I think you kind of missed the point of what Flog was saying. His point was while Telltale used the dialogue exchange as a joke, Kenny the character was not actually joking himself.
He also seems to be saying that a joke can still be considered racist if it ends up offending particular minorities (or anyone really), even if the person delivering the joke is not being serious. Joking around with racism doesn't necessarily make it okay, as some people still find it offensive,
First World Problems...
Sitting on a forum whining about racism. Hell you could be a mainstream feminist.
Real racism is still a thing… more sure. But not in your suburbs. Same with misogyny being a thing in the middle east. Still people wanna cry about it in the first world...
Let people make their jokes, we aren't here to kill blacks or wipe out jews. Trust me.
I think you kind of missed the point of what Flog was saying. His point was while Telltale used the dialogue exchange as a joke, Kenny the c… moreharacter was not actually joking himself.
He also seems to be saying that a joke can still be considered racist if it ends up offending particular minorities (or anyone really), even if the person delivering the joke is not being serious. Joking around with racism doesn't necessarily make it okay, as some people still find it offensive,
Its an honorable trait, but i fail to see how useful it is. Most people on these forums aren't racists or fascists, and most racists and fascists need more then a decent argument, they need professional help
But i understand it makes us feel better trying to do the right thing, i usually do the same. Sometimes i just get sick about how some people talk a good talk and then get scared if a group of black people walk by, or clutch their purse when they step in an elevator with a black man.. Not saying thats you or anything. But those people surely exist
Either way, i didn't mean to come across as harsh as i did.
Edit: i replied before you edited your post in case there is confusion.
Just because the problems exist in worse renditions in third world countries doesn't make it fine when they appear here.
Realistically, I… more can't do much to make women more accepted in the middle east. I go on parades and marches for it, but that's as much as I can do.
However, I'm on these forums now, and it takes less than a minute to post a reply. If I see someone taking racism lightly, there's no reason why I should just say 'eh, there are worse people in the world' because right now in that minute I simply cannot be changing the opinions of worse people.
Every change, no matter how minute, is still a step in the right direction.
I'm no politician. I'm not UN member who can stand up and demand better rights for women or gay people in the middle east outside of campaigns.
But if there is someone expressing minor views, or tolerating racism/sexism/homophobia/other nice things, why not try to change it?
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I think you kind of missed the point of what Flog was saying. His point was while Telltale used the dialogue exchange as a joke, Kenny the c… moreharacter was not actually joking himself.
He also seems to be saying that a joke can still be considered racist if it ends up offending particular minorities (or anyone really), even if the person delivering the joke is not being serious. Joking around with racism doesn't necessarily make it okay, as some people still find it offensive,
Is it useful in the long run of things in a world with 7 billion people? Probably not.
But things do scale. If I change one man's opinion, perhaps if his child makes a slightly dodgy remark about another race, he will admonish them more strongly. In turn, that child would be less likely to turn a blind eye to such matters, and ripples, insignificant as they are, are spread out.
If I can make one ounce of positive change for society, I view it as my responsibility as a egalitarian to ensure I do make that change.
I know no-one on the forum is actually racist, fascist or even sexist. There are definitely homophobes, but they tend to hide
To clarify, I'm not calling anyone racist for saying 'lol he's urban' as a joke. But I do feel that it's inconsiderate, and that something like casual racism shouldn't be trivialised.
Exactly, those examples are brilliant. If my arguing can make one person not look judgingly at a black person in the elevator, then I think I'd have succeeded.
And that's fine, trust me, I come across as unintentionally aggresive all the damn time on this forum.
I guess thats fair
Its an honorable trait, but i fail to see how useful it is. Most people on these forums aren't racists or fascists, a… morend most racists and fascists need more then a decent argument, they need professional help
But i understand it makes us feel better trying to do the right thing, i usually do the same. Sometimes i just get sick about how some people talk a good talk and then get scared if a group of black people walk by, or clutch their purse when they step in an elevator with a black man.. Not saying thats you or anything. But those people surely exist
Either way, i didn't mean to come across as harsh as i did.
