So she putting the knife away, and telling to not come near her, is her way to invite Kenny into a fight?
Yes. There isn't another e… morexplanation that makes sense... for reasons I have already explained.
And you can look over and over again this scene, where she is on ground and as soon as Kenny sees that, he is charging at her and most likely would have pinned her to the ground, if the knife wouldnt have
That isn't charging someone... he just got up off the ground and maybe took a step towards her. He didn't try and jump on her. He stood completely upright before getting slashed, though its kind of hard to see in your GIF because its sped up. It just really seems like you're exaggerating a bit.
It honestly doesn't really matter either way I guess, not sure why we're even debating whether he "charged" her or not. Again, Jane wanted that fight. So basically she goaded him into a fight, and was willing to kill him if it ca… [view original content]
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.
Why would siding with Kenny make him zombify more quickly?
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
Didn't mean to ignore what you were saying, I just didn't understand what you were getting at. That's a fair point actually.
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Act… moreually, in the case that you side with Kenny, aren't you too busy pulling Lilly away to even notice Larry anyway? You never get the same view that you do if you decided to help Lilly with CPR.
This is the #1 stupidest argument for shooting Kenny and I've seen a few people use it before.
What they all seem to forget is that Lee w… moreas a fluent chararacter controlled by the player. He never had one set personality; he can be TWDG's biggest diplomat or biggest d!ck both.
Also, the point of Clementine's flashback was exactly that; to show you how Lee felt on the issue of "the right choice" "he doesn't know"
Lee was neutral and would have done what the player wanted, just like Clementine.
Maybe you should check your depth of vision, because on that clip, Kenny quickly gets as he sees Jane on ground and rushed towards Jane.
… moreAt this point the fight escalated even more and Kenny still didnt want to back off, while they were outside (Jane said "just go" and kenny disagreed)
Maybe you should check your depth of vision, because on that clip, Kenny quickly gets as he sees Jane on ground and rushed towards Jane.
Like I said, we can debate about it all we want, but its kind of irrelevant. Jane was the one who wanted the fight. She knew what she was getting into. I can't possibly justify her use of lethal force just because she found herself at a disadvantage in a fight that she purposely put herself in.
At this point the fight escalated even more and Kenny still didnt want to back off, while they were outside (Jane said "just go" and kenny disagreed)
Just because Kenny refused to run away that means Jane should be justified in trying to kill him? Why should he just abandon Clem because Jane is trying to scare him off?
The fact remains that Kenny wasn't attacking her at this point. Jane could have used this time to admit that AJ was still alive, and everything could have been fine. She could have tried to rationalize. She had already "proven" her point.
Maybe you should check your depth of vision, because on that clip, Kenny quickly gets as he sees Jane on ground and rushed towards Jane.
… moreAt this point the fight escalated even more and Kenny still didnt want to back off, while they were outside (Jane said "just go" and kenny disagreed)
And if you beg Kenny to stop and hear Jane out he says "I'm done talking" and shoves Clem aside. This shows the detrimental factor in the fight regarding your actions.
But he pushes Clem out of the way for a different reason. He doesn't push her out of the way so he can go attack Jane. Jane attacks him no matter what... even though she clearly had an opportunity to end the fight.
I think none of this matters because Kenny started the fight and I thought it was very obvious that nothing but Jane's death would satisfy him. Once again assuming shit and acting on it like the stubborn bull he's always been.
Kind of funny that you're criticizing him for assuming something about Jane, and yet here you are assuming something about Kenny.
And if you beg Kenny to stop and hear Jane out he says "I'm done talking" and shoves Clem aside. This shows the detrimental factor in the f… moreight regarding your actions. If you try and stop Kenny he shows him in a bad light. If you try and stop Jane it shows her in a bad light. Showing that Telltale was looking to give you a chance of seeing how you decide who was in the right in that moment during the fight.
I think none of this matters because Kenny started the fight and I thought it was very obvious that nothing but Jane's death would satisfy him. Once again assuming shit and acting on it like the stubborn bull he's always been.
