He tells her to put her feet off the dash so he can thoroughly see the road, and she says that he probably cant see lots of things these days. Then he says that. Jane started the arguments
Jane risked her life at the lake, in order to save Clementines life. She risked her life to save Luke and Sarah. She risked her life when they were outside Carvers base and Troy came outside. She risked her life by sneaking behind russian guy and stabbing him to next, saving Kennys life.
Kenny was the one who gave walkie talkie to Clementine in the first place. It was only fair to take the blame for it.
Kenny fans just keep discrediting everything Jane does.
If her life depended on it, yes she would. That's why I stick with kenny, he lost a fucking eye because of us. And, he gets really defensive when people hurt clementine. 1.Troy , 2.Arvo/mike
Mine didn't contain sarcasm and was a genuine question to OP which he/she then answered reasonably. That's hardly unnecessary in comparison to yours which simply came across as shallow sarcasm tailored to bringing in an argument. No need to pull apart OP's reasoning when it's blatantly well-founded and understandable.
Truth is, I'm tired of all the Kenny vs Jane bullshit plaguing the forum currently and seeing people make stupid one-sentence responses to zykelator annoyed me.
Well the mental problems that i was referring to was her unhealthy attraction to Clementine. She was grooming her to become Jane 2.0. She obviously has emotional problems with regard to her sissy.
A normal rational person wouldn't get into a fight over a lie, leave a baby unattended in a ZA, in the middle of a snowstorm.
The fact the she doesnt care about random humans in zombie apocalypse doesnt mean she has mental problems...
And when Clem asked if she wou… moreld leave her behind she said something like "i wouldnt have to" meaning that she knew Clementine was strong and wouldnt just give up on living.
She saw Clementine as her little sister. Just like how Lee saw Clementine as her daughter, or Kenny AJ as his son. Nothing wrong with that. And people do stupid things in order to protect their loved ones.
The reason Jane left in the first place was because she knew that she was getting emotionally attached to Clementine, and she didnt want to see people she cared about die. (traumatized by the death of her little sister.)
Well the mental problems that i was referring to was her unhealthy attraction to Clementine. She was grooming her to become Jane 2.0. She … moreobviously has emotional problems with regard to her sissy.
A normal rational person wouldn't get into a fight over a lie, leave a baby unattended in a ZA, in the middle of a snowstorm.
2.She didn't give 2 shits about sarah, she didn't try. She wanted her dead and tried to trick clem, just like with kenny. She is a manipulative whore.
3.She killed troy for her own sake, since her life depended on it.
4.She saved clem, big fucking whoop. We both know she also came back for luke, that's why she considers leaving again. She then has no problem leaving later on.
5.it wasn't necessary, and it was lukes plan. He took the full blame on it, possibly saving everybody's life that were in the scene.
Jane risked her life at the lake, in order to save Clementines life. She risked her life to save Luke and Sarah. She risked her life when th… moreey were outside Carvers base and Troy came outside. She risked her life by sneaking behind russian guy and stabbing him to next, saving Kennys life.
Kenny was the one who gave walkie talkie to Clementine in the first place. It was only fair to take the blame for it.
Kenny fans just keep discrediting everything Jane does.
Truth is, I'm tired of all the Kenny vs Jane bullshit plaguing the forum currently and seeing people make stupid one-sentence responses to zykelator annoyed me.
Then you shouldn't vent on me, i consider myself quite neutral on the whole thing. They're both crazy. Calling Jane rational is irrational to me.
Mine didn't contain sarcasm and was a genuine question to OP which he/she then answered reasonably. That's hardly unnecessary in comparison … moreto yours which simply came across as shallow sarcasm tailored to bringing in an argument. No need to pull apart OP's reasoning when it's blatantly well-founded and understandable.
Truth is, I'm tired of all the Kenny vs Jane bullshit plaguing the forum currently and seeing people make stupid one-sentence responses to zykelator annoyed me.
I don't think Telltale should forgo their current story and the emotional attachment they've built up for their fans so that new people can start on Season 3. I also don't think it's harsh that someone should have to start at Season 1 so Season 3 will make more sense. Sudden breaks in continuity for the sake of attracting new fans will not sit well with the old fans.
I was never venting on you specifically, lol... I was just expressing my frustration about how people constantly seem to complain about all the arguments on the forum and then subconsciously encourage it themselves.
Truth is, I'm tired of all the Kenny vs Jane bullshit plaguing the forum currently and seeing people make stupid one-sentence responses to z… moreykelator annoyed me.
