I genuinely feel sorry for you. I've never felt sorry for someone on the forum before as I don't know them, but I pity a life where your role model is an actual murderer.
It was like killing his son.If I was Kenny's position I'd do the same..When I saw jane without AJ,I thought she left him for the walkers so she can escape
I was confident based on her character and her demeanor when she shut the door. It was obvious that she was still in control of her emotions… more. If she couldn't kill a grown man shooting at people she knew without getting emotional she certainly couldn't kill a baby without getting emotional.
I think its debatable whether he overreacted or not. I don't think he did, especially since Jane was purposly stringing him along and not ex… moreplaining herself. Even if Kenny overreacted, I don't think he deserves to die just because he fell for Jane's agenda.
Honestly,I felt through that playthrough that Jane was trying to help Clem and care for Clem (Clem=me) but in the end deceived Clem into killing Kenny (Clem's bestfriend) which really pissed me off and I'm considering into replaying my episode thoughts?
He thought it was bullshit, he even says it.
He didn't trust jane, he "knew" for sure that she "killed" the baby, that's why he did what he did.
Kenny is not a psycopath, did you even saw his ending Flog ?
Kenny could easily have ended it after she put away her knife.
I 100% think she put her knife away so Kenny would feel safer to attack her. Otherwise putting the knife away was pointless to what she was trying to accomplish in the first place. Otherwise she would be like: "Uhh... soo... yeah.... by the way the baby isn't actually dead. I just hid him away all alone in a truck just to piss you off as bad as I could. I guess you're harder to manipulate than I thought.."
He threw the first punch. And she put away her knife, and was then attacked again.
Yeah, he threw the first punch. That does not mean he was trying to kill her though. The worst thing he did before she went to kill mode was pinning her against the wall (like he did to Mike in Episode Three). She then smashed him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground, and proceeded to leap on him and attempted to land several blows to his face. He eventually got away though, and Jane immediately went for her knife. As he took a step towards her, she went for the kill with a slash. It only grazed him, but it was enough to cause him to retreat out of the building. Jane then rushed after him and continued to pursue him with the knife even though he was backing away. She then lunged and slashed at him with the knife two times.. even though Kenny was doing nothing but backing away. She was clearly trying to end him.
its the truth, i dont understand how can you shoot him because this is normal behaviour! I got the same temper as Kenny irl, and i know its normal so shh
She was trying to prove that Kenny would attack her if she accidentally lost the baby. She succeeded.
Saying she clearly put her knife away to goad Kenny into attacking her is a bit sketchy. Surely she would just taunt him and keep her weapon out?
And the whole point is he ISN'T harder to manipulate than she thought. Everything she was trying to prove she succeeded in proving, like it or not.
Jane was trying to end him after Kenny attacked her when she put away her knife.
And she wasn't trying to end him actually, because that makes no sense in the context of her hoax. She wants to prove to clem that they can justifiably not continue with Kenny. What's the point in murdering him if that was her goal? That doesn't add up.
They were both trying to end each other by the time the fight got crazy, yes. But from what we know about what Jane was trying to prove, it doesn't make sense that she was specifically trying to kill him when she came up with the hoax idea.
She only goes properly crazy at him after he attacks her after she puts her weapon away, thinking that this should show Clem what he really was. She wasn't expecting Kenny to attack her further, so she went full brutal mode and they both try to off each other.
But again, her going into the fight in the first place in order to kill Kenny doesn't make any kind of sense with the evidence we have, so is thus unlikely.
Kenny could easily have ended it after she put away her knife.
I 100% think she put her knife away so Kenny would feel safer to atta… moreck her. Otherwise putting the knife away was pointless to what she was trying to accomplish in the first place. Otherwise she would be like: "Uhh... soo... yeah.... by the way the baby isn't actually dead. I just hid him away all alone in a truck just to piss you off as bad as I could. I guess you're harder to manipulate than I thought.."
He threw the first punch. And she put away her knife, and was then attacked again.
Yeah, he threw the first punch. That does not mean he was trying to kill her though. The worst thing he did before she went to kill mode was pinning her against the wall (like he did to Mike in Episode Three). She then smashed him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground, and proceeded to leap on him and attempted to land several blows to his face. He eventually … [view original content]
About the first punch thing, I should point out that Kenny threatens to murder Jane before she even stabs him or does anything remotely life threatening, and I really doubt he was making empty threats. He was fighting to kill, and for no justifiable reason.
As for the theory that Jane planned all along to murder Kenny, I completely agree that it doesn't make any sense.
"I know! I will provoke Kenny into attacking me by telling him that AJ died, despite the fact that I have no reason to believe that he would consider accidental death a substantial reason to outright murder someone. I will then put away my weapon and try to explain my case in order to further goad Kenny into killing me so that I in turn will be justified in murdering him. I will execute this convoluted plan even though it would be much simpler to just slit Kenny's throat when Clem wasn't looking and throw his body to some walkers to get rid of the evidence."
Like, what? I think Jane's plan was pretty dumb considering how unstable Kenny was at the time, but why the hell would she have wanted to kill Kenny from the start? She said herself that her plan was only to talk Clem into leaving once they saw how crazy he would become. If she was so desperate to murder Kenny that she would be willing to start a direct fight with him, surely she would've been smart enough to kill him in a more discrete and safer way?
