Is There Anyone Who Actually Doesn't Hate
Arvo? Or a better question, is there anyone out there who likes all of the characters to some degree?
I have an inability to hate most of the characters in this game even when they do shitty things. Carver is the only exception. (And there's also my weird dislike of Becca but that's...I don't even know what that's about to be honest.) Hell, I even like Troy but never Carver. Even though Arvo has done the worst possible thing in the eyes of a majority of the players (Clementine is practically a daughter to many people so the outrage is understandable.) I still can't hate him. I know shooting someone the way he did regardless of if he wanted revenge or was scared or whatever his reasoning was is inexcusable but for some reason it doesn't matter to me I still like him.
He reminds me a lot of Lilly, maybe that's part of the reason. In my first two plays of the game I left her at the side of the road without a second thought but thinking back on it, I regret doing that and I forgive her even though unlike Arvo she actually managed to kill the person she shot. I just miss Lilly and I like to point out the parallels between her and Arvo. (Right down to watching them both panic and try to give CPR to the person they tried to save...) I think the whole point of the dream-sequence after Clementine gets shot is to show that their situations were similar. They both thought that someone had murdered their family member. (Lilly especially considering there seemed to be a possibility of reviving Larry.) Lilly grew increasingly paranoid with the thievery and it also probably made her very angry inside to have to live and work with the people whom she saw as the murderer(s) of her father. Arvo's breakdown was driven by Kenny's abuse and his festering hatred of the person he believed to have been the killer of his sister.
Also, I don't think Arvo being 'Ben 2.0' is particularly accurate, I can't remember too much from the first season but while Ben's screw ups were colossal he stole to keep the bandits away and it just massively backfired on him. I thought Ben's intentions were generally good, I can't remember a time where Ben's actions could be interpreted as being done out of paranoia or revenge so I don't agree with a lot of the comparisons of Arvo to Ben.
I'm sorta getting off topic but what I'm trying to say here is that there are pretty much no characters that I actually truly hate and want to kill in this game. Arvo, Lilly, Jane, Bonnie, Mike etc. etc. and all the other characters that people are wishing get burned at the stake, I actually fucking like. A lot.
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I don't necessarily like Arvo, but I can see where he's coming from, and feel bad for him.
I liked Arvo. Not personally, but as a character. I hope we see him again in the future. Either grown up and wiser, or as a stronger antagonist.
I defended the shitbird for all of 204 and 205, and then it turns out Kenny was right all along about him. Very disappointing.
I felt bad for him untill he shot Clem
Same. I felt like such a fool after going to such lengths to defend him.
I handed over the gun, kept friendly, and the fucker still shoots Clem, a defenseless girl! Those death glares Arvo kept sending her through the finale pissed me off as well, especially since he gave her one just after she almost drowned. Like damn, calm down Arvo.
He still has a lot of fans. I just ain't one of em'....
Fuckin', shitbird
Clementine-chan, EpicMustacheGuy. Clem killed Arvo's sister. He didn't know that Natasha reanimated as a walker, he thought his CPR had worked on her. That's why he hated Clem so much. Also Kenny was physically and emotionally abusing him on the whole trip to the house which couldn't help his perception of the group.
That's how I feel, I don't like him, but he's an interesting villain.
I sympathized with Arvo at first. It was hard not to since he's essentially my fucking doppleganger. Give him blonder hair and get rid of his leg brace and that's me.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was nice to him every step of the way. I thought he was scared kid who fell in with the wrong group. How wrong I was... he was a wolf in sheeps' clothing the entire time.
When he shot me and all that sympathy went out the window. He's a douchenozzle of the highest degree. I hope we get a chance to get vengeance next season.
I kinda like him, i don't justify his actions but i understand why he did what he did. (Except for shooting Clem but i don't hate him for it)
I've always felt bad for him, and I'm not going to change my mind just because the writers made him do something as ridiculously uncharacteristic as shoot a little girl JUST to make players hate him. I hate that kind of manipulative writing.
