i'm just going to break this whole thing down to its most basic parts.
Kenny is crazy and so is Jane
Kenny cares about Clem and so doe… mores Jane
Neither one deserved to die but the game forced us to chose. Both options are valid. No one is the villain and no one is the hero or victim.
Arvo is a piece of shit.
/thread
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Bioware stopped making games after Mass Effect 2! You can't tell me differently!
haha no its AS bad as people say but boy is it painfully mediocre. Everything i loved about DAO just stripped. It was obviously rushed. The same cave for every dungeon. Only 1 city. Stupid story that really makes no sense and shoehorning a forced family dynamic just so the protagonist would have a voice actor....... Jeez I can keep going but it still makes me angry thinkg about it. It was the last full price game I pre-ordered and I was one Bioware's biggest fans! I defended them even after I played it!
Fuck I'm not even gonna get started with Mass Effect 3!
At the very least you probably know that the "happy to" part is total bullshit. You don't seem to bothered by Kenny manipulating Clem."You gotta have my back on this one." "I expected more from you." Classic emotional manipulation. Exploiting feelings about their past to elicit a more favorable response and shaming her into changing future responses.
It doesn't appear manipulative when you agree with somebody, only when you disagree. You agree with Kenny therefore his manipulative behavior is received as genuine concern and honesty.
They were both expressing genuine concerns, neither of them were lying, and they were both unintentionally manipulative.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Bioware stopped making games after Mass Effect 2! You can't tell me differently!
haha no its AS bad as people say… more but boy is it painfully mediocre. Everything i loved about DAO just stripped. It was obviously rushed. The same cave for every dungeon. Only 1 city. Stupid story that really makes no sense and shoehorning a forced family dynamic just so the protagonist would have a voice actor....... Jeez I can keep going but it still makes me angry thinkg about it. It was the last full price game I pre-ordered and I was one Bioware's biggest fans! I defended them even after I played it!
Fuck I'm not even gonna get started with Mass Effect 3!
You could say it
Motors my boat
Arl's my eamon
Beards my Kenny
Darks my spawn
Neuters my Krogan
Filters my coffee
Mirr… moreors my Edge
Daisys my Gatsby
Masses my Effect
Lillies my Carley
Flogs my 61
Lings my Vort
Harrys my Potter
Cancers my Vernon
Drowns my Luke
Masters my Taint
Pikas my Chu
Ashes my Ketchum
I was a very active member of the Bioware forums for almost 2 years at the time. I defended the company from naysayers. I was like a rabid Kenny fanboy back then. Refusing to hear anyone who said they weren't perfect.
ME3 was a slap in the face for me. Yes the endings sucked but that wasn't the whole picture. It was that they promised us so much more and they didn't even try to deliver on half the promises. More than that they got big game journalists like IGN to act like we're just too stupid to get it. I still laugh at the term "artistic integrity"...
The entire experience ruined everything for me. I have since tried to get back into the Mass Effect series at least on 3 seperate occasions and only by not taking any of it seriously could I enjoy it anymore. Before ME3 came out I had at least 8 playthroughs of 1 and 2..... Each save was primed and ready for 3. I played it once. More than that it retroactively killed the series for me. Now that I don't have my Bioware fanboy goggles on. I can see just how badly written it all was. Well the first game was fine but the flaws become more obvious in 2.
So it was a combination of that and their attitude towards anyone who didn't like it. They pretended nothing was wrong. Of course that didn't mean they deserved the death threats and all the other shit. But imagine if Telltale employees came on here and started getting involved in the Jane vs Kenny arguments. Telling people they missed the point and are too stupid to get it. Thats what it felt like. They worded it nicer but the general feeling was that Bioware didn't respect its fanbase. Top that off with everyone turning into rabid dogs over everything. Blatant sexism, homophobia ran rampant. Death threats to people who worked at Bioware or anyone who dared to say they liked the ME3 endings. So I had enough. I didn't even try to hide it. I got myself perma banned on purpose. I even flat out said at one point... Could you just ban me for good?
Thats why I laugh when people say these forums are toxic. You people have no idea what toxic is. Sure it can be annoying and some people are being stupid but this place is Mr Rodgers neighborhood!
I know the feel, man.
After finishing Mass Effect 3, I got so disappointed in the franchise that I decided to take a short break.
