That F'n Arvo caused your hate.

Ive not seen it in the topics so thought I'd bring it up. I keep seeing this one interaction being hailed as the turning point for people abandoning Kenny and I just dont get it.

The problem is Arvo.

When we leave to go help Jane in episode 4 were given a certain order to do things in and a different scene depending on the time of day we arrive and I believe this is a very important point. If you help Bonnie and Mike get water first you arrive to meet Jane at a noticibly later time (late afternoon/evening as opposed to mid afternoon), the same thing happens to the time of day if you meet Jane first, but since the walker with Bonnie and Mike isn't going anywhere its not a drastic plot point. So why do I care?

It stands in my mind that if Arvo walks upon you and Jane at 3pm, he should be gone if I dont meet up with Jane until 5pm. I know its a plot point and this event must happen to continue the story, but it says to me at no point is Arvo aware of the group in the entire afternoon he''s been scavenging the area (which he must have been doing to be there at 3 and at 5).

We know Arvo has a bad leg and walks slowly, we also know he's at least 2 days walk from his base camp maybe more as I cant remember how long they walk before that scene starts. So this means Arvo is out on a scavenge. So why is it when we encounter Arvo for the first time and hide to observe him we see he's only interested in hiding med's in the rubbish bin instead of taking them with him back to his base or scavenging for more items?

ARVO IS STEALING FROM HIS OWN GROUP, THE RUSSIANS!

If you refuse to steal his med's Jane keeps his gun, which is a fair exchange in the apocalypse as it stops Arvo from walking 30ft away and emptying the gun at them. But when we encounter him later after AJ is born he still accuses us of stealing no matter what we picked. This whole gunfight involving 2 groups is all over one revolver that both sides seem to have pleanty of? Unlikely, but a bag of meds is worth fighting over. If you didnt steal them, and the russians dont have them, that means Arvo has hidden them and lied to his people. Yes he might say he wishes he'd met us in a nicer time because we share "a rare kindness" but he has told this group of Russians, who speak no english at all, that he was robbed not by just a group but by Clementine by name.

"Clemintine.. your name we know". I believe Arvo's sister is indeed sick and that he loved her as he tries like mad to revive her after shes shot and in order to keep his sister safe he's been keeping parts of his scavenge that he's not supposed to keep. When the chance to keep ALL the medicine comes around all Arvo needs to say to the non-english speaking Russians is that he was robbed. What will they do, ask you and your group to speak Russian? Its what Arvo says at this point, he could say that you and your group are insulting them with swear words, they would'nt know and I dont speak Russian so I have no idea whats being said.

I think somethin in Kenny twigged onto this which is why he wanted to kill Arvo at the start, not just blind rage because Clem had to shoot zombie-mom, but because he's been through that BS with Ben already and knows the look of a "shit-bird" when he see's it. Then Luke dies which again is Arvo's fault as hes trying to flee from the group hoping they will just take the house and leave him alone or fall through the ice (who the hell walks on a frozen lake as a regular, reliable means to get to their base??).

The whole thing was a justified response, a starving baby, one, maybe 2 people with hypothermia (if you didnt try to save luke), the thought that your going to see more people you love die of which you only have 1 and this new baby who your falling in love with.

Things would of been ALOT different in peoples minds if when Kenny re-met Clem he simply ASKED how she met this group. At which point Clem would of mentioned how downright horrible everyone in the group has been aside from Sarah and Luke and the now dead old man. About how Ben2 (nick) damn near shot her head off, left her for dead by a river, how they left her in a shed bleeding with a torn open arm, about how the pregnant woman was telling people to shoot her and how happy she'll be when Clem leaves. And Kennys reaction would of PROVED to people just how much Kenny was willing to do to protect his family..

Right in the feels.