"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop and I hurt me to do it but I had to.
I was confident based on her character and her demeanor when she shut the door. It was obvious that she was still in control of her emotions. If she couldn't kill a grown man shooting at people she knew without getting emotional she certainly couldn't kill a baby without getting emotional.
You mean the enraged, shouting Kenny who wouldn't let Jane talk seemed like he was in a position to be reasonable to you? You must have Asperger-esque inability to recognize emotion in other people to not understand how far gone he was.
Uhh.. what? I never said that.
You don't know that he would not have listened to a legitimate clear excuse. Again, you're just assuming. … moreYet all you do is criticize Kenny for "assuming". Nice.. so ready to assume the worst with Kenny and yet you can't bring yourself to understand him assuming the worst in Jane. Sounds like your arguments are more biased than logical.
Rick Grimes would have killed Jane just as Kenny did, so I don't know why some folks act like Kenny had no right to what he did. What if Jane told Rick Grimes she killed Carl, what if she told Joel she killed Ellie, they would have killed Jane also. Kenny did what he had to, and I was with him every step of the way since season 1 episode 1 to the ending of season 2. I left Wellington with Kenny because he's family. A caring and loving man for Clementine and A.J. My Lee said he wanted Kenny to look after her, and Kenny is fulfilling that promise.
Just because he was enraged and shouting doesn't mean he would not have let her talk if she had something reasonable and coherent to say. Jane never did anything to put out the fire. She only added to it by refusing to explain her actions.
You're not interested in having an objective disscusion. You try and put reasoning behind your own assumptions but yet you refuse to do so for Kenny. Its clear that you are very biased. You're not doing a very good job of pushing your argument at all.
You mean the enraged, shouting Kenny who wouldn't let Jane talk seemed like he was in a position to be reasonable to you? You must have Asperger-esque inability to recognize emotion in other people to not understand how far gone he was.
Just because he was enraged and shouting doesn't mean he would not have let her talk if she had something reasonable and coherent to say. Ja… morene never did anything to put out the fire. She only added to it by refusing to explain her actions.
You're not interested in having an objective disscusion. You try and put reasoning behind your own assumptions but yet you refuse to do so for Kenny. Its clear that you are very biased. You're not doing a very good job of pushing your argument at all.
Well, even if she lied it just proved how unstable Kenny is. Is he just going to kill innocent people because ''it's their fault'' even though he doesn't even know that?
You can't say it was justified in that situation when he didn't even know if Jane ''killed'' the baby on purpose.
No sane person tricks a man on the verge of insanity into thinking "their" baby is dead, she practically asked for a beating, he knows abou… moret her past and how she abandons living beings to save her own sorry ass, and after coming back with no fucking baby she had to confess him it was a stupid trick if she didn't want to deserve the death she got.
Your post doesn't make any sense. Clem did NOT kill Sarita and Kenny still blames her, Kenny has used some violence against Clem and in no hell will Clem beat Kenny in a fight.
You family is greatful because you like to be violent and hit people when they don't agree with you? Well, then maybe you should be in the zombie apocalypse because you dont belong in the normal world.
Yes im like Kenny and im proud of it. I just protect my family and they gratefull, and violence is a good thing. And clem killed Sarita reme… morember? Did he hit her? He even apologized for it in ep 5 so dont think he can hurt clem, also i think clem will beat his ass in a smart way
I'm giving you clear reasoning for why Kenny acted the way that he did. You on the other hand, are contradicting yourself. You're saying Jane should be given the benefit of the doubt, but you will not do the same for Kenny, instead choosing to just assume that he was not willing to listen to reason. You're allowing bias to shape your arguments, and they do not hold any ground considering how contradictive they are.
And now you're content to just dish out insults and walk away from the conversation as if that saves your stance on the matter. A clear sign that you have a losing argument.
Hah you are so stupid i dont even want to answer, but hell i go for it. Kenny blames clem, same as he blames Jane, you see the difference in the reactions. And they greatfull i protect them, not that im violent
Your post doesn't make any sense. Clem did NOT kill Sarita and Kenny still blames her, Kenny has used some violence against Clem and in no h… moreell will Clem beat Kenny in a fight.
You family is greatful because you like to be violent and hit people when they don't agree with you? Well, then maybe you should be in the zombie apocalypse because you dont belong in the normal world.
Yeah, declare yourself the winner thus demonstrating your hypocrisy. This isn't going anywhere. You have your reasons and I have mine. If you think you're being unbiased you need to check your ego. End of communication.
