The thing is, Lee died a long time ago, therefore it's not easy for the rest of the group, Clementine isn't Lee, she can't do everything Lee does, that's why it was a "chose who to live" decision, because Clementine does not have the skill to be able to break it up.
Lee would've killed Kenny. Anyone who is smart would've killed Kenny. He just lost it, he looked like a crazy psycho murderer when he fights Jane. He looks more evil than Nate himself!
Lee would probably have been able to hold them back. He isn't a 11 year old girl so they couldn't have just shoved him out of the way and ignore him. No matter how dangerous Jane thought Kenny would get Lee would be able to handle it so Jane wouldn't have felt the need to do what she did.
Bitch Jane= Implying Jane was the one who almost killed Arvo, implying that Arvo isn't alive because of her (She talked Kenny into sparing h… moreim multiple times), impying that she didn't teach Clem a lot, implying Ken was not a total bitch in season 2 (and he could have been in S1 too)
Other people have lost their families too, Nick lost his mom (also Pete's sister), everyone's probably lost family, Carlos probably lost his wife, thus his overly caring nature for Sarah, everyone has been through tons of shit, it's been 2 years, you can't just forgive Kenny because he lost his wife and child when plenty of other people have lost their families too.
About the second chances thing with Kenny. Yeah he's had a lot of them given to him but he's also the single character in the game who has h… moread THE most shit (that we know about) thrown at him. I'm not a diehard Kenny fan either. I was shocked to see him back and disgusted/disturbed by how he treated Clem hot and cold all season but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also agree that Lee would have shot Kenny.
Reminder that Lee's biggest wish was to find a safe place for Clem to live, and Kenny delivers her to bloody Wellington at the expense of hi… mores own safety and possibly life.
What Lee would have really done is exactly what Kenny did in his ending, which is to make Clem and AJ stay at Wellington so they can be safe.
Not like Jane put Alvin in a fucking cold icy car! God these people. I reallly want Telltale to kill off Jane at the start of S3 if she's in it, maybe Kenny too, would be awful but atleast we won't have over-zealous carley fans 2.0 trying to make themselves look superior.
My lee would have skinned Arvo and forced Clem to wear the "Arvo-Suit". After that he would stare her straight in the eyes and say "You are boy now" in a thick fake russian accent.
Jane: But Kenny got you killed Lee! He was the one who suggested you should steal the supplies which made the stranger kidnap Clem which got you killed! However I saved Clem multiple times and I came back for the group! Kenny got Clem in danger by giving her the radio, she could've got her face smashed in by Carver! I was the one who taught Clem new tricks and I saved Sarah and Luke. I also saved Kenny from Vitali. I opened the gift shop with my nail file which made everyone safe! I ran to get Clem while she was drowning in the icy cold water and ran back and made a fire WITH MY nailfile! I saved the group from Troy because I was the only one who had a gun and was smart enough to trick Troy so I can shoot him. I also made the plan so they could escape from Carvers lair!
Lee: Oh you are right, Fuck you Kenny. Shoots Kenny
Lee: Lets go Jane, its over
Lee, Clem, Jane and the baby all walk away in the beautiful sunset.
My Lee when Kenny was about to knife Jane:
Jane: Clementine.... help me! Lee, please!
Lee: You killed a baby, Jane. What Kenny has to do now is exactly what I'd do if you killed my sweet pea.
This is the #1 stupidest argument for shooting Kenny and I've seen a few people use it before.
What they all seem to forget is that Lee was a fluent chararacter controlled by the player. He never had one set personality; he can be TWDG's biggest diplomat or biggest d!ck both.
Also, the point of Clementine's flashback was exactly that; to show you how Lee felt on the issue of "the right choice" "he doesn't know"
Lee was neutral and would have done what the player wanted, just like Clementine.
If Lee would've shot Kenny ,then...
Why didn't Lee shoot Lilly after she killed one of our group members ...? Instead of "leave" or "take her" option...
Wait I'm not sure which Arvo your talking about. Is he a good guy in your game because in my game he shot me! Jane is a bitch because the way she stood up to Kenny. First she gets him angry by making fun of his family, then she pretends to kill one of the people he loves the most and taunts him into a fight!
Lee didn't mean that growing up means everyone should become a murderer.