And if you beg Kenny to stop and hear Jane out he says "I'm done talking" and shoves Clem aside. This shows the detrimental factor in the fi… moreght regarding your actions.
But he pushes Clem out of the way for a different reason. He doesn't push her out of the way so he can go attack Jane. Jane attacks him no matter what... even though she clearly had an opportunity to end the fight.
I think none of this matters because Kenny started the fight and I thought it was very obvious that nothing but Jane's death would satisfy him. Once again assuming shit and acting on it like the stubborn bull he's always been.
Kind of funny that you're criticizing him for assuming something about Jane, and yet here you are assuming something about Kenny.
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.'
How can you safely assume that when you can't even see if Larry takes that "breath" or not in that instance?
Why would siding with Kenny make him zombify more quickly?
It wouldn't. Not sure why you think I'm saying that.
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
But again, we can't see if he takes that breath or not in the instance of pulling Lilly away from Larry. All we see is Kenny raising up the saltlick and then smashing it down on Larry's head. We don't have a view of Larry's body. For all we know Larry still took that same "breath".
So it still isn't really possible to ascertain if he would have lived a little while longer in that situation or not.
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.
Why would siding with Kenny make … morehim zombify more quickly?
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
Thus, it wasn't necessary.
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.
Why would siding with Kenny make … morehim zombify more quickly?
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
Thus, it wasn't necessary.
So Kenny being angry and broken justifies everything he does? Clearly you think so, so whats the point of argue with you, since you clearly dont care what Kenny does, because you see everything Kenny does as morally right decision.
Was the Stranger kidnapping Clementine and causing the death of Lee justified, just because he was broken and crazy, like Kenny?
Maybe you should check your depth of vision, because on that clip, Kenny quickly gets as he sees Jane on ground and rushed towards Jane.
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Like I said, we can debate about it all we want, but its kind of irrelevant. Jane was the one who wanted the fight. She knew what she was getting into. I can't possibly justify her use of lethal force just because she found herself at a disadvantage in a fight that she purposely put herself in.
At this point the fight escalated even more and Kenny still didnt want to back off, while they were outside (Jane said "just go" and kenny disagreed)
Just because Kenny refused to run away that means Jane should be justified in trying to kill him? Why should he just abandon Clem because Jane is trying to scare him off?
The fact remains that Kenny wasn't attacking her at this point. Jane could have used this time to admit that AJ was still alive, and everything could have been fine. She could have tried to rationalize. She had already "proven" her point.
But whether we see it or not in that circumstance is completely irrelevant. I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it...
Ok so:
There's no reason why helping Kenny would speed up the rate of zombification. We know that this would have taken the same time regardless of these circumstances.
We also know that when Lee helps Lily, he can revive Larry.
So:
When Lee has to make the choice, Larry IS revivable. If we choose to help Lilly, he breathes.
Therefore, Kenny arguing we HAVE to kill Larry before the decision happens is incorrect. We do not have to, there is no necessity.
Due to the fact that we CAN revive him if we DON'T help Kenny proves that choosing to kill him is NOT 100% necessary.
You seem to be arguing that since we can't see the body when Kenny kills Larry, he could easily be reanimating, and therefore it is necessary if you help Kenny.
But that doesn't make sense as an argument to why it's NECESSARY at the point of making the decision, does it?
It may seem that way to you at that time with no metagaming, but we know that is incorrect. At that specific time, you can make a choice that allows you to revive Larry.
Refusing to revive him because it's necessary to kill him doesn't make any sense.
If Kenny had waited, Larry would have been revived. That proves that at the time of making the split decision, Larry is savable, and thus that killing him is not necessary.
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.'
How can you safely assume t… morehat when you can't even see if Larry takes that "breath" or not in that instance?
Why would siding with Kenny make him zombify more quickly?
It wouldn't. Not sure why you think I'm saying that.
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
But again, we can't see if he takes that breath or not in the instance of pulling Lilly away from Larry. All we see is Kenny raising up the saltlick and then smashing it down on Larry's head. We don't have a view of Larry's body. For all we know Larry still took that same "breath".
So it still isn't really possible to ascertain if he would have lived a little while longer in that situation or not.
