The Carver storyline.
Back in episodes 1 and 2, it felt like they were going to do a lot with Carver but his storyline ended in episode 3 and after that, the Carver plot was replaced by the baby storyline and the Kenny going crazy plot.
I feel like they should of done more with Carver, like not kill him off in episode 3 and then him coming back at the end of episode 4 with his crew(including Vince, Wyatt, Russell, Shel and Becca), attacking the group and wanting the baby, atleast it wouldn't feel so random like with Arvo and the russians. And of course, he meets his demise in episode 5.
But, then again, this is just my opinion. What do you guys think? Do you think that they should of done more with Carver in this season or you are perfect with how his story ended?
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Then he'd be named Governor not Carver
I think it was a bad decision to Kill him off, the whole being held captive thing could have worked longer than it did. Wasted a whole story line and character. As you said them hunting them down for the baby could have been interesting. (even though they was on the run for a while before.)
It explained why Carver's storyline was underwhelming in the '5 things you didn't know about the walking dead' video IGN made.
Carver originally wasn't going to be a big villain, just one bad person involved in the community, like Troy.
They changed his role because they managed to hire a big name to voice him.
Personally I hope this is the last time Telltale allows the allure of fame to alter the nature of their story.
To be frank, Carver had been built up in the first episode as a violent and frightening man - the cabin survivors' behavior indicates that he would have no qualms about using children as tools or gunning down other survivors with extreme prejudice. I was fully expecting him to be the Season's villain. Predictability in this case would have provided for a more dramatic and interesting plot.
Instead, he dies for Kenny's character development. I honestly wish somebody else - hell, maybe even Clem - would have been the one to kill him.
To be honest I never really found Carver all that interesting. I thought it was great they wrapped him up by the end of episode 3 to move the plot along with something else more challenging. But I guess its because he reminded me of just another The Governor\Negan type of characters. The tyrannical evil leader of a survivor community. The Stranger from last season I felt was better than Carver though Stranger was more insane than just plain wicked like Carver was depicted. I am thinking maybe in Season 3 they might have us play from the point of view as someone like Carver and as an antagonist rather than protagonist. I would like to see how it would be to play as the cunning Governor or evilly funny Negan characters whom we might control to attack Clementine's camp whichever one she may be dwelling at at the time of season 3 (Howe's/Wellington).
All thanks to how horrible episode 3 was.
By the end of episode 2 I was DYING to find out more about Carver. Episode 3's description hyped me into believing more of TT's bullshit
"Captured, bloody and beaten; Clementine and her group learn what it’s like to live under the heel of a leader whose intelligence is rivaled only by his propensity for brutal violence."
Carver intelligent? LOL screw this Season
Well Yeah, but hey if nothing else episode 3 did have the best end credits song in my opinion. Episode 4 was probably the worst of the season in spite of having the best trailer of the season. Carver seemed to be intelligent in episode 2 and by the time he got to 3 it was like he just took off the mask, let loose and became a maniac with no true purpose or motives..
Episode 3 fucked the whole season.
I hated Carver because he was killing innocent people, but when he slapped clem and then beat kenny's eye, it was fuxin' on. But overall there was not much to his character, I did however think that he would be around till ep .5
This was my initial thoughts about season 2 storyline.
Episode 1 and 2 will be about Clem and group getting chased by Carver's group, which eventually culminate with their capture.
Episode 3 and 4 will be about their time in his community. Episode 3 won't end with their escape but with a big shocker, perhaps a big character death. Episode 4 will deal with what happens, Clem and the others begins a rebellion and eventually resulted in the destruction of Carver's community. Thus the title "Amid the Ruins"
Episode 5, the season finale, will deal with Clem and the remaining survivor trying to survive the harsh winter. They can't go back to Carver's destroyed community, thus "No Going Back".
This makes so much sense. Also, files found in episode 2 show that the baby probably wasn't going to make it.
For one, they should have made Carver into an interesting, dynamic, character instead of turning him into a Governor clone and they should have at least tried to further develop his community and arc into something interesting, instead we get a rather rushed and underwhelming Kenny episode.
Carver Prequel dlc pls
I liked Carver, he's one of my favs in S2. Too bad they killed him off, that was fricking waste of potential.
