They left in a horrible way, they should have said something, not tried to sneak away. Kenny was dangerous and unbalanced- so much so I shot him in the end.What Kenny was doing to Arvo as well, always giving him shit even though we told him to stop he wouldn't listen. I hate that Arvo shot me even though I never did anything wrong to him personally.
I did feel betrayed by Mike as well, and Bonnie always felt like she was giving hollow forgiveness to me, but they shouldn't have tried to do what they did.
If they just left, I wouldnt blame them. But they were abandoning their group, stealing their food, supplies, and truck. Not to mention They sided with a untrustworthy cunt who shot Clementine.. If I see them next season, I wont shoot them, instead I would tie their naked bodies to a tree, just high enough so the walkers could only reach halfway up their bodies, stick a wind chime from one of the branches and watch with binoculars from a distance as the walkers rip them to pieces...
Things I don't blame them for: Wanting to leave, pitying Arvo enough to take him with them, leaving Clementine when she got shot. (What were they going to do? Stay behind and have Kenny, the unstable guy who they knew cared for Clementine kill them? Because that's probably what they would have done.)
Things I blame them for: Taking all the supplies.
Things I blame Arvo and only Arvo for: Shooting Clementine.
Since Bonnie died in my canon play-though, I don't blame her...she got herself and Luke killed thanks to her bright idea and received the "Darwin award for most stupid course of action ever". (Even Luke knew it would break with Clem on it)
As for Mike and Arvo, I think it was clear that Mike didn't really care for Clem all that much. Otherwise, he would have asked her to join him and Arvo. I think if he was just running from Kenny and had taken half of the supplies and no truck, I would not really be upset at him. As it stands, he was leaving Clem and AJ to die from starvation....a baby and a child. In my view, you can't defend that no matter how you try to because they could have done something else.
They could have killed Kenny...I mean they showed that they were willing to kill Clem, why not Kenny?
They could have approached Clem and if she didn't agree to go, tie her up and take her.
They could have approached Jane and got her to help them get Clem out.
Too many other options existed for them to only go with the one that was the most backstabbing and underhanded. So....yeah I really blame Mike and Arvo for that crap they pulled.
I understand them leaving, and I don't hold it against them.
I don't understand them taking EVERYTHING that the group had, which would have ended up killing Clem, Jane, Kenny, and AJ. And they knew it. I do hold THAT against them.
I understand them leaving, and I don't hold it against them.
I don't understand them taking EVERYTHING that the group had, which would have ended up killing Clem, Jane, Kenny, and AJ. And they knew it. I do hold THAT against them.
It was Arvo´s group´s supplies, but Arvo´s group was dead so it was only ARVO´s supplies, so they were technically only stealing the truck, which doesn´t mean much, so i can forgive them.
It was Arvo´s group´s supplies, but Arvo´s group was dead so it was only ARVO´s supplies, so they were technically only stealing the truck, which doesn´t mean much, so i can forgive them.
I don't blame them for wanting to leave. It should be their right to leave whenever they felt like, taking a fair share of the supplies with them.
I do hold it against them that they were cowardly (sneaking out in the night) and greedy (taking all the supplies and the truck). Kenny is violent and yes, scary, but between Mike, Bonnie and Jane they should be able to handle him even if he got violent.
Supplies that he gave to the group in exchange for his life. Which he got to keep, despite Kenny's insistence. All they had to do was leave half and they'd be OK in my book.
It was Arvo´s group´s supplies, but Arvo´s group was dead so it was only ARVO´s supplies, so they were technically only stealing the truck, which doesn´t mean much, so i can forgive them.
The supplies might not be here nor there, if they'd left the truck- with the truck we could have gone to Howes (a 'day' away) or carried on to Wellington.
They were trying to take everything of real value, and that was low of them.
It was Arvo´s group´s supplies, but Arvo´s group was dead so it was only ARVO´s supplies, so they were technically only stealing the truck, which doesn´t mean much, so i can forgive them.
I don't blame them for being afraid, but robbing Kenny/Jane/Clem and trusting Arvo was a poor decision. They... probably could have thought that through better.
I never liked Bonnie ever since 400 days. Any thoughts of her redeeming herself have pretty much been destroyed, what with her and Mike and Arvo taking all the supplies and leaving a baby for dead too. Mike was the only one that kind of surprised me that did that. And because of what? Because they were afraid of Kenny? C'mon. Seriously fuck them.