You're confusing justifiable homicide with murder.
When you shoot someone to stop a murder, you're not a murderer. You're defending that person. It's called justifiable homicide, which is a different type of killing from murder. This is why when cops shoot someone who is attacking someone, it's not murder. Murder is a specific type of killing that is unlawful malice, which is not what justifiable homicide is.
But whether we see it or not in that circumstance is completely irrelevant. I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it...
Its very relevant though. Because.. for all we know Larry could have done the exact same thing as he did in the case of helping Lilly. There is no way to know if we couldn't even see the body.
There's no reason why helping Kenny would speed up the rate of zombification. We know that this would have taken the same time regardless of these circumstances.
I still don't understand why you're bringing up speeding up the rate of reanimation. I don't know why you think I'm implying siding with Kenny speeds up the rate of reanimation. Obviously that isn't very realistic.
When Lee has to make the choice, Larry IS revivable. If we choose to help Lilly, he breathes. Therefore, Kenny arguing we HAVE to kill Larry before the decision happens is incorrect. We do not have to, there is no necessity.
But what are you basing that on if we don't actually have any way of knowing whether or not Larry was truly alive or just reanimating. Like I said before, Larry still could have made the same mouth gesture in the event that you pull Lilly off of Larry. Him making the mouth gesture isn't necessarily dependent on pushing on his chest. He could have done the same thing even in the event of pulling Lilly off of Larry for all we know (still don't understand why you think this is irrelevant).
You seem to be arguing that since we can't see the body when Kenny kills Larry, he could easily be reanimating, and therefore it is necessary if you help Kenny.
Nah, I was only arguing that Larry could have done the same exact movement that we see when helping Lilly. There is no way for us to see Larry, so there is no way for us to know if he moved/breathed/reanimated in that situation or not.
I wasn't talking about it being necessary to take either side. I'm just saying there is no possible way to ascertain what Larry is doing in the event of helping Kenny... considering we can't see him. This is really the main reason why its impossible to say that Larry was revived in the instance of helping Lilly. I don't understand how you can say that Larry was for alive and breathing when there isn't really a way to prove that.
Again, can you explain what you mean in terms of reanimating faster? This may be the reason why we're not understanding eachother..
But whether we see it or not in that circumstance is completely irrelevant. I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it...
Ok so:
… more There's no reason why helping Kenny would speed up the rate of zombification. We know that this would have taken the same time regardless of these circumstances.
We also know that when Lee helps Lily, he can revive Larry.
So:
When Lee has to make the choice, Larry IS revivable. If we choose to help Lilly, he breathes.
Therefore, Kenny arguing we HAVE to kill Larry before the decision happens is incorrect. We do not have to, there is no necessity.
Due to the fact that we CAN revive him if we DON'T help Kenny proves that choosing to kill him is NOT 100% necessary.
You seem to be arguing that since we can't see the body when Kenny kills Larry, he could easily be reanimating, and therefore it is necessary if you help Kenny.
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Honestly my Lee was Bros wit Kenny but I'll admit my Lee would kill Kenny and after he finds out Jane lied about the baby he would leave her ass like he did with Lilly!!!!
But if he was in situation that he had to shoot Kenny in order to save Jane, he would have done it. Lee had killed someone in anger, and he understood that he did wrong, he wouldnt have let Kenny repeat his mistake.
My Lee was morally righteous, and definitely had Kenny on his side. My Lee would not have shot Kenny because he would have understood what K… moreenny was going through, and he would understand that Jane was the one who escalated the fight. Realistically Lee wouldn't have shot either of the two. He likely would have been able to separate them.
Would if she deserved it, once Kenny starts killing innocent people without explanation, that he's never met before, then we'll shoot kenny, Okay? It's a choice for a reason, people are ngonna choose different things.
So umm... is there a reason why this has nothing to do with what I said? Just curious. I guess I wouldn't mind completely jumping topics... but it would have been nice for you to address what I had said in some fashion... because I really don't know where you're going with this.
So Kenny being angry and broken justifies everything he does? Clearly you think so, so whats the point of argue with you, since you clearly … moredont care what Kenny does, because you see everything Kenny does as morally right decision.
