Same here, I was like WTF Kenny? But I realized he was just trying to make a point. Also I wanted to explain as to why I stayed with Kenny. It seems that we have different personalitys, You wanted to fulfill Kenny's final wish, I wanted to prevent it from being final. He deserves to watch them grow up, he deserves to raise AJ. In my book he completely and utterly redeemed himself. I cried like a little girl and I am proud of it. #VivaLaMoustache
Yeah and in the end kenny could live his life half happy rather then not happy at all knowing his only alive people he cares about that are alive are safe and gonna be taken care of which means we might be seeing him in season 3
But think of what Kenny would've wanted, wouldn't he want to know they are protected and safe? We have to face the facts, they can only surv… moreive in Wellington, they can't breastfeed the damn baby.
I just couldn't break his heart, he was crying and begging me to go, it was his damn death wish and I had to do it, but I guess there is still something to sticking with him 'til the bitter end.
Yeah and in the end kenny could live his life half happy rather then not happy at all knowing his only alive people he cares about that are alive are safe and gonna be taken care of which means we might be seeing him in season 3
But think of what Kenny would've wanted, wouldn't he want to know they are protected and safe? We have to face the facts, they can only surv… moreive in Wellington, they can't breastfeed the damn baby.
I just couldn't break his heart, he was crying and begging me to go, it was his damn death wish and I had to do it, but I guess there is still something to sticking with him 'til the bitter end.
I just can't believe they will survive with him, it's unrealistic, I wanted to prevent it from being final too but I just couldn't get myself to believe there's a chance to survive out in the cold without milk for the baby and only a blanket to keep him warm.
I would do the same if I thought there's a chance they could make it, but frankly, I can't see it.
Same here, I was like WTF Kenny? But I realized he was just trying to make a point. Also I wanted to explain as to why I stayed with Kenny. … moreIt seems that we have different personalitys, You wanted to fulfill Kenny's final wish, I wanted to prevent it from being final. He deserves to watch them grow up, he deserves to raise AJ. In my book he completely and utterly redeemed himself. I cried like a little girl and I am proud of it. #VivaLaMoustache
It can happen. If Clem alone could take care of AJ, she can do it with Kenny helping her too. It's "unrealistic", sure. But never cross anything out. I never said they would survive, but after Kenny willing to sacrifice himself for Clem, I can't see it as a waste of life, I see it as a worthy extension, and a reminder that he is a good man after all, and he is loved.
I just can't believe they will survive with him, it's unrealistic, I wanted to prevent it from being final too but I just couldn't get mysel… moref to believe there's a chance to survive out in the cold without milk for the baby and only a blanket to keep him warm.
I would do the same if I thought there's a chance they could make it, but frankly, I can't see it.
I Agree on this thats bias bullcrap i mean if someone was in a bad situation i would suspect they would take them in instantly they cant like you said its the apocalypse u would suspect they would take em in a heartbeat the world is crazy outside so there stupid for doing that overcapacity crap i agree on your points once again awesome sir
Small chance in my opinion, the huge walls and fancy shit was pretty convincing, and I don't think the odds of another crazy cannibal-filled community like Terminus to exist is high.
Thinking it over, it does raise a suspicion that they accepted 2 living humans instead of 3 after not agreeing to welcome anyone in before that, maybe they're picking off the small prey? I don't think so, but it's food for thought.
I don't mean it as in a trap, I mean it as in Carver. Maybe they aren't too nice, I mean squeezing 1 person in really isn't that hard... But if Clementine IS the protag for next season, I bet that Clem and Kenny will both be in Wellington, since there will be a timeskip, it's not a perfect theory by no means, but maybe Kenny will die early when they try to escape, get some early feels on us, and then Clem and AJ will manage to escape. Maybe it becomes corrupted over time, I have no clue.
Small chance in my opinion, the huge walls and fancy shit was pretty convincing, and I don't think the odds of another crazy cannibal-filled… more community like Terminus to exist is high.
Thinking it over, it does raise a suspicion that they accepted 2 living humans instead of 3 after not agreeing to welcome anyone in before that, maybe they're picking off the small prey? I don't think so, but it's food for thought.