I'm giving you clear reasoning for why Kenny acted the way that he did. You on the other hand, are contradicting yourself. You're saying Jan… moree should be given the benefit of the doubt, but you will not do the same for Kenny, instead choosing to just assume that he was not willing to listen to reason. You're allowing bias to shape your arguments, and they do not hold any ground considering how contradictive they are.
And now you're content to just dish out insults and walk away from the conversation as if that saves your stance on the matter. A clear sign that you have a losing argument.
Yeah, declare yourself the winner thus demonstrating your hypocrisy.
Nothing to do with hypocrisy. Like, not even a little. Wasn't even trying to declare myself "the winner". It was simply annoying that you chose to check out of the conversation because I took you up on your contradictive logic.
This isn't going anywhere.
Because you will only believe whatever you want to believe, no matter what arguments are brought to the table.
If you think you're being unbiased you need to check your ego.
I am not being biased at all, and there is nothing that points to otherwise. Sorry.
Yeah, declare yourself the winner thus demonstrating your hypocrisy. This isn't going anywhere. You have your reasons and I have mine. If you think you're being unbiased you need to check your ego. End of communication.
Kenny overreacted. i killed him without hesatation. i dont hate him, but... he was wrong.
of course i played both endings and if you dont shoot kenny he will be heroic. but anyway.... still went with jane
I shot Kenny because he did seem gone. I just didn't think he could come back from killing Jane. Kenny was and remains my favorite character after Lee and Clem and it sucked to shoot him, but I just got done reading the 40k book Betrayer and at some point in the game I realized that Kenny reminded me of Angron: a broken man consumed by rage and obsessed with his past losses.
Although, if there was a [shoot psychopathic, duplicitous bitch who provoked a sad, broken man to a murderous rage just so she could say "i told you so"] option, I would have taken that after.
I think its debatable whether he overreacted or not. I don't think he did, especially since Jane was purposly stringing him along and not explaining herself. Even if Kenny overreacted, I don't think he deserves to die just because he fell for Jane's agenda.
I don't know , was it mentioned here or not , but when Jane shows up and don't answer where is the kid , Kenny runs out to find him , and then Jane saying to Clementine :" You're going to see what he realy is" . What's that mean ? First : She tricks Kenny (don't forget what his been through) to prove her side, and second , and most important , she knew that Kenny would react like that ( because she lying to prove it ) , that means , that she knew that there will going to be a fight-to-death , that means she was ready to KILL Kenny just to prove how reckless he is to Clem.So that was equal fight. They both wanted to kill each other. But who's idea it was?Jane. Great idea . Provoke some folk , who had his hard-time all week , kill him , and to live happily with Clem.
My Lee would've said "you did what you had to do" or something lol.
I'm sorry to all the ppl that love Kenny and stuff i don't mean to offend you in any way since that's just a personal thing here but i was waiting for Kenny's death like since at least two episodes... i never liked him, he has always been very unsteady and jumpy. Hell even in season one no matter how hard you sticked with Kenny and defended him there was like one situation (i think it was when giving out the food) where he just behaved like a real arsehole like you never helped him and weren't a good friend or something idk...
In season two he was even more messed up, really creepy dude and i couldn't understand why they gave him the baby all the time. To me he has always been a danger to the group, hell he was the reason why Mike and the other two wanted to ran off so he basically is the reason Clem got shot. By his behavior he basically drove everybody insane. If it would've been up to me i'd have abandoned him like a while ago.
Ofc i won't say what Jane did was a good plan, hell it was a big pile of stinky trash but what else was she supposed to do? Clem seemed way too naive to get that Kenny was just one huge bomb waiting to explode (what is actually really hard after all the times he went off lol) and she didn't want to just walk away since she promised Clem she wouldn't abandon her again. So ye... she had to do something... and it turned out to be a bad plan... whatever. She prolly didn't want to get Kenny killed but hell she put her knife away (which imho indicated that she didn't want that fight) and he just jumped her. well... it's his own fault then...
And after i shot him he said it was the right decision so well i'm ok with it.
"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop an… mored I hurt me to do it but I had to.
Exactly. If Lee was alive, he woulda shot Kenny. So don't give us that "You are not being the Clementine that Lee knew you could be" bullshit
You think Lee, do you think anyone would be able to stop a insane Kenny and Jane with her knife. I know I wouldn't be able to do shit nor would I even physically try...
Just because he was enraged and shouting doesn't mean he would not have let her talk if she had something reasonable and coherent to say. Ja… morene never did anything to put out the fire. She only added to it by refusing to explain her actions.
You're not interested in having an objective disscusion. You try and put reasoning behind your own assumptions but yet you refuse to do so for Kenny. Its clear that you are very biased. You're not doing a very good job of pushing your argument at all.