Then you shouldn't vent on me, i consider myself quite neutral on the whole thing. They're both crazy. Calling Jane rational is irrational to me.
She saw Clementine as her little sister. Just like how Lee saw Clementine as her daughter, or Kenny AJ as his son. Nothing wrong with that. … moreAnd people do stupid things in order to protect their loved ones.
The reason Jane left in the first place was because she knew that she was getting emotionally attached to Clementine, and she didnt want to see people she cared about die. (traumatized by the death of her little sister.)
. I was just expressing my frustration about how people constantly seem to complain about all the arguments on the forum and then subconsciously encourage it themselves.
Trust me, i feel your pain with all the Kenny V Jane threads.
I was never venting on you specifically, lol... I was just expressing my frustration about how people constantly seem to complain about all the arguments on the forum and then subconsciously encourage it themselves.
. I was just expressing my frustration about how people constantly seem to complain about all the arguments on the forum and then subconsciously encourage it themselves.
Trust me, i feel your pain with all the Kenny V Jane threads.
Sarah was lost cause. She had to leave her sister behind and she realized that same had to be done there. Sarah wouldnt have survived in that world for very long
By killing troy she still saved whole group.
She said that Clem is 90% of the reason she came back.
You say that she hasnt risked her life in order to save others, I proved you wrong.
1.No she didn't
2.She didn't give 2 shits about sarah, she didn't try. She wanted her dead and tried to trick clem, just like with kenny.… more She is a manipulative whore.
3.She killed troy for her own sake, since her life depended on it.
4.She saved clem, big fucking whoop. We both know she also came back for luke, that's why she considers leaving again. She then has no problem leaving later on.
5.it wasn't necessary, and it was lukes plan. He took the full blame on it, possibly saving everybody's life that were in the scene.
there's nothing to discredit.
I strongly, strongly disagree. On every single point. Plus, this part...
"Mainly because people who buy only new season, wont have similar emotional attachment to Clementine as rest of us, since they dont know her story."
Well that's their fault for not playing Season One and Two first. If that's really the case, you could make the exact same argument with the TV show and even the comics! They've been following Rick and Carl since day 1 and it still does! And in the comic timeline, it's well past 4 years now. I hate this counter-argument since it's more the fault of the person who just simply doesn't want to go back and watch/play/read the previous stories. That's like watching Star Wars Episode VI before IV and V. And watching Back to the Future Part III before the first two. You get the idea.
Changing the protagonist every season is also in general just not a good idea. The transition from Lee to Clementine worked since you trained her AS Lee. Thus, transitioning over to her was somewhat seamless and sensible. Changing to a new protagonist wouldn't work well in the writing stand-point in my opinion. Granted, that part is strongly opinionated. But people do need to remember, Clementine is a young character. Only eleven years old. And because of that, she has amazing character potential ahead. And I want to be part of her journey every step of the way.
1.To you, she was a lost cause. Sorry but I wouldn't let a 15 year old girl die because she's deemed "useless" without actually trying to properly train her.
2.Okay but she saved herself, right? Right. Point proven.
3.Percentages my ass. SO if that WERE true, luke would be the 3 or 5 %. If he were, then she wouldn't consider leaving and abandoning clem like she did then and in the car.
4.that bitch might've risked her life, but I never said she hasn't. Quote me if i'm wrong, which I'm not boo.
And embarrassing? No girl, you stating that is "embarrassing" itself.
Sarah was lost cause. She had to leave her sister behind and she realized that same had to be done there. Sarah wouldnt have survived in tha… moret world for very long
By killing troy she still saved whole group.
She said that Clem is 90% of the reason she came back.
You say that she hasnt risked her life in order to save others, I proved you wrong.
Just stop embarrassing yourself even more.
This poster isn't worth your frustrations. Check their posts and you will see the same garbage about how shes right and everyone else is irrational and emotional. It's just a troll. You're not embarrassing yourself:)
1.To you, she was a lost cause. Sorry but I wouldn't let a 15 year old girl die because she's deemed "useless" without actually trying to pr… moreoperly train her.
2.Okay but she saved herself, right? Right. Point proven.
3.Percentages my ass. SO if that WERE true, luke would be the 3 or 5 %. If he were, then she wouldn't consider leaving and abandoning clem like she did then and in the car.
4.that bitch might've risked her life, but I never said she hasn't. Quote me if i'm wrong, which I'm not boo.
And embarrassing? No girl, you stating that is "embarrassing" itself.
They can't sacrifice the story to the hardcore fans who have been there from the beginning just to support a few people who can't be arsed to play the first 2 seasons...