Edit: i replied before you edited your post in case there is confusion.
We're all guilty of falling victim to stereotypes. I don't think one silly slip up is* worth condemning the guy for. Again, Kenny immediately admitted what he had said was stupid.
If someone makes one racist comment and then doesn't most of the time, they are just slightly racist. Which is what I've already described it as.
As slightly sweet is still sweet, slightly racist is sure enough still racist.
We sure are, but I for one never fall victim to stereotypes which hurt other people, only stereotypes that hurt myself, which is preferable.
I'm not really 'condemning' him. I don't think he is a 'racist', but I think his statement was 'racist', and if one is capable of making a racist statement then they a blind eye should not be turned.
And jokes should CERTAINLY not be made out of it.
It should either be questioned, or ignored. Not obsessed about by his fanbase like it was some incredibly witty comment and not one which is actually slightly dodgy socially.
We're all guilty of falling victim to stereotypes. I don't think one silly slip up is* worth condemning the guy for. Again, Kenny immediately admitted what he had said was stupid.
We sure are, but I for one never fall victim to stereotypes which hurt other people, only stereotypes that hurt myself, which is preferable.… more
I'm not really 'condemning' him. I don't think he is a 'racist', but I think his statement was 'racist', and if one is capable of making a racist statement then they a blind eye should not be turned.
And jokes should CERTAINLY not be made out of it.
It should either be questioned, or ignored. Not obsessed about by his fanbase like it was some incredibly witty comment and not one which is actually slightly dodgy socially.
I'm not really 'condemning' him. I don't think he is a 'racist', but I think his statement was 'racist'
We are in agreement then.
… more Not obsessed about by his fanbase like it was some incredibly witty comment and not one which is actually slightly dodgy socially.
I don't think they think it was witty or anything. Most people are making fun of him when they say it... though they mean it in a good way.
Yes Kenny is the best i will explain you why: With murdering Larry, i would totally do the same to save my family out there fuck the rest.. then in ep 3 leaving lee? Murder is a hard thing to do, Lee knew it needed to be done but still sided with lilly so kenny felt alone, and murder isnt nothing. He fixs the RV and if he didnt? How would they escape the motel? then he drives the train because he KNOWS to and that means he is not dumb what a lot of people say, insisting on dropping Ben can i understand but was a bad thing, i agree. Then later he shot carver to protect the group, and if youre eye get beaten out of course you want revenge. And he helped the whole group with the baby so kenny is the best
Arguing about race or sex on a forum may seem like a lost cause - it's certainly something I have little patience for - but just remember that those problems arise at home, not just in countries that are oceans away. As I type this a woman's being blamed for her horrific mutilation at the hands of her boyfriend, and the black community in an American town is infuriated by the summary execution of one of their own.
This stuff might make video-games seem petty, but this is precisely my point - fiction should have less of the ignorance that real life has. This was why I was sourly disappointed by Telltale's explanation for why they killed off Sarah; it came across as them being bigoted and having no sympathy for a disabled character they had created, which cast a darker shadow over everything else those writers had made.
It's not "realistic" or "edgy" to unironically have a game where it's cool to be a racist, or where the idea of being a heartless person is presented as ideal. It's lazy and unnecessarily mean-spirited, and I already see too much of that nonsense in the mentalities of real people.
In my opinion, he didn't even murder Larry - he stopped a zombie from reanimating and killing his own daughter. Regardless, the way he handled his justification for destroying Larry in such a graphic manner in front of Lilly certainly didn't help her mental state. When I played, I sided with him but stressed out how reluctant I was and tried my best to console Lilly, something which Kenny didn't even try to do.
But the way he killed Carver was unnecessarily dramatic and slow. He had a gun and could have used that to blow his brains out rather than just incapacitate him. As a result, Carver was able to goad him into killing him in a relatively painless way (Carver was unconscious by the second hit), making Kenny's revenge rather sour.
