Why didn't **** tell **** that **** was alive?
English isn't my native language, so i'll go straight to the point. Why didn't Jane tell Kenny that the baby was alive when he had that knife pressed to her chest? I mean, she did that to prove her point, but having proven a point when you're dead isn't of much use.
Kenny would've probably let her live if she said that. Sure, Kenny and Clementine probably wouldn't let her come along, but at least she would be alive.
Plus, if Clementine hadn't heard the baby crying after letting Kenny kill Jane, they would probably have left it for dead, so yeah, dying without telling anyone about the baby was actually alive was either a complete bitch move, or something Telltale omitted for the sake of storytelling. Thoughts, anyone?
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She wanted to make clementine kill her friend..F*ckin' psycho..
Nope. If you save her, Jane tells you that she just wanted to show that Kenny was a threat, but she didn't expect it to go down the way it went. And even if she did, Jane had no guarantee that Clementine would shoot his friend to save her.
No more of a psycho than Kenny.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if AJ is also a psycho...
She wanted to show clementine who Kenny really was.
She may have wanted to die knowing she corrupted Kenny and Clementine. She was always rather selfish, and as it seemed like there was no hope for the 3 of them she just wanted to drag them all down with her. She lost her humanity more so than Kenny, I think.
By making him think the baby was dead? When she was about to be killed, all she had to say was "The baby is alive!". Kenny didn't have to die. Jane just wanted Clementine on her side.
What if clem did something really wrong that mad him go off, but on clem? Clem would be in danger from him. Jane was trying to tell clem that. That Kenny is dangerous.
Yep. The key here is how Kenny reacted. He tried to murder Jane and did not hear her out.
Well, Carver was pretty crazy.. Rebecca cheated on her husband.
So yeah.. parents are psycho's..
She was basically poking a bear that had lost its mate and cubs with a spear, repeatedly, just to prove a point. Not worth the risk, IMO. I would've been fine with both of them living.
That's a very... unusual theory.
"We're all gonna die, Clementine. Let me drag you down with me."
Rebecca was heavily implied to be raped...
But as far as I'm concerned, AJ's gonna be a damaged but still human individual. Even Kenny and Jane at their worst would probably have been better influences than Carver...
EDIT: Sorry, I just realized that what I said was kind of off-topic.
Anyway, I don't think Jane should have lied in the first place.
I don't know why everyone hates on Jane so much. She went out of her way to save Luke, Sarah, Clementine, Rebecca, and even Kenny. That's far from being selfish. She was a lone wolf, yeah, but not selfish.
"If things start heading south, let them drag you down with us."
To be honest it's more likely her intent was just to make Clem kill Kenny so that she knew Clem had it in her. That way she knew that Clementine would share her values; to stick out for yourself first. In my opinion that's a far worse outcome for Clem. I wanted her to be a pacifist, and Kenny had a much better plan anyway. On my playthrough Kenny sacrificed himself to leave Clem and AJ at Wellington, which is rather noble and a great redemption for his character, I feel.
Anyway to reiterate my previous point, the fact that she even wanted Kenny to betray her in the first place by bluffing about AJ shows that she lost her humanity, regardless of her intentions for Clem to kill Kenny (or not). It's a very good scene because we never really know what Jane wanted, I feel. And this ambiguity surrounding her can be seen with her actions in episode 3 (being an outsider to the group) and episode 4 (leaving). She's a very complex character, and her complexity was more of a threat to Clementine far more than Kenny's violent behaviour. He just wanted Clementine to be ok!
(I may have derailed a little too much here)
And that is literally what she does!
While I'm not at all happy about Clementine being with Jane, you at least get the option of tempering her inhumane urges by putting your trust in strangers. In my opinion, having Clem stick it out with Kenny isn't at all a happy ending - it's just a continuation of Kenny's constant cycle of madness, and in fact Clementine herself has broken into believing they both need each other.
Right, the woman who was horrified that she had to kill the Russian man who was trying to murder everybody was completely okay with forcing Clem to murder Kenny. That seems consistent. Besides, Jane gets her start of redemption in her ending as well if you let the family in. You can see that she's opening up to people again when Patricia hugs her.
And it's great that Kenny cares so much about Clem and all, but what's not so great is his blatant disregard and apathy towards anyone whose name isn't Clem or AJ. And as someone who cared about everyone in the group, I did not agree with that attitude.
Anyways, I don't think you really derailed there, since you were just discussing why you thought Jane lied. Completely on topic
she wanted to take clementine with only HER and leave kenny behind
Jane seemed very reluctant to let the family in, and I inferred from this that she yet again loses faith in Clementine's judgement. She complained about a lack of food, and after another family arrived I'd bet that she'd run off with it all. Maybe not. But hey, I like to think I made a good choice to keep Kenny alive. The game was so damn depressing that I feel like I finally gave Clem a break at the end by having her go to Wellington, even if it isn't safe there forever. Regardless of the ethical dilemma, Jane's plan was so much riskier.
To be fair, Jane apparently decides to let the family in on her own if Clem doesn't make a choice.
Didn't know that. Very interesting.
Apparently Jane decides to let the family in on her own if Clem doesn't choose, so things looked pretty hopeful for Jane regaining some humanity. And I was actually pretty disturbed by how Clem bursts into tears in the Wellington ending. We've seen her in much worse situations (getting separated from Christa, being abandoned in the herd), and she didn't react like that at all before. The tears just came out of nowhere considering her previous portrayal, and I was afraid that something may have broke in Clem (or it was just bad, inconsistent writing).
It was implied that Rebecca cheated on Alvin with Carver but looking back on it, she regrets doing it or at least that's what I thought....
How was it heavily implied that she was raped? Can you actually give examples? If she was raped, why was she on a first name basis with him? Bill? Instead of Carver like everyone else? That's just assumptions. There's already been a thread about this, she was not raped.
We will have to see how AJ turns out really, in season 3. No one can say until we see. Not every child turns out like their parents. I am nothing like either of my parents. So assumptions are stupid.
I think her core values were selfish. I wanted Clementine to look out for the group first, and because of this I just couldn't get behind Jane. I see the irony here because letting Kenny kill Jane isn't exactly looking out for the group, which is part of what makes it such a good scene I think, but does it really mean that Clementine is looking out for the group if she killed Kenny? Honestly, if Jane instead killed Kenny first, I would've gone with that option. I just didn't want Clementine to kill anyone.
You do have a point, for me though I empathised with her emotions at Wellington because Kenny was literally all she had left at that point. From Clem's perspective, it could have looked like Kenny was saving her from a sociopath. Maybe all the bad things that happened to her came to her mind in that moment, and she was filled with regret not just for Kenny, but for everyone she lost.
That actually makes me feel a little better about her. It shows that while she does need Clem, she can still choose on her own to do the right thing.
Seems like if their name isn't Kenny, people only remember a character's actions in the most recent episode.
Doesn't matter how many lives Jane saved before, she's a heartless bitch who doesn't care about anyone. Doesn't matter how cool and helpful and humane Bonnie and Mike were, they're selfish monsters now. Doesn't matter how immature and petty Luke was last episode, now he's a cool dude (I liked Luke all throughout the season, btw).