Killing off characters too quickly? Characters created only to die..
Just food for thought, was thinking about it and it seems that the devs are killing off characters left right and center and its not having the same effect. Does anyone remember that in season 1 when someone died you actually cared about each character? In season 2 it seems so trigger happy to cut down the numbers to nearly 1 in 5 episodes. In season 1 there were 4 survivors, Clem, Kenny, Omid and Christa. Not many, but I felt the deaths were well regulated and came at appropriate times and more importantly in acceptable scenarios. In season 2 we have Omid being killed off in a ridiculous situation, the devs just seemed like they needed to cut down numbers and got a tad lethargic in season 2. Many of the deaths were down to frustrating scenarios which were easily avoidable. Rebecca's death, Luke's death especially, Bonnie's death and then Kenny and Jane, Jane started a fight for absolutely no reason, put a baby in danger to prove a point and then try to kill each other. Argh, I just feel like a bit more character development wouldnt go a miss instead of designing characters specifically to die. Thats exactly what season 2 was. Every character we met in season 2 has died and/or had the possibility of dying (Kenny+Jane) apart from Mike, but Mike was a bit disappointing in season 2, he faded into the background a lot.
It also began to reach a point where I no longer feel Clem is ever in danger, unlike in season 1 where i felt uncomfortable and nervous for her most of the time. Its just odd, in season 2 she shows up with omid and christa, straight away omid's dead, then get rescued by pete, nick and luke, after a short while Pete's gone. Then all hell breaks loose. Its like these adults can function until clem turns up and straight away people start dying. I'd like to see a tight group of 5-6 people go over a course of 2 seasons with the odd one getting picked off here or there, because that means so much more, and it adds a lot more suspense because you know each one is equally valuable rather than having people like Nick who you know have been created for the sole purpose of being killed. A bit of a rant, but I feel the walking dead was originally started on a tight niche of survivors who were in it for each other, and each death of a survivor was one step closer to the end of the whole group season 2 felt disjointed, it never felt like a group and instead I could look directly at about 5 characters knowing they wouldnt make it to the end of the season, because they were there just to make up some numbers, not to be of any help... Anyone else feel the same, or see where i'm coming from?
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Bonnie died? I thought she escaped with mike and arvo
If you choose to cover Luke and then don't break the ice, Bonnie will drown with him.
I can see where they had to kill Luke because he would get in the way of the final fight between Kenny and Jane. He would have tried to stop it and I think most people would want to go with him at that point.
Too bad he didn't get a determinate ending.
Lies. The survives and is mad at clem the whole episode.
Lies. She survives and is mad at Clem the rest of the episode.
I think if Luke was alive, Bonnie would be too, Luke may step up to Kenny, Bonnie wouldn't have left probably and the events may not have been the same at all.
I was just thinking of having Luke as someone who stays with you no matter what ending e.g. he gets out the car w/ kenny they go to the hut areas, luke is sitting down resting his leg when the fight starts, the scuffle causes a shelf to drop, knocking Luke temporarily unconscious and leaving kenny and Jane to scuffle as Clementine checks if Lukes okay & just as you're about to make your choice on whether to shoot kenny or not, luke hobbles out in the background in time to see your choice. Just a thought though
just thinking if they both fell in but luke got out and bonnie drowned
Yes, but that's only if she survived after falling through.
Pfft, check on the wiki if you don't believe him. She's determinant.
I think there would be a fallout between Luke and Kenny, I don't see Luke ditching Clementine, so what if it became a four-way-choice? Jane V Kenny V Luke or alone.
Her! But yup. That's why I don't expect to see her in season three.
Have to agree, as much as I hated seeing Luke die. If he made it to the end, I would have just kicked everyone out of the truck and told him to keep driving. I know, at least with me, I went into the episode hoping to keep him around as long as I could, but once he died I was like "well, fuck y'all. I'm just out for myself and maybe the baby now."
I completely agree with this. This season got me to the point where I really just don't care about the other characters. The only characters that I did care about (other than Clem) were Luke, Kenny, Omid, and Christa. Do you know why? Because A. They had plenty of conversations/character development and B. they weren't always saying "I'M SO SAD AND DEPRESSED!!! CRY CRY CRY! MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN! WAAAAAH!" (Aside from Kenny, lol).
It's starting to get like the T.V. show. You know that when they bring in a new character that character is basically just meant to cry and cry some more and then die.
One thing that really annoys me about Season 2 was how TTG forced all 7 members of the cabin group down our throats in Episode 1, only to have every last one of them die by Episode 5. Why the hell did you introduce us to all of these new characters, then? Carlos? Sarah? Pete? Nick?
Fine, I get that we now have AJ. And I love AJ, because he gives Kenny reason to live. But did we really need to have 7 new characters forced upon us at once, only for them all to die eventually? Kind of a waste. I would have liked at least some of them to make it to Season 3.
I certainly think Omid got killed off far too quickly. Seemed like they just wanted Omid and Christa out of the story so they killed one off and had the other attacked and you get separated from her.