Oh my god just... no... No new protagonist that I won't even care about...
I really don't agree with OP's logic here. If people want to get into The Walking Dead game, why would they start anywhere but with season one?
Same goes with tv shows, should they restart their story every single season just so that potential new viewers wouldn't feel like they missed out on something? Of course not. Those viewers could simply watch the earlier seasons.
How come? The baby wasnt even important and it was just risking their lives. I wish i could have made my Clementine more like Jane and leave the baby...
And people do stupid things in order to protect their loved ones.
If the baby didn't cry would Jane been able to find it, or would she of just walked away from it? Leaving it unattended is beyond stupid.
matter of opinion. I think she was a lost cause, considering how weak she was mentally.
still doesnt change the fact that she saved group.
Jane left first time because she started to care about Clementine and didnt want to see her die. Cant say anything about the car scene, but if she were leaving, she would have probably asked Clementine to come with her (that scene after Kenny leaves the car)
I don't think she would let Clementine die. to which you replied = If her life depended on it, yes she would'
4 You said she wouldnt risk her life, i proved you wrong, you lied about your previous statement.
1.To you, she was a lost cause. Sorry but I wouldn't let a 15 year old girl die because she's deemed "useless" without actually trying to pr… moreoperly train her.
2.Okay but she saved herself, right? Right. Point proven.
3.Percentages my ass. SO if that WERE true, luke would be the 3 or 5 %. If he were, then she wouldn't consider leaving and abandoning clem like she did then and in the car.
4.that bitch might've risked her life, but I never said she hasn't. Quote me if i'm wrong, which I'm not boo.
And embarrassing? No girl, you stating that is "embarrassing" itself.
I really don't agree with OP's logic here. If people want to get into The Walking Dead game, why would they start anywhere but with season o… morene?
Same goes with tv shows, should they restart their story every single season just so that potential new viewers wouldn't feel like they missed out on something? Of course not. Those viewers could simply watch the earlier seasons.
Sure, I wouldn't mind, so long as they show us his or her story up to that point and the exposition of said flashbacks isn't hamhanded. But they can still do this with an already established character. Having already played season 1 was just a bonus for caring about Clem. What really matters is
that it makes sense why the protagonist is where they are and doing what they're doing
interactive narrative, which they've got nailed down
making it all about the NPCs
I've said it before, and I think anybody who's ever played a Zelda game will agree that fleshing out the characters and making them relevant makes up for a voiceless/faceless/bland protagonist. Dropping us into Clem's shoes was just an added bonus because she was a character we'd interacted with before as someone else. So if Telltale can continue to manage that, they don't really have to make much effort in getting us to feel emotionally for Clem since they've already done such a good job in the earlier seasons. A new player should be able to care about the other characters when they start their adventure. Fleshed out and believable NPCs do a good job of keeping the boat afloat more than you know.
For 5 completely different scenarios to merge so perfectly into one would throw away Telltale Game's credibility as good writers. If TTG couldn't even handle determinant characters this season after their first initial death, what makes you think that they will be able to handle 5 branching storylines? The walking dead's choices never mattered in the grand scheme of things, they just tailored the gameplay. That isn't suddenly going to change.
Yeah, tying up the endings would be hard but that doesn't mean they're not going to do exactly that. I'm almost certain Telltale have what i… moret takes to make them all impactful on Season 3.
Telltale already have a large enough audience to make money off of The Walking Dead for many more years... They don't need to attract any new players. Their other titles such as The Wolf Among Us do that for them, so that argument's more or less irrelevant.
Also... How would a timeskip ruin everything? If Kenny/Jane end up dead then so be it.
You do realise that another season with Clem implies that she will go through more suffering and more loss? As we all know TTG has a reputation for making us sad, we could possibly see AJ or even Clem die next season if she is the protagonist again.
No Clem, no season 3. Or they can just make a new game named something like ''The Walking Dead: New character story season 1''. If Clem dies, the series ends. That's it.
How come? The baby wasnt even important and it was just risking their lives. I wish i could have made my Clementine more like Jane and leave the baby...
To be fair, You should try to empathize with Sarah, her only parent just died. So you should probably give her a break. To me it was completely understandable.
* matter of opinion. I think she was a lost cause, considering how weak she was mentally.
* still doesnt change the fact that she saved gro… moreup.
