It's immature that you're asking for something optional to be removed because you don't want others to be able to choose something different to what you think is right.
You're suggesting that your view of the situation and your view of clementine is the only correct one and you're trying to make it so it's the ONLY one. That is immature, not respecting others' right to have an opinion and to choose something other than you.
Which action is immature? And I'm sorry for calling you a bully. What you said to me is really nothing compared to what others have said to … morepeople on this forum. There are lots of other members who have this same exact Clem opinion that I stated and people are now saying that I'm immature and that I'm the one who needs to grow up? I'm sure others have said the same to people with my same opinion, but no matter what our thoughts or opinions are, nobody in this community needs to "grow up" . We are supposed to be a family and we are supposed to listen to each others thoughts. We can disagree like a normal human-being, but lets not let community members down with our harsh vocabulary. @Flog61 , this doesn't only go to you of course, but the whole community really
The thing is, the situation Jane said to them- it was an accident that led to AJ's 'death'. It was a shit situation, surrounded by zombies after crashing a car in a storm you could barely see anywhere in. That's understandable, what isn't is Kenny saying Jane was a baby killer and going immediately for the kill on her. He was really unstable- and I'm not condoning what Jane did, but it proved her point though!
When Kenny came walking out of the storm I felt scared of what he was going to do, not relief. I liked the guy, but he flipped out over the slightest thing.
"Old Clem" probably couldn't survive in this world without a guardian watching over her (Lee).
Besides, you can pick what kind of moral choices Clem makes this season, so its mostly up to you what kind of person she becomes. I take it you're not happy with your choices then? Im pretty happy with #myclementine Thats the whole point everybody raises her like they think is right!
What the fuck? Excuse my language, but can you tell me exactly where I stated if that option could be removed? I am just stating what I think really. I just stated that in my opinion Clem wouldn't kill Kenny. That's simply it! You obviously have a different opinion and what can I do? I don't care....that's the whole point! I didn't ask for choice removal, I just stated my thought and that I simply don't like that option of killing Kenny. Please answer this question by the way, How am I not respecting others'? I would like to correct myself. I didn't ask anyone to change their opinion. If they agree, awesome! If they don't, awesome!
It's immature that you're asking for something optional to be removed because you don't want others to be able to choose something different… more to what you think is right.
You're suggesting that your view of the situation and your view of clementine is the only correct one and you're trying to make it so it's the ONLY one. That is immature, not respecting others' right to have an opinion and to choose something other than you.
What the fuck? Excuse my language, but can you tell me exactly where I stated if that option could be removed? I am just stating what I thin… morek really. I just stated that in my opinion Clem wouldn't kill Kenny. That's simply it! You obviously have a different opinion and what can I do? I don't care....that's the whole point! I didn't ask for choice removal, I just stated my thought and that I simply don't like that option of killing Kenny. Please answer this question by the way, How am I not respecting others'? I would like to correct myself. I didn't ask anyone to change their opinion. If they agree, awesome! If they don't, awesome!
Regarding Jane and Kenny, Jane has no regard for the baby's wellbeing and safety and merely wishes to have a legitimate situation wherein she can eliminate Kenny and gain Clementine's trust and this proves how cold and calculative she is. Kenny although mentally unstable and very aggressive at times seemed to be very affectionate towards the baby and protective of Clementine somewhat and was a solid survivor. Jane's true motives and character were still dubious to me and it felt illogical to side with her.
Here:
'This is literally my only complaint about the episode. Having that option.'
So you're saying there shouldn't even be the option. Which is immature for the reasons stated above.
Sadly I actually went that route in the game. At the time I was so overwhelmed emotionally about all the shit going on. I knew I had to do something, but I couldn't bear to shoot at Kenny so I looked away like a coward. Then he went as far as to kill Jane, who I later realized did a horrible thing but didn't totally realize it at the time. So I ended up shooting him because I was so distraught over the entire situation and I felt as if Kenny was unstable even though I know he's a good person and really cared, he's been through way too much loss and I didn't think I could do anymore for him. Looking back on it, I prolly did the wrong thing and got the most depressing ending, leaving Clementine alone, but I still stick by it since I guess in a way it feels the most realistic to me. Seeing Clem with tears in her eyes before shooting him in the head and then Kenny saying "do it" was the saddest thing ever to me. This is coming from someone who was too cowardly to even shoot Lee in the first season when he turned because of all the memories with him on that journey.