It lasted 16 months till I even tried to play it again.
Dragon Age: Origins is so far one of my most favourite RPGs of all time.
Inquisition looks promising, but I have to play it personally to form a full opinion.
Not a fan of The Witcher, and I don't want to repeat myself needlessly, but I'll say it again - I need to play Inquisition before I form a full opinion about it.
The Witcher series is hard... But in a good "I don't like Dark Souls but want a challenge" kind of hard. It doesn't hold your hand and is very well written. 3 times now I have failed to get passed the first chapter of The Witcher 2 and every time I want to go back and try again. I couldn't even finish the first one because it gives you new clues on what to do next not even in the quest log. Yet I love the series even though I've only seen like 30% of the first game and maybe 10% of the 2nd.
Not a fan of The Witcher, and I don't want to repeat myself needlessly, but I'll say it again - I need to play Inquisition before I form a full opinion about it.
Jane be all, trust me you've known me for like 3 days!! I'm just going to emotionally manipulate this man who has been through hell, but doN'T WORRY. Stay out of it as I kill him it's the only way ok!!! There's just no way I can deal with his issues anymore imPOSSIBLE already been more than one day since he lost Sarita he should be fine! HE'S PROBABLY CARVER in disguise!
Must be just you and me Clem!! Keeping the peace and letting Kenny protect you and the baby with his life??! NONSENSE. We must d-d-d-uel!
I've played through first 5-10% of the first game and didn't really get into it. Bioware games were always more appealing to me, mostly due to my experience with Neverwinter Nights.
The Witcher series is hard... But in a good "I don't like Dark Souls but want a challenge" kind of hard. It doesn't hold your hand and is v… moreery well written. 3 times now I have failed to get passed the first chapter of The Witcher 2 and every time I want to go back and try again. I couldn't even finish the first one because it gives you new clues on what to do next not even in the quest log. Yet I love the series even though I've only seen like 30% of the first game and maybe 10% of the 2nd.
Eh... Its probably because I'm biased since Bioware is dead to me now. But there aren't enough good dark fantasy games out there. Even less open world ones and the promise of Witcher 3 being open world is just making me NGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. Also CDProjekt Red's anti DRM stance and clear love for PC gamers is just icing on the cake.
I've played through first 5-10% of the first game and didn't really get into it. Bioware games were always more appealing to me, mostly due to my experience with Neverwinter Nights.
I know she cares about clem. But she went too far. And her caring about clem doesn't cover up what she did. I feel like jane sees clem as a second chance with her sister, to this time make things right, which didn't go as planned.
Eh... Its probably because I'm biased since Bioware is dead to me now. But there aren't enough good dark fantasy games out there. Even les… mores open world ones and the promise of Witcher 3 being open world is just making me NGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. Also CDProjekt Red's anti DRM stance and clear love for PC gamers is just icing on the cake.
I think that's ultimately the point of the dream sequence between Clementine and Lee in Season 2. He was telling her that sometimes bad things just happen. And sometimes they happen to people you care about. There's "No Going Back"...only forward in terms of how you deal with it. That's the lesson he was essentially teaching Clem. And, in that confrontation between Kenny and Jane, that's what it boiled down to. Bad things happened to Kenny (in spades). And bad things happened to Jane (with how she lost her sister). Both of them were on a collision course as a result of those experiences, their own stubbornness, and their "attachment" to Clem as a surrogate for those they'd lost before (and AJ, too, for that matter).
In the end, a "bad thing" happened to Clem because of the fight between Kenny and Jane. Sometimes those things "just happen" and there's "No Going Back." Clementine can only go forward. But it's ultimately the player's choice (on behalf of Clem) which determines how she goes forward (whether by siding with Kenny, siding with Jane, or striking out on her own). Lee faced the same kind of choices in Season 1, if you recall. And this whole plotline of Season 2 was essentially Clementine having to face that same kind of trial.
The interesting thing for me...with the whole dream sequence...is that once again, we get to see how well Lee prepared Clementine for dealing with the apocalyptic world in which she's having to survive. He not only taught her how to shoot. He also taught her how to deal with the hardest choices she'll ever have to make...i.e., choosing between two friends under the most trying circumstances and with the worst possible consequences. Now, it'll be a matter of how she learns to live with herself...much like Lee and any other adult survivor in the Walking Dead universe has had to do. That's what makes Season 2 one more step in terms of Clem's evolution. And, as players, we have that opportunity to determine exactly how #OurClementine develops in that regard.