But how would they feed the baby? Where will they find any milk?
And what about warmth? Can they really wait out a few months in the snow without the baby, which is only wrapped naked inside a blanket, to die from the crazy snowstorms of the winter?
It can happen. If Clem alone could take care of AJ, she can do it with Kenny helping her too. It's "unrealistic", sure. But never cross anyt… morehing out. I never said they would survive, but after Kenny willing to sacrifice himself for Clem, I can't see it as a waste of life, I see it as a worthy extension, and a reminder that he is a good man after all, and he is loved.
True, but in a zombie apocalypse, always assume the worst, optimism does not exist in this world. Only Pessimism. Sorry, but that would be my mindset in a apocalypse.
I don't mean it as in a trap, I mean it as in Carver. Maybe they aren't too nice, I mean squeezing 1 person in really isn't that hard... But… more if Clementine IS the protag for next season, I bet that Clem and Kenny will both be in Wellington, since there will be a timeskip, it's not a perfect theory by no means, but maybe Kenny will die early when they try to escape, get some early feels on us, and then Clem and AJ will manage to escape. Maybe it becomes corrupted over time, I have no clue.
Alright guys I'm out now as it's 1:30 AM where I am ;_; Gonna cry myself to sleep and upload the selfie challenge tomorrow. Discussion was really nice, thanks a lot AWESOMEO you really are in my opinion one of the most contributing members of these forums. Good night y'all.
True, but in a zombie apocalypse, always assume the worst, optimism does not exist in this world. Only Pessimism. Sorry, but that would be my mindset in a apocalypse.
True, but in a zombie apocalypse, always assume the worst, optimism does not exist in this world. Only Pessimism. Sorry, but that would be my mindset in a apocalypse.
Alright guys I'm out now as it's 1:30 AM where I am ;_; Gonna cry myself to sleep and upload the selfie challenge tomorrow. Discussion was r… moreeally nice, thanks a lot AWESOMEO you really are in my opinion one of the most contributing members of these forums. Good night y'all.
You guys are defending Kenny? There was no way I was letting Kenny kill Jane. Her way of showing Kenny's insanity was a stupid idea, but it got the point across for me. Kenny was unhinged and he isn't what is right for Clem.
Im just saying man you cant say something is bad or good without any proof ill make a example its like saying for say a subway sub is bad when u never tryed 1 so you wouldent know if it was good or bad
True, but in a zombie apocalypse, always assume the worst, optimism does not exist in this world. Only Pessimism. Sorry, but that would be my mindset in a apocalypse.
I liked Jane and I liked Kenny. And THAT's the problem.
Jane came back and i was really glad she did, but there came a point
when I started to realize that she wouldn't help Clem in a dangerous situation.
When she came back she said something like: "I would never leave you "again" "
But she didn't keep her promise....
After the accident Jane walked away from Clem.
She didn't try to help her out of the car. She left her.
She broke her promise.
In this situation Kenny was the better survival choice.
I wanted to go to Wellington. I didn't want to go back to Carvers place.
Gosh~ I mean: My whole group died to get me closer to Wellington and after everyone's dead I'm supposed to turn around?
No freaking way!
Even though I couldn't trust Kenny blind, guessing what's on his mind is pretty easy.
Kenny loves his family and as long as you stay quiet about them, you won't have a problem.
Despite that I have the feeling that Kenny considers Clem as his family -> He would never hurt his family.
You can't know what Jane is thinking about, because she barely opens up.
She left Clem twice and don't forget: she even left her own sister (family): that's something Kenny would never do!
Even though I like her as a character, she is no one my Clem should trust.
(This is something you couldn't know without playing at least one ending)
Jane could end the fight at any point. She knew AJ was alive. One word and the fight would be over, but she didn't.
remember what she tells you? She didn't expect Kenny to go that far? she didn't expect him to get killed?
That's just not true. IF she wanted to spare his life she could have easily said something.
She wanted Clem to kill him and waited long enough to get herself killed.
For me choosing Kenny over Jane was a pretty obvious choice.