If you say so. Episode 3 was the best in S2 in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX3Df1pkFyU&feature=player_embedded
I think the Carver plotline was a disappointment because it ended so abruptly
Clem starts a rebellion?
RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE CLEMENTINES
COMING TO THREATERS NEAR YOU
(Someone should make that poster from the Planet Of The Apes with Ceaser holing his hand up in the air, with those apes behind him)
Ceaser=Clem
Apes=Clem's group
As soon as I finished 202, I was pumped. Carver was my main point of interest in the season, for some reason. It was a long wait until 203 came out, and there he was, dead, killed by Kenny. Damn, they kill off a major part of the season too early, and the one who tore Carver's face off was Kenny. It should have been Carlos or Rebecca. Carver was wasted in my opinion, as he could have been the replacement of the Russians, too.
After Episode 2 Carver was one of my favorites. I was interested in him as I never was interested before. He was so creepy yet so fascinating. And then Episode 3 happened...
I agree but random groups do meet in TWDG, look at the bandits in S1 and the scavengers in S2
The Governor is cunning?
Carver was cliched in how outright villainous he was, but I can't deny that he had a very menacing and powerful presence that made the Season feel weaker once he was killed off. Particularly in his first encounter with Clem, where even my intuition that the protagonist wouldn't come to harm was overwhelmed by how vulnerable a little girl would feel when trying to match wits with a sociopath.
You wanted Clem to kill him? So did I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OPNmbB9Fd6g&list=UUbAXWPvZpDCdDNsc581-0aA
i love how sexy lee is tbh in this video
I'm not even kidding - I was eager for Clementine to murder someone as evil as him.
I agree with you, I wanted Clem to be the one who bashed his head in.
Well, not kill him in the exact manner Kenny had. But considering how 'edgy' the Season was meant to be, having Clementine consciously choose to coldly murder someone - even if they were a total monster - would have been a culmination of the pragmatic path she's supposedly meant to take.
Imagine if this had been the climactic moment of Amid The Ruins or No Going Back. A violent confrontation between a young girl and a grown man, the latter of whom is viciously killed by Clem's resourcefulness and desperation. Remember how she was willing to bite Winston's thumb off, break his hand with a rock, and stab him with a branch if it meant surviving? I can imagine her being similarly brutal if it were to save somebody like Sarah - scoring a lucky hit with a hammer or similar metal tool to the eye, then repeatedly bashing his head in until he stops squirming in pain.
Too creepy for you? Well, good. It's 'edgier' than the cliche of men brutalizing other men.
All we need now is someone to model swap Kenny and Jane in No Going Back in the fight and replace them with Clem and Carver.
And what do you mean to creepy for me? I DID want a fight between Clem and Carver.
I'm not sure. I find that the purpose of the Carver storyline was meant to show the world is a terrible place filled with terrible people. It was meant to have the Cabin Group endure that and try to escape its clutches. Yet when they thought they escaped it ended in their downfall.
Nick died partly due to bullet wound. Carlos died as he was shot in the neck. Sarah died as she could not compose herself after her fathers death, alongside that she could have died due to the deck collapsing. Rebecca died due to no doctor to aid, so she died due to blood loss, hypothermia and childbirth exhaustion.
Plus the finale was based around who would Clementine become. Would she be the nice girl she was? A survivor? Or like Carver? (Which was obviously hinting at her shooting Kenny, since Carver described him as a mess who needed to put out of its misery).
I know SOME people would whine about how 'unrealistic' it would be, because "logically" a grown man would always beat a child.
But if the child is as hardened and pragmatic as the Clementine I know? If she's willing to use anything at her advantage and the element of surprise? All she'd have to do is sneak up on him and be lucky with her first hit - stabbing him in the back, or disabling a limb, or hitting him somewhere that would make him collapse in pure agony (crotch).
Or she could just shoot him. Either way, it'd have been more interesting than letting Kenny kill him.
Her fight with Carver would be like Ellie's fight with David in The Last Of Us, and it ends the same way, with the child bashing the adult man's face in.
I thought Carver was going to be this season's villain. But nope, he died with like 5 minutes of screen time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_xY5crlY78&feature=player_embedded
It'll be a walkie talkie battle!
Clem's walkie talkie vs Carver's walkie talkie
This scene is magic