Analyzing Luke's ridiculous death
So I put some thought into this and started to over-analyze, here's what resulted from what will most likely result in an inevitable stream of hate, so ere we go!
I understand stupid deaths in an apocalypse, they sometimes happen but then theres extremely avoidable ones which is lazy writing. First off lets just say this, I dont know who would go to help someone on cracked ice in the first place, (someone with a sever lack of common sense obviously), the best option is to cover luke and give him time, you can clearly see he's going to get out as long as he has time. Then Bonnie goes over like an ignorant bastard and breaks the ice, the fact that an adult goes over onto already weakened ice goes against any drop of intelligence a reasonable person would have.
Then there's the fact that Luke is a strong, thicker set person than Bonnie, therefore meaning the ice cold water wont affect him as much as Bonnie. He is larger and should also have a much larger surface area on his lungs due to an increased number of alveoli, which results in more efficient gaseous exchange and therefore having more oxygen in his body than Bonnie. Bonnie was a druggy as well and we can therefore infer that her respiratory and cardiovascular system isn't in the best shape, no way near as good as Luke's who seems to be an athlete compared to her. Bonnie also smokes, shown after losing Luke, she obviously hasn't just started so we can presume that she has carbon monoxide in her blood, resulting in the attachment between the hemoglobin and carbon monoxide, resulting in less efficient oxygen transport, therefore meaning she'll have even less oxygen in her body than Luke.So here's were we're at so far, Luke has more oxygen in his body, as well as fair amount of cardiac-hypertrophy as he seems very fit. He is less effected by the cold as well due to more muscle mass.
He can see Clementine smashing on the glass above him and therefore has no need to panic, he just needs to focus on remaining calm, instead he drowns, and then about 4 seconds later Bonnie comes out perfectly okay. That my friend is lazy writing, Luke had every single possible advantage over Bonnie, Clem can even shoot a hole for him to breath through and he doesnt try, but despite being against all odds, every single goddamn one of them, every single logical piece of evidence, Bonnie comes out barely gasping for air. That is ridiculous.
But if we go to help Luke he dies by being dragged to the bottom by a walker. But where exactly did this walker appear from!? Bonnie kills all of the walkers up top, and it is clearly evident that the walkers cant swim, as when clem kicks the zombie he sinks, so where did these mysterious 2 zombies come from? Bonnie was watching on op of the ice and the zombies cant swim, so there's no logic regarding how the zombies got to Clem and Luke. Again, incredibly lazy writing, I could kind of be okay with it if it were a Ben like character, but it was LUKE, one of the most influential badasses left alive in the group and the one character who would have fitted perfectly into season 3.
I may be wrong about the walkers ot being able to swim, but why would they then sink when Clem kicks one off? I'm positive Bonnie kills all of the walkers on top as well so I'm confused where the magical undead bastards came from
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I'd like for you to try and fall into a frozen river and see how easy it is to survive.
But yep, Luke should've been kept alive. So much potential.
Luke might not be good at holding his breath.
can people just play and enjoy the game? instead of analyzing every single detail?
Gotta agree with the fact that Bonnie stupidly walks onto the broken ice. If she just stayed back and helped cover Luke, he would have made it.
Luke's was the glue holding the group together. unfortunately his death was necessary for the advancement of the plot. If he survived mike and Bonnie wouldn't have wanted to leave, and a Jane vs Kenny situation would have been less likely with the other characters around. I liked Luke too, but the story must go on.
My problems aren't with the death itself, but the aftermath of it. Everyone brushed it off pretty quickly, including Clementine. She even looks happy once the fire is lit for her. Just a little out of character. Maybe it's her trying to remain calm in order to survive, but I dunno... I mean it was Luke!! Kind of a big deal
Eh, His death could have been better but it was no where near how bad Nicks death was...
I dont think he wouldve made it, he said he needed to rest for a little bit. Theyd run out of ammo and Luke would be eaten alive or theyd have too go over there and the ice would still crack.
It was just telltale's way to stop lexi.
