Why are people fighting between each other about the ending? (on who they save)
My opinion on all this.
The story is what you personally saw and reacted to. If you were licking Kenny's nut sack the whole time, you would see Jane as the "bad person" and let her die. Or if you got to know and realize that Jane is aka Molly from season 1 (Molly would become Jane after 2 years of this, she was a loner as well), you would realize she was a good person, she cared for her sister and dragged her through 4 states within those 2 years to keep her alive, until her sister completely gave up on her. Yes she left her sister, because she wanted to die. Jane wasn't ready to give up. So she left her sister and most likely traumatized her to become a loner.
While Kenny, from season 1 was always hot tempered, it was his way or the highway. Though I did side with him in episode 1 until the Larry incident. When Kenny didn't help Lee in the pharmacy because of that, and later on in season 1 where he lost it a few times, until they found a boat and even then after losing it. Kenny wanted to kill Ben even more and would have if given the chance if it wasn't for Lee to talk some sense to him.
Everyone will have a different view on who they saved because it literally is the same reaction. You try to stop Jane from attacking Kenny and she shoves Clem out the way, you stop Kenny same thing. You have to look at the bigger picture and long term effect and that is why I chose to end Kenny's life even though I did like him as a character because he was a survivor, but I felt he had enough heart break and was truly lost at that point so I chose Jane. Plus going North is always a bad idea, surviving winter is much harder than to survive/avoid zombies in the south. where it is warmer. Kenny should of just went to South Florida where his from, the Everglades being all swamp land would slow down the Zombies year round instead of waiting for winter in the north.
I also want to add that I played season 1 and 2 back to back this past weekend and finished yesterday. So all the events that occurred were fresh in my mind. to come to the conclusion that I came to for my play through.
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Because fuck other peoples choices thats why!
Because Telltale succeeded in putting the player into a situation where they had to make a split second morally grey decision that people care about.
Because some people after making these kinds of decisions need to re-affirm their own decision for the sake of their own feelings and when they see others making a claim that implies that they made the "wrong" decision it sends them into cognitive dissonance.
Because people who pick Kenny would generally hate people like Jane, and people who actually like Jane, think usually like Jane.
Jane is for rational/logical (cold, cynical) people. Kenny is for irrational, emotional, family first people. These kinds of people are natural enemies to each others.
And especially saying that Jane is more rational/logical decision makes Kenny fans enraged.
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Yeah, the lady who leaves you and a baby to die is so much better than the man who gives himself up to grant them safety.
Further discussion below:
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Funny, I was thinking the same thing about most Jane fans I've discussed with. What's the point of raising these points again in a neutral thread? Everything you've ever said has been shot down immediately every time you voice them, which is no more rational than what you claim others to be.
You're generalizing, defaming, and trash-talking an entire fanbase in just a badly written sentence.
You're not that rational yourself.
End of discussion.
Yeah, shot down by people who have no understanding what logic and rationality means. People who think its best to take care of the baby, instead of leaving it behind...
Yeah, you are rationally branding everyone who would rationally not shoot Jane as irrational because according to you Kenny is irrational.
The irony is strong in this one.
Check your pal's comment above. Incredibly rational, huh?
I could say the same about Jane fans based on these comments. But, I won't lower myself to that.
Still, you're not doing your fanbase any favors by acting like this. Some of you seem Kennyfied.
Kennyfication bruh
"If you choose the guy who lost an eye for you instead of the girl you met last week, you're dumb."
If that's what being rational is, I'm fine, thanks.
Are you seriously saying Kenny isnt very irrational person?
Kenny>Jane
He is irrational, just like Jane. Why you ask?
You disagree with me therefore you're retarded.
Dats rational thinking, son.
Really though, this is another thread where you don't even have to reply and you've already won the argument.
Bruh, don't "rational" mean "what I think" in latin or sumtin'?
Shhhh! Quiet, Eddie.
I want to be enlightened with their rational arguments.
Well first of all, he is the one that insisted that Clementine has the walkie talkie instead of Mike, even if you say that Mike should have it. Second, Jane has shown to be more reliable and safer companion than Kenny and the fact that she isnt violent and unstable all the time makes her more rational choice.
I dont have time to look after broken people, i rather just leave them behind and dont risk my life by being around them.
What happened with Arvo on the lookout again?
What about Arvo?
Thread Ruined by fanboys, Again.
Oh, you don't remember. Much surprise. Yeah, you know rational Jane threatened a disarmed cribble because of paranoia.
Not violent at all.
