Luke and possibly Mike/Bonnie then she'd be going more of a lighter path and caring about other people.
- Clementine = Empathy
I'm not entirely sure what empathy is, but I'd assume it would be more of a neutral state of mind. So obviously this would lead Clementine to more of a normal person who both does what has to be done to survive and cares about her group.
I'm not too sure what kind of choices Telltale could throw at us if these were to be true.
What do you all think?
EDIT: Empathy means "the ability to understand and share feelings of another" so the last one is wrong XD
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I agree mostly, but Humanity is more neutral than Empathy id assume that Humanity is actually the more neutral state of mind. Other than that i agree, i dont think Clementine will die in any of them, but i do think if she wants to be Empathetic she will have to give stuff away maybe her hat, jacket etc.
I think those choices could happen.Oh btw empathy means "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another."
How is Kenny bad?
Yeah I'd like to have more options like that, like maybe giving her jacket to wrap the baby in.
"Like your jacket ... it looks warm ... but a walker would bite right through that" - Jane
I do think he cares about the group, Just wants his way a bit too much. But Luke slept with Jane and had some part in some of the deaths in Ep4.
He just for me seems like he cares more about survival than actually caring about the group.
Obviously he cares for Clementine and the baby, but he doesn't consider the group sometimes when it comes to decisions.
"You don't even listen to anyone else. You just go on barking orders" - Luke
"You gotta lighten up okay? You're pushing them too hard" - Luke
"People are too damn sensitive sometimes" - Kenny
Oh right xD Thanks
Actually I think Luke and Kenny are mixed up in the post. In Episode 3, Luke suggested that they leave Kenny in order to escape, and he also spoke a bit about survival in episode 4. I think Kenny pre-episode 4 would have been the "Humanity" choice, but given his state of mind now I have no idea what he will be. He definitely has lost some since Episode 3. But, I do agree that he is going down a dark path and could take Clem with him.
I think Survival means to abandon everyone, Humanity has to do with being nice or evil to people, and Empathy has to do with helping others you care about.
"When I look at Kenny now, he seems broken ... and broken people get reckless" - Kenny
This could be hinting at Kenny becoming a darker person and yeah as you say he could try and Clementine down with him.
"I just wanna survive, and that means picking the right sides" - Luke
Luke does seem more interested in surviving but he cares about the group more than Kenny does by far.
They both have some aspect of doing whatever it takes to survive and caring about people, but I have no clue how this is all gonna be set out ..
Yeah but Luke has faults too.
I'd change it to
Or since Kenny is going kinda crazy it might be the other way around.
Gonna be interesting finale.
Oh god... I like Kenny, but I want to choose empathy or humanity.... Oh well.
Yeah, that's why Luke left his post guarding walkers to shag Jane......
Look, Luke is a nice guy, but to say he cares more about the group than Kenny is wrong, he will also directly state that he does not trust Mike, where Kenny is more suspicious out of concern.
They both care abiut the group, but Kenny cares more about the people he knows and those who needs his protection more, such as the baby and Luke seems to have a more genuine concern for everyone.
I think the most obvious ones is this (assuming they relate to characters):
Survival: Alone
Like Jane, remember what she said "you can make it on your own" Clementine will realise this and abandon those who still live if any do at all.
Humanity: Kenny
Humans have motives, Kenny has shown to care for people as long as he is not trapped. He does anything to secure the safety of himself and those he trusts and care about. He's suspicious because he is a realist and he knows people might have motives that will conflict with his own.
Empathy: Luke
The ability to understand people and their troubles. Luke has shown this before, for example he does not want to Kill Carver because he doesn't want to become a murderer, he still has a sense of what is right. He is also fast to trust Jane and Bonnie and he will behave differently towards Arvo if Clementine mentions he has a sick sister or not.
My Ep5 ending theory:
Luke, Clementine, and Kenny are the only survivors of the group left, Bonnie, Mike and the baby having been killed over the course of the episode.
The baby’s death causes Kenny to fly off the handle, losing all sense of empathy, the only objective in his mind to get to Welllington.
The trio continue making their way up to Wellington, their firearms out of ammo, but Luke eventually collapses in a playground due to sleep/energy deprival or injury.
Kenny tells Clementine to leave Luke, as he would slow down their journey to Wellington, while Luke begs Clementine to stay with him (Kindly Stop for Me achievement).
Clementine then has to make a choice between going with Kenny(Survivalism) or staying with Luke(Humanity), which will be the Pizza/Icecream choice.
If Clementine goes with Kenny, Luke slumps over (All the Dead Lie Down), fading into the winter storm as the duo travel on, leaving Luke to his fate.
If Clementine stays with Luke, he thanks her, not a single word or glance back at them from Kenny as he walks on. The two sit at the playground, until eventually Luke loses consciousness. (All the Dead Lie Down)
It is unclear if Luke has died in both scenarios.
One problem; the "Kindly stop for me" achievement is before they get to the playground (the icon is a sign pointing towards it)
I think it's linked directly to "we slowly drove"
Also, all achievements in season 2 so far have been completely linear, so I doubt any of them will be gotten from a single choice.
I don't see why Clementine can't have empathy for those around her, while making sure of her survival and still keeping her humanity.
Same here. Why not have all three?
It's not that difficult, Lee practically did all three.