Was the Stranger kidnapping Clementine and causing the death of Lee justified, just because he was broken and crazy, like Kenny?
But whether we see it or not in that circumstance is completely irrelevant. I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it...
Ok so:
… more There's no reason why helping Kenny would speed up the rate of zombification. We know that this would have taken the same time regardless of these circumstances.
We also know that when Lee helps Lily, he can revive Larry.
So:
When Lee has to make the choice, Larry IS revivable. If we choose to help Lilly, he breathes.
Therefore, Kenny arguing we HAVE to kill Larry before the decision happens is incorrect. We do not have to, there is no necessity.
Due to the fact that we CAN revive him if we DON'T help Kenny proves that choosing to kill him is NOT 100% necessary.
You seem to be arguing that since we can't see the body when Kenny kills Larry, he could easily be reanimating, and therefore it is necessary if you help Kenny.
But that doesn't make sense as an argument to why it's NECESSAR… [view original content]
Well Kenny didnt know if she deserved to die, Kenny just wanted her dead because he assumed that she had killed AJ and was blinded in anger. There is a reason you can shoot Kenny if he murders Jane. Clem finally realizes what a monster Kenny has become and even he says "do it. Just, Just do it".
If you are going kill someone, make sure he/she deserves it first. If you are unable to do so, you are just a murderer, and thats exaclty what Kenny is.
Can you imagine how cops would just keep killing every suspect until there were no one left...
Would if she deserved it, once Kenny starts killing innocent people without explanation, that he's never met before, then we'll shoot kenny, Okay? It's a choice for a reason, people are ngonna choose different things.
But if he was in situation that he had to shoot Kenny in order to save Jane, he would have done it. Lee had killed someone in anger, and he understood that he did wrong, he wouldnt have let Kenny repeat his mistake.
From the start, Kenny was going to murder Jane, the fact that Jane actually fought back doesnt change that. After awhile, they both tried to kill each other, but after Kenny stabbed her to the leg, she was downed and Kenny went for the kill. (im pretty annoyed that the writers just forgot that she got stabbed to the leg, and let her walk normally after the fight ends).
From my perspective, to that point Kenny had done more wrong overall and Jane was better option if Clementine wanted to stay alive.
Like ive said before, Kenny trying to kill Jane is like trying to kill random man in your house, just because you believed your wife was having affair with him.
Well Kenny didnt know if she deserved to die, Kenny just wanted her dead because he assumed that she had killed AJ and was blinded in anger.… more There is a reason you can shoot Kenny if he murders Jane. Clem finally realizes what a monster Kenny has become and even he says "do it. Just, Just do it".
If you are going kill someone, make sure he/she deserves it first. If you are unable to do so, you are just a murderer, and thats exaclty what Kenny is.
Can you imagine how cops would just keep killing every suspect until there were no one left...
But Kenny cares about Clem more then anything! He wouldn't ever hit her. Jane was jealous and that's why she did what she did, she didn't do it to protect Clementine because Clementine wasn't in any danger with Kenny!
Jane did that because she wanted to take care of Clementine, and she knew that Kenny and she would go seperate ways. She needed to get Clem … morejoin her, since she thought that Kenny would just turn into Carver 2.0 and she didnt want Clem to be around Kenny when that would happen.
Solving crimes would be so easy. Find suspect, kill them and find more suspects until you cant find any. A brother dies? Kill his family just to make sure, some cousins also and other people related to him. Then start to kill his co-workers.
Jane was ready to kill Kenny too. There was no stopping it. There wasn't a choice to stop the fight and since it is the kind of fight Jane wanted then she deserved to die. She even admits that she knew Kenny would kill her. I let her have the satisfaction of being right!
Well she said "He's..." while almost crying (acting ofc).
After that Kenny went outside and immediately tried to punch her the second he ca… moreme back in, before she even said a word.
Even after slashing Kenny, Jane was ready to end the fight if Kenny would leave.
