A non-violent person would have simply shot him in the head and move on. No big deal.
Read what i said. She surely had her reasons for doing that.
It seems obvious to me. She thought that she could either kill Kenny one on one, or, if it came to it, Clementine would do it instead after seeing him like that. You really think your favorite character is an idiot? I don't.
I think it was stupid plan, but i dont think her original intentions were to kill Kenny (just like she says later).
She doesn't want to help Sarah either time
First time she was eager to help her, until she saw how the state of Sarahs mind. Clementine even asks her about this later on, that she suddenly just doesnt want to save her and Jane said "ive seen that before". Jane also implies that Sarah wouldnt survive, thus the reason she isnt eager to help her next time. She was a lost cause to her.
Nevet claimed Jane was a good person
But, you're claiming she's not unstable and violent. Please, focus. This is example is meant to… more prove otherwise. A non-violent person would have simply shot him in the head and move on. No big deal.
At least Jane didn't sit there and watch troy get eaten
Well, duh... Walkers were almost on top of them.
It seems obvious to me. She thought that she could either kill Kenny one on one, or, if it came to it, Clementine would do it instead after seeing him like that. You really think your favorite character is an idiot? I don't.
She actually saves Kenny and tries to save Sarah
She saved Kenny because Clementine was there. "You're probably 90% of the reason I came back." She doesn't want to help Sarah either time. She only does so once Clementine starts begging. Are we really discussing whether Jane actually cared about Sarah? Jesus Christ.
Let's jump over to how much Vernon and Kenny like each other.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Killing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of revenge is not healthy.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
"Troy, we talked about this..."
Sounded more like a deal than anything else.
I do. She knew Kenny wouldn't just go away. "Hey, Kenny. I'm taking Clem and AJ with me. Have fun!" Jane is not an idiot. The plan was stupid, but not in the way you think it is.
She doesn't want to help her. She simply didn't oppose, I'll give you that. However, as soon as she saw a red light, "lol fuck no. I go first."
She orders Clementine to leave her and then refuses to help her later on. It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
A non-violent person would have simply shot him in the head and move on. No big deal.
Read what i said. She surely had her reasons f… moreor doing that.
It seems obvious to me. She thought that she could either kill Kenny one on one, or, if it came to it, Clementine would do it instead after seeing him like that. You really think your favorite character is an idiot? I don't.
I think it was stupid plan, but i dont think her original intentions were to kill Kenny (just like she says later).
She doesn't want to help Sarah either time
First time she was eager to help her, until she saw how the state of Sarahs mind. Clementine even asks her about this later on, that she suddenly just doesnt want to save her and Jane said "ive seen that before". Jane also implies that Sarah wouldnt survive, thus the reason she isnt eager to help her next time. She was a lost cause to her.
Because people who pick Kenny would generally hate people like Jane, and people who actually like Jane, think usually like Jane.
Jane is … morefor rational/logical (cold, cynical) people. Kenny is for irrational, emotional, family first people. These kinds of people are natural enemies to each others.
And especially saying that Jane is more rational/logical decision makes Kenny fans enraged.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Killing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of revenge is not healthy.
Yeah, we both agree on this.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
Well you dont just shoot someone to dick for no reason.
It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
because the sex thing?
I'd like to add that Sarah shoudnt have been there in the first place. She doesnt have any skills for combat and didnt even have a gun. She should have stayed inside so wrong place and wrong time.
She surely had her reasons for doing that.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Kill… moreing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of revenge is not healthy.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
"Troy, we talked about this..."
Sounded more like a deal than anything else.
I do. She knew Kenny wouldn't just go away. "Hey, Kenny. I'm taking Clem and AJ with me. Have fun!" Jane is not an idiot. The plan was stupid, but not in the way you think it is.
She doesn't want to help her. She simply didn't oppose, I'll give you that. However, as soon as she saw a red light, "lol fuck no. I go first."
She orders Clementine to leave her and then refuses to help her later on. It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
Well you dont just shoot someone to dick for no reason.
That's my entire point. Just like Kenny, Jane used overly violent methods of punishment as an answer. We can both assume what we want, but, based on dialogue, don't deny it simply looks like a sex-for-safety deal.
I would like to add Sarah shouldnt have been there in the first place.
I agree. This is on TTG, though. Different discussion. A fact is, that wouldn't have been a problem if Jane and Luke hadn't fucked up. She could've slept there for all anyone cares.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Killing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of reven… morege is not healthy.
Yeah, we both agree on this.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
Well you dont just shoot someone to dick for no reason.
It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
because the sex thing?