I don't doubt that she cares for Clem, I just take issue with her actions during and leading up to the fight with Kenny. I actually like bot… moreh of them (Though I freely admit to liking Kenny more, that doesn't mean I hate Jane by any means) and I really wish that both of them could have lived.
I can make a thread about my opinion on any character any time I want. Also this thread isn't just me gushing all over Jane, I stated my opinion and was being fairly reasonable when discussing some other points some others have made in the past. I never insulted anyone else for their opinion in this thread, so I don't know why you would feel the need to get frustrated at me for that. On a side not in case you didn't know, there is a title stating what every thread is about, so if you don't want to see a certain thread then maybe don't click on it in the first place? Seems pretty simple to me.
Or just don't make it it in the first place? DO we need 500000 Kenny V Jane Threads. We get it, everyone loves whoever they chose for whate… morever reasons. A lot of you can't argue without resorting to name calling, The neutral people like myself are tired of it.
I don't know, my Clem told her that she does not know hot to drive when you refuse to drink the alcohol and Jane still told her to drive the truck to escape the walkers anyway. Jane does not listen to Clementine and then they crash a truck, sounds like she doesn't really care. jk!
Some people are just sick fucks, but it would be hypocritical of me to blame them, because I indeed find some of that humour funny.
An… moreyway, it was just a silly, half thought through comment I made when I was up very late and tired.
Maybe it would've been better to postpone the response just to make it something more serious and/or well-thought? I totally see where you're coming from with those mocking sentences, but I can't really stand them. I guess it's because I'm a Kenny fan, and it is kind of offensive for me to read all these "mocking Kenny fans" statements, even if they aren't exactly directed at me.
Clementine is just Jane's replacement of Jaime. She put AJ in a freezing cold car, that his crying could attract walkers to, and without any supervision, all just to prove to Clementine that Kenny would go batshit crazy if he lost the baby? WELL, YEAH? Of course he wound! She led Kenny on to think that she let the baby die? Like, what the fuck? You put a baby's life in danger, (determinately) killed Clementine's loyal friend, and then try to say "I can understand if you're upset." Uh... what? And all of that just to prove that he wasn't sane and that you actions clearly were? no, Jane. no.
She's just as mental as Kenny, and at least Kenny's got some real, loyal feelings for Clementine.
Sorry Jane lovers, but I just don't swing her way.
In my opinion, DA2 is a perfectly fine game, it has all the banter and character you expect from Dragon Age, but the story feels... constrained, mostly because Kirkwall isn't that interesting. I'm sure Inquisition will be better (we still have Varric), but I'll wait until I've played it before I have a proper opinion. Now I just need to replay Origins and 2 in time for it's release.
I can make a thread about my opinion on any character any time I want. Also this thread isn't just me gushing all over Jane, I stated my opi… morenion and was being fairly reasonable when discussing some other points some others have made in the past. I never insulted anyone else for their opinion in this thread, so I don't know why you would feel the need to get frustrated at me for that. On a side not in case you didn't know, there is a title stating what every thread is about, so if you don't want to see a certain thread then maybe don't click on it in the first place? Seems pretty simple to me.
Kenny didn't manipulate Clem, everything he said and did came right from his heart, there was no hidden motives there. Kenny was asking her for help plain and simple.
Uh, Jane was lying she said AJ was dead, Jane was completely intentional...
At the very least you probably know that the "happy to" part is total bullshit. You don't seem to bothered by Kenny manipulating Clem."You g… moreotta have my back on this one." "I expected more from you." Classic emotional manipulation. Exploiting feelings about their past to elicit a more favorable response and shaming her into changing future responses.
It doesn't appear manipulative when you agree with somebody, only when you disagree. You agree with Kenny therefore his manipulative behavior is received as genuine concern and honesty.
They were both expressing genuine concerns, neither of them were lying, and they were both unintentionally manipulative.
Looking at the name of the topic starter i know it will be a useless conversation.
And what Clem said is also valant on this forum "Both you guys(jane and kenny) are acting like children" and their fans take it to the next level. If you finished the game why bitch about it when someone chooses the other person?