Kenny hits Clem when she is trying to seperate him from Arvo. Kenny ignored Clementine and shoves her inside the restroom. Kenny pushes Clementine to ground if she tries to come between Kenny and Jane and goes for Kenny. He has shown to be capable to hurt clementine in anger (considering she had the gunshot wound and he still pushes her around). Stabs Jane to the leg and causes her to push Clementine to the ground, opening her wound.
Jane did all this because she knew they would go seperate ways, and she needed to win Clementine on her side, by showing how crazy Kenny can be and hoping clem to realize that Kenny isnt safe to be around.
But Kenny cares about Clem more then anything! He wouldn't ever hit her. Jane was jealous and that's why she did what she did, she didn't do it to protect Clementine because Clementine wasn't in any danger with Kenny!
Jane was ready to kill Kenny too. There was no stopping it. There wasn't a choice to stop the fight and since it is the kind of fight Jane w… moreanted then she deserved to die. She even admits that she knew Kenny would kill her. I let her have the satisfaction of being right!
I wanted Kenny to kill Arvo not just beat him up. In my game I sat and told Mike to let him go, why would you try to stop him? Jane pushes Clem to the ground when she tries to stop HER! Sure Kenny hurts her with anger but he always apologizes. If Jane were to abandon her there is no apologizing for that!
She didn't have to win Clementine. She was jealous at her relationship with Kenny and manipulated both of them. Clem is safest with Kenny and so is AJ.
Kenny hits Clem when she is trying to seperate him from Arvo. Kenny ignored Clementine and shoves her inside the restroom. Kenny pushes Clem… moreentine to ground if she tries to come between Kenny and Jane and goes for Kenny. He has shown to be capable to hurt clementine in anger (considering she had the gunshot wound and he still pushes her around). Stabs Jane to the leg and causes her to push Clementine to the ground, opening her wound.
Jane did all this because she knew they would go seperate ways, and she needed to win Clementine on her side, by showing how crazy Kenny can be and hoping clem to realize that Kenny isnt safe to be around.
Well i suppose you agree with these acts, if you think Kenny has good moral values.
* Lilly murdering Carley/killing doug
* Carver murdering Reggie
* The Stranger trying to kill Lee
* Arvo robbing the group
Yes it does, considering she clearly escalated the situation, and continued to push the issue even after Kenny backed off by running outside (she didn't need to sprint after him with her knife here).
but after Kenny stabbed her to the leg, she was downed and Kenny went for the kill.
Because she was a threat to him. In the heat of the moment when he is doing everything to to survive, I don't think mercy is going to be a very conscious thing. He was soaked in his own blood because of her. He had already backed away from her once and she had made it clear she wasn't going to let it go.
From the start, Kenny was going to murder Jane, the fact that Jane actually fought back doesnt change that. After awhile, they both tried to… more kill each other, but after Kenny stabbed her to the leg, she was downed and Kenny went for the kill. (im pretty annoyed that the writers just forgot that she got stabbed to the leg, and let her walk normally after the fight ends).
From my perspective, to that point Kenny had done more wrong overall and Jane was better option if Clementine wanted to stay alive.
Like ive said before, Kenny trying to kill Jane is like trying to kill random man in your house, just because you believed your wife was having affair with him.
Ok now your just making shit up because you know that you made a mistake by going with Jane. It's ok. You can replay and save Kenny. We all make mistakes.
I would never go with Kenny after he murders Jane. I will never play through the game, without killing Kenny, because for me, its the right thing to do. Its a check on both my rational/objectivity list and moral values list.
Just like im not on the Strangers, Carvers or Lillys side, i will never be on Kennys side. To me, all 4 are just the same. Broken and crazy people who arent safe to be around.
Ok now your just making shit up because you know that you made a mistake by going with Jane. It's ok. You can replay and save Kenny. We all make mistakes.
kenny clearly states that he wanted to kill her, because he taught she killed Aj. That was his assumption before he even came back inside. Kenny says that if she hadnt lied about Aj, he wouldnt have gone that far.
So kenny makes assumption-> bases his actions upon it -> says he is sorry after everything and poof, its all good.
If current law system would be based around your moral values, no one would go to prison for murdering someone.
