So I guess the Kenny haters condone what Jane did?
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I liked Jane. I really liked her...until about 5 minutes into this episode. She's psycho!
I get where she is coming from. Trying to prove that Kenny is unstable. But in the process proved that she is far more dangerous and unstable than Kenny ever was...
She was constantly trying to turn Clementine against Kenny. Now I hate that in people anyway. Jane doesn't know him. She's known him for a few days through some of the most horrific situations possible. Yet she's making out that she is 110% right. Refusing to believe Clem when she says he's not like that. He's just had a bad time of it.
Just goes on trying to brainwash Clem into believing he's some evil person.
Then what she said in the car.... well done Kenny! That was just untrue. Yes they're scared of him. But the implications that Sarita didn't love him was not true. And designed purely for the fact to send him into a rage.
Yet he didn't do ANYTHING violent. In fact when he spun the car his first concern was her. Then AJ, then Clem. Showing that despite what she says, he might not want her around. But he doesn't want her dead!
Then Jane pulls that God dammed stupid stunt with the kid.
Put it this way... If I believed that any one of you forum members had killed a baby. Regardless of my emotional attachment to it. I'd do to you war worse than Kenny did to Jane.
He believed that she had left him to die to save herself. And not for no reason. She had only just returned after abandoning the group the day before. Leavening them in a dicey situation where they could've used her help. So not an unjust speculation. Then Jane goads him. Pushes all those buttons to make him angry.
And if anyone here says they wouldn't react in a similar situation. That's a lie. We all have those triggers. All of us. Wether you like to admit it or not.
So I let my Clementine watch Kenny kill Jane. And after they found the kid. Kenny said exactly what I was thinking. I'm paraphrasing here.
"Why did she do that? Why?"
Clem said that he didn't have to kill Jane...
"She wanted a fight Clem. She was unstable and dangerous. would never hurt you or this baby. You've got to believe me..."
And I did. Kenny has never dome anything to hurt me. He has always had the best interests of the group at heart, even if the way he tries to get his message across could use a little finnesse ( that's where Lee came in handy!)
His plans and ideas are always sound. And almost always the right ones. But he gets easily hurt when he's shot down for trying to help ... "I bring them a working car, and they act like I shit in their cereal!"
And no. Contrary to popular belief. I'm not a rabid Kenny fan girl. I don't believe he's infallible. But I do take objection to the fact of how he's vilified for having the most realistic human reactions of any character in the game. Just because so many people are in denial that they would act the same in the same situation.
I doubt I could be anywhere near as good as Kenny during the ZA. Or hold it together as well as him.
He's selfless, looking out for everyone. And he makes mistakes in the process. Not only that but he's not afraid to admit he made mistakes when confronted about them.
Everyone else in the last few episodes, has had some form.of agenda. Kenny just wants the kid safe. Not himself. Just the kids... which is a bloody good job. Because not one other member of this group other than Clem could give a shit about this baby!
I hope to god I get to give Bonnie and Mike the Carver treatment at some point.
you can't survive long in this world if you only care about your own survival.
So my Clem and Kenny are off together raising a baby somewhere. And I doubt we'll see them again. But I like to think they make it into Wellington some day. ..
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You know, Kenny provoked Jane first and he even tried to convince Clementine that Jane was a bad influence.
My opinion is of the opposite. I feel Jane provoked Kenny first and she tried to convince Clementine that he was insane.
Jane insulted Kenny's family after he insulted her about how she's a loner and only cares about herself.
Actually no! He's never hidden the fact that he doesn't like her. But he's left Clem to make her own decisions with Jane. Jane outright tries to brainwash Clem into thinking Kenny is a bad guy. And provokes him...nd keeps provoking until she finally gets a violent reaction.
And I'd like to think that most of you here would act the way he did when he thoughts she'd killed a baby. Or would you just let it go?
I am intrigued though. How do you think he provoked Jane?
Kenny can also talk about how he doesn't like Jane.
jane is a psycho the part when kenny goes to get fuel from the cars she says .. "clem we could leave right now," then clem says what abot Aj and then "look i now u are close to him but kenny would never let him go"
SHE WANTED TO LEAVE A CHILD BEHIND
I think the difference between Kenny and Jane is that Kenny would lay his life down for the kids. Where Jane will not.
Jane does what Jane needs to do to survive. She even left her sister to die rather than try and talk her round. Or carry her out. Maybe a mercy. .. but goes to show that only Jane comes first for Jane. I have no problem with that. It's a trait they need to survive.
But when you try and start turning people against each other. No no no... I don't like that in anyone.
So when she starts trying to turn Clem against the one person who would give his life for her, just so she gets to try again with little sister 2.0 I knew she wasn't the person to go with if I wanted to survive.
I don't condone what Jane did at all, but at the same time Kenny has been too hot headed though out both seasons which has lead to just as many problems. This along with Kenny's inability to think lead to my choice of reluctantly shooting him.
Jane has saved more then just a few lives in season 2, so your post is wrong. As for her sister, she's already explained that.
I don't think Kenny is hot headed. More the fact that he says what needs to be done. Which is usually the last thing anyone one of us wants to do (like smashing Larrys head in)
So we look for alternatives, whilst Kenny is single minded on what needs to be done. Which makes us call him rash whilst deep down we know it's the right choice. We just like to believe that we would find another * better* way.
don't you remember sarah and jaime???? she left her sister and want to left sarah too that why i didn't choose her over my bestfriend
What a needlessly provocative thread title.