Yes Kenny is the best i will explain you why: With murdering Larry, i would totally do the same to save my family out there fuck the rest.. … morethen in ep 3 leaving lee? Murder is a hard thing to do, Lee knew it needed to be done but still sided with lilly so kenny felt alone, and murder isnt nothing. He fixs the RV and if he didnt? How would they escape the motel? then he drives the train because he KNOWS to and that means he is not dumb what a lot of people say, insisting on dropping Ben can i understand but was a bad thing, i agree. Then later he shot carver to protect the group, and if youre eye get beaten out of course you want revenge. And he helped the whole group with the baby so kenny is the best
I couldn't believe that someone -- be it Lee or F--ING ANYONE-- didn't say, "ummmmm, don't you think that a boat is the first thing that everyone thought of when this sh-- went down? What are the actual odds that we will find one?"
I always viewed that as a more pragmatic "We're not waiting around in the middle of this warzone just so she can get in" kind of thing. It's certainly not one of his finer moments (And I actually said "Screw you" out loud when he said it. That was the point in the game where I had been having enough of Kenny) but looking back I can't say I hate him for it. There were good reasons for leaving her behind if she wasn't going to come down to the RV herself. Remember that even Lee was prepared to leave her behind, as he said "Lilly, last chance, get down here," just before the group left.
Because some people have latched onto him , that's why. They assume everything he does is right, and so in their playthroughs automatically … moreside with him without thinking why.
I strongly believe that anyone who actually THINKS while playing will see that Kenny has at least one or two flaws.
But mentioning them on this forum, particularly when downvotes were around, was to commit social suicide.
Rock is awesome. I don't know Tinni. And it depends which 'Saltlick' forumite you mean, as there are several, but I can't remember having a balanced discussion with any of the saltlick parade.
But when 'she can get it' is actually a choice between abandoning a woman who just tried to save all of you and waiting out of respect, it's still all a bit dodgy.
I was annoyed when Lee said that, but it represents the gradual forcing of alignment of Lee towards Kenny and away from Lilly after we'd been allowed to like either in episodes 1 and 2.
I still view it as more of a warning to speed her up rather than something Lee actually wanted to do. Unlike Kenny who literally drives away.
I always viewed that as a more pragmatic "We're not waiting around in the middle of this warzone just so she can get in" kind of thing. It's… more certainly not one of his finer moments (And I actually said "Screw you" out loud when he said it. That was the point in the game where I had been having enough of Kenny) but looking back I can't say I hate him for it. There were good reasons for leaving her behind if she wasn't going to come down to the RV herself. Remember that even Lee was prepared to leave her behind, as he said "Lilly, last chance, get down here," just before the group left.
Holy Shit what a firestorm... #FirstUrbanProblems Seriously though it is just plain funny because the best thing humans can do is laugh at themselves. I love Kenny dude he is my Third favorite character in the series. 1.Wyatt 2.Eddie It's just his old self that I enjoy he's seems like a guy I'd share a beer with before the Apocalypse. While Stereotypes aren't okay if you're serious they are damn funny if everyone knows you aren't serious. I'm Italian American so Stereotypes effect me too but I don't dwell you know? Live,Laugh,Love and it seems like Kenny was quizzical because he grew up in the South/Florida just like me so I get why he'd think it. Racism is a serious problem but once we get over hatred we should still make fun of each other because honestly, it's refreshing.
Your love for Kenny is based on his racism?
Seriously, Kenny has loads of AWESOME shit. I don't know why the fandom insists on making jokes out of something which is actually racist.
Holy Shit what a firestorm... #FirstUrbanProblems Seriously though it is just plain funny because the best thing humans can do is laugh at … morethemselves. I love Kenny dude he is my Third favorite character in the series. 1.Wyatt 2.Eddie It's just his old self that I enjoy he's seems like a guy I'd share a beer with before the Apocalypse. While Stereotypes aren't okay if you're serious they are damn funny if everyone knows you aren't serious. I'm Italian American so Stereotypes effect me too but I don't dwell you know? Live,Laugh,Love and it seems like Kenny was quizzical because he grew up in the South/Florida just like me so I get why he'd think it. Racism is a serious problem but once we get over hatred we should still make fun of each other because honestly, it's refreshing.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but Kenny deserves more.