Kenny wasnt backing off, he was going outside to recover, and because its not safe fighting against knife in small spaces.
From the start, Kenny was going to murder Jane
Nothing to base that on at all unfortunately.
Jane actually fought back doesnt … morechange that.
Yes it does, considering she clearly escalated the situation, and continued to push the issue even after Kenny backed off by running outside (she didn't need to sprint after him with her knife here).
but after Kenny stabbed her to the leg, she was downed and Kenny went for the kill.
Because she was a threat to him. In the heat of the moment when he is doing everything to to survive, I don't think mercy is going to be a very conscious thing. He was soaked in his own blood because of her. He had already backed away from her once and she had made it clear she wasn't going to let it go.
I honestly think Lee would have killed Kenny. I'm not picking favorites or anything, I seriously think Lee would have shot Kenny in that situation. Lee would not have let a grizzly murder take place right in front of him even if it was between friends. Lee would not have let Jane get slaughtered by a machete, I just can't see Lee just turn his head away and ignore that. True that Lee and Kenny are best friends, but Lee is man of great fortitude and character. Lee would have done what needed to be done to save someone's life even if that meant putting down his best friend.
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Maybe you should check your depth of vision, because on that clip, Kenny quickly gets as he sees Jane on ground and rushed towards Jane.
At this point the fight escalated even more and Kenny still didnt want to back off, while they were outside (Jane said "just go" and kenny disagreed)
In the case that you side with Kenny, you don't see anything, but we can safely assume nothing happens.
Why would siding with Kenny make him zombify more quickly?
Even if it did, how is that relevant? All I set out to show is that Larry can be revived. If Kenny hadn't got involved after you side with Lilly, he WOULD have lived.
Thus, it wasn't necessary.
Exactly.
Where were you saying this on the thread saying Lee hates you if you shoot Kenny?
I don't know why you're still bothering
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Like I said, we can debate about it all we want, but its kind of irrelevant. Jane was the one who wanted the fight. She knew what she was getting into. I can't possibly justify her use of lethal force just because she found herself at a disadvantage in a fight that she purposely put herself in.
Just because Kenny refused to run away that means Jane should be justified in trying to kill him? Why should he just abandon Clem because Jane is trying to scare him off?
The fact remains that Kenny wasn't attacking her at this point. Jane could have used this time to admit that AJ was still alive, and everything could have been fine. She could have tried to rationalize. She had already "proven" her point.
But he pushes Clem out of the way for a different reason. He doesn't push her out of the way so he can go attack Jane. Jane attacks him no matter what... even though she clearly had an opportunity to end the fight.
Kind of funny that you're criticizing him for assuming something about Jane, and yet here you are assuming something about Kenny.
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How can you safely assume that when you can't even see if Larry takes that "breath" or not in that instance?
It wouldn't. Not sure why you think I'm saying that.
But again, we can't see if he takes that breath or not in the instance of pulling Lilly away from Larry. All we see is Kenny raising up the saltlick and then smashing it down on Larry's head. We don't have a view of Larry's body. For all we know Larry still took that same "breath".
So it still isn't really possible to ascertain if he would have lived a little while longer in that situation or not.
Kenny says its necessary therefore its necessary!
So Kenny being angry and broken justifies everything he does? Clearly you think so, so whats the point of argue with you, since you clearly dont care what Kenny does, because you see everything Kenny does as morally right decision.
Was the Stranger kidnapping Clementine and causing the death of Lee justified, just because he was broken and crazy, like Kenny?
But whether we see it or not in that circumstance is completely irrelevant. I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it...
Ok so:
There's no reason why helping Kenny would speed up the rate of zombification. We know that this would have taken the same time regardless of these circumstances.
We also know that when Lee helps Lily, he can revive Larry.
So:
When Lee has to make the choice, Larry IS revivable. If we choose to help Lilly, he breathes.
Therefore, Kenny arguing we HAVE to kill Larry before the decision happens is incorrect. We do not have to, there is no necessity.
Due to the fact that we CAN revive him if we DON'T help Kenny proves that choosing to kill him is NOT 100% necessary.