She was trying to prove that Kenny would attack her if she accidentally lost the baby. She succeeded.
Saying she clearly put her knife aw… moreay to goad Kenny into attacking her is a bit sketchy. Surely she would just taunt him and keep her weapon out?
And the whole point is he ISN'T harder to manipulate than she thought. Everything she was trying to prove she succeeded in proving, like it or not.
Jane was trying to end him after Kenny attacked her when she put away her knife.
And she wasn't trying to end him actually, because that makes no sense in the context of her hoax. She wants to prove to clem that they can justifiably not continue with Kenny. What's the point in murdering him if that was her goal? That doesn't add up.
They were both trying to end each other by the time the fight got crazy, yes. But from what we know about what Jane was trying to prove, it doesn't make sense that she was specifically trying to kill him when s… [view original content]
I think it's pretty important that Mike, a tough guy who's been established to be sweet and reasonable, is the one who thinks Kenny went way too far with mistreating Arvo and eventually decided to escape with him.
A person is nice when he's nice to everyone, not just to AJ and Clementine.
Kenny lost his mind, he says it himself after he stabs Jane, th… moreat's a FACT.
Arvo hated Clem because she shot Natasha (he didn't see her turns) and be beaten up by Kenny for apperently no valid reason hadn't help.
I still like Kenny though, I'm sure he can change with some help (I went for the Kenny/Leave Wellington with Kenny ending) but I can't justify him for what he's done. And I really can't get why some people do.
Because we never directly see it, and the whole game is centered around his redemption at the hands of Clementine. Similarly, Kenny is redeemed by Season 2 no matter how he is sent off - whether it is finally accepting his monstrousness and allowing himself to be put down, delivering Clementine to the promised land, or living happily ever after with her.
That is, if you haven't already picked up on the whole second season presenting him as a volatile, abusive mess on the same path of madness as Carver. Having Clementine remain with him is probably the scariest ending in my opinion, second only to sticking with Jane and giving into her inhumanity.
I think though Lee would do the same thing if Clem died because of someone else, so I don't blame him for beating her up, but he didn't have to kill her.
Because we never directly see it, and the whole game is centered around his redemption at the hands of Clementine. Similarly, Kenny is rede… moreemed by Season 2 no matter how he is sent off - whether it is finally accepting his monstrousness and allowing himself to be put down, delivering Clementine to the promised land, or living happily ever after with her.
That is, if you haven't already picked up on the whole second season presenting him as a volatile, abusive mess on the same path of madness as Carver. Having Clementine remain with him is probably the scariest ending in my opinion, second only to sticking with Jane and giving into her inhumanity.
"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop and I hurt me to do it but I had to.
About the first punch thing, I should point out that Kenny threatens to murder Jane before she even stabs him or does anything remotely life threatening, and I really doubt he was making empty threats.
I have gone back and looked at that scene many times. He never threatens to kill her until she draws a knife on him and goes for the kill herself.
If I'm mistaken here, could you please show otherwise?
He was fighting to kill, and for no justifiable reason.
No justifiable reason? First of all, I realllly don't think he was originally fighting to kill. We can see that from his actions at the start of the fight. He was being violent, but he wasn't doing anything murderous. The worst thing he did was pin her to the wall.. exactly like what he did to Mike back in episode three. You wouldn't argue that he was trying to kill Mike... would you...? Second of all, the violence was kind of justifiable considering she purposely tricked him into believing that she had killed "his" baby. I feel like the vast majority of people would flip out in that situation. I'm sure Rebecca would have reacted in the same way.
As for the theory that Jane planned all along to murder Kenny, I completely agree that it doesn't make any sense.
I never said that. I have only said that she was planning on removing him from the group. In her mind, If that escalated into having to kill him, so be it.
About the first punch thing, I should point out that Kenny threatens to murder Jane before she even stabs him or does anything remotely life… more threatening, and I really doubt he was making empty threats. He was fighting to kill, and for no justifiable reason.
As for the theory that Jane planned all along to murder Kenny, I completely agree that it doesn't make any sense.
"I know! I will provoke Kenny into attacking me by telling him that AJ died, despite the fact that I have no reason to believe that he would consider accidental death a substantial reason to outright murder someone. I will then put away my weapon and try to explain my case in order to further goad Kenny into killing me so that I in turn will be justified in murdering him. I will execute this convoluted plan even though it would be much simpler to just slit Kenny's throat when Clem wasn't looking and throw his body to some walkers to get rid of the evidence."
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She was trying to prove that Kenny would attack her if she accidentally lost the baby. She succeeded.
Yes, she succeeded. Does that actually paint Kenny in a bad light though? You don't screw around with that kind of thing. She was intentionally being shady about it in order to bring out the worst in Kenny. Heck, that kind of thing would bring out the worst in anyone. It would be one thing if she tried to actually explain herself, but she didn't, because that would have been counter productive towards her agenda. At any time during the fight, she could have stopped and told Kenny she had the baby in the car.
