If u cover Luke, Mike is the one trying to help you and bonnie saying you got to go, its the other way around if you help Luke.
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and so that makes the episode ''weak'', it was the best TWDG episode ever, season 1 and 2 combined, for many reasons :
-the story was ACTUA… moreLLY tailored by how we played ! with 5 endings
-there were backstory in this episode, in episode 3, people bitched about the hugs not being involved, in episode 4, people said ''we want backstory, we don't even know season 2 characters'', now what ?
-the fight before the endings was original, it was a nice way to end the storyline, with a really really hard choice ! one thing i didn't like about amid the ruins was that it was too much like around every corner, but no going back was so original
-the choices were soooooooooooooo hard..
-the ending where you go to wellington and leave kenny made me fucking cry, more than season 1's ending, far more than that...
-why was it better than no time left ? well, the episode has so much feelings, not only sadness, that's how we felt in no time left, only sadn… [view original content]
Hey, at least they also lost it all as far as I understood, right? So they're probably completely lost, in the middle of the woods, without food or supplies and with only one gun?
Edit: I take it back, just watched it again and they did steal the food -.-
I can totally understand why they ran away. Kenny was unstable, teetering on the edge, and he was dangerous. The thing I have issue with is … morethem stealing ALL of the supplies. They were killing AJ by doing that. They didn't even leave anything, they were taking it all.
I'm not even mad that they wanted to leave. I can even excuse that they took Arvo with them.
But stealing ALL supplies AND the truck? For real? They left a baby and a 11 year old girl to die, and they damn well knew it.
And arming Arvo was the most stupid thing they ever did in their lives.
And the worst of all: They just leave a (possibly) dying Clem because they are scared. Just wow. Great job.
And that logic: It's not ok to hold a little asshole prisoner that helped people he knew would react like they did, and to push him to the ground once, tie him up and beat him like five times, but it's totally ok to steal all supplies from a little girl and a baby in the ZA in winter, after the little asshole has shot the little girl in the shoulder fully on purpose.
But the baby doesn't eat the canned food. Remember Kenny got pissy about that, they did in fact leave the formula since they had no use for that still in the bottle.
I can totally understand why they ran away. Kenny was unstable, teetering on the edge, and he was dangerous. The thing I have issue with is … morethem stealing ALL of the supplies. They were killing AJ by doing that. They didn't even leave anything, they were taking it all.
But it's not their baby (also they didn't steal baby formula, the baby can't eat canned food, Kenny got pissy about that). Mike and Bonnie are great people but they are still surviving individuals. And Clem is always being dragged into Kenny and Jane's drama, who are both extremely dangerous to M&B. For all they know you're on Kenny's side and not theirs since you have been associated with Kenny for near 2 years now.
It may not have been right but they are justified. And My Clem was glad they escaped hence why i asked if Bonnie was alright after i woke up.
It was a big jump but we do see them deteriorate. Mike defended Arvo from Kenny so often and opted against Kenny's pushy "Your with me or not" demeanor.
Also Bonnie was suffering from a loss and she was extremely stressed and even offered a cigarette to Clem which she would have NEVER done before especially when she was so protective of her innocence.
Agreed, don't blame them for leaving but taking the supplies and the truck seemed out of character for them. Arvo especially, since even if … morehe did get repeated beatings, it doesn't seem like he would shoot anyone for funzies and just has a really passive demeanor.
However, the thievery and fuck everyone else not in on the plot is unforgivable. I do think the writers did too big of jump of moral leap on the characters given their behavior in previous episodes.
Mike and Bonnie were too vauge to really like or hate. They didn't really get much time to be developed. Obviously i definitely didn't like them when they tried to steal from and deserted Clementine and Kenny
They're great but they left Clem with a gunshot? I'd forgive them if they stayed to help her, I expected Mike to say screw the plan and stay to help Clem but he and Bonnie left a kid and baby they said they cared for with a bullet in her and ran with the guy whom shot her? I like them but they sealed dislike when Bonnie said "Mike, leave her" I forgave Bonnie for Carver fast but that? That's intentional betrayal
But it's not their baby (also they didn't steal baby formula, the baby can't eat canned food, Kenny got pissy about that). Mike and Bonnie a… morere great people but they are still surviving individuals. And Clem is always being dragged into Kenny and Jane's drama, who are both extremely dangerous to M&B. For all they know you're on Kenny's side and not theirs since you have been associated with Kenny for near 2 years now.