You seem to be arguing that since we can't see the body when Kenny kills Larry, he could easily be reanimating, and therefore it is necessary if you help Kenny.
But that doesn't make sense as an argument to why it's NECESSARY at the point of making the decision, does it?
It may seem that way to you at that time with no metagaming, but we know that is incorrect. At that specific time, you can make a choice that allows you to revive Larry.
Refusing to revive him because it's necessary to kill him doesn't make any sense.
If Kenny had waited, Larry would have been revived. That proves that at the time of making the split decision, Larry is savable, and thus that killing him is not necessary.
You're confusing justifiable homicide with murder.
When you shoot someone to stop a murder, you're not a murderer. You're defending that person. It's called justifiable homicide, which is a different type of killing from murder. This is why when cops shoot someone who is attacking someone, it's not murder. Murder is a specific type of killing that is unlawful malice, which is not what justifiable homicide is.
Its very relevant though. Because.. for all we know Larry could have done the exact same thing as he did in the case of helping Lilly. There is no way to know if we couldn't even see the body.
I still don't understand why you're bringing up speeding up the rate of reanimation. I don't know why you think I'm implying siding with Kenny speeds up the rate of reanimation. Obviously that isn't very realistic.
But what are you basing that on if we don't actually have any way of knowing whether or not Larry was truly alive or just reanimating. Like I said before, Larry still could have made the same mouth gesture in the event that you pull Lilly off of Larry. Him making the mouth gesture isn't necessarily dependent on pushing on his chest. He could have done the same thing even in the event of pulling Lilly off of Larry for all we know (still don't understand why you think this is irrelevant).
Nah, I was only arguing that Larry could have done the same exact movement that we see when helping Lilly. There is no way for us to see Larry, so there is no way for us to know if he moved/breathed/reanimated in that situation or not.
I wasn't talking about it being necessary to take either side. I'm just saying there is no possible way to ascertain what Larry is doing in the event of helping Kenny... considering we can't see him. This is really the main reason why its impossible to say that Larry was revived in the instance of helping Lilly. I don't understand how you can say that Larry was for alive and breathing when there isn't really a way to prove that.
Again, can you explain what you mean in terms of reanimating faster? This may be the reason why we're not understanding eachother..
Honestly my Lee was Bros wit Kenny but I'll admit my Lee would kill Kenny and after he finds out Jane lied about the baby he would leave her ass like he did with Lilly!!!!
But if he was in situation that he had to shoot Kenny in order to save Jane, he would have done it. Lee had killed someone in anger, and he understood that he did wrong, he wouldnt have let Kenny repeat his mistake.
Would if she deserved it, once Kenny starts killing innocent people without explanation, that he's never met before, then we'll shoot kenny, Okay? It's a choice for a reason, people are ngonna choose different things.
So umm... is there a reason why this has nothing to do with what I said? Just curious. I guess I wouldn't mind completely jumping topics... but it would have been nice for you to address what I had said in some fashion... because I really don't know where you're going with this.
I don't know why you're so convinced that was breathing. He just opened his mouth.
It could have been a walker reanimating. The first thing Rebecca did when reanimating spontaneously was to open her mouth.
Well Kenny didnt know if she deserved to die, Kenny just wanted her dead because he assumed that she had killed AJ and was blinded in anger. There is a reason you can shoot Kenny if he murders Jane. Clem finally realizes what a monster Kenny has become and even he says "do it. Just, Just do it".
If you are going kill someone, make sure he/she deserves it first. If you are unable to do so, you are just a murderer, and thats exaclty what Kenny is.
Can you imagine how cops would just keep killing every suspect until there were no one left...
Was that a thread during the weekend? I was away then if it was, I would not have seen it at all.
Jane was trying to kill Kenny.
He would have been able to separate them, or knock Kenny out.
From the start, Kenny was going to murder Jane, the fact that Jane actually fought back doesnt change that. After awhile, they both tried to kill each other, but after Kenny stabbed her to the leg, she was downed and Kenny went for the kill. (im pretty annoyed that the writers just forgot that she got stabbed to the leg, and let her walk normally after the fight ends).