I get why they ran off after Arvo shot Clementine. By the time Kenny came out to see what all the commotion was about, Arvo had already booked it, leaving Mike and Bonnie standing over Clem's body. Given what they'd seen from Kenny at that point, they might have thought that if they'd stuck around the scene of the crime any longer, Kenny may have tried to kill them both right there and then.
As far as stealing the truck goes? Eh, I'm not sure how to feel about that. It's either steal the truck or wade through the snow - I don't know, there's no half-measures there. But taking off with all of the supplies feels like the most blatantly spiteful move of the lot. They could have taken half the supplies so the others would still have a fighting chance. Instead they attempted to leave Clem and co. with nothing, which is as good as killing them.
Not really. I wanted to talk them into staying so that we could outvote Kenny if necessary. I was doing the thing I picked up from Lee, playing neutral until I'm forced to make a decision. If I could just talk to them for a moment, I could convince them we can head back south it's no problem. And then Arvo shot me...which I also understand, but am mad about. If I had my way Arvo would be put on hard labor or exiled, but....I had to wake up with the worst possible pair of Jane and Kenny, which instantly made me regret being so loyal.
I know it's not exactly irrefutable evidence, but you can say "That's everything we have!" to Mike. In response he just looks down at the floor with a guilty look on his face and doesn't say anything in response. I would have thought he'd mention it if he wasn't taking everything, especially since he's trying to defuse the situation.
EDIT: Oh, I just remembered. If Bonnie's still alive, she says "I've got the rest of it" as she's walking out with a second bag. I don't remember seeing a second bag if it's just Mike and Arvo by the truck, but he still doesn't refute that they're taking everything even if you pick the "That's everything" option.
I know it's not exactly irrefutable evidence, but you can say "That's everything we have!" to Mike. In response he just looks down at the fl… moreoor with a guilty look on his face and doesn't say anything in response. I would have thought he'd mention it if he wasn't taking everything, especially since he's trying to defuse the situation.
EDIT: Oh, I just remembered. If Bonnie's still alive, she says "I've got the rest of it" as she's walking out with a second bag. I don't remember seeing a second bag if it's just Mike and Arvo by the truck, but he still doesn't refute that they're taking everything even if you pick the "That's everything" option.
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They left in a horrible way, they should have said something, not tried to sneak away. Kenny was dangerous and unbalanced- so much so I shot him in the end.What Kenny was doing to Arvo as well, always giving him shit even though we told him to stop he wouldn't listen. I hate that Arvo shot me even though I never did anything wrong to him personally.
I did feel betrayed by Mike as well, and Bonnie always felt like she was giving hollow forgiveness to me, but they shouldn't have tried to do what they did.
I remember posting "#SaveMike" and "#SaveBonnie" before Episode 5 came out, but now......
KillMike
FuckMike
WeHateMike
NotATrueUrban
WouldNotEatTheShitOutOfThatRaccoon
KillBonnie
Junkie
Didn'tRedeemHerself
HerFaultLukeDied
IPreferSnakeToungeOverLobsterClaws
DestroyTeamBike
Mike I don't blame him. But captain save a hoe bonnie, yeah I blame her. Especially when she wanted to just leave me
If they just left, I wouldnt blame them. But they were abandoning their group, stealing their food, supplies, and truck. Not to mention They sided with a untrustworthy cunt who shot Clementine.. If I see them next season, I wont shoot them, instead I would tie their naked bodies to a tree, just high enough so the walkers could only reach halfway up their bodies, stick a wind chime from one of the branches and watch with binoculars from a distance as the walkers rip them to pieces...
episode 4: BONNIE! I MISSED U SO MUCH I LOVE U! MIKE IS SUCH A BADASS! #BIKE (MIKE + BONNIE)
episode 5: U MOTHERFUCKERS! EAT SHIT! WHY THE FUCK IN THE WORLD!
Things I don't blame them for: Wanting to leave, pitying Arvo enough to take him with them, leaving Clementine when she got shot. (What were they going to do? Stay behind and have Kenny, the unstable guy who they knew cared for Clementine kill them? Because that's probably what they would have done.)
Things I blame them for: Taking all the supplies.
Things I blame Arvo and only Arvo for: Shooting Clementine.
Since Bonnie died in my canon play-though, I don't blame her...she got herself and Luke killed thanks to her bright idea and received the "Darwin award for most stupid course of action ever". (Even Luke knew it would break with Clem on it)
As for Mike and Arvo, I think it was clear that Mike didn't really care for Clem all that much. Otherwise, he would have asked her to join him and Arvo. I think if he was just running from Kenny and had taken half of the supplies and no truck, I would not really be upset at him. As it stands, he was leaving Clem and AJ to die from starvation....a baby and a child. In my view, you can't defend that no matter how you try to because they could have done something else.