What? im sorry but are you serious?
Most deaths in Season two like Sarahs arent cared about one bit, Luke is brought up several times afterwards and Clementine does feel bad, you cannot expect her to be mopping while she is freezing to death and finally warm afterwards. Luke is brought up by Kenny, Jane, Bonnie and Mike his death was not brushed off quickly compared to other characters.
I dunno. I managed to shoot all the walkers on the ice, and there didn't seem to be any more for a long ways.
I wish I coulda told him to just lower himself slowly and worm his way forwards instead of him taking that step. ;-;
well i'm sorry but come one, he saw Clementine breaking the ice above him, he shouldn't have panicked. But its not just the fact that he couldn't hold his breath, you've ignored all of my other points, probably because they're right. The walker who drags luke down comes from literally nowhere, I have no idea where it comes from but it defnitely cant swim and therefore could only come from above, where Bonnie had done a good job covering. Theres also the fact that he never should have fell in. No adult in that situation no matter how stupid would walk onto cracked, thin ice with another persons weight bearing on it and with that specific person telling them to go back and that he just needs time.
Luke was in the water for i'd say what 20 seconds? The 3 three's 3 minutes without oxygen, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food. Luke lasted 20 odd seconds and drowned...
I dont see your point though? You're saying that you think Luke's death was realistic? A fully grown man being able to hold his breath for 20 seconds, and not just that, use up all the oxygen in his body in just 20 seconds resulting in unconsciousness and death? But if its that difficult to survive how come Bonnie manages it, who has a history of smoking and drugs, as well as being much skinnier so the cold gets to her much more quickly. If Luke died then Bonnie 100% no matter what should have. It makes no sense for Bonnie to survive and for Luke not too.
But I really wish he had stayed, he was a ridiculously awesome character
-.- ahaha but the point is not only could he not hold his breath for 20 seconds, he was dead in about 20 seconds, which is a ridiculously quick death.
I think he wasn't focused on calming down. He was in a life or death situation, you tend to panic.
I dont feel he would have had to die, he could have been incapacitated for the night whilst recovering, then all the shit breaks loose, by the time Luke stirs awake Bonnie, Mike and Arvo have ran and Kenny is telling Luke they need to leave. NOW. Luke and kenny later get out the car together to look for diesel, end up at the rest stop, Luke is resting with his back to the wall, (hes very weak) with his leg outstretched when the fight breaks loose, Jane and Kenny cause a shelf to be knocked out of place, falling and knocking luke unconscious, the fight then takes place with Clementines choice being made, just as Kenny stabs jane or Clem kills Kenny Luke staggers out of the door exclaiming "wait...stop....." then our choice takes place..
just an idea dont hate me. With this method we end up being with 1 non-determinant character leading into season 3
Whacha think?
Just looked her up. What an absolute cu*t. The funny thing is i feel like they may actually have done this for that reason
Look at the top comment on this video:
could be BS but he says how his friend works at telltale and that they were scared about a lawsuit regarding cluke
Luke's death was a bit anti-climactic, but I liked it because he was the only character in Episode 5 who remained undeniably good up until the very end. Everyone else--Mike, Bonnie, Kenny, Jane. They all showed their true, ugly colors at one point or another. But not Luke. He died trying to keep Clem alive, either by convincing her to stay back from the ice or wrestling away a walker himself. There was no conflict or ambivalence about what his departure meant. It wasn't marred by violence or betrayal. The group lost a good person and that was that. It was a pure death.
Good idea, logical way he could fit into the choice actually
I will agree to that.
I'd have rather he stayed alive but one good thing I can say is that he was a good guy to the very end.
I suppose, but if he saw Clementine was just about to get him out you'd think he'd calm down a little, especially considering he's been so cool in other scenarios e.g. the bridge
Thanks, thought it out quite well and honestly like it a bit better, as for me, I would have let Jane die and then Kenny would have sacrificed himself to let Luke and Clem + AJ go to wellington, major feels but also happy because we're with Luke. A bitter sweet ending is the best because it leaves you torn between happiness and sadness rather than straight up depressing which the walking dead can often be
Another really stupid thing. The ice cracks a little beneath Clem and Luke tells her to go on, she's ok. Am I the only person that noticed Luke was pretty much following Clem step by step? I'm pretty sure he stepped on the same part of the ice that had started to crack beneath her. Nobody would do that yet they didn't show him change his path at all to avoid it.