From my perspective, to that point Kenny had done more wrong overall and Jane was better option if Clementine wanted to stay alive.
Like ive said before, Kenny trying to kill Jane is like trying to kill random man in your house, just because you believed your wife was having affair with him.
The police should assume guilty until proven innocent. Thats Kenny's law.
But Kenny cares about Clem more then anything! He wouldn't ever hit her. Jane was jealous and that's why she did what she did, she didn't do it to protect Clementine because Clementine wasn't in any danger with Kenny!
Solving crimes would be so easy. Find suspect, kill them and find more suspects until you cant find any. A brother dies? Kill his family just to make sure, some cousins also and other people related to him. Then start to kill his co-workers.
Jane was ready to kill Kenny too. There was no stopping it. There wasn't a choice to stop the fight and since it is the kind of fight Jane wanted then she deserved to die. She even admits that she knew Kenny would kill her. I let her have the satisfaction of being right!
Kenny hits Clem when she is trying to seperate him from Arvo. Kenny ignored Clementine and shoves her inside the restroom. Kenny pushes Clementine to ground if she tries to come between Kenny and Jane and goes for Kenny. He has shown to be capable to hurt clementine in anger (considering she had the gunshot wound and he still pushes her around). Stabs Jane to the leg and causes her to push Clementine to the ground, opening her wound.
Jane did all this because she knew they would go seperate ways, and she needed to win Clementine on her side, by showing how crazy Kenny can be and hoping clem to realize that Kenny isnt safe to be around.
My Lee would silently stare and do or say nothing throughout most of the adventure
Well i suppose you agree with these acts, if you think Kenny has good moral values.
I wanted Kenny to kill Arvo not just beat him up. In my game I sat and told Mike to let him go, why would you try to stop him? Jane pushes Clem to the ground when she tries to stop HER! Sure Kenny hurts her with anger but he always apologizes. If Jane were to abandon her there is no apologizing for that!
She didn't have to win Clementine. She was jealous at her relationship with Kenny and manipulated both of them. Clem is safest with Kenny and so is AJ.
This has no relation to the fight we are talking about!
Nothing to base that on at all unfortunately.
Yes it does, considering she clearly escalated the situation, and continued to push the issue even after Kenny backed off by running outside (she didn't need to sprint after him with her knife here).
Because she was a threat to him. In the heat of the moment when he is doing everything to to survive, I don't think mercy is going to be a very conscious thing. He was soaked in his own blood because of her. He had already backed away from her once and she had made it clear she wasn't going to let it go.
Well im just making sure you actually have no moral values. If not, i have no point debating moral issues with sociopath like Kenny.
Ok now your just making shit up because you know that you made a mistake by going with Jane. It's ok. You can replay and save Kenny. We all make mistakes.
I would never go with Kenny after he murders Jane. I will never play through the game, without killing Kenny, because for me, its the right thing to do. Its a check on both my rational/objectivity list and moral values list.
Just like im not on the Strangers, Carvers or Lillys side, i will never be on Kennys side. To me, all 4 are just the same. Broken and crazy people who arent safe to be around.
kenny clearly states that he wanted to kill her, because he taught she killed Aj. That was his assumption before he even came back inside. Kenny says that if she hadnt lied about Aj, he wouldnt have gone that far.
So kenny makes assumption-> bases his actions upon it -> says he is sorry after everything and poof, its all good.
If current law system would be based around your moral values, no one would go to prison for murdering someone.
Kenny wasnt backing off, he was going outside to recover, and because its not safe fighting against knife in small spaces.
but honestly i don't like picking between the two of them (kenny and jane)
and i was like fuck this i'm out
I honestly think Lee would have killed Kenny. I'm not picking favorites or anything, I seriously think Lee would have shot Kenny in that situation. Lee would not have let a grizzly murder take place right in front of him even if it was between friends. Lee would not have let Jane get slaughtered by a machete, I just can't see Lee just turn his head away and ignore that. True that Lee and Kenny are best friends, but Lee is man of great fortitude and character. Lee would have done what needed to be done to save someone's life even if that meant putting down his best friend.
I fail to see what your little video has to do with your comment.