I'd like to add that Sarah shoudnt have been there in the first place. She doesnt have any skills for combat and didnt even have a gun. She should have stayed inside so wrong place and wrong time.
because the sex thing? I'd like to add that Sarah shoudnt have been there in the first place. She doesnt have any skills for combat and didnt even have a gun. She should have stayed inside so wrong place and wrong time.
Obviously its Sarah's fault that she died, because she didn't stand exactly where she was supposed to!
Lets blame Sarah for Luke's death as well. I'm sure you can find a reason.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Killing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of reven… morege is not healthy.
Yeah, we both agree on this.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
Well you dont just shoot someone to dick for no reason.
It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
because the sex thing?
I'd like to add that Sarah shoudnt have been there in the first place. She doesnt have any skills for combat and didnt even have a gun. She should have stayed inside so wrong place and wrong time.
You should be ashamed
Get out. The grown ups are having a discussion.
That line applies to you.
"You're all irrational monster… mores.. bu-.. but... if you have a different opinion, you suck."
I'm not trying to hit a nerve. Sorry if I did so.
Hey, I'm sure it's not the first time you get called out for being a hypocrite.
You should be ashamed
Get out. The grown ups are having a discussion.
That line applies to you.
"You're all irrational monster… mores.. bu-.. but... if you have a different opinion, you suck."
I'm not trying to hit a nerve. Sorry if I did so.
Hey, I'm sure it's not the first time you get called out for being a hypocrite.
It's just that unlike @zykelator , no one understands the point you are trying to make.
Let me get it straight...
Kenny knew he was dangerous and wanted the kids safe. How does that make him irrational and psychotic? How does that make everyone who picked him stupid?
Stay out of this until you make an actual point. Look how well me and him are doing it.
Oh damn, i´m sorry Carlos, "The adults are talking".
Yeah that´s what people says when they usually don´t have arguments to prove wrong what i said, they talk about random shit.
These Kenny fanboys irrationals...
You start a thread, essentially asking why do people fight over the ending, and at the start of your point, you say "If you were licking Kenny's nut sack the whole time," which is an aggressive opening to your point and clearly making your view towards Kenny fans known.
So, your point is made irrelevant by the fact that you, yourself, have already said something that will cause people to 'fight' over it.
Back at Telltales games their probably thinking: "look at these peasants still arguing about Kenny/Jane".
They're both at fault in different ways. Its about the individual player and what they think is the right thing to do. The two people Clementine cares about most at the time go at each others throat and try to kill each other. They're both assholes for putting Clem through that kind of emotional stress.
Don't get your hopes up.
It's just that unlike @zykelator , no one understands the point you are trying to make.
Let me get it straigh… moret...
Kenny knew he was dangerous and wanted the kids safe. How does that make him irrational and psychotic? How does that make everyone who picked him stupid?
Stay out of this until you make an actual point. Look how well me and him are doing it.
Telltale are fucking loving this I'll bet.
Back at Telltales games their probably thinking: "look at these peasants still arguing about K… moreenny/Jane".
They're both at fault in different ways. Its about the individual player and what they think is the right thing to do. The two people Clementine cares about most at the time go at each others throat and try to kill each other. They're both assholes for putting Clem through that kind of emotional stress.
If you know you are harmful to someone, but refuse to let go, you are pretty damn stupid and selfish. If hes main priority was their safety, most rational decision would be to let them go. Its like drug addict moms wanting to keep their babies. Wouldnt say he is psychotic.
Don't get your hopes up.
It's just that unlike @zykelator , no one understands the point you are trying to make.
Let me get it straigh… moret...
Kenny knew he was dangerous and wanted the kids safe. How does that make him irrational and psychotic? How does that make everyone who picked him stupid?
Stay out of this until you make an actual point. Look how well me and him are doing it.
Jane is for rational/logical (cold, cynical) people. Kenny is for irrational,
Offended much? Dont be a whiny jerk just because you arent cold and heartless bastard like Jane fans are.
Troll.
He probably didn't realize he was being manipulated by Jane. He probably forgot about that. Selective dementia, is known to affect some people from time to time.
If you know you are harmful to someone, but refuse to let go, you are pretty damn stupid and selfish. If hes main priority was their safety,… more most rational decision would be to let them go. Its like drug addict moms wanting to keep their babies. Wouldnt say he is psychotic.
He probably didn't realize he was being manipulated by Jane. He probably forgot about that. Selective dementia, is known to affect some people from time to time.
Both arguments are valid and both sides bring up good points. But where have we gotten with all these arguments since the games release last month?
No where. Because they're simply isn't a right answer. I would give my opinion on the ending , but that's the problem its only an opinion or interpretation.
I know.