Jane was trying to end him after Kenny attacked her when she put away her knife.
Okay, but Kenny did not start out trying to kill her. That is all I was saying. Jane was the one who escalated the situation to that point.
And she wasn't trying to end him actually, because that makes no sense in the context of her hoax. She wants to prove to clem that they can justifiably not continue with Kenny. What's the point in murdering him if that was her goal? That doesn't add up.
She slashed him across the stomach with a knife. If Kenny had been slightly closer, his stomach would have been split open. She then stabs and slashes at him multiple times. If any of those attacks would have connected, he could easily have died.
They were both trying to end each other by the time the fight got crazy, yes. But from what we know about what Jane was trying to prove, it doesn't make sense that she was specifically trying to kill him when she came up with the hoax idea.
How does it not? She was simply trying to get rid of him. Killing him accomplishes that, even if that isn't exactly what she originally set out to do. It didn't really matter as long as she got rid of him and had a reason to give Clem.
She only goes properly crazy at him after he attacks her after she puts her weapon away, thinking that this should show Clem what he really was. She wasn't expecting Kenny to attack her further, so she went full brutal mode and they both try to off each other.
Like I said before, it makes more sense to think that she wanted Kenny to attack her after she put the knife away. Otherwise everything was pointless. She didn't get much of a reaction out of him at that point, besides accusations and a missed punch attempt. If she would have conceded that she had the baby in the truck the whole time, she would have just looked stupid. She needed a better reaction.
I don't blame Kenny for matching her intensity when she was the one who escalated the situation in the first place. He was fighting for his life at that point. Even after he retreated out of the building, Jane ran after him with a knife and tried to kill him mid-retreat.
But again, her going into the fight in the first place in order to kill Kenny doesn't make any kind of sense with the evidence we have, so is thus unlikely.
Never said she went into the fight to specifically kill Kenny.
She was trying to prove that Kenny would attack her if she accidentally lost the baby. She succeeded.
Saying she clearly put her knife aw… moreay to goad Kenny into attacking her is a bit sketchy. Surely she would just taunt him and keep her weapon out?
And the whole point is he ISN'T harder to manipulate than she thought. Everything she was trying to prove she succeeded in proving, like it or not.
Jane was trying to end him after Kenny attacked her when she put away her knife.
And she wasn't trying to end him actually, because that makes no sense in the context of her hoax. She wants to prove to clem that they can justifiably not continue with Kenny. What's the point in murdering him if that was her goal? That doesn't add up.
They were both trying to end each other by the time the fight got crazy, yes. But from what we know about what Jane was trying to prove, it doesn't make sense that she was specifically trying to kill him when s… [view original content]
He tells her "You're fuckin' DEAD!" after Jane frees herself from the hold and starts punching him, and before she draws her knife. I guess that could've been an empty threat, but I seriously doubt it. He said the same thing to Ben and was clearly okay with letting him die, and that was before Season 2 happened.
I doubt any rational person would've reacted to what the person claimed as accidental death with outright murder. Jane never even says she killed AJ, just that he died and that it was an accident. Kenny can get Alvin accidentally killed and yet Rebecca didn't react by flying into a murderous rage at him, despite clearly holding him responsible. I don't know, maybe she would've tried to kill someone if she had lost her baby instead of her husband?
That last part about Jane planning to kill Kenny wasn't necessarily directed at you, but there are people who accuse Jane of just that, which is absurd.
About the first punch thing, I should point out that Kenny threatens to murder Jane before she even stabs him or does anything remotely life… more threatening, and I really doubt he was making empty threats.
I have gone back and looked at that scene many times. He never threatens to kill her until she draws a knife on him and goes for the kill herself.
If I'm mistaken here, could you please show otherwise?
He was fighting to kill, and for no justifiable reason.
No justifiable reason? First of all, I realllly don't think he was originally fighting to kill. We can see that from his actions at the start of the fight. He was being violent, but he wasn't doing anything murderous. The worst thing he did was pin her to the wall.. exactly like what he did to Mike back in episode three. You wouldn't argue that he was trying to kill Mike... would you...? Second of all, the violence was kind of justifiable considering she purposely tr… [view original content]
He tells her "You're fuckin' DEAD!" after Jane frees herself from the hold and starts punching him, and before she draws her knife. I guess that could've been an empty threat, but I seriously doubt it.
Ah, thanks I had missed that somehow. Anyway.. she had just punched him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground. Not really surprising that he would say that. Based on his actions though, its pretty clear that he was not trying to kill her.
He was just holding her against the wall... exactly like he did to Mike:
Obviously Jane was putting up more of a struggle, but Kenny's actions are the same in both situations. Obviously Kenny wasn't trying to kill Mike there, just like he wasn't trying to kill Jane.
He said the same thing to Ben and was clearly okay with letting him die, and that was before Season 2 happened.
Okay, but that was a completely different situation in regards to when he says it and in what context. We also do not know that he would have killed Ben himself, regardless if he is okay with letting someone else make that decision.
I doubt any rational person would've reacted to what the person claimed as accidental death with outright murder.
