the search for wellington - a death sentence?

edited September 2014 in The Walking Dead

i have mentioned this quiet a few times, but can not remember ever getting a response to it.

let's forget about mike clearly thinking kenny is a dangerous madmen, and not being willing to stand by while he beats a boy that has lost everything to death,

about bonny already telling you how much she fears kenny right when you get to the war memorial sight,

about jane's predictions turning out to be right all the time.

let's focus on wellington.

kenny made it quiet clear that you "have to tear his cold dead hands of that steering wheel before he stops heading for wellington". (i do not remember the exact quote, but it was something like that)

jane made the point, that they do not know if it even exists. and even if, how would they find it in time?

a good point, i think, since there is actually no indication at all, that it exists. all we have are tales, that wander from one survivor to another. the same tales of a better place that appear always everywhere in bad times.

"just heading north" are also not that great directions.

it just sounds like madness, especially coming from kenny.

so why do people always say, it is so out of character for mike and bonny to leave? i would leave so fast, i would probably not even realize we got all the supplies until clementine points it out.

and jane's tuning to drastic measures seemed to me even more understandable. she was endangering the baby? was kenny not endangering the baby?

finding wellington is that kind of miracle, that only appears in fiction.

how did that baby even survive those nine days?

and if you leave with him. how do you even know, in that bag is actually what the baby needs?

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  • about bonny already telling you how much she fears kenny right when you get to the war memorial sight,

    Kind of a side rant here, but I hate how everyone in the group treats Kenny as if he is the Big Bad Wolf. He wanted to be left alone because his lover died about 6 hours ago, his emotions of anger and sadness are understandable.

    kenny made it quiet clear that you "have to tear his cold dead hands of that steering wheel before he stops heading for wellington"

    Reasonable. He fixed the truck, so it is only fair that he determines where they go.

    "just heading north" are also not that great directions.

    Well...they got there, didn't they?

    it just sounds like madness, especially coming from kenny.

    Because Kenny said it, it's "madness"? So I suppose you think Christa's plan was also "madness" because it was hers, too?

    and jane's tuning to drastic measures seemed to me even more understandable. she was endangering the baby? was kenny not endangering the baby?

    I'm not sure I understand. Kenny is the one that cares about the baby the most, he would never purposefully endanger AJ.

    And the search for Wellington is very obviously not a death sentence, considering that Clem and Kenny made it there just fine.

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    Dragonleaf posted: »

    about bonny already telling you how much she fears kenny right when you get to the war memorial sight, Kind of a side rant here, but

  • Kind of a side rant here, but I hate how everyone in the group treats Kenny as if he is the Big Bad Wolf. He wanted to be left alone because his lover died about 6 hours ago, his emotions of anger and sadness are understandable.

    nobody treats him like the big bad wolf. everyone treat him like a bomb about to explode.

    just because you empathize with someone, does not mean you should not worry. the man with the gun looking full of rage up to the girl that chopped his loves hand off and put an axe to her head sounds really like something to worry about.

    Reasonable. He fixed the truck, so it is only fair that he determines where they go.

    by that logic, he is allowed to drive of a cliff.

    Because Kenny said it, it's "madness"? So I suppose you think Christa's plan was also "madness" because it was hers, too?

    christa did not went though what they went through. she had her opinions about kenny before. now she would think he is mad as well.

    I'm not sure I understand. Kenny is the one that cares about the baby the most, he would never purposefully endanger AJ.

    that is the entire point. not purposefully.

    but endangering the baby not purposefully is bad as well.

    And the search for Wellington is very obviously not a death sentence, considering that Clem and Kenny made it there just fine.

    Well...they got there, didn't they?

    yes, but they do not know they are part of a fictional story, where miracles come true.

    Dragonleaf posted: »

    about bonny already telling you how much she fears kenny right when you get to the war memorial sight, Kind of a side rant here, but

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    nobody treats him like the big bad wolf. everyone treat him like a bomb about to explode.

    Which ticks me off just as equally. Kenny has shown that he isn't very good at handling loved ones deaths, but even then he still steps up when the group needs him. And just because he is hotheaded doesn't mean he is "a bomb about to explode".

    just because you empathize with someone, does not mean you should not worry. the man with the gun looking full of rage up to the girl that chopped his loves hand off and put an axe to her head sounds really like something to worry about.