* Jane left first time because she started to care about Clementine and didnt want to see her die. Cant say anything about the car scene, but if she were leaving, she would have probably asked Clementine to come with her (that scene after Kenny leaves the car)
I don't think she would let Clementine die. to which you replied = If her life depended on it, yes she would'
4 You said she wouldnt risk her life, i proved you wrong, you lied about your previous statement.
Well she wouldnt have survived much longer anyway imo. She just didnt have what it takes to survive za. I wouldnt risk my life trying to convince someone like Sarah to continue. But it was up to Clementine to convince her to come anyway, since she was her friend.
considering how weak she was mentally
To be fair, You should try to empathize with Sarah, her only parent just died. So you should probably give her a break. To me it was completely understandable.
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Jane was just annoying him because Kenny was being prick. Kenny was the one who went to personalities.
This post gave me cancer.
Jane risked her life at the lake, in order to save Clementines life. She risked her life to save Luke and Sarah. She risked her life when they were outside Carvers base and Troy came outside. She risked her life by sneaking behind russian guy and stabbing him to next, saving Kennys life.
Kenny was the one who gave walkie talkie to Clementine in the first place. It was only fair to take the blame for it.
Kenny fans just keep discrediting everything Jane does.
I feel the exact same about yours.
Mine didn't contain sarcasm and was a genuine question to OP which he/she then answered reasonably. That's hardly unnecessary in comparison to yours which simply came across as shallow sarcasm tailored to bringing in an argument. No need to pull apart OP's reasoning when it's blatantly well-founded and understandable.
Truth is, I'm tired of all the Kenny vs Jane bullshit plaguing the forum currently and seeing people make stupid one-sentence responses to zykelator annoyed me.
Well the mental problems that i was referring to was her unhealthy attraction to Clementine. She was grooming her to become Jane 2.0. She obviously has emotional problems with regard to her sissy.
A normal rational person wouldn't get into a fight over a lie, leave a baby unattended in a ZA, in the middle of a snowstorm.
She saw Clementine as her little sister. Just like how Lee saw Clementine as her daughter, or Kenny AJ as his son. Nothing wrong with that. And people do stupid things in order to protect their loved ones.
The reason Jane left in the first place was because she knew that she was getting emotionally attached to Clementine, and she didnt want to see people she cared about die. (traumatized by the death of her little sister.)
1.No she didn't
2.She didn't give 2 shits about sarah, she didn't try. She wanted her dead and tried to trick clem, just like with kenny. She is a manipulative whore.
3.She killed troy for her own sake, since her life depended on it.
4.She saved clem, big fucking whoop. We both know she also came back for luke, that's why she considers leaving again. She then has no problem leaving later on.
5.it wasn't necessary, and it was lukes plan. He took the full blame on it, possibly saving everybody's life that were in the scene.
there's nothing to discredit.
Then you shouldn't vent on me, i consider myself quite neutral on the whole thing. They're both crazy. Calling Jane rational is irrational to me.
I don't think Telltale should forgo their current story and the emotional attachment they've built up for their fans so that new people can start on Season 3. I also don't think it's harsh that someone should have to start at Season 1 so Season 3 will make more sense. Sudden breaks in continuity for the sake of attracting new fans will not sit well with the old fans.
I was never venting on you specifically, lol... I was just expressing my frustration about how people constantly seem to complain about all the arguments on the forum and then subconsciously encourage it themselves.
If the baby didn't cry would Jane been able to find it, or would she of just walked away from it? Leaving it unattended is beyond stupid.
Trust me, i feel your pain with all the Kenny V Jane threads.
Good.
Imo they were both at fault but that didn't stop me from feeling like shit about shooting Kenny after seeing his respective endings.
Sarah was lost cause. She had to leave her sister behind and she realized that same had to be done there. Sarah wouldnt have survived in that world for very long
By killing troy she still saved whole group.
She said that Clem is 90% of the reason she came back.
You say that she hasnt risked her life in order to save others, I proved you wrong.
Just stop embarrassing yourself even more.
My ending was letting Kenny kill Jane, i felt guilty until i found out she lied about the baby. Then i felt justified.
I will quote a very dead guy here....
"Jesus are you fucking kidding me??"
I strongly, strongly disagree. On every single point. Plus, this part...
"Mainly because people who buy only new season, wont have similar emotional attachment to Clementine as rest of us, since they dont know her story."
Well that's their fault for not playing Season One and Two first. If that's really the case, you could make the exact same argument with the TV show and even the comics! They've been following Rick and Carl since day 1 and it still does! And in the comic timeline, it's well past 4 years now. I hate this counter-argument since it's more the fault of the person who just simply doesn't want to go back and watch/play/read the previous stories. That's like watching Star Wars Episode VI before IV and V. And watching Back to the Future Part III before the first two. You get the idea.