Given what we know about Jane though? Plus you can't just expect everything to be cool because someone just says it was an accident. She needed to actually explain what happened. She doesn't though, so it ultimately didn't matter. She was purposely being shady about it, because it would have been counter productive to do a better job of explaining the supposed "accident". She really only said it was an accident to keep Clem on her side. If she just walked in and was like "Yo, I killed the kid", obviously that would have ruined everything she was trying to accomplish with getting Clem on her side. She needed to get Kenny thinking that she had killed the baby without actually explicitly saying that she did. She does this by being intentionally vague and shady.
Kenny can get Alvin accidentally killed and yet Rebecca didn't react by flying into a murderous rage at him
Okay, but that was clearly an accident. There really was not any other way to look at it, unless you insist that Kenny missed Carver on purpose in an attempt to make him angry so that he would kill Alvin. That would obviously be ridiculous though. Plus Kenny wasn't the one pulling the trigger and killing Alvin... no matter how you look at it. The situation isn't even comparable to the possibility that Jane killed a baby.
I don't know, maybe she would've tried to kill someone if she had lost her baby instead of her husband?
Depends on the context. I mean, Rebecca clearly wanted to see Carver suffer after he had murdered Alvin. That is why she stayed to watch Kenny smash his face in. Obviously Carver needed to die anyway so it's kind of hard to really look into it, but I think she would definitely be furious if it looked like someone murdered Alvin or her baby. Especially her baby actually..
That last part about Jane planning to kill Kenny wasn't necessarily directed at you, but there are people who accuse Jane of just that, which is absurd.
He tells her "You're fuckin' DEAD!" after Jane frees herself from the hold and starts punching him, and before she draws her knife. I guess … morethat could've been an empty threat, but I seriously doubt it. He said the same thing to Ben and was clearly okay with letting him die, and that was before Season 2 happened.
I doubt any rational person would've reacted to what the person claimed as accidental death with outright murder. Jane never even says she killed AJ, just that he died and that it was an accident. Kenny can get Alvin accidentally killed and yet Rebecca didn't react by flying into a murderous rage at him, despite clearly holding him responsible. I don't know, maybe she would've tried to kill someone if she had lost her baby instead of her husband?
That last part about Jane planning to kill Kenny wasn't necessarily directed at you, but there are people who accuse Jane of just that, which is absurd.
Nope, my Lee would'v used the power of the pimp hand to make Jane go sit in a corner, and then high five Kenny's beard. He'd then use his linear powers to find AJ.
"Sometimes you have to hurt people to save the people you love"
I loved Kenny but there was only one way that fight was gonna stop an… mored I hurt me to do it but I had to.
Exactly. If Lee was alive, he woulda shot Kenny. So don't give us that "You are not being the Clementine that Lee knew you could be" bullshit
I shot Kenny only because Jane was the only one who knew where the baby was. If I knew they would of found the baby anyway I would of let Kenny Kill her. If she didnt have the baby and got rid of it I would of shot her to. Still both of them were fucking crazy.
Why does everyone keep saying, "That's not what Lee would of said" or "That's not what Lee would've done" you people do realize you made Lee's choices right? So Lee would of done whatever the hell you told him to do xD
Also, their is no right or wrong. After all the tragic events I decided to go off on my own, I had enough of groups. I only wish AJ could of stayed with parental figures so that Clem wouldn't have to worry about him too.
Ah, thanks I had missed that somehow. Anyway.. she had just punched him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground. Not really surprising that he would say that. Based on his actions though, its pretty clear that he was not trying to kill her.
He also attempted to punch her in the face before that scene, reminiscent to how he punched Carver to incapacitate and kill him. Seriously I think TT was just re-using animations, his body language isn't proof of anything. Anyways, my point was that he threatens to kill her long before she does anything life-threatening to him.
She needed to get Kenny thinking that she had killed the baby without actually explicitly saying that she did. She does this by being intentionally vague and shady.
I'm pretty sure her intention was to see how Kenny would react if something ever happened to the baby, Kenny's lifeline; turns out he immediately assumes that someone intentionally murdered the baby. That's what she was trying to show Clem, that if she were to ever endangered AJ, whether on purpose or not, Kenny would lose it and wouldn't see reason.
From Kenny's point of view, nothing pointed to Jane intentionally murdering AJ. Jane said it was an accident, and there aren't many ways of accidentally causing a baby's death in that scenario outside of, say, tripping and dropping the baby, or getting the baby ripped out of her grasp by a walker, neither of which are mistakes that warrant death.
That is, of course, assuming Kenny was aiming to murder Jane.
He tells her "You're fuckin' DEAD!" after Jane frees herself from the hold and starts punching him, and before she draws her knife. I guess … morethat could've been an empty threat, but I seriously doubt it.
Ah, thanks I had missed that somehow. Anyway.. she had just punched him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground. Not really surprising that he would say that. Based on his actions though, its pretty clear that he was not trying to kill her.
He was just holding her against the wall... exactly like he did to Mike:
Obviously Jane was putting up more of a struggle, but Kenny's actions are the same in both situations. Obviously Kenny wasn't trying to kill Mike there, just like he wasn't trying to kill Jane.