He meant that shooting Kenny was the right thing to do. Kenny wa… mores driven mad by his losses, and he was about to murder Jane based on assumptions. Lee wanted Clem to do the right thing for Kenny, which was stop him from becoming a monster. By shooting Kenny, he died still a good man and Clem could remember him that way.
Lee would not have stood by and let Kenny and Clem become murderers. A lot of people talk about Kenny vs Jane, but really the big questions are whether your Clem become a murderer and whether she still has enough humanity and morality to raise AJ.
Lee would've killed Kenny. Anyone who is smart would've killed Kenny. He just lost it, he looked like a crazy psycho murderer when he fights Jane. He looks more evil than Nate himself!
Lee would've killed Kenny. Anyone who is smart would've killed Kenny. He just lost it, he looked like a crazy psycho murderer when he fights Jane. He looks more evil than Nate himself!
That's exactly what we are saying!! You pulled the trigger to kill Kenny. You intended to murder him. If you hate murder then let Kenny do it if it means taking out all his anger and returning to his normal self!
It was a fight to the death, and you know it. Neither of them were willing to back down by the end of it.
If Jane was on top of Kenny at the end, would it be any different?
They were both wrong, there's no victim there.
That's exactly what we are saying!! You pulled the trigger to kill Kenny. You intended to murder him. If you hate murder then let Kenny do it if it means taking out all his anger and returning to his normal self!
Jane and Kenny are both insane. Jane was trying to show Clementine that Kenny is broken. that kenny will get everyone killed with his behavior. but the plan that she had was insane, she hide the baby and told Kenny that it was an accident. She knew what Kenny would do, and she did all that just to prove to clementine that hes insane.
Wait I'm not sure which Arvo your talking about. Is he a good guy in your game because in my game he shot me! Jane is a bitch because the wa… morey she stood up to Kenny. First she gets him angry by making fun of his family, then she pretends to kill one of the people he loves the most and taunts him into a fight!
Lee would've killed Kenny. Anyone who is smart would've killed Kenny. He just lost it, he looked like a crazy psycho murderer when he fights Jane. He looks more evil than Nate himself!
he would've beaten the shit outta Kenny and he would've beaten the shit out of jane... he would've solve that like a damn wise man... knock some sense into both fuckers.
Good people do bad things. He is referring to Kenny and Jane specifically IMO. They were good people who did bad things, that doesn't make one wrong and one right in the end.
This is the #1 stupidest argument for shooting Kenny and I've seen a few people use it before.
What they all seem to forget is that Lee w… moreas a fluent chararacter controlled by the player. He never had one set personality; he can be TWDG's biggest diplomat or biggest d!ck both.
Also, the point of Clementine's flashback was exactly that; to show you how Lee felt on the issue of "the right choice" "he doesn't know"
Lee was neutral and would have done what the player wanted, just like Clementine.
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The thing is, Lee died a long time ago, therefore it's not easy for the rest of the group, Clementine isn't Lee, she can't do everything Lee does, that's why it was a "chose who to live" decision, because Clementine does not have the skill to be able to break it up.
Lee would've killed Kenny. Anyone who is smart would've killed Kenny. He just lost it, he looked like a crazy psycho murderer when he fights Jane. He looks more evil than Nate himself!
Lee would probably have been able to hold them back. He isn't a 11 year old girl so they couldn't have just shoved him out of the way and ignore him. No matter how dangerous Jane thought Kenny would get Lee would be able to handle it so Jane wouldn't have felt the need to do what she did.
Jane is a bitch because she dared to stand up to Kenny. Don't you get it?
Other people have lost their families too, Nick lost his mom (also Pete's sister), everyone's probably lost family, Carlos probably lost his wife, thus his overly caring nature for Sarah, everyone has been through tons of shit, it's been 2 years, you can't just forgive Kenny because he lost his wife and child when plenty of other people have lost their families too.
If lee were there Wellington would be unnecessary. Clem would already be safe.
"his actions wouldve put Alvin JR in danger."
HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Not like Jane put Alvin in a fucking cold icy car! God these people. I reallly want Telltale to kill off Jane at the start of S3 if she's in it, maybe Kenny too, would be awful but atleast we won't have over-zealous carley fans 2.0 trying to make themselves look superior.
My lee would have skinned Arvo and forced Clem to wear the "Arvo-Suit". After that he would stare her straight in the eyes and say "You are boy now" in a thick fake russian accent.
the internet has ruined me ;_;
My Lee when Kenny was about to knife Jane:
Jane: Clementine.... help me! Lee, please!