Even though staying with him was just something temporary for me, I was sure i could survive the next days with him.
I didn't think Jane could keep me alive.
What he did was just so wrong, if the baby was dead then trying to slaughter Jane wasn't going to help anything. What Kenny did for AJ and Clem was sweet but I couldn't let him kill Jane.
I think Kenny's ending could be as true as any, I don't see how Clem would find the strength to kill him anyway, he's a father figure.
An… mored Jane could've at least confessed him AJ is alive when she had a fucking knife pointed at her, but she had to be a fucking martyr and die proving a (rather useless) point instead of preventing any bloodshed.
For me I think Kenny was one of the more well written characters in season 2, if not the best. The parallels between how Kenny treated Ben and then Arvo (even with it culminating in Arvo facing up to Kenny and saying 'fuck you'). And personally the moments between just Kenny and Clem in this latest chapter.
Anyway what I wanted to say is down to the different endings. For me when I watched all of the endings (I got the Clem & AJ stays in Wellington on my run) I instantly thought that they were split into two distinct categories. The two Wellington endings were for me, showing an almost softer, nicer Clem. The one who throughout the game tried to save Sarah, or didn't steal the meds etc... Whereas the other three endings all showed a much more hardened Clem, from rejecting the family at the gates, or letting them in but noticing the gun and not trusting them. And then there's the badass solo, herd ending.
So for me the endings were as much about how YOUR Clem turned out as it was between the choice between Jane and Kenny, which a lot of people seem to be distilling it down to.
Now I'm not saying that it's as simple as Kenny = soft Clem, Jane = battlehardened Clem, there's too many variables and interpretations in this game for that... and isn't that why we all love this game in the first place?
I liked Jane and I liked Kenny. And THAT's the problem.
Jane came back and i was really glad she did, but there came a point
when I start… moreed to realize that she wouldn't help Clem in a dangerous situation.
When she came back she said something like: "I would never leave you "again" "
But she didn't keep her promise....
After the accident Jane walked away from Clem.
She didn't try to help her out of the car. She left her.
She broke her promise.
In this situation Kenny was the better survival choice.
* I wanted to go to Wellington. I didn't want to go back to Carvers place.
Gosh~ I mean: My whole group died to get me closer to Wellington and after everyone's dead I'm supposed to turn around?
No freaking way!
* Even though I couldn't trust Kenny blind, guessing what's on his mind is pretty easy.
Kenny loves his family and as long as you stay quiet about them, you won't have a problem.
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100% agreed. Call me selfish if you want, but Kenny is all Clementine has left, and I wasn't about to let him go. Wellington might have room for them in the future, who knows?
He was happy enough I decided to tag along with him.
Kenny- "You're stubborn as a mule"
Clementine- "I wonder where I get that from" B… moreoth smile
I mean, we got another bag of supplies and got invited back to try again in a couple of months so there is still hope. Still, we've been through so much, can't walk out now. We stick together.
I Agree on this thats bias bullcrap i mean if someone was in a bad situation i would suspect they would take them in instantly they cant … morelike you said its the apocalypse u would suspect they would take em in a heartbeat the world is crazy outside so there stupid for doing that overcapacity crap i agree on your points once again awesome sir
There was nothing she could physically do to save her sister, and her sister wanted that. only you can decide when you've had enough of life and Janes sister had enough a long time ago but Jane forced her to move on until she couldn't do anything.
Oh lord, she actually wasn't going to leave a group of people and a baby for dead?!?!?!
Give me a fucking break, that doesn't mean she wouldn't abandon Clem, she abandoned her own sister for god's sake.
Kenny elbowed me in the nose when I tried to stop him from unnecessarily beating up Arvo, he also shoved me out of the way so he could hurt Jane, and you say he would NEVER hurt her.
There was nothing she could physically do to save her sister, and her sister wanted that. only you can decide when you've had enough of life and Janes sister had enough a long time ago but Jane forced her to move on until she couldn't do anything.
He did those to me too, the first one was ana accident, he didn't even notice she was there, and the second one was a light push into the snow, so it wasn't painful much.