He said the same thing to Ben and was clearly okay with letting him die, and that was before Season 2 happened.
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He also attempted to punch her in the face before that scene, reminiscent to how he punched Carver to incapacitate and kill him.
Throwing a single punch at her does not equate to him trying to kill her.
Seriously I think TT was just re-using animations, his body language isn't proof of anything.
The animation for him pinning Jane against the wall is not the same as the animation of him pinning Mike against the wall though. His body movement was different because he was struggling more, and his right hand was lowered compare to where it was shoulder height against Mike.
And even if the animation was the same, that doesn't change anything. We can only go off of what we have. If Telltale wanted to show him do something more lethal, they could have done so. Kenny easily could have been choking her against the wall similar to what Lee did to the stranger. He could have been hitting her over and over again. He could have tossed her to the ground. There were a ton of things he could have done. Instead he just pinned her up against the wall. There were no signs that he was trying to kill her.
Anyways, my point was that he threatens to kill her long before she does anything life-threatening to him.
What is that based on though..? There really isn't much of a base for that argument.
I'm pretty sure her intention was to see how Kenny would react if something ever happened to the baby, Kenny's lifeline; turns out he immediately assumes that someone intentionally murdered the baby.
Her intention was to remove Kenny from the picture, for whatever reason. That is why she tells Clem "You're going to see him for what he really is". The whole thing was a set up for Kenny to fail. It wasn't just an experiment to see how he would react or not. She knew how he would react going into it.
That's what she was trying to show Clem, that if she were to ever endangered AJ, whether on purpose or not, Kenny would lose it and wouldn't see reason.
I really doubt it. She didn't really give him any reasoning. All she did was be purposely vague and state that it was an accident without actually doing anything to explain herself. If she actually wanted a fair test she would have actually tried to level with Kenny. She didn't though.. because she was only trying to remove him from the picture. Also, at any time during the fight she could have called this supposed experiment over and simply told Kenny that the baby was alive. Instead, she decides to try and kill him.
From Kenny's point of view, nothing pointed to Jane intentionally murdering AJ. Jane said it was an accident, and there aren't many ways of accidentally causing a baby's death in that scenario outside of, say, tripping and dropping the baby, or getting the baby ripped out of her grasp by a walker, neither of which are mistakes that warrant death.
Then why didn't she explain herself though? It would have been very easy to do. No one was stopping her from speaking. Again, she didn't want to try and explain herself because that went completely against the agenda of showing Clem that Kenny was someone that they had to be rid of.
Ah, thanks I had missed that somehow. Anyway.. she had just punched him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground. Not really su… morerprising that he would say that. Based on his actions though, its pretty clear that he was not trying to kill her.
He also attempted to punch her in the face before that scene, reminiscent to how he punched Carver to incapacitate and kill him. Seriously I think TT was just re-using animations, his body language isn't proof of anything. Anyways, my point was that he threatens to kill her long before she does anything life-threatening to him.
She needed to get Kenny thinking that she had killed the baby without actually explicitly saying that she did. She does this by being intentionally vague and shady.
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I don't think he would have listened. Even if you ask him to let Jane explain what happened, he says "I'm done talking" and attacks her. If Clementine had been the one to tell him there'd been an accident, I don't doubt that he would have hurt her, too. Less brutally, probably.
there was actually another way the fight could have stopped, jane could have mentioned that the baby is actually alive?! kenny even says if … moreyou save him he only attacked her cause he thought she killed aj cause she implied earlier that she didn't want the baby around and if she had said something he would have stopped
What Jane did was dumb, but was necessary so Clem could realize what Kenny was. Kenny didn't even give Jane a second to explain what happened to A.J and started a fight which was completely unnecessary. What if she was attacked by walkers and there was nothing she could do? What if Clem got A.J killed, who knows what Kenny would do. We already knew what happened when it was Clems "fault" when Sarita died. Kennys a bomb just as Jane said. They were both to blame but in the end, I felt shooting Kenny made the most sense though, as to leaving or forgiving Jane went 50/50.
Too bad in the end, the Kenny ending was still much better. c:
Sorry Kenny but I had to shoot you!!
Yes, Kenny is 100% dangerous. But at least if I ask him a question, he'll give me an answer. Unless Jane can learn to tell the truth at crit… moreical moments, and stop acting like a rebellious teenager, I'd rather the psycho man who recognises this and is ready to let us go.
It may not be the same, but it's murder to end a fight. That's what happened with Lilly, and that's what Kenny can do. My Clementine aint doing that.
Why does everyone keep saying, "That's not what Lee would of said" or "That's not what Lee would've done" you people do realize you made Lee… more's choices right? So Lee would of done whatever the hell you told him to do xD
Also, their is no right or wrong. After all the tragic events I decided to go off on my own, I had enough of groups. I only wish AJ could of stayed with parental figures so that Clem wouldn't have to worry about him too.
It was like killing his son.If I was Kenny's position I'd do the same..When I saw jane without AJ,I thought she left him for the walkers so she can escape
Don't get angry at me for this but I rewinded,I shot Kenny the first time and after finding out that Jane hid the baby I abandoned her but t… morehen I rewinded to save Kenny,I couldn't bring myself to let that bearded man die,even if he seemed peaceful.I also decided to go to Wellington no matter how much that pained me,him and Luke seem to be pretty much the only two good people yet both still have their faults.
