I will say this: If I can save them both i will. I don't hate Luke...but if he crosses the line, he's done for. And i have to say...if Kenny becomes a genuine threat to Clem's life I'd have to do the same to him with heavy regret and sadness. I'd apply the same to any party member past or present, season 1 or season 2.
However it is my intent to try and save whoever i can...if the game allows. I really hope this 'Ending up alone' thing is a fate one can fight. But if I get a choice and only one can live...it's Kenny. The harder pick for me honestly would be Kenny vs Bonnie or Mike because I like them more, Bonnie's come around and is proving to be a very sweet and nice person and Mike...part of me thinks that if someone is going to die for sure it's him but...I'll fight that best I can.
So it goes like this:
Baby > Kenny > Bonnie > Mike > Luke
Of course...i know it won't be that cut and dry. This is a TWD finale.
Its possible that it glitched. Certainly not out of the question. I have never seen such a low amount of disagreeing with him cause him to not give you the bro speech at the end.
Are you really sure there isn't anything you are forgetting..? Did you make him shoot Duck? I'm assuming you helped him finish off Larry in the meat locker.. right?
Something happens which paints Kenny in quite a bad light and it's a glitch? Yeah okay.
I think him punching me instead of talking him down is probably supposed to turn him against me, as was refusing to carry out his wish for Ben to die.
Possible that it's a bug, certainly. Unlikely however, as I just rewound that playthrough to see if it happened again and it did.
I helped him in the locker and I shot duck for him, although I strongly believe that him shooting duck is better. But as I say, it was a kenny sycophant playthrough, so.
Its possible that it glitched. Certainly not out of the question. I have never seen such a low amount of disagreeing with him cause him to n… moreot give you the bro speech at the end.
Are you really sure there isn't anything you are forgetting..? Did you make him shoot Duck? I'm assuming you helped him finish off Larry in the meat locker.. right?
Possible that it's a bug, certainly. Unlikely however, as I just rewound that playthrough to see if it happened again and it did.
I helpe… mored him in the locker and I shot duck for him, although I strongly believe that him shooting duck is better. But as I say, it was a kenny sycophant playthrough, so.
A bit vindictive? After he just beat the shit out of Carver and a zombie that was dead. That's a good way to get yourself killed. Who knows, maybe he wants revenge on Clementine too if that's the case.
Eh, I would disagree. No one was forcing Clementine to watch.
Doesn't really matter though, as it doesn't show anything towards Kenny going crazy or not. He was just being a bit vindictive.
A bit vindictive? After he just beat the shit out of Carver and a zombie that was dead. That's a good way to get yourself killed. Who knows, maybe he wants revenge on Clementine too if that's the case.
Yes, he asks. But I still just don't feel anything towards him. I did it before, but now... Maybe it's because he doesn't have much spotlight in the latest episodes.
Your love for Kenny is based on his racism?
Seriously, Kenny has loads of AWESOME shit. I don't know why the fandom insists on making jokes out of something which is actually racist.
Because it's a dumb joke, and the internet loves dumb jokes and silly memes. That's why 90% of people here use 'urban' when they mean black.
On my end, my positive attitude towards Kenny is rooted in his behavior in the first two episodes. He becomes much more unlikable in the third episode even prior to losing his family, and from that point on he's a mixture of frustrating yet pitiful.
Your love for Kenny is based on his racism?
Seriously, Kenny has loads of AWESOME shit. I don't know why the fandom insists on making jokes out of something which is actually racist.
I'm saying how is Kenny "a bit vindictive" after he just smash Carver's face in and did the same thing again with a random zombie. Doing that can get yourself killed because you're messin around with a zombie that has been killed already and others can get the jump on you while you're doing that. Also, since we were talking about revenge, how do we know Kenny doesn't still have it out Clem?
Because it's a dumb joke, and the internet loves dumb jokes and silly memes. That's why 90% of people here use 'urban' when they mean black… more.
