First off, Arvo turned out to be a retarded twat and shoots Clem any ways, Kenny was right about him.
And second, if we change Kenny for Lee, and AJ for Clementine, 80% of people would have decided to let Lee kill Jane. As I said, go watch the ending with Kenny, it is proven he's no danger to Clementine or the baby.
For a big reason. He didn't beat the shit out of some Russian kid who didn't deserve it, or try to stab some because he THOUGHT (with absolutely ZERO evidence or fair reasoning) that she killed a baby.
It isnt a problem lol, i fix everything with violence and it works all the time. And no im not a psychopath, im just a bit aggresive, and kenny didnt hit clem just shoved so calm down
no, it isn't the truth, you're just being a dick. a lot of people dislike kenny, and they have great reasons to. saying he has normal behavi… moreour is ridiculous. he attacks people whenever something wrong happens to him, whether with words or with his fists. if you have the same temper as kenny, then that's a problem because he's a psychopath that takes out his anger on people when ever he's angry, and it's becoming more physical as time goes on.
kenny is far too dangerous to be kept with clem in my opinion, because if it's just the clementine, kenny and alvin jr, he will beat the shit out of clementine. (he was violent to clementine in the fight with jane, shoving her more than once, so don't say he would never hurt her.)
so no, it isn't the truth and you have no right to call someone stupid for disagreeing with your opinions, they are choices for a reason. at least jane doesnt attack people when she gets angry.
but in the end that fight showed me how fragile he was
* Cabin fuck ups come and ruin everything at the lodge, getting Walter and … moreMatthew killed
* Everyone gets caught by Carver
* Kenny gets a beating and loses an eye
* Kenny loses Sarita
* Kenny or anyone from his group could have died at the shootout, hence why he was so angry at Arvo
* Kenny makes peace with Luke but Luke literally dies the next day thanks to Arvo
* Kenny is driving through the snow in desperation after being betrayed by Bonnie and Mike and seeing Clem get shot, all while some dumb piece of shit woman is talking shit to him and his dead family
* Kenny is devastated after the fake baby death
All of this happened within a week. ANYONE who went through the same shit would have snapped at Jane.
Everyone who doubted Kenny ended up dead anyways lol
and I couldn't let it go on.
good thing sparing Kenny showed that he ended up being all okay
its the truth, i dont understand how can you shoot him because this is normal behaviour! I got the same temper as Kenny irl, and i know its normal so shh
it is a problem. him "shoving" her isn't okay. it's the start of something bigger. if he's willing to shove her in his rage focused on attacking jane, then what if it's focused on clementine?
also, you solving everything with violence, regardless of it working or not, is wrong. if you're like kenny then you hit people for making you angry, regardless of who they are...
It isnt a problem lol, i fix everything with violence and it works all the time. And no im not a psychopath, im just a bit aggresive, and kenny didnt hit clem just shoved so calm down
Shooting Kenny felt Lilly like. Copping out and killing a man to end a fight. It would have been selfish on our part to come between them li… moreke that. Clem will not kill to end fights.
She thought Carley/Doug couldnt be trusted, so she offed them. In that case, after she hid the baby and lied to us, we should have offed Jane. We cant just shoot Kenny cause he cant be trusted. We had thought Jane had murdered a child to save her own skin which I am not okay with.
I have watched it. It is in no way proven he's no danger, it just shows he isn't angry. What happens if Clem actually gets the baby killed accidentally, or lost him, or makes Kenny angry in some other way? Kenny being upset at her going doesn't make him a non-danger. It's like an abusive relationship cycle;
Kenny: OH NO I DIDNT SOMETHING WRONG FORGIVE ME I WONT DO IT AGAIN
Clem: ok i forgive you
Kenny: THANKS CLEM YOURE AWESOME
kenny fucks up again
maybe that's extreme, but you get the idea. Kenny has much more of a temper than Lee, and he's dangerous.
also, what you said about Lee attacking Jane, I would've shot Lee. no matter who it is, killing jane in that situation is inexcusable, because at the time they dont know that jane did anything on purpose.
First off, Arvo turned out to be a retarded twat and shoots Clem any ways, Kenny was right about him.
And second, if we change Kenny for … moreLee, and AJ for Clementine, 80% of people would have decided to let Lee kill Jane. As I said, go watch the ending with Kenny, it is proven he's no danger to Clementine or the baby.
A person is nice when he's nice to everyone, not just to AJ and Clementine.
Kenny lost his mind, he says it himself after he stabs Jane, that's a FACT.
Arvo hated Clem because she shot Natasha (he didn't see her turns) and be beaten up by Kenny for apperently no valid reason hadn't help.
I still like Kenny though, I'm sure he can change with some help (I went for the Kenny/Leave Wellington with Kenny ending) but I can't justify him for what he's done. And I really can't get why some people do.