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Man you really are Kenny aren't you.
I genuinely feel sorry for you. I've never felt sorry for someone on the forum before as I don't know them, but I pity a life where your role model is an actual murderer.
It was like killing his son.If I was Kenny's position I'd do the same..When I saw jane without AJ,I thought she left him for the walkers so she can escape
I don't think Jane 'deserved' to die either, neither of them did.
But in that specific situation, Kenny tries to punch and murder someone for quite possibly accidentally losing his baby.
That's why I shot him and seriously, seriously considered deserting Jane afterwards.
Honestly,I felt through that playthrough that Jane was trying to help Clem and care for Clem (Clem=me) but in the end deceived Clem into killing Kenny (Clem's bestfriend) which really pissed me off and I'm considering into replaying my episode thoughts?
You don't just betray the boat master, you stick it out and help the folks you care about.
It was.. a little more complicated than that..
And he wasn't really trying to kill her until she turned it into a death match.
My Lee hates Kenny.
He threw the first punch. And she put away her knife, and was then attacked again.
Kenny could easily have ended it after she put away her knife.
'Thinking' something's bullshit is not justification for murdering them.
Unless you think what Lilly did was awesome. She believed someone did something with sketchy proof.
I've seen his ending. I still think that if clem really does cause the death of the baby, even accidentally, he'll go crazy again.
Besides, I don't metagame. I'm not going to pick Kenny over Jane just because he's nice in the ending. Jane is nice in the ending too.
I 100% think she put her knife away so Kenny would feel safer to attack her. Otherwise putting the knife away was pointless to what she was trying to accomplish in the first place. Otherwise she would be like: "Uhh... soo... yeah.... by the way the baby isn't actually dead. I just hid him away all alone in a truck just to piss you off as bad as I could. I guess you're harder to manipulate than I thought.."
Yeah, he threw the first punch. That does not mean he was trying to kill her though. The worst thing he did before she went to kill mode was pinning her against the wall (like he did to Mike in Episode Three). She then smashed him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground, and proceeded to leap on him and attempted to land several blows to his face. He eventually got away though, and Jane immediately went for her knife. As he took a step towards her, she went for the kill with a slash. It only grazed him, but it was enough to cause him to retreat out of the building. Jane then rushed after him and continued to pursue him with the knife even though he was backing away. She then lunged and slashed at him with the knife two times.. even though Kenny was doing nothing but backing away. She was clearly trying to end him.
If you have a temper that causes you to murder, you need professional help and it is not normal AT ALL.
She was trying to prove that Kenny would attack her if she accidentally lost the baby. She succeeded.
Saying she clearly put her knife away to goad Kenny into attacking her is a bit sketchy. Surely she would just taunt him and keep her weapon out?
And the whole point is he ISN'T harder to manipulate than she thought. Everything she was trying to prove she succeeded in proving, like it or not.
Jane was trying to end him after Kenny attacked her when she put away her knife.
And she wasn't trying to end him actually, because that makes no sense in the context of her hoax. She wants to prove to clem that they can justifiably not continue with Kenny. What's the point in murdering him if that was her goal? That doesn't add up.
They were both trying to end each other by the time the fight got crazy, yes. But from what we know about what Jane was trying to prove, it doesn't make sense that she was specifically trying to kill him when she came up with the hoax idea.
She only goes properly crazy at him after he attacks her after she puts her weapon away, thinking that this should show Clem what he really was. She wasn't expecting Kenny to attack her further, so she went full brutal mode and they both try to off each other.
But again, her going into the fight in the first place in order to kill Kenny doesn't make any kind of sense with the evidence we have, so is thus unlikely.
About the first punch thing, I should point out that Kenny threatens to murder Jane before she even stabs him or does anything remotely life threatening, and I really doubt he was making empty threats. He was fighting to kill, and for no justifiable reason.
As for the theory that Jane planned all along to murder Kenny, I completely agree that it doesn't make any sense.
"I know! I will provoke Kenny into attacking me by telling him that AJ died, despite the fact that I have no reason to believe that he would consider accidental death a substantial reason to outright murder someone. I will then put away my weapon and try to explain my case in order to further goad Kenny into killing me so that I in turn will be justified in murdering him. I will execute this convoluted plan even though it would be much simpler to just slit Kenny's throat when Clem wasn't looking and throw his body to some walkers to get rid of the evidence."
Like, what? I think Jane's plan was pretty dumb considering how unstable Kenny was at the time, but why the hell would she have wanted to kill Kenny from the start? She said herself that her plan was only to talk Clem into leaving once they saw how crazy he would become. If she was so desperate to murder Kenny that she would be willing to start a direct fight with him, surely she would've been smart enough to kill him in a more discrete and safer way?
I think it's pretty important that Mike, a tough guy who's been established to be sweet and reasonable, is the one who thinks Kenny went way too far with mistreating Arvo and eventually decided to escape with him.
