Carver changed?
Can someone tell me how he's different in episode 2 & 3?
I personally didn't saw much difference, he seemed like
the same guy to me 
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Can someone tell me how he's different in episode 2 & 3?
I personally didn't saw much difference, he seemed like
the same guy to me
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In episode 2 he seemed like a really well written villainous character that would do anything to get his people back to his camp and would take care of them, in episode 3 he kills one of his group members because of berries.
This is pretty much perfect.
Rest in peace Reggie you one armed badass, how we hardly knew thee.
Far from it, right from the beginning he can slap Clem and establish himself as the "survival of the fittest" psycho who uses violence in pretty much every circumstance, throwing his whole calm, cool and collected attitude that he had in episode two out the window.
Was he ever a good guy? No, he certainly wasn't. But rather a morally gray guy who wasn't afraid of getting his hand dirty in order to achieve his goals. Kind of like The Governor version from the Tv Show(one of the things the show managed to do better than the comics, imo).
I placed my hand there.
Get can't get my head around all these high-tech moving pictures, just have this.
What if his attitude toward Clem in episode 2 was actually a cover?
He kind of drifted away from being a great villain, to just going all out insane and just beating and killing people for the smallest of reasons.
That was most certainly a cover, whether or not he was like that from the beginning. Still, his change in personality is way too sudden. And even if he was always like that, how on earth did he manage to keep that community under his lead for so long? Granted, the whole "it's not exactly peachy, but it's safe" attitude can only last for so long....someone would actually try to start a plan to take him out.
Regardless, Carver had the potential to be a great antagonist and add something unique to the game, something which, sadly, didn't happen.
To be honest, he didn't seem all that different.
I expected him to be like that. People are like "Oh, he had a way with words. He seemed like a guy who would take care of his group!" Yeah, at first. But then He shot Alvin in the head and broke Carlos' fingers, and threatened to shoot Clem. So I knew episode 3 we were getting a brutal man doing brutal shit.
In Episode 2, he was a smoothtalking con man. In episode 3, he was a bloodthirsty psychopath.
The reason for this is because Nick Breckon wrote episode 2 and someone else wrote episode 3
He shot Alvin because Kenny shot him first, eye for an eye, who was the one that spit in Carver's face first? He sure was brutal, but he was brutal in a less stupid and generic way in episode 2.
But Nick Breckon is also the lead writer of season 2, which means most of what happens is under his approval.
In episode 2 Carver is looking for them so he is in hunter mode gathering information on them from Clem. Once he has them in his power he no longer needs to play games and it is submit or pay the price.
A lot of people seemed to be hoping despite contrary evidence that Carver would have been a morally complex character. They had faith in the writers to deliver on that. Indeed, Episode 3 provided a few scant hints that Carver was not always an unstable, ultra-violent monster without actually providing on-screen evidence that he had any humanity left.
Personally, I thought he was a scumbag sociopath from the start. He intrudes on Clem's personal space in a way that made my skin crawl. He tortures a man in front of his beloved daughter, and treats a black woman like his property. He hits a child and threatens to kill her. He murders an innocent man without blinking an eye, and could go on to kill the husband of the woman he treats like an incubator for his baby. His behavior in Episode 2 irreversibly turned me against him, and my main disappointment with Episode 3's treatment of him is that Clem was not the one to put him down.
A guy spits in your face so you break his fingers in front of his daughter? The punch was enough
I would have preferred if they had written Carver in episode three the way they introduced him in episode two. Dangerous.. but in a subtle way.
He did that in order to make his vulnerable daughter cry out in anguish, guilting Rebecca into surrender.
That is not the work of a lover. That is caculated evil.
Its fucked up is what it is lol
It's quite pragmatic.. Carver was an evil leader, but also a rather practical one. His behavior in the safety of his own community is just an extension of how he behaved back in the ski-lodge - he commits acts of horrific violence which have a twisted rationale behind them.
He kills Reggie, a traitor and an incompetent "liability", in front of Sarah and a new arrival to intimidate them. He goes berserk on Kenny in order to break the spirit of the prisoners and weaken a very visible threat to his community's stability. He tortures Alvin in front of Rebecca to prove to her that he is stronger and better than her "weak" husband. And he's even willing to kill a child in front of Rebecca and threaten to kill her baby once she becomes complicit in the zombie attack that ultimately dooms his community.
That was pretty well written
I'm just saying that I don't think there really was any chance of redeeming Carver after his savagery in Episode 2. Indeed, it's his obsession with strength and brutality that ultimately leads to his downfall. He underestimates a little girl who clearly hates him, traumatizes an autistic teenager into near-catatonia with his close-minded use of corporal punishment, loses the sympathy of a loyal but kind follower with his unashamed brutality, strengthens the resolve of his prisoners to escape after breaking Kenny in front of them, and finally makes the mistake of abandoning his followers when they need him in order to try and stop a group of armed people on his own.
The fact that Kenny kills him in the middle of the Season seems to indicate to me that Carver really wasn't the primary antagonist of the Season. Rather, he represents the end-point in the character arc of a man like Kenny.