People say that Luke is more fit in situations during the apocalypse. Yes, pretty much preferred growing his dick 2 c-meters longer instead of "watching Clem's back" (said by some users). Kenny is more careful.
People are saying that Kenny spent most of his time hiding because "he lost a girl that he knew for a year". Seriously, if you're gonna skip the shit he has gone through, then you're in no position to speak. Luke didn't show enough sadness as much as Kenny when he knew Nick died, his "friend for twenty years".
If you ask me? That just shows that Kenny cares more about the others than Luke lol.
I very much doubt that Lee actually wanted to leave Lilly, but he recognized that if she didn't snap out of it then they would have to leave her. As I said, it's certainly not one of Kenny's finer moments but I feel that the situation they were in warranted that kind of action if Lilly had waited any longer, no matter Kenny's reasons for it. There were walkers and bandits everywhere so waiting out of respect could have gotten yet another person killed as Duck had been bitten before they were even ready to leave. And I don't think he actually outright wanted to leave her, but he just didn't care if she didn't make it into the RV in time. That in itself is not good and was yet another step in Kenny's descent into darkness in Season 1, but I don't think he was actually trying to cut her loose from the group.
And I'm not trying to blame Duck's bite on Lilly, the RV wasn't even ready to go by the time he got chomped so they couldn't have escaped anyway.
But when 'she can get it' is actually a choice between abandoning a woman who just tried to save all of you and waiting out of respect, it's… more still all a bit dodgy.
I was annoyed when Lee said that, but it represents the gradual forcing of alignment of Lee towards Kenny and away from Lilly after we'd been allowed to like either in episodes 1 and 2.
I still view it as more of a warning to speed her up rather than something Lee actually wanted to do. Unlike Kenny who literally drives away.
Well, all of their people apart from Lilly were in the truck when he tried to drive away. SO it can't really be that 'if we don't leave Lilly right now, Lilly might bet bit!' as it's kinda paradoxical.
I don't blame the bite on Lilly, that's basically impossible.
I don't think he was trying to cut her loose, but I think he was acting as if he didn't care whether she lived or died, which is arguably just as bad for a woman who was doing her best to keep them all alive.
I very much doubt that Lee actually wanted to leave Lilly, but he recognized that if she didn't snap out of it then they would have to leave… more her. As I said, it's certainly not one of Kenny's finer moments but I feel that the situation they were in warranted that kind of action if Lilly had waited any longer, no matter Kenny's reasons for it. There were walkers and bandits everywhere so waiting out of respect could have gotten yet another person killed as Duck had been bitten before they were even ready to leave. And I don't think he actually outright wanted to leave her, but he just didn't care if she didn't make it into the RV in time. That in itself is not good and was yet another step in Kenny's descent into darkness in Season 1, but I don't think he was actually trying to cut her loose from the group.
And I'm not trying to blame Duck's bite on Lilly, the RV wasn't even ready to go by the time he got chomped so they couldn't have escaped anyway.
It's not about Lilly getting bitten or not, it's about the rest of the group. Waiting for Lilly could have gotten someone else killed if she hadn't snapped out of it when she did. Again though, he probably wouldn't have batted an eye whether she'd made it to the RV or not and that's not a good thing.
This is exactly what I'm saying. Kenny just didn't care if she got in or not, and that's not cool. If the situation hadn't been as dire as it was then I'd probably look on this in a more negative light, but given everything that was going on (bandit raid, walkers) I can't really say that leaving Lilly would have been the wrong thing to do if she hadn't snapped out of her trance and run to the RV when she did.