I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU, ARVO!
(OT: I felt so bad for Arvo, he had just lost everyone, most importantly his sister, in such a short amount of time. I just can't forgive him for what he did to Clem.)
DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
Well, I did defend him against Kenny, because I see your points, and I felt the same.
But what he did? Inexcusable, sorry.
For taking advantage of power when given power? I'm just saying it's so understandable why he did what he did. Kenny never gave him a chance. The poor guy had no chance.
No, you're not. I do pity Arvo.
Arvo's story arc (and to an extent, Kenny and Carver) shows that cruelty is a disease that can be passed over from one person to another, and Kenny's cruelty towards Arvo is what causes Arvo to take the upper hand and shoot down Clementine for fear of her ratting him out to Kenny who was willing to murder him when given the chance.
It doesn't matter that Arvo and his group tried to get revenge on Clementine's group, the situation showed hints that he was likely forced into doing his group's bidding as a reluctant translator and mediator, and the situation regarding of his sister was likely true given his reaction to Natasha's death. It doesn't help that he likely didn't know that Natasha reanimated and was about to attack Clementine, he could have seen a wounded Natasha rising up and crawling away from the shooting in a panic and ends up being finished off by an eleven year old girl.
It doesn't help that Arvo was also scared kid on his own in a different country after the death of his group, who ends up taken hostage by a racist man with severe anger issues and a penchant for violence. At this point Kenny wasn't much different from how Carver treat his prisoners at the time, and Carver's cruelty towards Kenny made a lasting impression on him to the point where he's basically mimicking Carver in his treatment of Arvo. And now his treatment of Arvo sent the young man over the edge just as Carver did to Kenny, which ends up causing Arvo to shoot Clementine when Arvo and the others tries to escape from Kenny's madness.
If Telltale was trying to portray Arvo as a treacherous individual, then they've failed in my eyes. If anything, it makes Kenny look worse, as his actions is what causes Clementine to be shot by Arvo. Had he treat his prisoner with more dignity, the shooting would have never happened and by extension Mike and Bonnie wouldn't have tried to steal the truck out of fear of Kenny.
He's one of my favorite characters, I don't think I hate a single person in the games.
I feel bad for Arvo, but haven't quite forgiven him as I have with Bonnie and Mike.
I disliked him. Though I have to say he is a good character for the story.
I love all of god's creations. Both fictional and non-fictional.
I sympathize with him and understand why he shot Clementine (to him, Clem killed his sister. Arvo tried to save her and never got to see that she'd turned before Clem shot her as Kenny took him hostage and both had their backs to her.) However, him shooting Clementine is inexcusable just like Lily with Carley. I left Lily behind the second she did that, and if I'd been able to leave Arvo instead of him running off, then I would have done.
I'm all about letting people live but the moment they shoot an innocent member of the group that's not a danger to the group or not about to turn, then I don't need to think twice about abandoning them.
I don't, I understand why he did what he did.
Pretty sure the writers were hinting at that Arvo thought Clem murdered his sister, that's why he shot her.
Nope. Arvo is an asshole.
That's how I feel about him! I don't agree with what he did to the group or Clementine, but as long as I can see things from his side I can appreciate him as a character.
Only characters I hate is Brenda St. John and The Stranger. Oh, and that bitch who shot Omid. Fuck that bitch.
THIS, IS, BRILLIANT!
They hinted at it, but the fact that his opinion of her does not change at all no matter how much you try to defend AND he shoots you even if you surrender to Mike just reeks of lazy writing. The same as how Bonnie and Mike, previously portrayed as upstanding people who genuinely cared about Rebecca and her baby, then decide to abandon him and Clem to people they believe to be insane.
To be honest, a more realistic reaction would have been to blow out the brains of both Jane and Kenny while they were asleep. But then we couldn't have had that contrived final battle?
Everyone hate's him he's even worse than Troy.