I hate that they even give you a choice (to shoot him) after you let Kenny kill Jane like wtf? Give me one goddamn reason why you wanna shoo… moret him? Kenny's haters is another story. but why even give us a choice to shoot him? like,um 2 seconds ago I just choose not to shoot him so
But Kenny wasn't the nutjob.. Jane was. Jane was the one who engineered the whole situation on purpose. Jane was the one who turned a simple… more fight into a death match. She was the one who rushed outside after Kenny and made it clear that she was going to kill him even when he was backing up and not engaging her. Yet Kenny gets shot just because he happens to win the fight? That's some tragic stuff.
If Kenny wasn't being an asshole throughout episode then the group wouldn't fall apart which wouldn't give Jane enough reason to start plotting about leaving Kenny too,Kenny the one who escalated the situation too far at the rest stop,even Jane already told him to back off before he started to go all apeshit crazy,which also she told him that outside the building,he's the fightmonger,no one know who supposed to be winning since Clementine intervened in the fight,Clementine shoot him because he's obviously lost his mind and trying to kill someone who turned out isn't a baby killer.
But Kenny wasn't the nutjob.. Jane was. Jane was the one who engineered the whole situation on purpose. Jane was the one who turned a simple… more fight into a death match. She was the one who rushed outside after Kenny and made it clear that she was going to kill him even when he was backing up and not engaging her. Yet Kenny gets shot just because he happens to win the fight? That's some tragic stuff.
Jane was trying to fight. When Kenny lost his shit, she didn't once try to stop it by telling him that AJ was OK. She just continued brawling with him.
Okay, Clementine did NOT murder anyone.
Murder and killing someone are two completely
different things.
Clementine believed that Kenn… morey was about to murder Jane over a complete accident. Kind of like with the stranger, correct? The stranger wasn't doing anything to Clem, but she shot him to save Lee. Just like she shoots Kenny to save Jane.
Kenny had no reason to believe that Jane killed the baby. He was just going with his gut, and he completely SNAPPED.
Jane wasn't trying to fight, she was trying to prove a point to Clem, which she succeeded. (or at least I understood afterwards)
I'm currently very angry with Jane, however, for making Kenny snap just so she could prove a point, and for bringing Clem in that position.
I went with her, though. But she still has a lot of making up to do.
If Kenny wasn't being an asshole throughout episode then the group wouldn't fall apart
Can you please list some examples?
The group got split apart because they didn't like how Kenny dealt with Arvo (in Mike's case anyway), and they did not want to go to Wellington with him. Not really a big deal. At least he tells Clem that he wants to try and make things work with the group. He says he wants everyone to stay together. (Talking about the conversation in the truck the night that Clem gets shot).
These reasons are not good enough to justify breaking/ fighting/ killing the man anyway.
Kenny the one who escalated the situation too far at the rest stop,even Jane already told him to back off before he started to go all apeshit crazy
Because she pretended to have killed his kid (accident or not). When he called B.S. on her, she threatened him instead of giving him an explanation to what could have happened. She was intentionally being shady. She wanted Kenny to attack her.
told him to back off before he started to go all apeshit crazy,which also she told him that outside the building
No, she never said that outside the building. She only tried to kill him... even when he was backing off.
Seriously, what do you think she said outside the building. She never tries to reason with him out there. She attacks him no matter what.
he's the fightmonger
No, he isn't. Jane was the one who instigated the whole fight. She wanted to fight him, and she set him up in a situation to fight. That was the entire point of the plan.
no one know who supposed to be winning since Clementine intervened in the fight
No clue what you mean by this.
Clementine shoot him because he's obviously lost his mind and trying to kill someone who turned out isn't a baby killer.