Changing the protagonist every season is also in general just not a good idea. The transition from Lee to Clementine worked since you trained her AS Lee. Thus, transitioning over to her was somewhat seamless and sensible. Changing to a new protagonist wouldn't work well in the writing stand-point in my opinion. Granted, that part is strongly opinionated. But people do need to remember, Clementine is a young character. Only eleven years old. And because of that, she has amazing character potential ahead. And I want to be part of her journey every step of the way.
Halo's a bad example. Halo went shit after halo 3.
This coming from an avid halo 3 player XD
1.To you, she was a lost cause. Sorry but I wouldn't let a 15 year old girl die because she's deemed "useless" without actually trying to properly train her.
2.Okay but she saved herself, right? Right. Point proven.
3.Percentages my ass. SO if that WERE true, luke would be the 3 or 5 %. If he were, then she wouldn't consider leaving and abandoning clem like she did then and in the car.
4.that bitch might've risked her life, but I never said she hasn't. Quote me if i'm wrong, which I'm not boo.
And embarrassing? No girl, you stating that is "embarrassing" itself.
This poster isn't worth your frustrations. Check their posts and you will see the same garbage about how shes right and everyone else is irrational and emotional. It's just a troll. You're not embarrassing yourself:)
No!!!!!!! clem's story hasn't end yet -_- sure even the finale was a mystery to me.... after i went with jane
And my reaction when that happens
They can't sacrifice the story to the hardcore fans who have been there from the beginning just to support a few people who can't be arsed to play the first 2 seasons...
Oh my god just... no... No new protagonist that I won't even care about...
I really don't agree with OP's logic here. If people want to get into The Walking Dead game, why would they start anywhere but with season one?
Same goes with tv shows, should they restart their story every single season just so that potential new viewers wouldn't feel like they missed out on something? Of course not. Those viewers could simply watch the earlier seasons.
It's actually Cimentine but a capital I haha (sorry if this is kind of off topic)
How come? The baby wasnt even important and it was just risking their lives. I wish i could have made my Clementine more like Jane and leave the baby...
I didn't buy the 400 DLC cuz it didn't have Lee or Clem and I probably wouldn't buy S3 if Clem isn't the main char.
4 You said she wouldnt risk her life, i proved you wrong, you lied about your previous statement.
Because i dont think people are ready to buy 2 game and invest time in them, in order to like 3rd game (which they also have to buy).
Sure, I wouldn't mind, so long as they show us his or her story up to that point and the exposition of said flashbacks isn't hamhanded. But they can still do this with an already established character. Having already played season 1 was just a bonus for caring about Clem. What really matters is
I've said it before, and I think anybody who's ever played a Zelda game will agree that fleshing out the characters and making them relevant makes up for a voiceless/faceless/bland protagonist. Dropping us into Clem's shoes was just an added bonus because she was a character we'd interacted with before as someone else. So if Telltale can continue to manage that, they don't really have to make much effort in getting us to feel emotionally for Clem since they've already done such a good job in the earlier seasons. A new player should be able to care about the other characters when they start their adventure. Fleshed out and believable NPCs do a good job of keeping the boat afloat more than you know.
I personally think we should have Christa for season 3.
Think about it, it's her search for finding Clementine and Wellington.
Wow.
That's a little harsh.
But then past Season choices won't matter much or at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nTX4NxUcpo
Greg is close to telltale and he says that Clem's story is far from over around 2:17... so that says something doesn't it?
For 5 completely different scenarios to merge so perfectly into one would throw away Telltale Game's credibility as good writers. If TTG couldn't even handle determinant characters this season after their first initial death, what makes you think that they will be able to handle 5 branching storylines? The walking dead's choices never mattered in the grand scheme of things, they just tailored the gameplay. That isn't suddenly going to change.
You do realise that another season with Clem implies that she will go through more suffering and more loss? As we all know TTG has a reputation for making us sad, we could possibly see AJ or even Clem die next season if she is the protagonist again.
No Clem, no season 3. Or they can just make a new game named something like ''The Walking Dead: New character story season 1''. If Clem dies, the series ends. That's it.
Really?? I'm heartless but i'm not that heartless.
To be fair, You should try to empathize with Sarah, her only parent just died. So you should probably give her a break. To me it was completely understandable.
Well she wouldnt have survived much longer anyway imo. She just didnt have what it takes to survive za. I wouldnt risk my life trying to convince someone like Sarah to continue. But it was up to Clementine to convince her to come anyway, since she was her friend.