Manipulation seeks to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of other people. You can be both truthful and manipulative. You're demonstrating my point when I say that it only feels like manipulation when you disagree with somebody. He spent the last episode basically trying to browbeat Clem into distrusting Jane. Odds are that you agreed with him and you didn't see it as manipulation but that doesn't make it any less manipulative.
Kenny didn't manipulate Clem, everything he said and did came right from his heart, there was no hidden motives there. Kenny was asking her for help plain and simple.
Uh, Jane was lying she said AJ was dead, Jane was completely intentional...
Kenny dislikes Jane we know that. Kenny tells Clem to take his side because Jane can't be trusted. There's no hidden agenda or motive there, he just urging Clem to take his side. All he does is continue to ask her. He doesn't force her to, or tries to do anything mentally to do so.
Jane on the other hand disliked Kenny. Jane asks you to leave/distrust Kenny. Whether you disagree or agree with her, she still lies about killing a baby, just so she can hopefully push Clem over to her side. If you agree with her, that's bad, she shouldn't have to kill Kenny or wreck his mind just to get Clem on her side. If you disagree with her then its worse, making Clem turn and shoot one of her friends, or think he's a monster. This whole paragraph explains Jane is manipulative and poor Kenny did nothing on this level.
Manipulation seeks to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of other people. You can be both truthful and manipulative. You're demonstr… moreating my point when I say that it only feels like manipulation when you disagree with somebody. He spent the last episode basically trying to browbeat Clem into distrusting Jane. Odds are that you agreed with him and you didn't see it as manipulation but that doesn't make it any less manipulative.
You could say it
Motors my boat
Arl's my eamon
Beards my Kenny
Darks my spawn
Neuters my Krogan
Filters my coffee
Mirr… moreors my Edge
Daisys my Gatsby
Masses my Effect
Lillies my Carley
Flogs my 61
Lings my Vort
Harrys my Potter
Cancers my Vernon
Drowns my Luke
Masters my Taint
Pikas my Chu
Ashes my Ketchum
To be fair if we can't really lecture other games for disappointing second games cause...Season 2...
(BET YOU WISH THERE WAS A DISLIKE BUTTON NOW HUH!)
One of the first things she tells you in the last episode Clem needs to be the one to reel him back in because she's the only one he trusts. Then Kenny demonstrates how unhinged he is throughout the rest of the episode.
There doesn't need to be a hidden agenda or motive for it to be manipulative. His agenda is clear, and his tactic is emotional manipulation.
Kenny doesn't trust Jane - he shares that openly. Jane doesn't trust Kenny - she shares that openly. Being open about it doesn't make it any less manipulative.
You remind me of somebody with Stockholm Syndrome.
Kenny dislikes Jane we know that. Kenny tells Clem to take his side because Jane can't be trusted. There's no hidden agenda or motive there,… more he just urging Clem to take his side. All he does is continue to ask her. He doesn't force her to, or tries to do anything mentally to do so.
Jane on the other hand disliked Kenny. Jane asks you to leave/distrust Kenny. Whether you disagree or agree with her, she still lies about killing a baby, just so she can hopefully push Clem over to her side. If you agree with her, that's bad, she shouldn't have to kill Kenny or wreck his mind just to get Clem on her side. If you disagree with her then its worse, making Clem turn and shoot one of her friends, or think he's a monster. This whole paragraph explains Jane is manipulative and poor Kenny did nothing on this level.
How do I remind you of someone with Stockholm Syndrome?
Kenny didn't use emotional manipulation, he was just asking Clementine to be on his side and help him, simply because he trusts Clementine as you mentioned. Asking someone this isn't manipulating them. Trust me, if Kenny didn't trust Clem he wouldn't ask her.
One of the first things she tells you in the last episode Clem needs to be the one to reel him back in because she's the only one he trusts.… more Then Kenny demonstrates how unhinged he is throughout the rest of the episode.
There doesn't need to be a hidden agenda or motive for it to be manipulative. His agenda is clear, and his tactic is emotional manipulation.
Kenny doesn't trust Jane - he shares that openly. Jane doesn't trust Kenny - she shares that openly. Being open about it doesn't make it any less manipulative.
You remind me of somebody with Stockholm Syndrome.
BET YOU WISH THERE WAS "DON'T MAKE BOLD ASSUMPTIONS" BUTTON, EH?