I think at this stage she can live alone no problem. It's just AJ I was worried about, she has next to no experience. I couldn't make her pull the trigger on Kenny. I let the man live, and I stayed with him. I felt like nine days later, he may be okay. But some wounds may never heal.
To be honest, if Clementine was an adult, or at least older, I would have left both of them. But she isn't, and I don't trust her to survive… more alone. So I went with Jane, although I wish Luke, or Mike before he went OOC and left me were taking care of Clem instead.
Rick Grimes would have killed Jane just as Kenny did, so I don't know why some folks act like Kenny had no right to what he did. What if Jan… moree told Rick Grimes she killed Carl, what if she told Joel she killed Ellie, they would have killed Jane also. Kenny did what he had to, and I was with him every step of the way since season 1 episode 1 to the ending of season 2. I left Wellington with Kenny because he's family. A caring and loving man for Clementine and A.J. My Lee said he wanted Kenny to look after her, and Kenny is fulfilling that promise.
I think its debatable whether he overreacted or not. I don't think he did, especially since Jane was purposly stringing him along and not ex… moreplaining herself. Even if Kenny overreacted, I don't think he deserves to die just because he fell for Jane's agenda.
but in the end that fight showed me how fragile he was
* Cabin fuck ups come and ruin everything at the lodge, getting Walter and … moreMatthew killed
* Everyone gets caught by Carver
* Kenny gets a beating and loses an eye
* Kenny loses Sarita
* Kenny or anyone from his group could have died at the shootout, hence why he was so angry at Arvo
* Kenny makes peace with Luke but Luke literally dies the next day thanks to Arvo
* Kenny is driving through the snow in desperation after being betrayed by Bonnie and Mike and seeing Clem get shot, all while some dumb piece of shit woman is talking shit to him and his dead family
* Kenny is devastated after the fake baby death
All of this happened within a week. ANYONE who went through the same shit would have snapped at Jane.
Everyone who doubted Kenny ended up dead anyways lol
and I couldn't let it go on.
good thing sparing Kenny showed that he ended up being all okay
I can understand both points of view after reading several pro Jane and pro Kenny threads, however, I stand by my original decision in my first play through to let Kenny kill her. Even though I wasn't sure if the baby was alive or not, the fact that she didn't try to explain herself accident or not and shoved Clem out of the way to continue attacking Kenny (When you get between them), it was pretty clear she just wanted Kenny dead.
That AJ was still live afterwards made me sick to my stomach, and I instantly felt no remorse for what happened. If I had shot Kenny I would have gotten the Alone ending. There's no way I would have forgiven her. And I would have been a disaster emotionally.
My Lee would've said "you did what you had to do" or something lol.
I'm sorry to all the ppl that love Kenny and stuff i don't mean to of… morefend you in any way since that's just a personal thing here but i was waiting for Kenny's death like since at least two episodes... i never liked him, he has always been very unsteady and jumpy. Hell even in season one no matter how hard you sticked with Kenny and defended him there was like one situation (i think it was when giving out the food) where he just behaved like a real arsehole like you never helped him and weren't a good friend or something idk...
In season two he was even more messed up, really creepy dude and i couldn't understand why they gave him the baby all the time. To me he has always been a danger to the group, hell he was the reason why Mike and the other two wanted to ran off so he basically is the reason Clem got shot. By his behavior he basically drove everybody insane. If it w… [view original content]
but in the end that fight showed me how fragile he was
* Cabin fuck ups come and ruin everything at the lodge, getting Walter and … moreMatthew killed
* Everyone gets caught by Carver
* Kenny gets a beating and loses an eye
* Kenny loses Sarita
* Kenny or anyone from his group could have died at the shootout, hence why he was so angry at Arvo
* Kenny makes peace with Luke but Luke literally dies the next day thanks to Arvo
* Kenny is driving through the snow in desperation after being betrayed by Bonnie and Mike and seeing Clem get shot, all while some dumb piece of shit woman is talking shit to him and his dead family
* Kenny is devastated after the fake baby death
All of this happened within a week. ANYONE who went through the same shit would have snapped at Jane.
Everyone who doubted Kenny ended up dead anyways lol
and I couldn't let it go on.
good thing sparing Kenny showed that he ended up being all okay
I got the neutral ending with Clem and AJ depending on if Clem shoots Kenny and leaves Jane. Or if you let Kenny kill Jane and and then shoot Kenny on my first play through. On my 2nd play through I'll see if I should get the Jane ending or Kenny ending. Great finale! Wonder how Season 3 will be. Anyone know WTF happened to Christa? Do you think she'll be in Season 3 or is she dead?