It may not have been right but they are justified. And My Clem was glad they escaped hence why i asked if Bonnie was alright after i woke up.
He felt bad for leaving Clem you know... Bonnie is the one you should hate cause she gets Luke killed in my playthrough and doesn't care about Clem being shot. Mike is still cool. I don't think they went with Arvo after that in my opinion.
You need to look at it from Mike/Bonnie/Arvo's point of view. Kenny was deranged in their eyes. A volatile temper, questionable sanity, impossible to cooperate with, needless bashing of Arvo. When it comes down to it, it's all about survival and looking out for number one, yourself. Arvo wanted to stay alive and lied to survive. While what they did wasn't right, I understand WHY they did it.
I had really liked Mike up to this point, and even Bonnie was doing OKish (I decided to try and save Luke so she was nice to me) but what th… moreey did really pissed me off to high hell. That truck belonged to kenny's imo, HE was the one who spent all his time trying to get it working while they sat around complaining about him, yet they were ready to steal the only form of transportation available and ALL the supplies, leaving a baby and an 11 yr old kid to the unknown. And helping Arvo? Okay, he may of not deserved the beatings he got from Kenny but come on, he had lied about his sick sister, ambushed the group and tried to run off, yet Bonnie and Mike helped his escape and even gave him a gun. Completely unacceptable, screw them.
Mike acting like that made no sense, why he aid Arvo? Cause he wanted peace? Then Arvo has a gun? I never liked Bonnie so her running off made sense to me...
I can understand them leaving.. But taking the truck and ALL the supplies is just unforgivable. And Mike doesn't even seem to give a shit when Clem gets shot?! Fuuuuuuck them, BIG TIME.
You need to look at it from Mike/Bonnie/Arvo's point of view. Kenny was deranged in their eyes. A volatile temper, questionable sanity, impo… moressible to cooperate with, needless bashing of Arvo. When it comes down to it, it's all about survival and looking out for number one, yourself. Arvo wanted to stay alive and lied to survive. While what they did wasn't right, I understand WHY they did it.
If it was a clean through and through, all they'd need to do was keep the wound clean and bandage it up. It wouldn't be ideal without supplies, but it would be possible. I saw a video not too long ago where a man got shot and didn't go to the hospital. The bullet worked itself out of his body a few months later and he was fine.
Nothing suggests Bonnie and Mike even left with Arvo, just that all three escaped on foot. And they couldn't help Clem after she was wounded because they were rightfully afraid that Kenny would try to murder them for endangering her. That's the whole reason they left; they were afraid of Kenny. And it's not like they could've carried Clem with them. How would they've treated a profusely bleeding child while running from Kenny?
They're great but they left Clem with a gunshot? I'd forgive them if they stayed to help her, I expected Mike to say screw the plan and stay… more to help Clem but he and Bonnie left a kid and baby they said they cared for with a bullet in her and ran with the guy whom shot her? I like them but they sealed dislike when Bonnie said "Mike, leave her" I forgave Bonnie for Carver fast but that? That's intentional betrayal
I loved him the most of all, he was just like Lee.
I at least expected him to help Clementine when that fucking piece of shit shot her though, heck, i even thought he'd beat the shit out of Arvo for it.
But no, he stood there and actually ran off while she was dying.
Let's just say that if i were to encounter the trio in Season 3 I wouldn't hestitate to kill Arvo and Bonnie, since Arvo is just a soulless asshole and Bonnie had the nerve to put Luke's death on Clementine even though she was dumb enough to still walk to him, besides she also abandoned Clem for death.
I wouldn't want to shoot mike though, I'd strip him of all his stuff and let him fend for himself, but i wouldn't ever give him a second chance though.
Lol I know right!? At least Bonnie was incredibly sorry. Mike was all screwed up and his only priority was getting away from Kenny but it still sucks. Remember that none of them knew Kenny "before" like Clem and they hardly had heartfelt conversations with him like we had. They only saw him at his worst. They had to leave ESPECIALLY after Clem got shot by Arvo. Kenny and Jane would have f***ed them up big time I guarantee. That would have driven Kenny over the brink of insanity and no one would survive haha.