Jane is way more rational than Kenny. Only reason she even does anything irrational is because of Clementine.
Right, so threatening Arvo was not irrational? Leaving a child alone with a Walker through the windshield is not irrational? Leaving a baby alone in a frozen old car is not irrational? Pissing off an emotionally broken man by faking a baby's death and verbal abuse is not irrational?
You have no idea what that word means.
Yeah, engineering that whole circus just to put Kenny on the spot is totally normal. She's not violent, huh?
[Insert video of Jane manipulating Troy and giving him one of the most gruesome deaths imaginable here.] Whether Troy deserved it or not, a good person wouldn't have lowered herself to that. She's not as pure as you think.
That was based on vengeance and bloodthirst, just like Kenny killing Carver was.
I'm sorry, but, manipulating someone into shooting an old friend just so you can take her under your wing is a selfish act. Ya'll like to say Kenny saw AJ as Duck 2.0. Well, Jane obviously saw Clem as Jamie 2.0.
No wonder she wanted to get rid of both Ken and Sarah. The two people closest to Clem that could take her away.
Not Luke, he would provide the additional "help".
Everything kenny did was for clem, jane didnt give a damn.
Dey m8ke me sad
And, once again, right you are!
Jane fanboys tend to do that, yeah.
Hell yeah B.
Never claimed Jane was a good person, they are rather rare in zombie apocalypse because all the "i have moral high ground" people died early on. She was obviously angry at Troy for something. Bad sex? Abuse? Rape?
She obviously wanted Troy to suffer, but Kenny just kept bashing Carvers skull long after he was dead. Atleast Jane didnt sit there and watch troy getting eaten, but im not sure which act is worse.
It seemed like Jane thought he could win Kenny in fight, but after Kenny stabbed her leg, she lost the fight and then Kenny went for the kill and forced Clementine to choose. We can only assume if her intentions were to kill Kenny all along, or if she just wanted to win Kenny in fight (without killing him) and then convicing Clementine that Kenny is too dangerous.
She actually saves Kenny and tries to save Sarah before she gives up (because memory of her sister). And later on, If you convince her, she will help Sarah when she gets stuck under the rubble.
Sarah and Clementine werent that close, atleast on my game.
And you have no idea that even rational person can make irrational decision because of other people (you know, caring about others).
She wouldnt have even tried to steal from the kid, but everyone in the group were in shit condition, so she had to atleast try. Even she gets shocked that she did that. Most rational thing to do in that moment would have been killing Arvo, but it was against her own moral values to kill someone who had not harmed her in any way.
Clementine had a gun, and Jane had a baby in her arms and no gun. Would you suggest dropping the baby so she can help Clementine with bare hands?
Letting the baby stay alive was irrational
Like i've said before, all that because she cared about Clementine and that made her act irrational.
Yes he sacrificed himself for me, so i could go on with my life safely, just like he could sacrifice himself letting the kids at Wellington in his ending, i appreciate that, but now i know he can´t be saved anymore, i can´t do nothing for him to be sane again, so i won´t let he pull me down with him and i will let him go.
Ironically, Kenny expects people to follow Jane´s logic in his sacrifices, he doesn´t want you to retribute his sacrifices, he doesn´t want to pull people down with him. For example, he said himself that he would want the group to leave him behind if he doesn´t wake up from his coma after taking Carver´s beating, or when he was really broken because of Sarita´s death, at the tent, he wanted to die for being a burden and disturbing the group in the state that he was, but apparently even stupid Kenny fanboys can´t understand Kenny.
You should be ashamed.
TellTale must be loving this
But, you're claiming she's not unstable and violent. Please, focus. This is example is meant to prove otherwise. A non-violent person would have simply shot him in the head and move on. No big deal.
Well, duh... Walkers were almost on top of them.
It seems obvious to me. She thought that she could either kill Kenny one on one, or, if it came to it, Clementine would do it instead after seeing him like that. You really think your favorite character is an idiot? I don't.
She saved Kenny because Clementine was there. "You're probably 90% of the reason I came back." She doesn't want to help Sarah either time. She only does so once Clementine starts begging. Are we really discussing whether Jane actually cared about Sarah? Jesus Christ.
Let's jump over to how much Vernon and Kenny like each other.
Get out. The grown ups are having a discussion.
That line applies to you.
"You're all irrational monsters.. bu-.. but... if you have a different opinion, you suck."
I'm not trying to hit a nerve. Sorry if I did so.
Hey, I'm sure it's not the first time you get called out for being a hypocrite.