On my end, my positive attitude towards Kenny is rooted in his behavior in the first two episodes. He becomes much more unlikable in the third episode even prior to losing his family, and from that point on he's a mixture of frustrating yet pitiful.
I don't really know why people would argue against him having flaws. I suppose some people are simply too defensive. I mean.. basically every character in the game has some flaws/ has had them in the past. It doesn't necessarily have to be a damning thing, and I think some Kenny fans should realize that.
That being said, I do feel like there are other Kenny supporters around here who are reasonably objective. Rock, Tinni, and Saltlick to name a few.
Nor am I arguing that he is a bad person.
But people kind of are arguing he has no flaws: if you haven't noticed, on this forum if you me… morention one negative thing Kenny has done, people try to justify it.
I believe he is flawed. It's whether his fans really do that I doubt, because they defend him at every possible opportunity.
You are the only Kenny fan I have seen admitting he has flaws, and actually NAMING those flaws instead of just pretending you think it. For that, I have a great deal of respect for you.
Also, since we were talking about revenge, how do we know Kenny doesn't still have it out Clem?
We don't know that Kenny ever had it out for Clementine. He never tried to act out any revenge or anything. Based on the fact that he has the ability to the apologize for this actions given certain dialogue choices, he does understand what he said to Clem was wrong. She isn't in any danger of him turning on her.
Doing that can get yourself killed because you're messin around with a zombie that has been killed already and others can get the jump on you while you're doing that.
There weren't any other walkers around him though, and they were only coming from one direction. As for how he handled Carver, I don't see how that put him in any direct danger at all.
I'm saying how is Kenny "a bit vindictive" after he just smash Carver's face in and did the same thing again with a random zombie. Doing tha… moret can get yourself killed because you're messin around with a zombie that has been killed already and others can get the jump on you while you're doing that. Also, since we were talking about revenge, how do we know Kenny doesn't still have it out Clem?
I mean in general though, not when the walkers were attacking them that one time. And the thing with Kenny having it out for Clem was just thought. Not that I truly believed it or anything, but it's still possible
Also, since we were talking about revenge, how do we know Kenny doesn't still have it out Clem?
We don't know that Kenny ever had it… more out for Clementine. He never tried to act out any revenge or anything. Based on the fact that he has the ability to the apologize for this actions given certain dialogue choices, he does understand what he said to Clem was wrong. She isn't in any danger of him turning on her.
Doing that can get yourself killed because you're messin around with a zombie that has been killed already and others can get the jump on you while you're doing that.
There weren't any other walkers around him though, and they were only coming from one direction. As for how he handled Carver, I don't see how that put him in any direct danger at all.
Possible that it's a bug, certainly. Unlikely however, as I just rewound that playthrough to see if it happened again and it did.
I helpe… mored him in the locker and I shot duck for him, although I strongly believe that him shooting duck is better. But as I say, it was a kenny sycophant playthrough, so.
Well, it's debatable. If it wasn't for Clem just happening to find that boat conveniently, it would have failed before it started. I always say it was her boat, not Kenny's lol
Agreed sooo much. I don't get why there has to be hate for any character unless they are clearly an antagonist, but even then they can still be a cool character (like Carver). I like all the characters that are still alive in the group.
Just because the scene is meant as a joke does not mean there can't be conclusions drawn from a joke.
If someone I knew made an assumption that my friend could pick locks because she's black, I would certainly consider them at least slightly racist. Wouldn't you? Isn't assuming things because of someone's race a definition of racism?
Jokes can be inappropriate, and can be sexist and homophobic and all that other good stuff. Just because a scene in say, a play has someone making a racially charged joke, that doesn't stop them being slightly racist.
The humour in that scene works because we're laughing at how awkward it is that Kenny assumes that. But Kenny did STILL assume that.
This was AFTER my main playthrough. In my main playthrough, I did indeed refuse to help Kenny in the meat locker.
I have said twice in this comment chain that this was a playthrough SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED as one where Lee always agrees with Kenny. So yeah, please read what I say instead of jumping to conclusions.