Well, all of their people apart from Lilly were in the truck when he tried to drive away. SO it can't really be that 'if we don't leave Lill… morey right now, Lilly might bet bit!' as it's kinda paradoxical.
I don't blame the bite on Lilly, that's basically impossible.
I don't think he was trying to cut her loose, but I think he was acting as if he didn't care whether she lived or died, which is arguably just as bad for a woman who was doing her best to keep them all alive.
Hmm, well I'm not sure someone would have died due to them being all in the RV and the only real enemies being walkers as the bandits were either dead by then or more concerned with killing the walkers than the people. No no risk of bullets really. But I take your point.
And I agree with the rest. But he did start to drive away when she had already started running. He could have waited a bit while she was running instead of driving off.
It's not about Lilly getting bitten or not, it's about the rest of the group. Waiting for Lilly could have gotten someone else killed if she… more hadn't snapped out of it when she did. Again though, he probably wouldn't have batted an eye whether she'd made it to the RV or not and that's not a good thing.
This is exactly what I'm saying. Kenny just didn't care if she got in or not, and that's not cool. If the situation hadn't been as dire as it was then I'd probably look on this in a more negative light, but given everything that was going on (bandit raid, walkers) I can't really say that leaving Lilly would have been the wrong thing to do if she hadn't snapped out of her trance and run to the RV when she did.
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I think you kind of missed the point of what Flog was saying. His point was while Telltale used the dialogue exchange as a joke, Kenny the character was not actually joking himself.
He also seems to be saying that a joke can still be considered racist if it ends up offending particular minorities (or anyone really), even if the person delivering the joke is not being serious. Joking around with racism doesn't necessarily make it okay, as some people still find it offensive,
Thank you very much Belan, you have expressed my opinion twice as eloquently as I ever could.
I guess thats fair
Its an honorable trait, but i fail to see how useful it is. Most people on these forums aren't racists or fascists, and most racists and fascists need more then a decent argument, they need professional help
But i understand it makes us feel better trying to do the right thing, i usually do the same. Sometimes i just get sick about how some people talk a good talk and then get scared if a group of black people walk by, or clutch their purse when they step in an elevator with a black man.. Not saying thats you or anything. But those people surely exist
Either way, i didn't mean to come across as harsh as i did.
Edit: i replied before you edited your post in case there is confusion.
Thanks, i did miss that point, just got annoyed for the wrong reasons. Apologies.
Is it useful in the long run of things in a world with 7 billion people? Probably not.
But things do scale. If I change one man's opinion, perhaps if his child makes a slightly dodgy remark about another race, he will admonish them more strongly. In turn, that child would be less likely to turn a blind eye to such matters, and ripples, insignificant as they are, are spread out.
If I can make one ounce of positive change for society, I view it as my responsibility as a egalitarian to ensure I do make that change.
I know no-one on the forum is actually racist, fascist or even sexist. There are definitely homophobes, but they tend to hide
To clarify, I'm not calling anyone racist for saying 'lol he's urban' as a joke. But I do feel that it's inconsiderate, and that something like casual racism shouldn't be trivialised.
Exactly, those examples are brilliant. If my arguing can make one person not look judgingly at a black person in the elevator, then I think I'd have succeeded.
And that's fine, trust me, I come across as unintentionally aggresive all the damn time on this forum.
We're all guilty of falling victim to stereotypes. I don't think one silly slip up is* worth condemning the guy for. Again, Kenny immediately admitted what he had said was stupid.
We sure are, but I for one never fall victim to stereotypes which hurt other people, only stereotypes that hurt myself, which is preferable.
I'm not really 'condemning' him. I don't think he is a 'racist', but I think his statement was 'racist', and if one is capable of making a racist statement then they a blind eye should not be turned.
And jokes should CERTAINLY not be made out of it.
It should either be questioned, or ignored. Not obsessed about by his fanbase like it was some incredibly witty comment and not one which is actually slightly dodgy socially.
We are in agreement then.
I don't think they think it was witty or anything. Most people are making fun of him when they say it... though they mean it in a good way.