Because we never directly see it, and the whole game is centered around his redemption at the hands of Clementine. Similarly, Kenny is redeemed by Season 2 no matter how he is sent off - whether it is finally accepting his monstrousness and allowing himself to be put down, delivering Clementine to the promised land, or living happily ever after with her.
That is, if you haven't already picked up on the whole second season presenting him as a volatile, abusive mess on the same path of madness as Carver. Having Clementine remain with him is probably the scariest ending in my opinion, second only to sticking with Jane and giving into her inhumanity.
I think though Lee would do the same thing if Clem died because of someone else, so I don't blame him for beating her up, but he didn't have to kill her.
I love Kenny so I let Jane get hurt... simple.
I have gone back and looked at that scene many times. He never threatens to kill her until she draws a knife on him and goes for the kill herself.
If I'm mistaken here, could you please show otherwise?
No justifiable reason? First of all, I realllly don't think he was originally fighting to kill. We can see that from his actions at the start of the fight. He was being violent, but he wasn't doing anything murderous. The worst thing he did was pin her to the wall.. exactly like what he did to Mike back in episode three. You wouldn't argue that he was trying to kill Mike... would you...? Second of all, the violence was kind of justifiable considering she purposely tricked him into believing that she had killed "his" baby. I feel like the vast majority of people would flip out in that situation. I'm sure Rebecca would have reacted in the same way.
I never said that. I have only said that she was planning on removing him from the group. In her mind, If that escalated into having to kill him, so be it.
I don't give 2 fucks what anybody says I LOVED JANE
My Lee would be proud of My Clementine.
Yes, she succeeded. Does that actually paint Kenny in a bad light though? You don't screw around with that kind of thing. She was intentionally being shady about it in order to bring out the worst in Kenny. Heck, that kind of thing would bring out the worst in anyone. It would be one thing if she tried to actually explain herself, but she didn't, because that would have been counter productive towards her agenda. At any time during the fight, she could have stopped and told Kenny she had the baby in the car.
Okay, but Kenny did not start out trying to kill her. That is all I was saying. Jane was the one who escalated the situation to that point.
She slashed him across the stomach with a knife. If Kenny had been slightly closer, his stomach would have been split open. She then stabs and slashes at him multiple times. If any of those attacks would have connected, he could easily have died.
How does it not? She was simply trying to get rid of him. Killing him accomplishes that, even if that isn't exactly what she originally set out to do. It didn't really matter as long as she got rid of him and had a reason to give Clem.
Like I said before, it makes more sense to think that she wanted Kenny to attack her after she put the knife away. Otherwise everything was pointless. She didn't get much of a reaction out of him at that point, besides accusations and a missed punch attempt. If she would have conceded that she had the baby in the truck the whole time, she would have just looked stupid. She needed a better reaction.
I don't blame Kenny for matching her intensity when she was the one who escalated the situation in the first place. He was fighting for his life at that point. Even after he retreated out of the building, Jane ran after him with a knife and tried to kill him mid-retreat.
Never said she went into the fight to specifically kill Kenny.
He tells her "You're fuckin' DEAD!" after Jane frees herself from the hold and starts punching him, and before she draws her knife. I guess that could've been an empty threat, but I seriously doubt it. He said the same thing to Ben and was clearly okay with letting him die, and that was before Season 2 happened.
I doubt any rational person would've reacted to what the person claimed as accidental death with outright murder. Jane never even says she killed AJ, just that he died and that it was an accident. Kenny can get Alvin accidentally killed and yet Rebecca didn't react by flying into a murderous rage at him, despite clearly holding him responsible. I don't know, maybe she would've tried to kill someone if she had lost her baby instead of her husband?
That last part about Jane planning to kill Kenny wasn't necessarily directed at you, but there are people who accuse Jane of just that, which is absurd.
He didn't know the baby was alive
Ah, thanks I had missed that somehow. Anyway.. she had just punched him in his bad eye hard enough to knock him to the ground. Not really surprising that he would say that. Based on his actions though, its pretty clear that he was not trying to kill her.
He was just holding her against the wall... exactly like he did to Mike:
Obviously Jane was putting up more of a struggle, but Kenny's actions are the same in both situations. Obviously Kenny wasn't trying to kill Mike there, just like he wasn't trying to kill Jane.
Okay, but that was a completely different situation in regards to when he says it and in what context. We also do not know that he would have killed Ben himself, regardless if he is okay with letting someone else make that decision.
Given what we know about Jane though? Plus you can't just expect everything to be cool because someone just says it was an accident. She needed to actually explain what happened. She doesn't though, so it ultimately didn't matter. She was purposely being shady about it, because it would have been counter productive to do a better job of explaining the supposed "accident". She really only said it was an accident to keep Clem on her side. If she just walked in and was like "Yo, I killed the kid", obviously that would have ruined everything she was trying to accomplish with getting Clem on her side. She needed to get Kenny thinking that she had killed the baby without actually explicitly saying that she did. She does this by being intentionally vague and shady.
Okay, but that was clearly an accident. There really was not any other way to look at it, unless you insist that Kenny missed Carver on purpose in an attempt to make him angry so that he would kill Alvin. That would obviously be ridiculous though. Plus Kenny wasn't the one pulling the trigger and killing Alvin... no matter how you look at it. The situation isn't even comparable to the possibility that Jane killed a baby.