Well seeing as Kenny is not racist at all in the other 99.9% of the game...
I'm not going to hold it against the guy at all considering he appears to be the opposite of racist if anything. He even admitted that what he said stupid.
Just because the scene is meant as a joke does not mean there can't be conclusions drawn from a joke.
If someone I knew made an assumptio… moren that my friend could pick locks because she's black, I would certainly consider them at least slightly racist. Wouldn't you? Isn't assuming things because of someone's race a definition of racism?
Jokes can be inappropriate, and can be sexist and homophobic and all that other good stuff. Just because a scene in say, a play has someone making a racially charged joke, that doesn't stop them being slightly racist.
The humour in that scene works because we're laughing at how awkward it is that Kenny assumes that. But Kenny did STILL assume that.
Sitting on a forum whining about racism. Hell you could be a mainstream feminist.
Real racism is still a thing sure. But not in your suburbs. Same with misogyny being a thing in the middle east. Still people wanna cry about it in the first world...
Let people make their jokes, we aren't here to kill blacks or wipe out jews. Trust me.
Just because the scene is meant as a joke does not mean there can't be conclusions drawn from a joke.
If someone I knew made an assumptio… moren that my friend could pick locks because she's black, I would certainly consider them at least slightly racist. Wouldn't you? Isn't assuming things because of someone's race a definition of racism?
Jokes can be inappropriate, and can be sexist and homophobic and all that other good stuff. Just because a scene in say, a play has someone making a racially charged joke, that doesn't stop them being slightly racist.
The humour in that scene works because we're laughing at how awkward it is that Kenny assumes that. But Kenny did STILL assume that.
Because some people have latched onto him , that's why. They assume everything he does is right, and so in their playthroughs automatically side with him without thinking why.
I strongly believe that anyone who actually THINKS while playing will see that Kenny has at least one or two flaws.
But mentioning them on this forum, particularly when downvotes were around, was to commit social suicide.
Rock is awesome. I don't know Tinni. And it depends which 'Saltlick' forumite you mean, as there are several, but I can't remember having a balanced discussion with any of the saltlick parade.
Thanks.
I don't really know why people would argue against him having flaws. I suppose some people are simply too defensive. I mean.. bas… moreically every character in the game has some flaws/ has had them in the past. It doesn't necessarily have to be a damning thing, and I think some Kenny fans should realize that.
That being said, I do feel like there are other Kenny supporters around here who are reasonably objective. Rock, Tinni, and Saltlick to name a few.
Just because the problems exist in worse renditions in third world countries doesn't make it fine when they appear here.
Realistically, I can't do much to make women more accepted in the middle east. I go on parades and marches for it, but that's as much as I can do.
However, I'm on these forums now, and it takes less than a minute to post a reply. If I see someone taking racism lightly, there's no reason why I should just say 'eh, there are worse people in the world' because right now in that minute I simply cannot be changing the opinions of worse people.
Every change, no matter how minute, is still a step in the right direction.
I'm no politician. I'm not UN member who can stand up and demand better rights for women or gay people in the middle east outside of campaigns.
But if there is someone expressing minor views, or tolerating racism/sexism/homophobia/other nice things, why not try to change it?
What do I lose by doing it?
Even if I only manage to accomplish a teeny tiny speck of good in the world, at least it's still something good.
As a society, we always strive towards self improvement in so many areas. So if one, insignificant person's opinion could theoretically can be changed, then I'm sure as hell going to try to change it for the better. And that will never change.
First World Problems...
Sitting on a forum whining about racism. Hell you could be a mainstream feminist.
Real racism is still a thing… more sure. But not in your suburbs. Same with misogyny being a thing in the middle east. Still people wanna cry about it in the first world...
Let people make their jokes, we aren't here to kill blacks or wipe out jews. Trust me.
Well seeing as Kenny is not racist at all in the other 99.9% of the game...
I'm not going to hold it against the guy at all considering he appears to be the opposite of racist if anything. He even admitted that what he said stupid.