He was only trying to kill her because she was trying to kill him. He wasn't trying to kill her in the building. There is seriously no proof of it. All he did was pin her against the wall like he did to Mike back in episode three. Meanwhile, Jane indisputably escalated the fight by taking out her knife and trying to kill him. Even after she first slashed his stomach, she continued to try and run him down with her knife even though he clearly disengaged from the fight. There is no justification for killing Kenny when he was only fighting for his life at that point.
If Kenny wasn't being an asshole throughout episode then the group wouldn't fall apart which wouldn't give Jane enough reason to start plott… moreing about leaving Kenny too,Kenny the one who escalated the situation too far at the rest stop,even Jane already told him to back off before he started to go all apeshit crazy,which also she told him that outside the building,he's the fightmonger,no one know who supposed to be winning since Clementine intervened in the fight,Clementine shoot him because he's obviously lost his mind and trying to kill someone who turned out isn't a baby killer.
VERY good point. I didn't even think of that. I think Lee would've done the same as Kenny. If he was willing to kill a guy just for sleeping with his wife, he'd probably kill someone for killing Clem. Also, I'm not sure how everyone else interpreted it, but it seemed like Jane was acting like it wasn't an accident when she pretended AJ was dead. I thought she was acting like she killed him intentionally.
After replaying Season 1 and letting my Clem choose what to do with Lee, I 100% agree with this thread. She wouldn't shoot Lee, and I don't think she could/would shoot Kenny because he was about to kill Jane (a person she literally met a few days before.)
After replaying Season 1 and letting my Clem choose what to do with Lee, I 100% agree with this thread. She wouldn't shoot Lee, and I don't … morethink she could/would shoot Kenny because he was about to kill Jane (a person she literally met a few days before.)
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It's immature that you're asking for something optional to be removed because you don't want others to be able to choose something different to what you think is right.
You're suggesting that your view of the situation and your view of clementine is the only correct one and you're trying to make it so it's the ONLY one. That is immature, not respecting others' right to have an opinion and to choose something other than you.
The thing is, the situation Jane said to them- it was an accident that led to AJ's 'death'. It was a shit situation, surrounded by zombies after crashing a car in a storm you could barely see anywhere in. That's understandable, what isn't is Kenny saying Jane was a baby killer and going immediately for the kill on her. He was really unstable- and I'm not condoning what Jane did, but it proved her point though!
When Kenny came walking out of the storm I felt scared of what he was going to do, not relief. I liked the guy, but he flipped out over the slightest thing.
Well I didn't see it as murder.
"Old Clem" probably couldn't survive in this world without a guardian watching over her (Lee).
Besides, you can pick what kind of moral choices Clem makes this season, so its mostly up to you what kind of person she becomes. I take it you're not happy with your choices then? Im pretty happy with #myclementine
Thats the whole point everybody raises her like they think is right!
What the fuck? Excuse my language, but can you tell me exactly where I stated if that option could be removed? I am just stating what I think really. I just stated that in my opinion Clem wouldn't kill Kenny. That's simply it! You obviously have a different opinion and what can I do? I don't care....that's the whole point! I didn't ask for choice removal, I just stated my thought and that I simply don't like that option of killing Kenny. Please answer this question by the way, How am I not respecting others'? I would like to correct myself. I didn't ask anyone to change their opinion. If they agree, awesome! If they don't, awesome!
Here:
'This is literally my only complaint about the episode. Having that option.'
So you're saying there shouldn't even be the option. Which is immature for the reasons stated above.
Regarding Jane and Kenny, Jane has no regard for the baby's wellbeing and safety and merely wishes to have a legitimate situation wherein she can eliminate Kenny and gain Clementine's trust and this proves how cold and calculative she is. Kenny although mentally unstable and very aggressive at times seemed to be very affectionate towards the baby and protective of Clementine somewhat and was a solid survivor. Jane's true motives and character were still dubious to me and it felt illogical to side with her.
Yup. That's my complaint and opinion. I don't like that option. I didn't ask for it to be removed though....