Depends on the context. I mean, Rebecca clearly wanted to see Carver suffer after he had murdered Alvin. That is why she stayed to watch Kenny smash his face in. Obviously Carver needed to die anyway so it's kind of hard to really look into it, but I think she would definitely be furious if it looked like someone murdered Alvin or her baby. Especially her baby actually..
Weird.
Nope, my Lee would'v used the power of the pimp hand to make Jane go sit in a corner, and then high five Kenny's beard. He'd then use his linear powers to find AJ.
STOP MAKING ME FEEL BAD.
I shot Kenny only because Jane was the only one who knew where the baby was. If I knew they would of found the baby anyway I would of let Kenny Kill her. If she didnt have the baby and got rid of it I would of shot her to. Still both of them were fucking crazy.
Why does everyone keep saying, "That's not what Lee would of said" or "That's not what Lee would've done" you people do realize you made Lee's choices right? So Lee would of done whatever the hell you told him to do xD
Also, their is no right or wrong. After all the tragic events I decided to go off on my own, I had enough of groups. I only wish AJ could of stayed with parental figures so that Clem wouldn't have to worry about him too.
He also attempted to punch her in the face before that scene, reminiscent to how he punched Carver to incapacitate and kill him. Seriously I think TT was just re-using animations, his body language isn't proof of anything. Anyways, my point was that he threatens to kill her long before she does anything life-threatening to him.
I'm pretty sure her intention was to see how Kenny would react if something ever happened to the baby, Kenny's lifeline; turns out he immediately assumes that someone intentionally murdered the baby. That's what she was trying to show Clem, that if she were to ever endangered AJ, whether on purpose or not, Kenny would lose it and wouldn't see reason.
From Kenny's point of view, nothing pointed to Jane intentionally murdering AJ. Jane said it was an accident, and there aren't many ways of accidentally causing a baby's death in that scenario outside of, say, tripping and dropping the baby, or getting the baby ripped out of her grasp by a walker, neither of which are mistakes that warrant death.
That is, of course, assuming Kenny was aiming to murder Jane.
ya'll saw nothin
I can still see it on my feed. You're going really low now.
Lee would never have attempted to kill Jane over an accident like he never once tried to kill Ben.
Kenny was too far gone and Jane didn't deserve to die.
I was already pretty low sh I've had a bad day and it's 5am and can't sleep cut me some slack, I removed the pic
Throwing a single punch at her does not equate to him trying to kill her.
The animation for him pinning Jane against the wall is not the same as the animation of him pinning Mike against the wall though. His body movement was different because he was struggling more, and his right hand was lowered compare to where it was shoulder height against Mike.
And even if the animation was the same, that doesn't change anything. We can only go off of what we have. If Telltale wanted to show him do something more lethal, they could have done so. Kenny easily could have been choking her against the wall similar to what Lee did to the stranger. He could have been hitting her over and over again. He could have tossed her to the ground. There were a ton of things he could have done. Instead he just pinned her up against the wall. There were no signs that he was trying to kill her.
What is that based on though..? There really isn't much of a base for that argument.
Her intention was to remove Kenny from the picture, for whatever reason. That is why she tells Clem "You're going to see him for what he really is". The whole thing was a set up for Kenny to fail. It wasn't just an experiment to see how he would react or not. She knew how he would react going into it.
I really doubt it. She didn't really give him any reasoning. All she did was be purposely vague and state that it was an accident without actually doing anything to explain herself. If she actually wanted a fair test she would have actually tried to level with Kenny. She didn't though.. because she was only trying to remove him from the picture. Also, at any time during the fight she could have called this supposed experiment over and simply told Kenny that the baby was alive. Instead, she decides to try and kill him.
Then why didn't she explain herself though? It would have been very easy to do. No one was stopping her from speaking. Again, she didn't want to try and explain herself because that went completely against the agenda of showing Clem that Kenny was someone that they had to be rid of.
I don't think he would have listened. Even if you ask him to let Jane explain what happened, he says "I'm done talking" and attacks her. If Clementine had been the one to tell him there'd been an accident, I don't doubt that he would have hurt her, too. Less brutally, probably.
What Jane did was dumb, but was necessary so Clem could realize what Kenny was. Kenny didn't even give Jane a second to explain what happened to A.J and started a fight which was completely unnecessary. What if she was attacked by walkers and there was nothing she could do? What if Clem got A.J killed, who knows what Kenny would do. We already knew what happened when it was Clems "fault" when Sarita died. Kennys a bomb just as Jane said. They were both to blame but in the end, I felt shooting Kenny made the most sense though, as to leaving or forgiving Jane went 50/50.
Too bad in the end, the Kenny ending was still much better. c:
Sorry Kenny but I had to shoot you!!
This thread is pretty ironic when you think about it lol
He did, watch when Clem and Kenny get back to AJ, he says that if he had known, he wouldn't have done so...
But you can't use what you thought as a reason to kill her.
Luke is the only good person. Kenny is just as bad as Jane.