Why Jane Was the Better Choice
First off, Im not blurring out my title. If you are on the forums and haven't played Episode 5 yet that is no ones fault besides your own.
Secondly, I love that the forum is split on this. It shows what a great job Telltale did in writing a story. It is very hard to make a story where the fan base is so divided.
And to the main point of the thread. . .
Saving Jane was the better choice. NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE, but the better one. Heck even Kenny admits it if you shoot him! I liked Kenny and it was a shame to see him go but he was too hard headed for his own good. Always thinking he could take on the world and too ignorant of others. When you are in the truck to Carvers camp, he actually thought (against everyones opinion) that it would be a good idea to try to escape via fist fight. The door knocking him out saved his life!
I am not saying anything directly bad at Kenny. He loved Clem. He loved Alvin Jr. However, he was a danger to the group and himself. He was a broken man who wasn't willing to learn to accept others. He had been through a lot, lost a lot and I understand why he was like that but in the end he was wrong. Jane was right. I mean Jane said EXACTLY what was going to happen. He was too attached to the baby in my opinion.
From a sensical viewpoint, Jane is younger, more able to protect Clem, and is more level headed.
I understand people that went with Kenny but if you did, you know that eventually Kenny will lose it completely. As Lee said, you need to do whats best even if you hurt others you care about. And also as previously mentioned, Kenny himself said he was at fault for everything so not sure how you can disagree.
P.S If were keeping score, Kenny was wrong again about Wellington. Wouldn't let three members in. . . wouldn't have let 7 members in if Bonnie/Mike/Arvo were there. On the other hand if Kenny had listened to everyone else they would have made it back to Carvers camp- had food and formula AND shelter for at least some time.
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But if you go with Kenny you get to go to Wellington, aka party city.
It is the best choice for the simple fact that you save Kenny from himself and stop him from becoming Carver/Lily.
True, and I watched that and I thought it was a much better ending story wise but if you go with Jane you get to see Carvers mutilated face again so . . .win win situation here.
I also just liked Jane's ending from a story point of view. If you let in the family, the ending is ambiguous because Clem doesn't know if she made the right choice by trusting in humanity again, but it was still ultimately hopeful because it suggested that she would be able to rebuild and that Jane was opening up to people again. It fit the themes of The Walking Dead quite nicely.
Kenny's endings, meanwhile, were too overly happy and unambiguously "good" for my taste. Plus. I was really bothered by how Clem bursts into tears at Kenny's departure. Doesn't matter if your Clem wasn't close with him, doesn't matter if Clem has been portrayed as someone who doesn't cry in unfamiliar and potentially dangerous situations (Separated from Christa, abandoned in the herd), none of that matters, cause Kenny's getting a sympathetic end scene no matter what you think or want.
She also cries even if Kenny left Lee to hang and dry in S1 by refusing to help save Clementine.
Well, to be fair, we don't know if Wellington is as great as it has been made out to be. There might be lots of issues inside those walls.
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I liked Janes ending too. I thought it bought the story full circle with the "Will you trust humanity again" part but it didn't provide as much closure as with Kenny. Still, happy with my decision and how it turned out.
Side note: And once again, Kenny was wrong about Wellington. Couldn't take all three members in. Going back to Carvers camp there was plenty of food/ shelter.
He would be a shit parent purely because he wanted to see Carver's mutilated face? By that logic, Kenny was an even shittier parent because he mutilated that face in the first place, and let Clem watch.
? umm ok
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Seriously, Bonnie and Mike were completely right to ditch Kenny. Imagine if the group had listened to him and went to Wellington. Sorry, you can't come in. Here's one bag of supplies to share amongst six people, good luck out there :P
C'mon man, face mashing is awesome. Fun for the whole family.
I never said I wanted Clem to see Kenny kill Carver. . . but I see we are all about jumping to conclusions on this forum.
^ Exactly. I could just picture the entire group just staring at Kenny in silence.
Carver deserved his death. Kenny told everyone to wait outside. Clem can decide whether or not she wants to see. Lee says she's gonna see some bad stuff out there. Everyone will see bad stuff out there, is Rick a bad parent because he mutilated some people in front of Carl?.
Saying Howe's is a win situation only because "LOL U SEE CARVERS SMASHED FASE XD" hence the "shit parent" comment which shouldnt be taken seriously anyways.
Reporting you and the other guy for spoiling in the title that the final choice is between kenny and jane (amazing how dumb you people can be)
Reporting you especially for spoiling that jane is in epsiode 5
Also love the hypocrisy in your thinking and others like you:
"kenny was a broken man he couldnt think straight....OH EXCEPT WHEN HE IS ALRIGHT WITH ME KILLING HIM THAT WAS TOTALLY A SANE THING TO SAY AND IM GOING TO USE THAT AS EVIDENCE EVN THOUGH IT CONTRADICTS MY ARGUMENT DUUUUUH"
I'm a Kenny fan. And yes, you make valid points about the Jane choice over Kenny. I will admit that.
I will also say, I totally agree that Telltale did a great job, because we weren't forced with one ending. We had multiple, and depending on what we wanted, or how we played, we were able to make a choice we liked. So, people need to quit arguing over who was evil 100% wrong and irrational. We should all just be thankful we could choose who we wanted.
Going back to howes was always in my mind since episode 3 and start of 4. I wish kenny would've listened.
Also wtf how did all the zombies get cleaned up? like all of them?
Not sure what your point is. I agree that Carver deserved death, and Kenny did warn Clem not to watch. I was simply pointing out that if you go by the line of thinking that wanting to see his mutilated face makes you a "bad parent", mutilating that face in the first place would make you an even worse parent. Which I don't necessarily think is true.
And I'm pretty sure seeing Carver's face wasn't Kirbinator's "only" reason to say going back to Howe's was a win situation. He says as much in his original post.
That was evidence of inconsistent writing, if anything.
The fuck are you guys looking at me for? I didn't force you to come!
Wow you sound awfully upset.
And I didn't use that as evidence as to why to save him, I said that to me nothing is really being proven by trying to break him on purpose and achieving that, Jane shouldn't have ever done that.
That being said I really wish she didn't. as I honestly liked Jane.
Jane's one of the better choices as far as the sheer likelihood of survival goes.
But I wasn't willing to travel with her after everything that happened.
I know and like I said Kenny was a fine choice if you chose him. Im just saying looking back on it, I think Jane was the clear more logical choice.
Why? Final scene aside, she came back despite her instincts for Clementine. . .mostly.
LOL can't tell if troll or not?
I got the Clem and baby ending which is sad. I shot Kenny, I thought the Wellington ending is the best but Kenny then goes away, I shot him and at least he is at peace. Rather then wandering the land looking for death or something to live for again.
bullshit
The whole issue with her insisting I leave Sarah to die aside; she went out of her way to incite a psychological breakdown in a man in the middle of a life or death situation. Clem may have been ready to leave with her anyway, but Jane manipulates the situation and forces her hand in killing Kenny just to prove his instability.
We already knew Kenny was violent and on edge, the fact she decided to pretend to get an infant killed just to get a rise out of him was both cruel and insanely stupid.
I read that in his voice. Fits perfectly
Jane was never a better choice.
Just as valid sure.
None are better in of themselves.