I can understand them leaving.. But taking the truck and ALL the supplies is just unforgivable. And Mike doesn't even seem to give a shit when Clem gets shot?! Fuuuuuuck them, BIG TIME.
In your playthrough maybe?
Bonnie didn't want to leave me after I got shot so it really depends. Also why would they stay when Kenny's temper would have had them executed on the spot anyway?
They're great but they left Clem with a gunshot? I'd forgive them if they stayed to help her, I expected Mike to say screw the plan and stay… more to help Clem but he and Bonnie left a kid and baby they said they cared for with a bullet in her and ran with the guy whom shot her? I like them but they sealed dislike when Bonnie said "Mike, leave her" I forgave Bonnie for Carver fast but that? That's intentional betrayal
Fine, kenny is scary, but that was selfish to leave clem and the baby.
Hey remember when we all disagreed with luke's comment about mike in amod the ruins?
It was a big jump but we do see them deteriorate. Mike defended Arvo from Kenny so often and opted against Kenny's pushy "Your with me or no… moret" demeanor.
Also Bonnie was suffering from a loss and she was extremely stressed and even offered a cigarette to Clem which she would have NEVER done before especially when she was so protective of her innocence.
They'd be scared, but if Clem meant anything to them they would've stayed to help her no matter the threat of Kenny. I'm not saying they should've, just that it seems much harder to forgive them for that than any previous mistakes
Nothing suggests Bonnie and Mike even left with Arvo, just that all three escaped on foot. And they couldn't help Clem after she was wounded… more because they were rightfully afraid that Kenny would try to murder them for endangering her. That's the whole reason they left; they were afraid of Kenny. And it's not like they could've carried Clem with them. How would they've treated a profusely bleeding child while running from Kenny?
In your playthrough maybe?
Bonnie didn't want to leave me after I got shot so it really depends. Also why would they stay when Kenny's temper would have had them executed on the spot anyway?
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If u cover Luke, Mike is the one trying to help you and bonnie saying you got to go, its the other way around if you help Luke.
'' HOPE I CLEARED THIS UP '''' HOPE I CLEARED THIS UP '''' HOPE I CLEARED THIS UP '''' HOPE I CLEARED THIS UP ''
I'm pretty sure at some point he did ask her to leave with him. Or he asked her to stay with him and Sarita at the lodge.
I couldn't agree more
Hey, at least they also lost it all as far as I understood, right? So they're probably completely lost, in the middle of the woods, without food or supplies and with only one gun?
Edit: I take it back, just watched it again and they did steal the food -.-
I'm not even mad that they wanted to leave. I can even excuse that they took Arvo with them.
But stealing ALL supplies AND the truck? For real? They left a baby and a 11 year old girl to die, and they damn well knew it.
And arming Arvo was the most stupid thing they ever did in their lives.
And the worst of all: They just leave a (possibly) dying Clem because they are scared. Just wow. Great job.
And that logic: It's not ok to hold a little asshole prisoner that helped people he knew would react like they did, and to push him to the ground once, tie him up and beat him like five times, but it's totally ok to steal all supplies from a little girl and a baby in the ZA in winter, after the little asshole has shot the little girl in the shoulder fully on purpose.
Add another thousand really's to your statement...
and I still couldn't agree with you...
I guess I must be a forgiving sort of guy.
You REALLY must be forgiving...
But the baby doesn't eat the canned food. Remember Kenny got pissy about that, they did in fact leave the formula since they had no use for that still in the bottle.
But it's not their baby (also they didn't steal baby formula, the baby can't eat canned food, Kenny got pissy about that). Mike and Bonnie are great people but they are still surviving individuals. And Clem is always being dragged into Kenny and Jane's drama, who are both extremely dangerous to M&B. For all they know you're on Kenny's side and not theirs since you have been associated with Kenny for near 2 years now.
It may not have been right but they are justified. And My Clem was glad they escaped hence why i asked if Bonnie was alright after i woke up.
It was a big jump but we do see them deteriorate. Mike defended Arvo from Kenny so often and opted against Kenny's pushy "Your with me or not" demeanor.
Also Bonnie was suffering from a loss and she was extremely stressed and even offered a cigarette to Clem which she would have NEVER done before especially when she was so protective of her innocence.