Oh, I certainly don't agree that they are making fun of him.
The type of people who we most often hear saying it on this forum are NOT the type to make fun of Kenny.
Regardless, the way they are using it doesn't imply that the joke is at Kenny's expense, and so it is just as harmful to anyone who can't read minds.
I....smashed Larry's head in. I have no regrets.
Yes Kenny is the best i will explain you why: With murdering Larry, i would totally do the same to save my family out there fuck the rest.. then in ep 3 leaving lee? Murder is a hard thing to do, Lee knew it needed to be done but still sided with lilly so kenny felt alone, and murder isnt nothing. He fixs the RV and if he didnt? How would they escape the motel? then he drives the train because he KNOWS to and that means he is not dumb what a lot of people say, insisting on dropping Ben can i understand but was a bad thing, i agree. Then later he shot carver to protect the group, and if youre eye get beaten out of course you want revenge. And he helped the whole group with the baby so kenny is the best
Arguing about race or sex on a forum may seem like a lost cause - it's certainly something I have little patience for - but just remember that those problems arise at home, not just in countries that are oceans away. As I type this a woman's being blamed for her horrific mutilation at the hands of her boyfriend, and the black community in an American town is infuriated by the summary execution of one of their own.
This stuff might make video-games seem petty, but this is precisely my point - fiction should have less of the ignorance that real life has. This was why I was sourly disappointed by Telltale's explanation for why they killed off Sarah; it came across as them being bigoted and having no sympathy for a disabled character they had created, which cast a darker shadow over everything else those writers had made.
It's not "realistic" or "edgy" to unironically have a game where it's cool to be a racist, or where the idea of being a heartless person is presented as ideal. It's lazy and unnecessarily mean-spirited, and I already see too much of that nonsense in the mentalities of real people.
Yeah and my cousin got the bro speech but yet he helped Larry. I killed Larry and I didn't get it
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I lied, this is all a dream
Chuckle Sorry, bad joke
I'd be like, "Shit, we better stop hogging this thread!"
Not yet there isnt. Also, there are other adults around besides Kenny. We dont know how many, if any of them, are going to die in the shootout.
You can pick locks right? I mean your... Urban?
In my opinion, he didn't even murder Larry - he stopped a zombie from reanimating and killing his own daughter. Regardless, the way he handled his justification for destroying Larry in such a graphic manner in front of Lilly certainly didn't help her mental state. When I played, I sided with him but stressed out how reluctant I was and tried my best to console Lilly, something which Kenny didn't even try to do.
But the way he killed Carver was unnecessarily dramatic and slow. He had a gun and could have used that to blow his brains out rather than just incapacitate him. As a result, Carver was able to goad him into killing him in a relatively painless way (Carver was unconscious by the second hit), making Kenny's revenge rather sour.
Truuue dat! Lol
I couldn't believe that someone -- be it Lee or F--ING ANYONE-- didn't say, "ummmmm, don't you think that a boat is the first thing that everyone thought of when this sh-- went down? What are the actual odds that we will find one?"
I always viewed that as a more pragmatic "We're not waiting around in the middle of this warzone just so she can get in" kind of thing. It's certainly not one of his finer moments (And I actually said "Screw you" out loud when he said it. That was the point in the game where I had been having enough of Kenny) but looking back I can't say I hate him for it. There were good reasons for leaving her behind if she wasn't going to come down to the RV herself. Remember that even Lee was prepared to leave her behind, as he said "Lilly, last chance, get down here," just before the group left.
My thoughts ^
Wait, I'm awesome? That's news to me.
In seriousness, thanks. You're awesome too, man.
But when 'she can get it' is actually a choice between abandoning a woman who just tried to save all of you and waiting out of respect, it's still all a bit dodgy.
I was annoyed when Lee said that, but it represents the gradual forcing of alignment of Lee towards Kenny and away from Lilly after we'd been allowed to like either in episodes 1 and 2.