No, seriously, I'm not about to make a speech about how you are wrong or right with this opinion. Your opinion is your own, and I'm not going to agree or try to convince you otherwise.
To be fair if we can't really lecture other games for disappointing second games cause...Season 2...
(BET YOU WISH THERE WAS A DISLIKE BUTTON NOW HUH!)
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Dragon Age: Origins is so far one of my most favourite RPGs of all time.
Inquisition looks promising, but I have to play it personally to form a full opinion.
YOU FCKING ASSHOLE ARVO IS THE BEST! TEAMARVO UNITE! LET THE FLAME WAR BEGIN!!
No I'm Just kidding hon
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Bioware stopped making games after Mass Effect 2! You can't tell me differently!
haha no its AS bad as people say but boy is it painfully mediocre. Everything i loved about DAO just stripped. It was obviously rushed. The same cave for every dungeon. Only 1 city. Stupid story that really makes no sense and shoehorning a forced family dynamic just so the protagonist would have a voice actor....... Jeez I can keep going but it still makes me angry thinkg about it. It was the last full price game I pre-ordered and I was one Bioware's biggest fans! I defended them even after I played it!
Fuck I'm not even gonna get started with Mass Effect 3!
At the very least you probably know that the "happy to" part is total bullshit. You don't seem to bothered by Kenny manipulating Clem."You gotta have my back on this one." "I expected more from you." Classic emotional manipulation. Exploiting feelings about their past to elicit a more favorable response and shaming her into changing future responses.
It doesn't appear manipulative when you agree with somebody, only when you disagree. You agree with Kenny therefore his manipulative behavior is received as genuine concern and honesty.
They were both expressing genuine concerns, neither of them were lying, and they were both unintentionally manipulative.
I know the feel, man.
After finishing Mass Effect 3, I got so disappointed in the franchise that I decided to take a short break.
It lasted 16 months till I even tried to play it again.
Off topic: I loved when Isabella does this in DA, this is so full of win.
Who doesn't think Jane cares about Clem? I think Jane does care about Clem.. but I think its in a flawed sort of way even if she means well by her.
I was a very active member of the Bioware forums for almost 2 years at the time. I defended the company from naysayers. I was like a rabid Kenny fanboy back then. Refusing to hear anyone who said they weren't perfect.
ME3 was a slap in the face for me. Yes the endings sucked but that wasn't the whole picture. It was that they promised us so much more and they didn't even try to deliver on half the promises. More than that they got big game journalists like IGN to act like we're just too stupid to get it. I still laugh at the term "artistic integrity"...
The entire experience ruined everything for me. I have since tried to get back into the Mass Effect series at least on 3 seperate occasions and only by not taking any of it seriously could I enjoy it anymore. Before ME3 came out I had at least 8 playthroughs of 1 and 2..... Each save was primed and ready for 3. I played it once. More than that it retroactively killed the series for me. Now that I don't have my Bioware fanboy goggles on. I can see just how badly written it all was. Well the first game was fine but the flaws become more obvious in 2.
So it was a combination of that and their attitude towards anyone who didn't like it. They pretended nothing was wrong. Of course that didn't mean they deserved the death threats and all the other shit. But imagine if Telltale employees came on here and started getting involved in the Jane vs Kenny arguments. Telling people they missed the point and are too stupid to get it. Thats what it felt like. They worded it nicer but the general feeling was that Bioware didn't respect its fanbase. Top that off with everyone turning into rabid dogs over everything. Blatant sexism, homophobia ran rampant. Death threats to people who worked at Bioware or anyone who dared to say they liked the ME3 endings. So I had enough. I didn't even try to hide it. I got myself perma banned on purpose. I even flat out said at one point... Could you just ban me for good?
Thats why I laugh when people say these forums are toxic. You people have no idea what toxic is. Sure it can be annoying and some people are being stupid but this place is Mr Rodgers neighborhood!
Goddammit I got myself going!
TL:DR Fuck Arvo
Like I said to Flog... Inquisition just makes me want to play Witcher 3 that much more lol.
Not a fan of The Witcher, and I don't want to repeat myself needlessly, but I'll say it again - I need to play Inquisition before I form a full opinion about it.