Lee: You killed a baby, Jane. What Kenny has to do now is exactly what I'd do if you killed my sweet pea.
Jane: But Kenny got you killed Lee! He was the one who suggested you should steal the supplies which made the stranger kidnap Clem which got you killed! However I saved Clem multiple times and I came back for the group! Kenny got Clem in danger by giving her the radio, she could've got her face smashed in by Carver! I was the one who taught Clem new tricks and I saved Sarah and Luke. I also saved Kenny from Vitali. I opened the gift shop with my nail file which made everyone safe! I ran to get Clem while she was drowning in the icy cold water and ran back and made a fire WITH MY nailfile! I saved the group from Troy because I was the only one who had a gun and was smart enough to trick Troy so I can shoot him. I also made the plan so they could escape from Carvers lair!
Lee: Oh you are right, Fuck you Kenny. Shoots Kenny
Lee: Lets go Jane, its over
Lee, Clem, Jane and the baby all walk away in the beautiful sunset.
The End
Lee would knock the old timer down peg like he did before.
This is the #1 stupidest argument for shooting Kenny and I've seen a few people use it before.
What they all seem to forget is that Lee was a fluent chararacter controlled by the player. He never had one set personality; he can be TWDG's biggest diplomat or biggest d!ck both.
Also, the point of Clementine's flashback was exactly that; to show you how Lee felt on the issue of "the right choice" "he doesn't know"
Lee was neutral and would have done what the player wanted, just like Clementine.
well said
Because what was done was done. There was nobody to save at that point. Shooting Kenny will save Jane.
Wait I'm not sure which Arvo your talking about. Is he a good guy in your game because in my game he shot me! Jane is a bitch because the way she stood up to Kenny. First she gets him angry by making fun of his family, then she pretends to kill one of the people he loves the most and taunts him into a fight!
You just contradicted yourself. If Lee didn't want Clementine to be a murderer then why would you murder his friend Kenny?
Yeah, I don't get why people call Kenny a murderer for killing Jane, yet when someone kills him it's apparently not murder.
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So lets say that Kenny was trying to murder Molly. Would Lee let Kenny murder Molly? I think not.
Jane was trying to kill Kenny. There is no way around it. Sucks for her that she couldn't win. Doesn't mean Kenny should die for it.
Its just a subjective view.. doesn't really matter.
WWLD - What Would Lee Do?
It was a fight to the death, and you know it. Neither of them were willing to back down by the end of it.
If Jane was on top of Kenny at the end, would it be any different?
They were both wrong, there's no victim there.
So you're judging who's right and wrong by looks?
Of couse he looks scary, he's got a mangled eye which Jane was clawing at and punching during the fight.
Apparently I'm not smart? Awesome, good to know.
That's exactly what we are saying!! You pulled the trigger to kill Kenny. You intended to murder him. If you hate murder then let Kenny do it if it means taking out all his anger and returning to his normal self!
If it means not killing Kenny then yeah. Yeah he would!
Im just trying to understand how many/who Kenny fans are ready to let their Kenny murder, until they think he has gone too far.
So you actually dont have any moral values or logic/rationality behind your decisions, you are just blindly following Kenny, no matter what he does.
Lee would've killed him if he witnessed the continuous actions of Kenny.
Clementine is better off. Kenny is insane.
"If Lee was here...what do you think he would say?"
"That there's a chair over there."
So basically Kenny is a vampire. He needs to kill something to be normal for a moment.
Jane clearly stated that she wont back down. It was up to Kenny to cool down and let it go.
Jane and Kenny are both insane. Jane was trying to show Clementine that Kenny is broken. that kenny will get everyone killed with his behavior. but the plan that she had was insane, she hide the baby and told Kenny that it was an accident. She knew what Kenny would do, and she did all that just to prove to clementine that hes insane.
Would if provoked. Kenny is not his "best friend" or anything.
Nice going telling people that they're dumb because they made a different choice than you. You're a real friendly guy, aren't you?
with Lee still around, nothing of that would've happend.
I'm not saying he was right for doing it, but neither is Jane.
Killing is killing no matter what.
Exactly. Lee says in the dream/flashback that:
Good people do bad things. He is referring to Kenny and Jane specifically IMO. They were good people who did bad things, that doesn't make one wrong and one right in the end.