I still view it as more of a warning to speed her up rather than something Lee actually wanted to do. Unlike Kenny who literally drives away.
He picked the lock to my heart.
Kenny @IMFROMFLORIDA · 6 Sep 2012
black dude and black kid showed up. not related. #whatarethechances
ROFL too bad this guy didnt continue xD It's like looking in Kenny's mind
Holy Shit what a firestorm... #FirstUrbanProblems Seriously though it is just plain funny because the best thing humans can do is laugh at themselves. I love Kenny dude he is my Third favorite character in the series. 1.Wyatt 2.Eddie It's just his old self that I enjoy he's seems like a guy I'd share a beer with before the Apocalypse. While Stereotypes aren't okay if you're serious they are damn funny if everyone knows you aren't serious. I'm Italian American so Stereotypes effect me too but I don't dwell you know? Live,Laugh,Love and it seems like Kenny was quizzical because he grew up in the South/Florida just like me so I get why he'd think it. Racism is a serious problem but once we get over hatred we should still make fun of each other because honestly, it's refreshing.
P.S. Listen to this Hype Kenny Music
http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=9S1wfOoApKk
Set the Start Time to 35 Seconds and Stop Time to 1:33 and sit back.
Kenny all the way.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but Kenny deserves more.
People say that Luke is more fit in situations during the apocalypse. Yes, pretty much preferred growing his dick 2 c-meters longer instead of "watching Clem's back" (said by some users). Kenny is more careful.
People are saying that Kenny spent most of his time hiding because "he lost a girl that he knew for a year". Seriously, if you're gonna skip the shit he has gone through, then you're in no position to speak. Luke didn't show enough sadness as much as Kenny when he knew Nick died, his "friend for twenty years".
If you ask me? That just shows that Kenny cares more about the others than Luke lol.
I very much doubt that Lee actually wanted to leave Lilly, but he recognized that if she didn't snap out of it then they would have to leave her. As I said, it's certainly not one of Kenny's finer moments but I feel that the situation they were in warranted that kind of action if Lilly had waited any longer, no matter Kenny's reasons for it. There were walkers and bandits everywhere so waiting out of respect could have gotten yet another person killed as Duck had been bitten before they were even ready to leave. And I don't think he actually outright wanted to leave her, but he just didn't care if she didn't make it into the RV in time. That in itself is not good and was yet another step in Kenny's descent into darkness in Season 1, but I don't think he was actually trying to cut her loose from the group.
And I'm not trying to blame Duck's bite on Lilly, the RV wasn't even ready to go by the time he got chomped so they couldn't have escaped anyway.
Well, all of their people apart from Lilly were in the truck when he tried to drive away. SO it can't really be that 'if we don't leave Lilly right now, Lilly might bet bit!' as it's kinda paradoxical.
I don't blame the bite on Lilly, that's basically impossible.
I don't think he was trying to cut her loose, but I think he was acting as if he didn't care whether she lived or died, which is arguably just as bad for a woman who was doing her best to keep them all alive.
It's not about Lilly getting bitten or not, it's about the rest of the group. Waiting for Lilly could have gotten someone else killed if she hadn't snapped out of it when she did. Again though, he probably wouldn't have batted an eye whether she'd made it to the RV or not and that's not a good thing.
This is exactly what I'm saying. Kenny just didn't care if she got in or not, and that's not cool. If the situation hadn't been as dire as it was then I'd probably look on this in a more negative light, but given everything that was going on (bandit raid, walkers) I can't really say that leaving Lilly would have been the wrong thing to do if she hadn't snapped out of her trance and run to the RV when she did.
Hmm, well I'm not sure someone would have died due to them being all in the RV and the only real enemies being walkers as the bandits were either dead by then or more concerned with killing the walkers than the people. No no risk of bullets really. But I take your point.
And I agree with the rest. But he did start to drive away when she had already started running. He could have waited a bit while she was running instead of driving off.
What would Lee say to Kenny and Luke for arguing, I'd be something like this...
"You two are acting like P*ssies!"