    It wasn't one of Kenny's finer moments, but aside from yelling at Clem (Which he didn't do in my playthrough) he really didn't do anything. He just wanted to be left alone.

    by that logic, he is allowed to drive of a cliff.

    I'm not sure why you're saying this. He obviously wouldn't drive off a cliff. He wanted to go to Wellington, while Jane wanted to go back to Howe's. Kenny fixed the truck in the first place, so in my opinion he should be the one to decide where the truck goes.

    christa did not went though what they went through. she had her opinions about kenny before. now she would think he is mad as well.

    We don't know that for sure. I think Christa would respect Kenny for taking a beating for Clem in EP3.

    that is the entire point. not purposefully. but endangering the baby not purposefully is bad as well.

    I agree with that, but I do not recall Kenny ever truly putting the baby in danger, intentional or not.

    yes, but they do not know they are part of a fictional story, where miracles come true.

    It doesn't really matter, though. In this fictional story, Wellington is a relatively safe place run by supposedly good people. It isn't a death sentence.

    2rational posted: »

    Kind of a side rant here, but I hate how everyone in the group treats Kenny as if he is the Big Bad Wolf. He wanted to be left alone because

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    by that logic, he is allowed to drive of a cliff.

    No, that would be murder. However, not letting Jane just get out of the car if she wants was a dick move, but that was to be expected as they were both in an heated argument.

    In my opinion, the best plan would be to go to howies, restock on (baby-)food and fuel and THEN search for Wellington. If that place COULD exist, you have to take the chance, because out there ONE Bandit attack and that baby is dead.
    But that wouldn't happen, because Kenny wasn't thinking straight, everyone in the group wasn't thinking straight about Kennys anger-issues and wanted to leave him, preferably while still staying with Clementine.

    Kenny WAS dangerous, but pushing him like Jane did is just making it worse, and leaving him may be safer but is incredibly unfair since he acknowledges those issues and despite everything is doing everything he can for the baby.

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    2rational posted: »

    Kind of a side rant here, but I hate how everyone in the group treats Kenny as if he is the Big Bad Wolf. He wanted to be left alone because

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    Which ticks me off just as equally. Kenny has shown that he isn't very good at handling loved ones deaths, but even then he still steps up when the group needs him. And just because he is hotheaded doesn't mean he is "a bomb about to explode".

    hotheaded is an understatement he is mad with rage, without any control when he really gets into something.

    i guess you did not made the choice on the ice, where kenny stands idly by while you almost drown, and later ignores you freezing to death because he is to busy beating up that poor kid. even if you plea for help he just looks at you for a moment and then continues

    yes, he did nothing but curse her ... so on. but that is because she actually did nothing condemnable. if she ever makes a mistake that harms the child i would not be so sure about clem safety.

    my clem pretty much always sided with jane. so when i stepped in without the baby. i was really afraid now she had to kill him to protect herself. but there was another scapegoat.

    I'm not sure why you're saying this. He obviously wouldn't drive off a cliff. He wanted to go to Wellington, while Jane wanted to go back to Howe's. Kenny fixed the truck in the first place, so in my opinion he should be the one to decide where the truck goes.

    diving somewhere that obviously does not exist or is not reachable in time is pretty much driving of a cliff ... with a baby!

    I agree with that, but I do not recall Kenny ever truly putting the baby in danger, intentional or not.

    he is the cause for mike leaving with all the supplies.

    We don't know that for sure. I think Christa would respect Kenny for taking a beating for Clem in EP3.

    that does not mean she does not think he is mad.

    It doesn't really matter, though. In this fictional story, Wellington is a relatively safe place run by supposedly good people. It isn't a death sentence.

    driving somewhere that obviously does not exist is always a death sentence.

    to survive in this world you have to think rationally. just because it ended well this time, does not mean it was the right choice or will end well again next time. the right choice is what is best for the child. and best for the child is certainly not betting its live on some fantasies.

    Dragonleaf posted: »

    nobody treats him like the big bad wolf. everyone treat him like a bomb about to explode. Which ticks me off just as equally. Kenny

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