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Exactly. If Lee was alive, he woulda shot Kenny. So don't give us that "You are not being the Clementine that Lee knew you could be" bullshit
I was confident based on her character and her demeanor when she shut the door. It was obvious that she was still in control of her emotions. If she couldn't kill a grown man shooting at people she knew without getting emotional she certainly couldn't kill a baby without getting emotional.
You mean the enraged, shouting Kenny who wouldn't let Jane talk seemed like he was in a position to be reasonable to you? You must have Asperger-esque inability to recognize emotion in other people to not understand how far gone he was.
Rick Grimes would have killed Jane just as Kenny did, so I don't know why some folks act like Kenny had no right to what he did. What if Jane told Rick Grimes she killed Carl, what if she told Joel she killed Ellie, they would have killed Jane also. Kenny did what he had to, and I was with him every step of the way since season 1 episode 1 to the ending of season 2. I left Wellington with Kenny because he's family. A caring and loving man for Clementine and A.J. My Lee said he wanted Kenny to look after her, and Kenny is fulfilling that promise.
Just because he was enraged and shouting doesn't mean he would not have let her talk if she had something reasonable and coherent to say. Jane never did anything to put out the fire. She only added to it by refusing to explain her actions.
You're not interested in having an objective disscusion. You try and put reasoning behind your own assumptions but yet you refuse to do so for Kenny. Its clear that you are very biased. You're not doing a very good job of pushing your argument at all.
Pot, I've got the Kettle on the other line for you...
Well, even if she lied it just proved how unstable Kenny is. Is he just going to kill innocent people because ''it's their fault'' even though he doesn't even know that?
You can't say it was justified in that situation when he didn't even know if Jane ''killed'' the baby on purpose.
Your post doesn't make any sense. Clem did NOT kill Sarita and Kenny still blames her, Kenny has used some violence against Clem and in no hell will Clem beat Kenny in a fight.
You family is greatful because you like to be violent and hit people when they don't agree with you? Well, then maybe you should be in the zombie apocalypse because you dont belong in the normal world.
I'm giving you clear reasoning for why Kenny acted the way that he did. You on the other hand, are contradicting yourself. You're saying Jane should be given the benefit of the doubt, but you will not do the same for Kenny, instead choosing to just assume that he was not willing to listen to reason. You're allowing bias to shape your arguments, and they do not hold any ground considering how contradictive they are.
And now you're content to just dish out insults and walk away from the conversation as if that saves your stance on the matter. A clear sign that you have a losing argument.
I shot Kenny but when I foundout the truth I quit and saved Kenny and stayed with him
yeah just the time when clem e was dying in the lake when your precious kenny was beating the shit out of Arvo instead of saving clem.....
Hah you are so stupid i dont even want to answer, but hell i go for it. Kenny blames clem, same as he blames Jane, you see the difference in the reactions. And they greatfull i protect them, not that im violent
Yeah, declare yourself the winner thus demonstrating your hypocrisy. This isn't going anywhere. You have your reasons and I have mine. If you think you're being unbiased you need to check your ego. End of communication.
Nothing to do with hypocrisy. Like, not even a little. Wasn't even trying to declare myself "the winner". It was simply annoying that you chose to check out of the conversation because I took you up on your contradictive logic.
Because you will only believe whatever you want to believe, no matter what arguments are brought to the table.
I am not being biased at all, and there is nothing that points to otherwise. Sorry.
Kenny overreacted. i killed him without hesatation. i dont hate him, but... he was wrong.
of course i played both endings and if you dont shoot kenny he will be heroic. but anyway.... still went with jane
REMEMBER: Jane even saved kennys life at the beginning.
i know kenny saved clems life also. but still...
what do you mean? I killed Kenny and MY lee would be proud of her. Just because your Lee wouldn't be proud of my Clementine doesn't mean anything
I shot Kenny because he did seem gone. I just didn't think he could come back from killing Jane. Kenny was and remains my favorite character after Lee and Clem and it sucked to shoot him, but I just got done reading the 40k book Betrayer and at some point in the game I realized that Kenny reminded me of Angron: a broken man consumed by rage and obsessed with his past losses.
Although, if there was a [shoot psychopathic, duplicitous bitch who provoked a sad, broken man to a murderous rage just so she could say "i told you so"] option, I would have taken that after.
I think its debatable whether he overreacted or not. I don't think he did, especially since Jane was purposly stringing him along and not explaining herself. Even if Kenny overreacted, I don't think he deserves to die just because he fell for Jane's agenda.