They could have killed Kenny...I mean they showed that they were willing to kill Clem, why not Kenny?
They could have approached Clem and if she didn't agree to go, tie her up and take her.
They could have approached Jane and got her to help them get Clem out.
Too many other options existed for them to only go with the one that was the most backstabbing and underhanded. So....yeah I really blame Mike and Arvo for that crap they pulled.
And fuck the Russkie.
I understand them leaving, and I don't hold it against them.
I don't understand them taking EVERYTHING that the group had, which would have ended up killing Clem, Jane, Kenny, and AJ. And they knew it. I do hold THAT against them.
This. Them taking all of the supplies was just bullshit.
It was Arvo´s group´s supplies, but Arvo´s group was dead so it was only ARVO´s supplies, so they were technically only stealing the truck, which doesn´t mean much, so i can forgive them.
"That's everything we have." They didn't have to take ALL of it.
I don't blame them for wanting to leave. It should be their right to leave whenever they felt like, taking a fair share of the supplies with them.
I do hold it against them that they were cowardly (sneaking out in the night) and greedy (taking all the supplies and the truck). Kenny is violent and yes, scary, but between Mike, Bonnie and Jane they should be able to handle him even if he got violent.
I dont blame them at all for leaving. I would have too if I were them.
Supplies that he gave to the group in exchange for his life. Which he got to keep, despite Kenny's insistence. All they had to do was leave half and they'd be OK in my book.
The supplies might not be here nor there, if they'd left the truck- with the truck we could have gone to Howes (a 'day' away) or carried on to Wellington.
They were trying to take everything of real value, and that was low of them.
I don't think I would have blamed them if they had killed Kenny, or let him have an 'accident'.
Or even just getting us all to leave Kenny behind with some supplies.
Or tie him up for the duration cause he was unstable until we found somewhere safe to go.
They had other options, I just wished they'd gone for one of those and not tried to sneak off.
I don't blame them for being afraid, but robbing Kenny/Jane/Clem and trusting Arvo was a poor decision. They... probably could have thought that through better.
Well they took all the food and sided with the guy that almost got us all killed.. So yeah I blame them.
Ok mr wolverine or french guy from Les Miserables...By the way your ass looked really toned in the X-men DOFP movie...just saying:)
I never liked Bonnie ever since 400 days. Any thoughts of her redeeming herself have pretty much been destroyed, what with her and Mike and Arvo taking all the supplies and leaving a baby for dead too. Mike was the only one that kind of surprised me that did that. And because of what? Because they were afraid of Kenny? C'mon. Seriously fuck them.
I get why they ran off after Arvo shot Clementine. By the time Kenny came out to see what all the commotion was about, Arvo had already booked it, leaving Mike and Bonnie standing over Clem's body. Given what they'd seen from Kenny at that point, they might have thought that if they'd stuck around the scene of the crime any longer, Kenny may have tried to kill them both right there and then.
As far as stealing the truck goes? Eh, I'm not sure how to feel about that. It's either steal the truck or wade through the snow - I don't know, there's no half-measures there. But taking off with all of the supplies feels like the most blatantly spiteful move of the lot. They could have taken half the supplies so the others would still have a fighting chance. Instead they attempted to leave Clem and co. with nothing, which is as good as killing them.
Are we really absolutely sure they took everything? We know Kenny and Jane didnt take anything but maybe that was just panic.
Not really. I wanted to talk them into staying so that we could outvote Kenny if necessary. I was doing the thing I picked up from Lee, playing neutral until I'm forced to make a decision. If I could just talk to them for a moment, I could convince them we can head back south it's no problem. And then Arvo shot me...which I also understand, but am mad about. If I had my way Arvo would be put on hard labor or exiled, but....I had to wake up with the worst possible pair of Jane and Kenny, which instantly made me regret being so loyal.
I know it's not exactly irrefutable evidence, but you can say "That's everything we have!" to Mike. In response he just looks down at the floor with a guilty look on his face and doesn't say anything in response. I would have thought he'd mention it if he wasn't taking everything, especially since he's trying to defuse the situation.
EDIT: Oh, I just remembered. If Bonnie's still alive, she says "I've got the rest of it" as she's walking out with a second bag. I don't remember seeing a second bag if it's just Mike and Arvo by the truck, but he still doesn't refute that they're taking everything even if you pick the "That's everything" option.
Okay, I just wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt lol
Bonnie basically told Clem to eff off. Kenny didn't.