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My love for Kenny
I will say this: If I can save them both i will. I don't hate Luke...but if he crosses the line, he's done for. And i have to say...if Kenny becomes a genuine threat to Clem's life I'd have to do the same to him with heavy regret and sadness. I'd apply the same to any party member past or present, season 1 or season 2.
However it is my intent to try and save whoever i can...if the game allows. I really hope this 'Ending up alone' thing is a fate one can fight. But if I get a choice and only one can live...it's Kenny. The harder pick for me honestly would be Kenny vs Bonnie or Mike because I like them more, Bonnie's come around and is proving to be a very sweet and nice person and Mike...part of me thinks that if someone is going to die for sure it's him but...I'll fight that best I can.
So it goes like this:
Baby > Kenny > Bonnie > Mike > Luke
Of course...i know it won't be that cut and dry. This is a TWD finale.
But I will try gosh darn it.
Exactly. It's kind of a big generalization.
My brother didn't calm him down on the train either. He let Kenny beat him up though, for what that is worth.
Its possible that it glitched. Certainly not out of the question. I have never seen such a low amount of disagreeing with him cause him to not give you the bro speech at the end.
Are you really sure there isn't anything you are forgetting..? Did you make him shoot Duck? I'm assuming you helped him finish off Larry in the meat locker.. right?
Possible that it's a bug, certainly. Unlikely however, as I just rewound that playthrough to see if it happened again and it did.
I helped him in the locker and I shot duck for him, although I strongly believe that him shooting duck is better. But as I say, it was a kenny sycophant playthrough, so.
What save slot were you using for this play through? Just curious.
A bit vindictive? After he just beat the shit out of Carver and a zombie that was dead. That's a good way to get yourself killed. Who knows, maybe he wants revenge on Clementine too if that's the case.
Not following your logic at all.
That's due to bad writing, not a character fault that justifies choosing someone else over him by itself.
You just used the word "vindictive." Do you not know what that means?
Your love for Kenny is based on his racism?
Seriously, Kenny has loads of AWESOME shit. I don't know why the fandom insists on making jokes out of something which is actually racist.
Yes, but you didn't really explain anything you said.
Flog hold up he's just joking man.
Because it's a dumb joke, and the internet loves dumb jokes and silly memes. That's why 90% of people here use 'urban' when they mean black.
On my end, my positive attitude towards Kenny is rooted in his behavior in the first two episodes. He becomes much more unlikable in the third episode even prior to losing his family, and from that point on he's a mixture of frustrating yet pitiful.
I'm saying how is Kenny "a bit vindictive" after he just smash Carver's face in and did the same thing again with a random zombie. Doing that can get yourself killed because you're messin around with a zombie that has been killed already and others can get the jump on you while you're doing that. Also, since we were talking about revenge, how do we know Kenny doesn't still have it out Clem?
Exactly, the whole scene was meant as nothing more than a joke. Kenny isn't a racist at all.
Thanks.
I don't really know why people would argue against him having flaws. I suppose some people are simply too defensive. I mean.. basically every character in the game has some flaws/ has had them in the past. It doesn't necessarily have to be a damning thing, and I think some Kenny fans should realize that.
That being said, I do feel like there are other Kenny supporters around here who are reasonably objective. Rock, Tinni, and Saltlick to name a few.
We don't know that Kenny ever had it out for Clementine. He never tried to act out any revenge or anything. Based on the fact that he has the ability to the apologize for this actions given certain dialogue choices, he does understand what he said to Clem was wrong. She isn't in any danger of him turning on her.
There weren't any other walkers around him though, and they were only coming from one direction. As for how he handled Carver, I don't see how that put him in any direct danger at all.
Kenny is like Marmite... You either hate him or love him...... I hat... love him.
I mean in general though, not when the walkers were attacking them that one time. And the thing with Kenny having it out for Clem was just thought. Not that I truly believed it or anything, but it's still possible
You've said on multiple occasions that you didn't help Kenny in the meat locker..... so no, you did more than just saving Ben. Just sayin'.