The Witcher series is hard... But in a good "I don't like Dark Souls but want a challenge" kind of hard. It doesn't hold your hand and is very well written. 3 times now I have failed to get passed the first chapter of The Witcher 2 and every time I want to go back and try again. I couldn't even finish the first one because it gives you new clues on what to do next not even in the quest log. Yet I love the series even though I've only seen like 30% of the first game and maybe 10% of the 2nd.
Jane be all, trust me you've known me for like 3 days!! I'm just going to emotionally manipulate this man who has been through hell, but doN'T WORRY. Stay out of it as I kill him it's the only way ok!!! There's just no way I can deal with his issues anymore imPOSSIBLE already been more than one day since he lost Sarita he should be fine! HE'S PROBABLY CARVER in disguise!
Must be just you and me Clem!! Keeping the peace and letting Kenny protect you and the baby with his life??! NONSENSE. We must d-d-d-uel!
Wait never mind kill him for me Clem k thx!!
I've played through first 5-10% of the first game and didn't really get into it. Bioware games were always more appealing to me, mostly due to my experience with Neverwinter Nights.
Eh... Its probably because I'm biased since Bioware is dead to me now. But there aren't enough good dark fantasy games out there. Even less open world ones and the promise of Witcher 3 being open world is just making me NGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. Also CDProjekt Red's anti DRM stance and clear love for PC gamers is just icing on the cake.
I know she cares about clem. But she went too far. And her caring about clem doesn't cover up what she did. I feel like jane sees clem as a second chance with her sister, to this time make things right, which didn't go as planned.
Well, Bioware is still pretty much alive to me, so our opinions clearly differ.
Different opinions on the internet!!!!!!!! I bet you're a Kenny fan! You murderer lover!
LOL jk. But no its EA man.
Fuck EA. It's pretty much their fault good developers are forced to release shit just so they can have a quick buck.
I think that's ultimately the point of the dream sequence between Clementine and Lee in Season 2. He was telling her that sometimes bad things just happen. And sometimes they happen to people you care about. There's "No Going Back"...only forward in terms of how you deal with it. That's the lesson he was essentially teaching Clem. And, in that confrontation between Kenny and Jane, that's what it boiled down to. Bad things happened to Kenny (in spades). And bad things happened to Jane (with how she lost her sister). Both of them were on a collision course as a result of those experiences, their own stubbornness, and their "attachment" to Clem as a surrogate for those they'd lost before (and AJ, too, for that matter).
In the end, a "bad thing" happened to Clem because of the fight between Kenny and Jane. Sometimes those things "just happen" and there's "No Going Back." Clementine can only go forward. But it's ultimately the player's choice (on behalf of Clem) which determines how she goes forward (whether by siding with Kenny, siding with Jane, or striking out on her own). Lee faced the same kind of choices in Season 1, if you recall. And this whole plotline of Season 2 was essentially Clementine having to face that same kind of trial.
The interesting thing for me...with the whole dream sequence...is that once again, we get to see how well Lee prepared Clementine for dealing with the apocalyptic world in which she's having to survive. He not only taught her how to shoot. He also taught her how to deal with the hardest choices she'll ever have to make...i.e., choosing between two friends under the most trying circumstances and with the worst possible consequences. Now, it'll be a matter of how she learns to live with herself...much like Lee and any other adult survivor in the Walking Dead universe has had to do. That's what makes Season 2 one more step in terms of Clem's evolution. And, as players, we have that opportunity to determine exactly how #OurClementine develops in that regard.
But that's just my two cents...
I can make a thread about my opinion on any character any time I want. Also this thread isn't just me gushing all over Jane, I stated my opinion and was being fairly reasonable when discussing some other points some others have made in the past. I never insulted anyone else for their opinion in this thread, so I don't know why you would feel the need to get frustrated at me for that. On a side not in case you didn't know, there is a title stating what every thread is about, so if you don't want to see a certain thread then maybe don't click on it in the first place? Seems pretty simple to me.
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I don't know, my Clem told her that she does not know hot to drive when you refuse to drink the alcohol and Jane still told her to drive the truck to escape the walkers anyway. Jane does not listen to Clementine and then they crash a truck, sounds like she doesn't really care. jk!
"You're both acting like children. Can't we have one discussion without being at eachother's throats? -Clem 2014
...hahahahahahahhahahahahahahah
I was misspelling on purpose ^^
She cares about Clem, but only because she sees her as Jamie 2.0
Otherwise, she wouldn't give a crap about her. If Clem was two years older or younger, maybe their relationship would be entirely different.