I'm with you there. Omid's death was a cheap shock just to make room for new characters. I also don't think having Christa disappearing so soon into the season was a good idea. This season would have been a lot better had Christa and Omid been in it for longer.
But she ALWAYS survives. There is nothing t hat changes so she can die.
EDIT: Apparantly she can die. Scary stuff.
i was thinking of maybe keeping the fight between jane and kenny, either or both can die, but luke is always with you at the end xD I just liked Luke so much and he died in such a shitty way, not even in a blaze of glory like Lee but oh well. I feel the devs have made their job much harder when it comes around to them making season 3 due to them being trigger happy on a lot of the characters, the only character who cant die in season 2 is Mike, I hope thats because he has a big part to play and meets with Clem, or maybe the devs just forgot about him, he seemed to fade into the background a fair bit in season 2 which was disappointing
Yeah totally agree with you. I just feel empty at the end of season 2, back to square 1, everything seems to go fine for people until Clem turns up and an abnormal amount of deaths occur, in a short amount of time the whole group in season 2 is dead apart from about 3 people including Clem, it just seems unrealistic that everywhere Clem went in season 2 there was almost too much death, i get the carver stuff, that was awesome, but the unnecessary fight between Kenny and Jane, Bonnie and Luke falling into the lake.
I thought the purpose of introducing all these new characters in season 2 meant the would slowly be whittled down to 2 we carry over with or so, instead all thats happened is we've had a short amount of time to get to know them and then have them killed. Leaving the same thing to be done in season 3, introduce a butt ton of characters and watch them get torn away right back down to lonely old Clem again sigh
yeah, its almost like they want a new set of characters each season, out with the old in with the new. But real life cant work like that xD witihin a few months of clem reaching the group in season 2 they were all dead, they obviously couldnt of been dying at that rate before clem got there, but oh as soon as clem turns up lets make it super dramatic and kill literally everyone apart from about 1 person, Mike..
\they need to rethink it imo, they seem to be going for maximum drama, but in season 1 i loved it, I genuinely didnt feel safe walking around, whereas in season 2 you see clem walking through a blizzard type scenario and i didnt think a thing about that, just point click, easy job..
Characters need to be developed better and the element of danger for the protagonist must be heightened
TT needs to realize even though people need to die in TWD we dont need death where it doesnt help the story. I mean look at the show, TWD season 4 had only one death of a lovable character yet i think it was the best season yet whereas season 3 had plenty of deaths that only served to shock fans and severely limited character development
Yeah, I am totally with you, dont you feel you dont get close shaves anymore in season 2? If you know what I mean, when i saw someone in season 1 get into trouble i felt that they could manage to get out of it, in season 2 as soon as a character who isnt Clementine gets into trouble i know they're death, e.g. Luke in the lake, that is just so stuck in my head I hate it, Clementine breaks the ice just as he drowns, you can shoot through the ice, anyone would try to breath through that bullet-hole if they were in their last chance saloon so to speak. I just dont feel theres that "oh my god that was close we're so lucky, we finally caught a break" bonding moment, its just, oh you're in a tussle with a walker? Dead. Under ice? Dead. Everything is favourable when clem's in a grappling match with one, but for some reason when an adult starts a grappling match with a walker they're bound to lose. In my opinion season 2 was just predictable, no shocks where we just got away with it, just straight up murdered 90% of the characters..
God damn it, I knew that'd happen.
I mean I get that they want Clem alone for some reason but they don't have to make everyone dead or determinant (basically means dead unless season 3 starts with a new story hopefully)
The only person who can survive season 2 apart from Clem is Mike.. That makes me hopeful we'll see him again soon, or maybe they forgot about him. Here's how I think season 3 should go, a quick introduction to characters at Wellington, then its attacked, sh*t goes down and it falls apart. Clem escapes and meets up with a select few survivors and they head south, gradually meeting with Mike etc. Or just throw you into the eye of the storm and start season 3 with Clem a couple years older and in the middle of Wellington falling apart whilst under attack. Like have her pov as she wakes up to gunfire and screaming or something. I cant be having an introduction another group of people who are gonna be picked off, id rather meet 2 people and have a tight-knit group of people i'll care about than 10 or so walking zombie feeders
new story could be about clems father when they went to that place (cant remember) and left clem alone. Bit of a long shot but would be interesting having a grand finale of them meeting up at the end of season 3! what do you think?
I think the death that infuriated me the most was Nick's in episode 4. What a waste.
that would be the 2nd most infuriating death for me. Lukes death more so because he had a larger impact on the group, Nick kept messing up but i still agree his death was stupid, I also feel the same for Pete. Why does sh*t only go down after clem arrives, as soon as clem reaches the group in season 2 Pete gets killed and Nick loses his head, seems like lazy writing, Nick seemed like a great guy, but Petes death caused him to become a screw up. I feel bad for him because he could have had a big impact on the group because he seemed like that type of character but was denied that opporunity because of petes death which was stupid and too fast. Luke already had a strong impact on the group, he was the peacekeeper but was a badass as well, but died such a stupid death.. Both have disappointed me desperately tbh..