Mike and Bonnie were too vauge to really like or hate. They didn't really get much time to be developed. Obviously i definitely didn't like them when they tried to steal from and deserted Clementine and Kenny
They're great but they left Clem with a gunshot? I'd forgive them if they stayed to help her, I expected Mike to say screw the plan and stay to help Clem but he and Bonnie left a kid and baby they said they cared for with a bullet in her and ran with the guy whom shot her? I like them but they sealed dislike when Bonnie said "Mike, leave her" I forgave Bonnie for Carver fast but that? That's intentional betrayal
Those 3 fuckers were Vernon's group of Season 2.
He felt bad for leaving Clem you know... Bonnie is the one you should hate cause she gets Luke killed in my playthrough and doesn't care about Clem being shot. Mike is still cool. I don't think they went with Arvo after that in my opinion.
You need to look at it from Mike/Bonnie/Arvo's point of view. Kenny was deranged in their eyes. A volatile temper, questionable sanity, impossible to cooperate with, needless bashing of Arvo. When it comes down to it, it's all about survival and looking out for number one, yourself. Arvo wanted to stay alive and lied to survive. While what they did wasn't right, I understand WHY they did it.
I understand why Mike/Bonnie left, I was going to let them go... Then Arvo shot me with a rifle, and somehow i magically survive.
Mike acting like that made no sense, why he aid Arvo? Cause he wanted peace? Then Arvo has a gun? I never liked Bonnie so her running off made sense to me...
I think she was shot in the shoulder. If the bullet went clean through it's an easily survivable wound even for a child.
I can understand them leaving.. But taking the truck and ALL the supplies is just unforgivable. And Mike doesn't even seem to give a shit when Clem gets shot?! Fuuuuuuck them, BIG TIME.
Right, because survive bullet wounds without medical treatment from Rifles all the time.
If it was a clean through and through, all they'd need to do was keep the wound clean and bandage it up. It wouldn't be ideal without supplies, but it would be possible. I saw a video not too long ago where a man got shot and didn't go to the hospital. The bullet worked itself out of his body a few months later and he was fine.
Nothing suggests Bonnie and Mike even left with Arvo, just that all three escaped on foot. And they couldn't help Clem after she was wounded because they were rightfully afraid that Kenny would try to murder them for endangering her. That's the whole reason they left; they were afraid of Kenny. And it's not like they could've carried Clem with them. How would they've treated a profusely bleeding child while running from Kenny?
Any MF's who side with them are gonna get a...
I loved him the most of all, he was just like Lee.
I at least expected him to help Clementine when that fucking piece of shit shot her though, heck, i even thought he'd beat the shit out of Arvo for it.
But no, he stood there and actually ran off while she was dying.
Let's just say that if i were to encounter the trio in Season 3 I wouldn't hestitate to kill Arvo and Bonnie, since Arvo is just a soulless asshole and Bonnie had the nerve to put Luke's death on Clementine even though she was dumb enough to still walk to him, besides she also abandoned Clem for death.
I wouldn't want to shoot mike though, I'd strip him of all his stuff and let him fend for himself, but i wouldn't ever give him a second chance though.
Lol I know right!? At least Bonnie was incredibly sorry. Mike was all screwed up and his only priority was getting away from Kenny but it still sucks. Remember that none of them knew Kenny "before" like Clem and they hardly had heartfelt conversations with him like we had. They only saw him at his worst. They had to leave ESPECIALLY after Clem got shot by Arvo. Kenny and Jane would have f***ed them up big time I guarantee. That would have driven Kenny over the brink of insanity and no one would survive haha.
In your playthrough maybe?
Bonnie didn't want to leave me after I got shot so it really depends. Also why would they stay when Kenny's temper would have had them executed on the spot anyway?
Interesting. In my game it was Mike who tried to help me and it was Bonnie who said "just leave her"
Fine, kenny is scary, but that was selfish to leave clem and the baby.
Hey remember when we all disagreed with luke's comment about mike in amod the ruins?
Weird... I covered luke and she still lived and Luke died.
Offered a cigarette? She fucking blamed me for Luke's death and walked away from me like I was a Leper!
They'd be scared, but if Clem meant anything to them they would've stayed to help her no matter the threat of Kenny. I'm not saying they should've, just that it seems much harder to forgive them for that than any previous mistakes
Ah, Bonnie went Kenny on me in mine. In my game although she was just venting I hope, she did tell Mike to leave Clem so she's no longer a friend