First off, Arvo turned out to be a retarded twat and shoots Clem any ways, Kenny was right about him.
And second, if we change Kenny for … moreLee, and AJ for Clementine, 80% of people would have decided to let Lee kill Jane. As I said, go watch the ending with Kenny, it is proven he's no danger to Clementine or the baby.
I knew as soon as I played ti that the Kenny fans would get all pissy and say that killing him is a terrible decision or whatever.
Look, … moreKenny was trying to murder Jane. He also threw the first punch.
My Lee didn't even like Kenny.
So yeah, actually, my Clem IS being the clementine my Lee knew she could be.
Yes im like Kenny and im proud of it. I just protect my family and they gratefull, and violence is a good thing. And clem killed Sarita remember? Did he hit her? He even apologized for it in ep 5 so dont think he can hurt clem, also i think clem will beat his ass in a smart way
it is a problem. him "shoving" her isn't okay. it's the start of something bigger. if he's willing to shove her in his rage focused on attac… moreking jane, then what if it's focused on clementine?
also, you solving everything with violence, regardless of it working or not, is wrong. if you're like kenny then you hit people for making you angry, regardless of who they are...
Jane provoked him. She fucking deserved it. I just looked from my own point, would i shoot my self if i were Clem? Nope, so i didnt shoot Kenny either. It's so funny how similar he is to me, just the age difference
This line was mentioned in the Jane ending, but it's not in Lee's perspective. Lilly thought she hurt people to save the ones she loved and look how Lee reacted. If anything, Clementine most likely only said that for the baby, but not Jane. Turning down a family (Suspicion on the guy) for the baby is too much a sacrifice.
Also it was weird to have Lee say that unexpected line, I believe he means in the aspect of The Stranger incident and Carver's group (Troy for instance).
Not so much hurt the innocent, but hurt the hurtful.
"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop and I hurt me to do it but I had to.
I'm a huge fan of Kenny and when Clem had the choice to shoot him, I thought that he would be shot in the arm or somewhere non-fatal to at least stop him from attacking Jane.
When he died, and the baby was revealed to alive, I swear to god I have never hated a character as much as Jane (besides MOTHERFUCKING ARVO).
I started screaming and sobbing, thoughts of 'WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I DONE', 'I'VE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE', and 'JANE YOU BACKSTABBING SLUTFACE, I OUGHT TO SHOVE A SPIKED ROD UP YOUR LYING ASS' began racing through my imploding mind.
I ended up going with Jane, because I thought Clem would die out there by herself.
After I finished the game, I wanted to rewind for the Leave Wellington ending, but you had to replay the entire episode, and I don't think I could have replayed the fireplace scene without drowning in an endless stream of tears. (Luke, so happy and oblivious to your fate ;_;)
Jane provoked him. She fucking deserved it. I just looked from my own point, would i shoot my self if i were Clem? Nope, so i didnt shoot Kenny either. It's so funny how similar he is to me, just the age difference
Jane was my favorite anyway, and Lee didn't get along well with Kenny so no lost there. Besides It was evident that Kenny was tired of living so I just helped him on his way. Jane is awesome and will always be, and I'd choose her over any of those dull characters from this season any day.
Edit: The final scene was very predictable, I don't know why people hate Jane just because they found out the baby was alive. Seriously did you really think it was dead? Just look at what Jane says and how she acts, it's was clearly a set up. I'm surprised that many here found the baby being alive was surprising.
I'm sorry but what? An innocent girl? Please don't tell me you mean Jane. Please. She's said and showed us quite clearly that she can kill, steal, lie, desert and manipulate other people if it comes down to it. The women was FAR from innocent, you must not having been paying attention.
Exactly, and that's one reason I can't fault her with anything. Jane cares so much for Clem, and she showed it within this one episode than any other character from this season has throughout the entire season. Jane is love Jane is life!!
Kenny admitted that he was wrong and that Clem was right to shoot him.
I was disappointed with Jane's lie at the end though, one of the main reasons I picked her over Kenny was because I thought she got rid of the baby. Now we'll have to deal with that pain in the ass next season.
Clem didn't kill Sarita. I killed the walker. He still blamed me and he had no right to do so. So what if he apologised? If you apologize to him he just continues his insults. And yes, he's very capable of hurting clem, and no, clementine couldn't beat him. He's a grown man and she's an 11 year old girl.
violence isn't a good thing. if there's an option other than violence you should take it, i'm no way a pacifist but solving everything with violence is just purely idiotic.
Yes im like Kenny and im proud of it. I just protect my family and they gratefull, and violence is a good thing. And clem killed Sarita reme… morember? Did he hit her? He even apologized for it in ep 5 so dont think he can hurt clem, also i think clem will beat his ass in a smart way
how do you know he was truthful? he wanted jane gone as much as jane wanted him gone, he probably would have accused her of lying just like when she told him it was an accident.
there was actually another way the fight could have stopped, jane could have mentioned that the baby is actually alive?! kenny even says if … moreyou save him he only attacked her cause he thought she killed aj cause she implied earlier that she didn't want the baby around and if she had said something he would have stopped
"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop and I hurt me to do it but I had to.
