**** is crazy?
Alright, let's talk about Jane. She seems nice when you first see her, before the ice cream vs pizza decision I was like "OK, let's see" but, after choosing to save Kenny, I knew I made the right decision.
After Kenny attacked her, she already made her point. He lost it (again), but, after the second punch, she could just said that AJ was alive and they would have a conversation about what happened. Also, she gives the impression that she's a damn good person who knows how to survive, but when she was arguing with Kenny in the car, they both said childish things.
What do you guys think?
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Fuck Jane
She's a dickhead
Jane expected Clem to shoot Kenny so Jane could be the only person with Clem.
This. She got what was coming to her.
I don't see how people can call Jane 'insane' and defend Kenny with a straight face.
What she did was utterly stupid but Kenny was hardly sound of mind by a long shot.
Jane was nuts...I'm glad Kenny killed her in my game.
I think I wouldn't ever be able to trust her after that play. I think Jane thought she had the right intentions, but I don't think a "good" person thinks "let's abandon this baby and tell a man who has nothing else in this world that I got it killed" just to prove a point. It was clear to all of them what their situation was without her provoking that fight in the middle of a goddamn snowstorm.
I'm the minority. Kenny needed to die. He was so happy that I shot him (That sounded weird but not rephrasing). He needed to rest. And I actually ended up with Jane and the family. But that ending got me pissed. "Cool hat." "Yeah. Thanks." I don't know why it got me pissed. I just wanted more like Christa or Lilly.
Eh i killed kenny he was getting to unpredictable and he even told me i made the right choice
Fuck Jane
So glad that Kenny stabbed her.
Unpredicable? He shouted at everyone
I mean what he did to carver and that walker and just how he was acting lately he was defintly becoming someone i would avoid at all cost plus he's happy in death now that he can be with his family again
They were both fucking nuts. The thing is though, Kenny REALIZED that he was too far gone to protect Clem and AJ, while Jane never did. Nothing that either Jane or Kenny did in that scene was right or justifiable.
Jane and Kenny were BOTH mentally unsound.
Kenny was Physically abusive
Jane was manipulative.
Both were emotionally abusive and extremely obsessive and refused to let Clem make any decisions.
They were Pizza and Icecream. Both are bad for you but both are tempting.
The only endings that were good is if you leave Jane and Kill Kenny (he gets his closure and moment of clarity) or if you follow Kenny and have him leave you and Alvin in Wellington so he can finally be free and learns to let go.
Leaving with Jane is incredibly dangerous since she gives you 0 autonomy/decision to go to Wellington (whether to find Christa), manipulates and stages a situation where you Shoot Kenny. And from what we learned of Jaime, She will keep pushing you to go where she wants to till you lose the will to live. That is suffocation at it's finest and she is no different than kenny railroading decisions. She just sugarcoats her words in the name of survival.
Despite shooting Kenny, in my subsequent play-throughs/rewinds, what Jane did felt a lot more sinister and inhuman.
Kenny had lost it... Jane contributed to that during the truck argument (and what Arvo/Mike/Bonnie did to Clem also probably had him freaking out). He was not thinking at all. He even tells Clem he "blacked out" and he clearly has remorse and assures Clem she did the right thing (in both choices where she can shoot him). While he was insane and murdering Jane is not acceptable, the fact he was so crazed really falls in that "2nd degree murder" category (a crime of passion).
On the other hand, Jane seemed like she had been working to win Clem as a replacement sister for a long time. She had talked down the group, she really laid into Kenny in a way that put everybody in danger during the truck argument (I know Kenny fanned the flames too). However, when Kenny ran off to check for fuel and Jane started talking about being "free" with Clem (and leaving Kenny), then telling Clem to drive and pretty much abandon Kenny, you can tell she had a definite goal to be rid of Kenny. I understand she felt kenny was too volatile, that he was a threat to her and Clem and AJ's survival... but, that doesn't justify her abandoning Clem in the car/blizzard, then hiding the baby only to provide the spark that causes Kenny to explode (and forces Clementine into shooting him). The whole scenario (and way it plays out) seems extremely pre-meditated, as in "1st degree murder" (a crime plotted by a cool-head).
Both are murderers. Both have made enormous mistakes and are dangerous. But, honestly, who isn't in this world? Nearly every person is forced to be something terrible in TWD universe, so it is really a question of what people's underlying motives are and how they carry themselves.
I found Jane much more "evil" than Kenny because she had provoked him into finally breaking and she didn't need to carry it that far. At any time, she could have screamed at him that AJ was alive and then (likely) Clem would have wanted to part ways with crazy Kenny anyway. Instead, Jane created a scenario where Clem all but HAD to kill a man whose only sin was behaving irrationally in defense of his family.
Kenny was by no means perfect, and Jane isn't either, but siding with Kenny sits better with me because his "dangerous" side was coming from a place of love and a desire to protect something that is helpless. Sure, how he went about doing that was twisted and screwed up, but you can tell his crimes are coming from passion (and he is not as sinister to me as somebody like Jane who carefully plots situations that can manipulate Clem into being her replacement sister). Jane, on the other hand, scares me because in her endings (either leaving her and going alone, going with her to carvers and accepting/refusing the family), she says things that seem cold and borderline psychotic to me.
Kenny is batshit crazy, but he is crazy from love and grief. You can see just how genuine and pure his motives are (even if the twisted world of TWD shits all over that). Jane is more dangerous to Clem by far because she's clearly lost a big part of what made her human and, to me, breaking Kenny and manipulating Clem was the way she decided to reclaim her humanity... but, of course, doing something like that means you'll never be human. Kenny realized this about himself, which is part of why he begs Clem to stay at Wellington and tells her she is right to shoot him (if she does). I got the feeling that Jane wasn't even aware of how much peril she was putting Clem in (by playing on her fears of others dragging her down).
Jane tells Clem that she's the only one who can pull Kenny back from a dark place and encourages her to do so.
She also didn't think Kenny would take it as far as he did and that she'd need to kill him.
What Jane did wasn't right, but Kenny was a rabid dog who even she underestimated as being too far gone.
Yeah, bitch is crazy.
I actually agree with you to a point. My initial reaction was to kill Kenny (but leave Jane), and I still don't think that was a bad choice given the incomplete info. But, considering what she did with the Baby (and what she says if you decide to leave her... and what she says in the truck after Kenny leaves), I am skeptical about her comment about pulling Kenny back from the dark place.
Considering how manipulative and premediated so much of what she does is, I even take a comment like that as some kind of way to reinforce any doubt in Clem's mind about Kenny (and to make Jane seem like the reasonable one who can talk to Clem about Kenny like an adult would).
One of the things Jane says in the truck to hurt Kenny is that people talk about him behind his back. While it's a true statement, too much about her behavior makes me doubt her intentions (and this is confirmed in how she behaves at Howe's). In contrast, the Wellington endings (and shooting Kenny) establishes his motives were golden, despite his obvious flaws.