And he still didn't do it out of an intention to hurt Clementine, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Kenny elbowed me in the nose when I tried to stop him from unnecessarily beating up Arvo, he also shoved me out of the way so he could hurt Jane, and you say he would NEVER hurt her.
Well I didn't know Kenny was gonna snap out of his crazy and get Clem to safety. I made the choice that I felt was best for Clem at the time and I stand by it.
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Same here, I was like WTF Kenny? But I realized he was just trying to make a point. Also I wanted to explain as to why I stayed with Kenny. It seems that we have different personalitys, You wanted to fulfill Kenny's final wish, I wanted to prevent it from being final. He deserves to watch them grow up, he deserves to raise AJ. In my book he completely and utterly redeemed himself. I cried like a little girl and I am proud of it. #VivaLaMoustache
Yeah and in the end kenny could live his life half happy rather then not happy at all knowing his only alive people he cares about that are alive are safe and gonna be taken care of which means we might be seeing him in season 3
Yeah and in the end kenny could live his life half happy rather then not happy at all knowing his only alive people he cares about that are alive are safe and gonna be taken care of which means we might be seeing him in season 3
I just can't believe they will survive with him, it's unrealistic, I wanted to prevent it from being final too but I just couldn't get myself to believe there's a chance to survive out in the cold without milk for the baby and only a blanket to keep him warm.
I would do the same if I thought there's a chance they could make it, but frankly, I can't see it.
It can happen. If Clem alone could take care of AJ, she can do it with Kenny helping her too. It's "unrealistic", sure. But never cross anything out. I never said they would survive, but after Kenny willing to sacrifice himself for Clem, I can't see it as a waste of life, I see it as a worthy extension, and a reminder that he is a good man after all, and he is loved.
Guys guys, you forget, we have no evidence that Wellington is actually safe.
I Agree on this thats bias bullcrap i mean if someone was in a bad situation i would suspect they would take them in instantly they cant like you said its the apocalypse u would suspect they would take em in a heartbeat the world is crazy outside so there stupid for doing that overcapacity crap i agree on your points once again awesome sir
Small chance in my opinion, the huge walls and fancy shit was pretty convincing, and I don't think the odds of another crazy cannibal-filled community like Terminus to exist is high.
Thinking it over, it does raise a suspicion that they accepted 2 living humans instead of 3 after not agreeing to welcome anyone in before that, maybe they're picking off the small prey? I don't think so, but it's food for thought.
Best ending.
But yet again we have no evidence its dangerous either
Look we all know Kenny would try to take over Wellington within five seconds of setting foot in there anyway.
I don't mean it as in a trap, I mean it as in Carver. Maybe they aren't too nice, I mean squeezing 1 person in really isn't that hard... But if Clementine IS the protag for next season, I bet that Clem and Kenny will both be in Wellington, since there will be a timeskip, it's not a perfect theory by no means, but maybe Kenny will die early when they try to escape, get some early feels on us, and then Clem and AJ will manage to escape. Maybe it becomes corrupted over time, I have no clue.
But how would they feed the baby? Where will they find any milk?
And what about warmth? Can they really wait out a few months in the snow without the baby, which is only wrapped naked inside a blanket, to die from the crazy snowstorms of the winter?
True, but in a zombie apocalypse, always assume the worst, optimism does not exist in this world. Only Pessimism. Sorry, but that would be my mindset in a apocalypse.
Good assumption, maybe..
Alright guys I'm out now as it's 1:30 AM where I am ;_; Gonna cry myself to sleep and upload the selfie challenge tomorrow. Discussion was really nice, thanks a lot AWESOMEO you really are in my opinion one of the most contributing members of these forums. Good night y'all.
Lol xD
Ok okey dokey u have ur opinions
Not Pessimism, but Realism.
Warms me up to hear that, you're a good guy with interesting opinions too, good night.
How do you care about a dumb bitch like that more than Kenny? A man who Clem has been with much longer with, fuck jane. No loyalty, smh.
Im just saying man you cant say something is bad or good without any proof ill make a example its like saying for say a subway sub is bad when u never tryed 1 so you wouldent know if it was good or bad
I don't need to remember Kenny.