Yeah, then i guess you dont want to meet me. And i mean clem is way smarter then him, and smaller so she can easily do stuff where he just hurts him self
Clem didn't kill Sarita. I killed the walker. He still blamed me and he had no right to do so. So what if he apologised? If you apologize to… more him he just continues his insults. And yes, he's very capable of hurting clem, and no, clementine couldn't beat him. He's a grown man and she's an 11 year old girl.
violence isn't a good thing. if there's an option other than violence you should take it, i'm no way a pacifist but solving everything with violence is just purely idiotic.
It's her problem, she did a stupid thing, she practically asked for a fight, she pushed a man on the edge of insanity into a deep dark abyss, and this is how he reacts, you can't blame him.
how do you know he was truthful? he wanted jane gone as much as jane wanted him gone, he probably would have accused her of lying just like when she told him it was an accident.
He's trying to say that Lee would only support you letting Kenny murder Jane, which is ridiculous.
It all depends on who your clem is and who you Lee is.
It's childish to imply that one is the correct choice. Grow up.
Ugh I'm sorry but you don't know my Clementine/Lee or anyone else's Clementine/Lee. You're in no position to judge people and say what's right. Everyone plays their own damn game. My Lee would be proud that Clementine saved another person's life even if that meant putting Kenny down, so there's that.
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First off, Arvo turned out to be a retarded twat and shoots Clem any ways, Kenny was right about him.
And second, if we change Kenny for Lee, and AJ for Clementine, 80% of people would have decided to let Lee kill Jane. As I said, go watch the ending with Kenny, it is proven he's no danger to Clementine or the baby.
It isnt a problem lol, i fix everything with violence and it works all the time. And no im not a psychopath, im just a bit aggresive, and kenny didnt hit clem just shoved so calm down
I agree people always seem to forget/underestimate what he's been through. He's still a great guy who comes through for Clem/AJ.
I knew as soon as I played ti that the Kenny fans would get all pissy and say that killing him is a terrible decision or whatever.
Look, Kenny was trying to murder Jane. He also threw the first punch.
My Lee didn't even like Kenny.
So yeah, actually, my Clem IS being the clementine my Lee knew she could be.
You can say dick, we're all adults here...or mature whatever.
Kenny threw the first punch, and Kenny was about to murder Jane.
Stopping that from happening is not stupid.
it is a problem. him "shoving" her isn't okay. it's the start of something bigger. if he's willing to shove her in his rage focused on attacking jane, then what if it's focused on clementine?
also, you solving everything with violence, regardless of it working or not, is wrong. if you're like kenny then you hit people for making you angry, regardless of who they are...
Kenny threw the first punch and was DEFINITELY about to kill Jane.
Lilly didn't have any proof of Carley or Ben doing wrong at all.
No, it isn't the same.
Don't worry, the Kenny lovers are just upset that their bae is determinant.
I have watched it. It is in no way proven he's no danger, it just shows he isn't angry. What happens if Clem actually gets the baby killed accidentally, or lost him, or makes Kenny angry in some other way? Kenny being upset at her going doesn't make him a non-danger. It's like an abusive relationship cycle;
Kenny: OH NO I DIDNT SOMETHING WRONG FORGIVE ME I WONT DO IT AGAIN
Clem: ok i forgive you
Kenny: THANKS CLEM YOURE AWESOME
kenny fucks up again
maybe that's extreme, but you get the idea. Kenny has much more of a temper than Lee, and he's dangerous.
also, what you said about Lee attacking Jane, I would've shot Lee. no matter who it is, killing jane in that situation is inexcusable, because at the time they dont know that jane did anything on purpose.
A person is nice when he's nice to everyone, not just to AJ and Clementine.
Kenny lost his mind, he says it himself after he stabs Jane, that's a FACT.
Arvo hated Clem because she shot Natasha (he didn't see her turns) and be beaten up by Kenny for apperently no valid reason hadn't help.
I still like Kenny though, I'm sure he can change with some help (I went for the Kenny/Leave Wellington with Kenny ending) but I can't justify him for what he's done. And I really can't get why some people do.
I wish TT allowed us to shoot Jane.
Yes im like Kenny and im proud of it. I just protect my family and they gratefull, and violence is a good thing. And clem killed Sarita remember? Did he hit her? He even apologized for it in ep 5 so dont think he can hurt clem, also i think clem will beat his ass in a smart way
Kenny had to be put down do I did what was necessary!!
