Kenny was right
If jane just told kenny that AJ was fine he would of stop, and to be honest what jane did wasn't the smart move.
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If jane just told kenny that AJ was fine he would of stop, and to be honest what jane did wasn't the smart move.
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Yet there's always going to be people trying to justify Janes actions and defend them and than place all the blame on solely Kenny. Which is why I love this series it just brings people together in that way. ^_^
That is very true bravo.
But I felt so much guilt when I left her. What she said after I said I wouldn't go with her. Staying with her or leaving her was one of the hardest decisions of the entire series.
True, very true.
Kenny had every right to be pissed and kill Jane. He would do anything to protect AJ and Clementine.
Don't poke a bear. Never poke a bear that protect his cubs. Even if they are adopted. And never ever piss off that bear by dissing his dead family and girlfriend.
Jane had a deathwish.
Question people complaining about Kenny should ask themselves is, what if Jane pulled that stunt on Lee using Clementine? You really think Lee wouldn't have went all rage mode and done the same thing??
Yeah, how in Wellington he told them to ''just take the kids'' that really showed how much he cares
In some ways, she's just as broken as Kenny.
Yeah.. seriously. What the fuck was she expecting? It almost seems flat out evil.
If someone killed my little girl IRL I would lose it and try to kill them too. Her actions were just horrible.
Did you see what lee did when Vernon wanted to take her, or when Danny grabbed her?
That's a very good point, If i were you I would have made a thread saying that..
Kenny was a complete loose cannon either way. He was going to flip sometime. Jane just made it happen sooner than later.
Smart move, the right move? That's probably the debate. She wanted to show Clem how far gone he was before he really put them in hot water at a worse time. She still has that selfish characteristic where she needs control though. She could have only wanted to remove the threat, the variable, for her own needs, all while trying to rationalize it to Clem to get her on her side.
jane is lilly 2.0
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If you choose to be with him, and stay in Wellington he doesn't flip.
Plus Kenny had legit reason to be behaving the way he did, and if anything he NEVER LAID A HAND ON CLEM or the baby. If in any circumstances he did in any of his rage fits I would have agree he's definitely too far gone, but his rage was directed at DANGERS that deserved it and the naive ones who were too soft to understand the risks of bonding with the enemy, OR from people who PUSHED HIM...
I fully agree.
It's a discussion for a fictional story and I don't think you understand my point.
Still, both have bad traits. Kenny becoming too hard on anyone he doesn't know who is strong enough to be perceived as a threat. Jane too controlling, needing to be in control. Both alright people before tragedy shaped them into who they became. They BOTH made poor decisions, in my opinion. I fail to see where I'm taking sides.
Vorox, you don't see Kenny's obsession with Wellington as a problem? I mean, he completely refused to even consider any other option.
No problem at all because guess what that was THE best option, Christa thought the same thing and that was the plan her and Clem had from the start and it just so happened Kenny was all on board with it too. He had strong hopes for it and felt that was the better option than going back to the previous place they know fell once before and COULD fall once again. The others wanted the easiest option which was to go back where they started while Kenny and Christa wanted to go to the most APPEALING option.
How so? It was not like Jane said: "I killed the damn baby", she was like "i couldn't save him" imagine if the baby really died, a woman in the middle of that snow running from walkers carrying a crying baby, things could easily went bad, and its not like you can sacrifice yourself for a baby, he will not walk away from the zombies. Yeah she was stupid, yeah she could had said in the middle of the fight that the baby were alive, but she proved her point, Kenny was broken, he had no right to kill her, if Clem had lost the baby, so he could kill her too?
No problem at all because guess what that was THE best option, Christa thought the same thing and that was the plan her and Clem had from the start and it just so happened Kenny was all on board with it too. He had strong hopes for it and felt that was the better option than going back to the previous place they know fell once before and COULD fall once again. The others wanted the easiest option which was to go back where they started while Kenny and Christa wanted to go to the most APPEALING option.
jane pretended to have killed a baby (kenny said she did and she didn't deny it) so she could prove that kenny was unstable, thats like shooting someone to prove they are injured, she was crazy and selfish, basically she was a sociopath, maybe killing jane wasn't the 100% right thing to do, but killing a baby is like 99% of a good reason to kill someone.
He never lays a hand on Clem or the baby and that's a good thing, but it means he's perfectly willing to hurt and/or kill literally everyone else all in the name of "keeping them safe". He doesn't care if they're a decent person who just made a mistake. He doesn't care about anyone outside of his immediate circle of loved ones. Just because a monster won't eat its own young doesn't mean it isn't still a monster.
My Clementine would never, ever let Kenny spend their lives going on a mass killing spree just for her and AJ's sake. And AJ certainly doesn't need to learn that kind of behavior from Kenny. I tried my best to make it work with Ken, I really did, and killing him was emotionally one of the hardest things I've ever had to in this game. But when he died, he thanked me for it, because he saw what he'd become. I wouldn't have Kenny's character arc end any other way.
Before the ending - yeah, I saw it as a bad thing and I was really worried because I didn't know who to side with and what to do. Kenny seemed to want the best for Clem and AJ but at the same time he was kind of insane and too hostile towards everyone. Others, on the other hand while more emotionally stable didn't care for Clementine that much (maybe except Jane) and didn't really have a good plan (going back to Carver's camp was kind of a good plan, but going too texas or mexico would take far too long and be too much trouble)
Kenny: "How could you kill a FUCKING CHILD?!" Jane: "i didn't kill him, it was an ACCIDENT, Kenny."
not very convincing
Yeah, I totally agree.
And that's why I didn't enter Wellington... Not withouth him. I prefered to wander around a bit more with ol' Kenny and enter together if we have the chance later...
You said she pretended to have killed a baby, i'm just saying that this never happened, he killed her because she failed protecting the baby, not a good reason.
Good point, but him failing to weigh the options after everything that had happened wasn't good. At ton of stuff happened after that point where Kenny decided that that was where he wanted to go. Kenny's stubbornness to keep the course led to the fall of the group. Still probably would have happened though. Things went really bad at that clash of where to go.
You know, a thought just hit me. We are playing a game that changes ever so slightly around the choices we make. We all had different patterns of dialogue at different times that could have formed different views of some characters for all we know. Knowing this is making it kind of hard to discuss. I've only played through once and through my playthrough experience, I'm not on board with Kenny or Jane. I don't know if I would agree or not if I had experienced something else in a slightly different manner.
Try Telling that to a parent of a murdered child...
failed to protect is basically negligence, i what possible scenario could an understandable accident (where jane wasn't to blame) get the baby killed.
if you had my baby and it died, because if an "accident" i would blame you, especially in a scenario where i thought you were the kind of person that abandons people for their own selfish reason.
if it really was an accident she would have had a good reason, but obviously because she was lying about the baby being dead it sounded like she was lying about it being an accident
Me too. I also thought that after Howe's and Crawford I'd rather stay away from the huge communities.
While I don't agree with Jane's methods, I could see why she wanted to show Clem how irrational Kenny was in refusing to hear her out. However, she accomplished that and then allowed the fight to continue. As Kenny said, she only had to say AJ was alive to get the fight to stop. I can't side with someone who comes looking for a fight, has the means to stop the fight, and then doesn't use it.
VERY well said. This was my EXACT playthrough and the point I was trying to bring across.