I saved him and left Wellington with him. I damn best be seeing him in Season 3.
Still remember him as that guy if you agree.
I liked Jane and I liked Kenny. And THAT's the problem.
Jane came back and i was really glad she did, but there came a point
when I started to realize that she wouldn't help Clem in a dangerous situation.
When she came back she said something like: "I would never leave you "again" "
But she didn't keep her promise....
After the accident Jane walked away from Clem.
She didn't try to help her out of the car. She left her.
She broke her promise.
In this situation Kenny was the better survival choice.
I wanted to go to Wellington. I didn't want to go back to Carvers place.
Gosh~ I mean: My whole group died to get me closer to Wellington and after everyone's dead I'm supposed to turn around?
No freaking way!
Even though I couldn't trust Kenny blind, guessing what's on his mind is pretty easy.
Kenny loves his family and as long as you stay quiet about them, you won't have a problem.
Despite that I have the feeling that Kenny considers Clem as his family -> He would never hurt his family.
You can't know what Jane is thinking about, because she barely opens up.
She left Clem twice and don't forget: she even left her own sister (family): that's something Kenny would never do!
Even though I like her as a character, she is no one my Clem should trust.
(This is something you couldn't know without playing at least one ending)
Jane could end the fight at any point. She knew AJ was alive. One word and the fight would be over, but she didn't.
remember what she tells you? She didn't expect Kenny to go that far? she didn't expect him to get killed?
That's just not true. IF she wanted to spare his life she could have easily said something.
She wanted Clem to kill him and waited long enough to get herself killed.
For me choosing Kenny over Jane was a pretty obvious choice.
Even though staying with him was just something temporary for me, I was sure i could survive the next days with him.
I didn't think Jane could keep me alive.
^ THIS.
For me I think Kenny was one of the more well written characters in season 2, if not the best. The parallels between how Kenny treated Ben and then Arvo (even with it culminating in Arvo facing up to Kenny and saying 'fuck you'). And personally the moments between just Kenny and Clem in this latest chapter.
Anyway what I wanted to say is down to the different endings. For me when I watched all of the endings (I got the Clem & AJ stays in Wellington on my run) I instantly thought that they were split into two distinct categories. The two Wellington endings were for me, showing an almost softer, nicer Clem. The one who throughout the game tried to save Sarah, or didn't steal the meds etc... Whereas the other three endings all showed a much more hardened Clem, from rejecting the family at the gates, or letting them in but noticing the gun and not trusting them. And then there's the badass solo, herd ending.
So for me the endings were as much about how YOUR Clem turned out as it was between the choice between Jane and Kenny, which a lot of people seem to be distilling it down to.
Now I'm not saying that it's as simple as Kenny = soft Clem, Jane = battlehardened Clem, there's too many variables and interpretations in this game for that... and isn't that why we all love this game in the first place?
He ALWAYS tells you that you made the right choice.
Kill him -> He agrees with you
Go to wellington -> he agrees with you
Stay with him -> he agrees with you and let you come with him.
So this quote is pretty useless if he agrees with you no matter what you choose.
Great explanation, I think the same way.
XD
100% agreed. Call me selfish if you want, but Kenny is all Clementine has left, and I wasn't about to let him go. Wellington might have room for them in the future, who knows?
There was nothing she could physically do to save her sister, and her sister wanted that. only you can decide when you've had enough of life and Janes sister had enough a long time ago but Jane forced her to move on until she couldn't do anything.
Kenny elbowed me in the nose when I tried to stop him from unnecessarily beating up Arvo, he also shoved me out of the way so he could hurt Jane, and you say he would NEVER hurt her.
Clem is 12, not a teenager.
She gave up on her sister instead of making her choose life, that's not the right thing to do, you don't end it cuz it's hard.
He did those to me too, the first one was ana accident, he didn't even notice she was there, and the second one was a light push into the snow, so it wasn't painful much.
And he still didn't do it out of an intention to hurt Clementine, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Well I didn't know Kenny was gonna snap out of his crazy and get Clem to safety. I made the choice that I felt was best for Clem at the time and I stand by it.
^ THAT