This is how I see it.
Clementine is just Jane's replacement of Jaime. She put AJ in a freezing cold car, that his crying could attract walkers to, and without any supervision, all just to prove to Clementine that Kenny would go batshit crazy if he lost the baby? WELL, YEAH? Of course he wound! She led Kenny on to think that she let the baby die? Like, what the fuck? You put a baby's life in danger, (determinately) killed Clementine's loyal friend, and then try to say "I can understand if you're upset." Uh... what? And all of that just to prove that he wasn't sane and that you actions clearly were? no, Jane. no.
She's just as mental as Kenny, and at least Kenny's got some real, loyal feelings for Clementine.
Sorry Jane lovers, but I just don't swing her way.
What, by having a reasonable discussion and (at least, trying to) bringing up some good points?
Yeah, of course we are.
It's a freaking video game. Get over it.
In my opinion, DA2 is a perfectly fine game, it has all the banter and character you expect from Dragon Age, but the story feels... constrained, mostly because Kirkwall isn't that interesting. I'm sure Inquisition will be better (we still have Varric), but I'll wait until I've played it before I have a proper opinion. Now I just need to replay Origins and 2 in time for it's release.
Did you not see the responses your thread caused? when people can start acting in a respectable way to everyone then sure, but that isn't happening.
Kenny didn't manipulate Clem, everything he said and did came right from his heart, there was no hidden motives there. Kenny was asking her for help plain and simple.
Uh, Jane was lying she said AJ was dead, Jane was completely intentional...
Looking at the name of the topic starter i know it will be a useless conversation.
And what Clem said is also valant on this forum "Both you guys(jane and kenny) are acting like children" and their fans take it to the next level. If you finished the game why bitch about it when someone chooses the other person?
Manipulation seeks to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of other people. You can be both truthful and manipulative. You're demonstrating my point when I say that it only feels like manipulation when you disagree with somebody. He spent the last episode basically trying to browbeat Clem into distrusting Jane. Odds are that you agreed with him and you didn't see it as manipulation but that doesn't make it any less manipulative.
Kenny dislikes Jane we know that. Kenny tells Clem to take his side because Jane can't be trusted. There's no hidden agenda or motive there, he just urging Clem to take his side. All he does is continue to ask her. He doesn't force her to, or tries to do anything mentally to do so.
Jane on the other hand disliked Kenny. Jane asks you to leave/distrust Kenny. Whether you disagree or agree with her, she still lies about killing a baby, just so she can hopefully push Clem over to her side. If you agree with her, that's bad, she shouldn't have to kill Kenny or wreck his mind just to get Clem on her side. If you disagree with her then its worse, making Clem turn and shoot one of her friends, or think he's a monster. This whole paragraph explains Jane is manipulative and poor Kenny did nothing on this level.
People think that because Clementine reminds Jane of herself, she wants to keep her to herself which means shes selfish
Shanks your Jory...
To be fair if we can't really lecture other games for disappointing second games cause...Season 2...
(BET YOU WISH THERE WAS A DISLIKE BUTTON NOW HUH!)
One of the first things she tells you in the last episode Clem needs to be the one to reel him back in because she's the only one he trusts. Then Kenny demonstrates how unhinged he is throughout the rest of the episode.
There doesn't need to be a hidden agenda or motive for it to be manipulative. His agenda is clear, and his tactic is emotional manipulation.
Kenny doesn't trust Jane - he shares that openly. Jane doesn't trust Kenny - she shares that openly. Being open about it doesn't make it any less manipulative.
You remind me of somebody with Stockholm Syndrome.
How do I remind you of someone with Stockholm Syndrome?
Kenny didn't use emotional manipulation, he was just asking Clementine to be on his side and help him, simply because he trusts Clementine as you mentioned. Asking someone this isn't manipulating them. Trust me, if Kenny didn't trust Clem he wouldn't ask her.
BET YOU WISH THERE WAS "DON'T MAKE BOLD ASSUMPTIONS" BUTTON, EH?
No, seriously, I'm not about to make a speech about how you are wrong or right with this opinion. Your opinion is your own, and I'm not going to agree or try to convince you otherwise.