Grow up please
Nice troll attempt with the 'grow up please'
I know that's your opinion, but it's a selfish one to have. Just because you think a certain way, you want everyone else to be limited.
It isn't even his baby though...
I know, I didn't mean it that way, I meant that he takes care of him.
Sadly I actually went that route in the game. At the time I was so overwhelmed emotionally about all the shit going on. I knew I had to do something, but I couldn't bear to shoot at Kenny so I looked away like a coward. Then he went as far as to kill Jane, who I later realized did a horrible thing but didn't totally realize it at the time. So I ended up shooting him because I was so distraught over the entire situation and I felt as if Kenny was unstable even though I know he's a good person and really cared, he's been through way too much loss and I didn't think I could do anymore for him. Looking back on it, I prolly did the wrong thing and got the most depressing ending, leaving Clementine alone, but I still stick by it since I guess in a way it feels the most realistic to me. Seeing Clem with tears in her eyes before shooting him in the head and then Kenny saying "do it" was the saddest thing ever to me. This is coming from someone who was too cowardly to even shoot Lee in the first season when he turned because of all the memories with him on that journey.
Biased though. We all take different things from that
Jane is still just a manipulative bitch. Kinda like TTG.
I love Clem just the way she is because her experiences shaped her into what she is.
If Kenny wasn't being an asshole throughout episode then the group wouldn't fall apart which wouldn't give Jane enough reason to start plotting about leaving Kenny too,Kenny the one who escalated the situation too far at the rest stop,even Jane already told him to back off before he started to go all apeshit crazy,which also she told him that outside the building,he's the fightmonger,no one know who supposed to be winning since Clementine intervened in the fight,Clementine shoot him because he's obviously lost his mind and trying to kill someone who turned out isn't a baby killer.
No bias here. I'm only talking about what actually happened.
Jane was trying to fight. When Kenny lost his shit, she didn't once try to stop it by telling him that AJ was OK. She just continued brawling with him.
Can you please list some examples?
The group got split apart because they didn't like how Kenny dealt with Arvo (in Mike's case anyway), and they did not want to go to Wellington with him. Not really a big deal. At least he tells Clem that he wants to try and make things work with the group. He says he wants everyone to stay together. (Talking about the conversation in the truck the night that Clem gets shot).
These reasons are not good enough to justify breaking/ fighting/ killing the man anyway.
Because she pretended to have killed his kid (accident or not). When he called B.S. on her, she threatened him instead of giving him an explanation to what could have happened. She was intentionally being shady. She wanted Kenny to attack her.
No, she never said that outside the building. She only tried to kill him... even when he was backing off.
Seriously, what do you think she said outside the building. She never tries to reason with him out there. She attacks him no matter what.
No, he isn't. Jane was the one who instigated the whole fight. She wanted to fight him, and she set him up in a situation to fight. That was the entire point of the plan.
No clue what you mean by this.
He was only trying to kill her because she was trying to kill him. He wasn't trying to kill her in the building. There is seriously no proof of it. All he did was pin her against the wall like he did to Mike back in episode three. Meanwhile, Jane indisputably escalated the fight by taking out her knife and trying to kill him. Even after she first slashed his stomach, she continued to try and run him down with her knife even though he clearly disengaged from the fight. There is no justification for killing Kenny when he was only fighting for his life at that point.
VERY good point. I didn't even think of that. I think Lee would've done the same as Kenny. If he was willing to kill a guy just for sleeping with his wife, he'd probably kill someone for killing Clem. Also, I'm not sure how everyone else interpreted it, but it seemed like Jane was acting like it wasn't an accident when she pretended AJ was dead. I thought she was acting like she killed him intentionally.
After replaying Season 1 and letting my Clem choose what to do with Lee, I 100% agree with this thread. She wouldn't shoot Lee, and I don't think she could/would shoot Kenny because he was about to kill Jane (a person she literally met a few days before.)
Exactly!
Clem is Clem
You make you're Clem how you want, Others will make her how they want.
Didn't kill him
LOOOOOL