.....like who? You may not have noticed but there's not exactly a lot of options.
Well, it's debatable. If it wasn't for Clem just happening to find that boat conveniently, it would have failed before it started. I always say it was her boat, not Kenny's lol
Wow, that's a pretty sad reason to want to see someone die...
Agreed sooo much. I don't get why there has to be hate for any character unless they are clearly an antagonist, but even then they can still be a cool character (like Carver). I like all the characters that are still alive in the group.
You really gotta' lighten up.
Well, I'm NOT looking forward to seeing him dying for a bunch of other reasons.
And simultaneously, that's not the only reason that part of me does want to die: it was hyperbole.
Nah, being sarky is more fun.
Kenny wasn't joking..?
Just because the scene is meant as a joke does not mean there can't be conclusions drawn from a joke.
If someone I knew made an assumption that my friend could pick locks because she's black, I would certainly consider them at least slightly racist. Wouldn't you? Isn't assuming things because of someone's race a definition of racism?
Jokes can be inappropriate, and can be sexist and homophobic and all that other good stuff. Just because a scene in say, a play has someone making a racially charged joke, that doesn't stop them being slightly racist.
The humour in that scene works because we're laughing at how awkward it is that Kenny assumes that. But Kenny did STILL assume that.
i would choose kenny 100%,i have nothing against luke but it freaking kenny
No Churned was joking, and I'm positive Kenny didn't mean what he said
Did you read my posts?
This was AFTER my main playthrough. In my main playthrough, I did indeed refuse to help Kenny in the meat locker.
I have said twice in this comment chain that this was a playthrough SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED as one where Lee always agrees with Kenny. So yeah, please read what I say instead of jumping to conclusions.
Save slot 2.
Well seeing as Kenny is not racist at all in the other 99.9% of the game...
I'm not going to hold it against the guy at all considering he appears to be the opposite of racist if anything. He even admitted that what he said stupid.
First World Problems...
Sitting on a forum whining about racism. Hell you could be a mainstream feminist.
Real racism is still a thing sure. But not in your suburbs. Same with misogyny being a thing in the middle east. Still people wanna cry about it in the first world...
Let people make their jokes, we aren't here to kill blacks or wipe out jews. Trust me.
Because some people have latched onto him , that's why. They assume everything he does is right, and so in their playthroughs automatically side with him without thinking why.
I strongly believe that anyone who actually THINKS while playing will see that Kenny has at least one or two flaws.
But mentioning them on this forum, particularly when downvotes were around, was to commit social suicide.
Rock is awesome. I don't know Tinni. And it depends which 'Saltlick' forumite you mean, as there are several, but I can't remember having a balanced discussion with any of the saltlick parade.
Just because the problems exist in worse renditions in third world countries doesn't make it fine when they appear here.
Realistically, I can't do much to make women more accepted in the middle east. I go on parades and marches for it, but that's as much as I can do.
However, I'm on these forums now, and it takes less than a minute to post a reply. If I see someone taking racism lightly, there's no reason why I should just say 'eh, there are worse people in the world' because right now in that minute I simply cannot be changing the opinions of worse people.
Every change, no matter how minute, is still a step in the right direction.
I'm no politician. I'm not UN member who can stand up and demand better rights for women or gay people in the middle east outside of campaigns.
But if there is someone expressing minor views, or tolerating racism/sexism/homophobia/other nice things, why not try to change it?
What do I lose by doing it?
Even if I only manage to accomplish a teeny tiny speck of good in the world, at least it's still something good.
As a society, we always strive towards self improvement in so many areas. So if one, insignificant person's opinion could theoretically can be changed, then I'm sure as hell going to try to change it for the better. And that will never change.
/endrant
If someone makes one racist comment and then doesn't most of the time, they are just slightly racist. Which is what I've already described it as.
As slightly sweet is still sweet, slightly racist is sure enough still racist.