Jane provoked him. She fucking deserved it. I just looked from my own point, would i shoot my self if i were Clem? Nope, so i didnt shoot Kenny either. It's so funny how similar he is to me, just the age difference
This line was mentioned in the Jane ending, but it's not in Lee's perspective. Lilly thought she hurt people to save the ones she loved and look how Lee reacted. If anything, Clementine most likely only said that for the baby, but not Jane. Turning down a family (Suspicion on the guy) for the baby is too much a sacrifice.
Also it was weird to have Lee say that unexpected line, I believe he means in the aspect of The Stranger incident and Carver's group (Troy for instance).
Not so much hurt the innocent, but hurt the hurtful.
I'm a huge fan of Kenny and when Clem had the choice to shoot him, I thought that he would be shot in the arm or somewhere non-fatal to at least stop him from attacking Jane.
When he died, and the baby was revealed to alive, I swear to god I have never hated a character as much as Jane (besides MOTHERFUCKING ARVO).
I started screaming and sobbing, thoughts of 'WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I DONE', 'I'VE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE', and 'JANE YOU BACKSTABBING SLUTFACE, I OUGHT TO SHOVE A SPIKED ROD UP YOUR LYING ASS' began racing through my imploding mind.
I ended up going with Jane, because I thought Clem would die out there by herself.
After I finished the game, I wanted to rewind for the Leave Wellington ending, but you had to replay the entire episode, and I don't think I could have replayed the fireplace scene without drowning in an endless stream of tears. (Luke, so happy and oblivious to your fate ;_;)
We only knew she provoked him AFTER the fight, which is why you can easily justify leaving her, but not so much letting her be murdered.
Jane was my favorite anyway, and Lee didn't get along well with Kenny so no lost there. Besides It was evident that Kenny was tired of living so I just helped him on his way. Jane is awesome and will always be, and I'd choose her over any of those dull characters from this season any day.
Edit: The final scene was very predictable, I don't know why people hate Jane just because they found out the baby was alive. Seriously did you really think it was dead? Just look at what Jane says and how she acts, it's was clearly a set up. I'm surprised that many here found the baby being alive was surprising.
My Lee wouldn't have punched her and tried to slaughter her. What would be the point?
Kenny is love
Kenny is life
I saved Him
Sll that Jane was thinking is protect us . If she didn't give a damn about Clem , she'd never take that risk.
The option to personally kill all St John family members instead of leaving them kinda tempers that.
Do you mean after the fight or during it?
There's no point during it, and killing her after when no-one is at risk just makes clem a cold-blooded murderer. Leave her, if you don't like her.
I'm sorry but what? An innocent girl? Please don't tell me you mean Jane. Please. She's said and showed us quite clearly that she can kill, steal, lie, desert and manipulate other people if it comes down to it. The women was FAR from innocent, you must not having been paying attention.
Exactly, and that's one reason I can't fault her with anything. Jane cares so much for Clem, and she showed it within this one episode than any other character from this season has throughout the entire season. Jane is love Jane is life!!
He's trying to say that Lee would only support you letting Kenny murder Jane, which is ridiculous.
It all depends on who your clem is and who you Lee is.
It's childish to imply that one is the correct choice. Grow up.
Kenny admitted that he was wrong and that Clem was right to shoot him.
I was disappointed with Jane's lie at the end though, one of the main reasons I picked her over Kenny was because I thought she got rid of the baby. Now we'll have to deal with that pain in the ass next season.
Clem didn't kill Sarita. I killed the walker. He still blamed me and he had no right to do so. So what if he apologised? If you apologize to him he just continues his insults. And yes, he's very capable of hurting clem, and no, clementine couldn't beat him. He's a grown man and she's an 11 year old girl.
violence isn't a good thing. if there's an option other than violence you should take it, i'm no way a pacifist but solving everything with violence is just purely idiotic.
hhhaaaaa references
how do you know he was truthful? he wanted jane gone as much as jane wanted him gone, he probably would have accused her of lying just like when she told him it was an accident.
Saying shit like: I wont back down from you( im not scared of you) is also provoking
You didn't have to hurt Kenny.
Yeah, then i guess you dont want to meet me. And i mean clem is way smarter then him, and smaller so she can easily do stuff where he just hurts him self
It's her problem, she did a stupid thing, she practically asked for a fight, she pushed a man on the edge of insanity into a deep dark abyss, and this is how he reacts, you can't blame him.
And deserves a punch in the face and murder?
Hey, you made it back! You weren't active in arguments for a while.
Btw, I agree with you. The OP is acting kinda ridiculous.
A punch yeah, if someone irl say that to me they get punched too
Ugh I'm sorry but you don't know my Clementine/Lee or anyone else's Clementine/Lee. You're in no position to judge people and say what's right. Everyone plays their own damn game. My Lee would be proud that Clementine saved another person's life even if that meant putting Kenny down, so there's that.