Personally I thought every scene from the 'house' onwards showed just how unstable and dangerous both of them are. Kenny was a bomb waiting to go off, and clearly capable of anything, even trying to shame Clem's lack of bloodlust when she doesn't like him beating Arvo to a pulp. Meanwhile Jane was manipulative and just as ruthless, just as vicious as Kenny in the fight, and forces Clem to shoot him if you save her. She claims she never meant it to go that far, but wasn't that the point of her little stunt - to prove just what Kenny was capable of? She also risked the baby's life.
Neither of them seems to be in the right in my opinion.
He's definitely hot headed. He's quick to resort to the violent answer and refuses to listen to almost anybody. The Larry scene is a great example of that. Larry had only JUST falling over and he wanted to smash his head in straight away.
True dat, pick your poison haha.
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I liked Kenny very much. We were together from season 1. But when he got really mad, I choose to shoot him. (I think I just wanted to make myself cry
) But when I found out that baby was alive I left Jane. I think this was the best becouse she would never hear arguing again. Nothing would make her sad again. But at some point she can't be alone. Not again after she lost Lee and after she got separated from Christa. If something happens to her she wouldn't make it alone. But Kenny really cared about her. I think Jane cared about her too. ''You're 90% of reason that I came back'' ''I promise that I won't leave you. Not again. Even if I should at lot of times'' she says. When clem ask that If she would leave her behind if she were in any trouble, she answers ''No''. Maybe she got Clementine as her sister and she wanted her for herself and she didn't want Kenny to hurt her even if he never would dare to do so. What I was really sad about is that how much impact this whole situaction got her. They were trying to kill each other and she couldn't do anything and she even cryed to make them stop. That's the most saddest story I have ever seen in my life.
Jane hid the baby in a safe place but didnt say anything about it....SHE WANTED A FIGHT!!!
Despite putting her knife away, saying leave me alone and saying it was an accident. Yeah, those are real fighting words!!
/sarcasm
I didn't hate Kenny, but the amount of spooning he gets on this forum is laughable.
But he had no reason to think she'd killed the baby. She said it was an accident, the fact she didn't come in with Clem proves something went wrong. The kenny went into one of his blind rages.
I liked kenny, but his mind was always fragile and when he attacked jane it had snapped. If you side with Jane kenny even sees that at the end.
I guess you don't realize the context that Jane left her sister because she gave up,and that can happen to Sarah either.
This paragraph can be used on Jane too,only she's more reasonable.
What do you expect,the forum is filled with Kenny Zealots.
I really doubt that Jane was planning for Kenny to die. If that had been her intention from the start, surely it would've been much easier and safer to just slit his throat when Clem wasn't looking, and then throw the corpse to the walkers to hide the evidence?
Jane does care about Clem, and so does Kenny. You can see right away Kenny cares about Clem, and Jane likes Clem so much (in her twisted way), that she was willing to let a baby get killed and have her shoot Kenny just to be with her. If she's a replacement for her sister, that I don't know. I still don't agree with what she did.
Are y'all Kenny Zealots slow in progressing words? She only said she wanted to leave Kenny,not leave AJ behind,even at the ending if you stay with her,she concerned for him and informed Clem about the formula.
Jane said it felt wrong to kill the guy at the beginning of the episode because it was to save them and not her.
She did...everything she said was designed to invite him to violence. She wanted a fight. That was her plan all along. As Kenny said. She could've stopped it at any time. All she had to do was say AJ was alive.
If I thought she had killed the baby. I'd have done the same...
I agree. But that makes Jane far more dangerous and unstable than Kenny ever was.
Jane left Clem in the car all alone, then she dares come back without the baby?!
No. She said it felt wrong because he wasn't a walker.
Travestron I think you are better than clumping all Kenny zealots into one. Or is insulting the only way you can get your point across?
Nope. She wanted Clem to see how dangerous Kenny had become. If you saved Jane she even says she was really sorry and she didn't think he would go that far. But, that's a mute point in my opinion. As it's the beauty of hindsight.
For what it's worth, if I could choose anyone still living for Clem to be with, it would probably be Molly.
She did. She did what Ben did in Savannah. Faced with danger, and she looked after number one.
Exactly the sort of person you do not want in your corner during the ZA!
Because it was becoming to the point where all the provocation made by them is ridiculous,liking a character or think he's the best is one thing,but start strutting and stomping on others then there's gonna be a problem.
No. She said she tried to pretend it was a walker.
Mad guy who I seriously mentally hurt won't attack me if I put my weapon down!!
/sarcasm
I didn't hate Jane, but the amount of people who likes manipulative people is laughable.
Indeed. There is just no way Clem should stay with anyone of them. One of them kills your best friend so she can have you all for herself, and the other is so unstable he puts everyones lives at risk.
She said it was wrong because the guy had never done anything to her.
To be clear,both of them aren't completely right in the head ever since the argument started,but I'm sick of telling Kenny to calm the fuck down,Telltale should stop making this game as Kenny Therapist simulation ever since episode 3.
She could have said at any time, that the baby was alive, she had so many opportunities, but she threw away her life for a petty dispute. I let Kenny kill her because I thought she had killed the baby. Also, after Jane actively tries to kill Kenny, throwing Clementine to the ground and trying to murder him.