I don't know , was it mentioned here or not , but when Jane shows up and don't answer where is the kid , Kenny runs out to find him , and then Jane saying to Clementine :" You're going to see what he realy is" . What's that mean ? First : She tricks Kenny (don't forget what his been through) to prove her side, and second , and most important , she knew that Kenny would react like that ( because she lying to prove it ) , that means , that she knew that there will going to be a fight-to-death , that means she was ready to KILL Kenny just to prove how reckless he is to Clem.So that was equal fight. They both wanted to kill each other. But who's idea it was?Jane. Great idea . Provoke some folk , who had his hard-time all week , kill him , and to live happily with Clem.
My Lee would've said "you did what you had to do" or something lol.
I'm sorry to all the ppl that love Kenny and stuff i don't mean to offend you in any way since that's just a personal thing here but i was waiting for Kenny's death like since at least two episodes... i never liked him, he has always been very unsteady and jumpy. Hell even in season one no matter how hard you sticked with Kenny and defended him there was like one situation (i think it was when giving out the food) where he just behaved like a real arsehole like you never helped him and weren't a good friend or something idk...
In season two he was even more messed up, really creepy dude and i couldn't understand why they gave him the baby all the time. To me he has always been a danger to the group, hell he was the reason why Mike and the other two wanted to ran off so he basically is the reason Clem got shot. By his behavior he basically drove everybody insane. If it would've been up to me i'd have abandoned him like a while ago.
Ofc i won't say what Jane did was a good plan, hell it was a big pile of stinky trash but what else was she supposed to do? Clem seemed way too naive to get that Kenny was just one huge bomb waiting to explode (what is actually really hard after all the times he went off lol) and she didn't want to just walk away since she promised Clem she wouldn't abandon her again. So ye... she had to do something... and it turned out to be a bad plan... whatever. She prolly didn't want to get Kenny killed but hell she put her knife away (which imho indicated that she didn't want that fight) and he just jumped her. well... it's his own fault then...
And after i shot him he said it was the right decision so well i'm ok with it.
now hate on me if you want i don't mind
Um...love kenny.. not Jane
Besides... If Lee was alive.. He would have had the strength to separate them.. and no one would have died.
You think Lee, do you think anyone would be able to stop a insane Kenny and Jane with her knife. I know I wouldn't be able to do shit nor would I even physically try...
Enraged and shouting is understandable yes. Punching her before asking questions or letting her speak was not.
I think at this stage she can live alone no problem. It's just AJ I was worried about, she has next to no experience. I couldn't make her pull the trigger on Kenny. I let the man live, and I stayed with him. I felt like nine days later, he may be okay. But some wounds may never heal.
DAMN i hope I don't have to pay for that.
He felt remorse over it. Kenny did not.
Show me the dialogue were Jane said she killed the baby. Because I do recall she said "I didn't kill him. It was an accident Kenny."
I don't think he deserved to die either. I was hoping for a warning shot, a grazing shot, something to stop him not kill him.
Do not preach me with Lee. Because Lee is me.
Really? lol. I just said nope not a chance and took off.
I think sparing him and going into Wellington is a better option than that. At least he knows that you and the baby are safe that way.
u know the rest of the group going through hard stuff too? Just because we didnt see them doesnt mean it doesnt count.
I toatally agree with u
I can understand both points of view after reading several pro Jane and pro Kenny threads, however, I stand by my original decision in my first play through to let Kenny kill her. Even though I wasn't sure if the baby was alive or not, the fact that she didn't try to explain herself accident or not and shoved Clem out of the way to continue attacking Kenny (When you get between them), it was pretty clear she just wanted Kenny dead.
That AJ was still live afterwards made me sick to my stomach, and I instantly felt no remorse for what happened. If I had shot Kenny I would have gotten the Alone ending. There's no way I would have forgiven her. And I would have been a disaster emotionally.
Well I thank u for having my opinion
Well... If you shot kenny, he says you made the right choice...
I got the neutral ending with Clem and AJ depending on if Clem shoots Kenny and leaves Jane. Or if you let Kenny kill Jane and and then shoot Kenny on my first play through. On my 2nd play through I'll see if I should get the Jane ending or Kenny ending. Great finale! Wonder how Season 3 will be. Anyone know WTF happened to Christa? Do you think she'll be in Season 3 or is she dead?
Lee did the same thing, he killed a guy for sleeping with his wife but no one yells at him for that.
Yep.
Well, at least he won't outshine people in Season 3, that's for sure!
So you want your clem to be a cold blooded murderer. That's nice.