This is true. I'm still not happy he died but either way he died like a hero and was truly good. And now I must cry... Seriously, his death has hit me harder than any for the very reasons you've given.
I will be severely pissed off if they killed off a character because of that stupid 5 year old run around. Always 1 that ruins it for the rest.
Very true, that always annoys me how Luke - a well built grown man died in about 10-20 seconds where as the small skinny woman manages to survive it. They say they want realism, then they must keep it realistic in the deaths!.
definitely BS that kid is like 12
also he mentioned his "leaked" (entirely bullshit/made up) choices were true so that made telltale change the game hahaha what a joke
the more important question at hand is why would you shower with cold water? xD no but on a serious note, dont forget the temperatures are sub-zero, so it's not a correct comparison, as you're goinng from a hot environment to a very cold one. Whereas Luke went from a vold one to a very cold one, i'm not saying it wouldn't have played a roll in his death, but I dont think it would have been as massive of a shock as you think it may have been.
omfg. I just looked at his channel xD yup complete bullshite ahahaha
Yeah I noticed that. I don't know, but I'm okay with that death. You fall into a freezing water, you get desoriented, all you see above you is ice, you try to break it with your fist, but you know it's impossible, start panicking and you use much more oxygen.
I'm fine with his death, I like that he was one of the really few people that died as a good person, I'm sad he died.
He was replaced by Jane, that's the most ridiculous thing
Im just sad he died in such a crap way
Well you are right..also if you cover for Luke why doesnt he simply come back from the hole that he fell in?? Why do you have to create another one for him in the ice?
I was confused when I saw Bonnie hop out fine too, she was under there for much longer than Luke; he dies and she comes out alive it doesn't make sense;/. Would the fact that Luke was beaten by Carver, and fatigued have a role to play in why he couldn't survive longer than Bonnie? (Im not saying it would I was just curious?) C:
Is it just me or does The Cabin Group in general have ridiculous deaths?
Well it's a possibility but Luke seemed to be in perfect shape way before the ice incident. He had sex with Jane which would have made him feel a lot brighter as well xD. But to answer your point, no, luke still seemed very well fed and in great condition, you must remember Bonnie is a smoker, and ex drug addict and very thin, I just dont understand how she can physically out compete luke in regard to survival of the fittest, unless its cross country running.
Yeah, I have no idea how he ended up that far away from where he fell in. Also dont forget that Luke stepped on ice that broke just with his weight on it, but of course Luke comes up under the thickest piece of ice not even several pistol whips and a bullet can break whilst holding clems weight as well, its stupid. If I were in clems situation i would have pointed him back over to the hole, he could have swum it easily
I don't see why people think his death was ridiculous at all. It's quite a horrible way to go.
anyway, going back to the point, Bonnie falls into the same conditions, and the point i'm making is that if Luke couldn't survive in those conditions for that amount of time, there's no logical way Bonnie could have outlasted him, he has every possible advantage over her but she just strolls on out
I was just about to say this:
Bonnie falls into the same conditions, and the point i'm making is that if Luke couldn't survive in those conditions for that amount of time, there's no logical way Bonnie could have outlasted him, he has every possible advantage over her but she just strolls on out. It makes no sense for Bonnie to survive in those conditions and Luke not to. If they both drowned then okay i guess, but its ridiculous Bonnie survives. Also, dont forget the cliche moment where luke steps on a patch of ice that cant support his weight, but the piece of ice where Luke arrives can support Clems weight, gunshots and pistol whips as well as Luke beating it from the other side.
I think if I was in clems situation I would have tried to guide him back to the hole, it probably would have been his best chance and could have made the swim in time