Realize how I'm actually admitting Kenny fucks up quite often, though.
Now look at this guy:
"You're all dumb."
"Jane is… more the rational choice."
"Kenny is a crazy fuck."
Anyone denying that Kenny has lost it is just blinded by love.
It's about facing tha fact that Jane is the same way. Minus honesty.
It's about facing tha fact that Jane is the same way. Minus honesty.
There is atleast one more difference between Jane and Kenny. Jane survived because she can take care of herself and is very efficient survivor with her rational/logical/objective worldview. Kenny however has magical beard which kept him alive for 2 years.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Kenny is crazy, but, not because of what this guy said.
Can you please explain to him how logic works?
… more I mean, I think I was fair in our argument and only made valid points. He probably doesn't speak the language "Respect".
Actually, It was a reference to the game. When Clementine is forced to hold AJ for the first time, he starts crying and you can say "dont be a whiny jerk"
In my playthrough, she basically caused her own demise. A truly efficient survivor wouldn't make shit up like that and drive an already unstable man even crazier.
I would say Molly fits that description. Jane did, too. Until EP. 5.
It's about facing tha fact that Jane is the same way. Minus honesty.
There is atleast one more difference between Jane and Kenny. Ja… morene survived because she can take care of herself and is very efficient survivor with her rational/logical/objective worldview. Kenny however has magical beard which kept him alive for 2 years.
Nope, it was a deliberate insult you've used. Hiding behind "a reference to the game" is a cheap tactic. We all know why you called CrazyGeorge "a whiny jerk", and it was definitely not to reference a game.
Actually, It was a reference to the game. When Clementine is forced to hold AJ for the first time, he starts crying and you can say "dont be a whiny jerk"
I know, right?
Throughout this argument, I've admitted that some of Kenny's actions were wrong and fucking crazy. No favoritism.
Now look at him. Doesn't he look like one of those "Fanboys" he talks about?
I've kept saying this many times. Jane was acting irrationally because she was emotionally attached to Clementine. Without this happening, she would have probably left and be just fine on her own like she has after her sister died (assuming she didnt want to be in group after that).
Molly most likely turned into Jane 2.0 later, considering that its been long time since we saw her last time and Jane wasnt like that before either (assuming she didnt die from the huge horde in Savannah).
I wouldn't say she was that efficient.
In my playthrough, she basically caused her own demise. A truly efficient survivor wouldn't make s… morehit up like that and drive an already unstable man even crazier.
I would say Molly fits that description. Jane did, too. Until EP. 5.
So... Let me get this straight.
You start a thread, essentially asking why do people fight over the ending, and at the start of your poin… moret, you say "If you were licking Kenny's nut sack the whole time," which is an aggressive opening to your point and clearly making your view towards Kenny fans known.
So, your point is made irrelevant by the fact that you, yourself, have already said something that will cause people to 'fight' over it.
rolls eyes
This didn't even start because of the endings, though. It's about him calling an entire fanbase irrational and stupid. I just happened to have the perfect response for him.
Notice how he goes from insulting everyone, to quoting shitty in-game lines, to actually trying to make a point.
Both arguments are valid and both sides bring up good points. But where have we gotten with all these arguments since the games release last… more month?
No where. Because they're simply isn't a right answer. I would give my opinion on the ending , but that's the problem its only an opinion or interpretation.
Right, she "has" to steal. I don't see that. I don't blame her for doing it, but it is not rational. The point was not wether or not she wanted to kill arvo but that she pulled that uneeded stunt in the first place, at that point he wa sno longer a threat.
I don't know about you, but any adult that cares for a child at least tries to help a child, gun or no gun, besides we have been given no info wether or not Clem had a gun at all at that point, for all we know it was still lying where she fell back at that house. You can't use unknown facts to shield her.
Was it? No one forced her to take it with her out of the car, if it's irrational to keep the baby alive and that was Jane's agenda, then she would have left it with Clementine when she left the truck.
And no it is not only because she cared about Clementine, it's because she didn't want to compete for her affections with Kenny. No one ever forced her to stay in the group and Clementine had never given her definite no on the subject of staying with her.
Nothing was stopping her from giving Clementine an ultimatum, or Kenny, instead she does the most irrational thing you can do in that situation and waves a red cloth in front of a bull. What a great guardian.
And you have no idea that even rational person can make irrational decision because of other people (you know, caring about others).
R… moreight, so threatening Arvo was not irrational?
She wouldnt have even tried to steal from the kid, but everyone in the group were in shit condition, so she had to atleast try. Even she gets shocked that she did that. Most rational thing to do in that moment would have been killing Arvo, but it was against her own moral values to kill someone who had not harmed her in any way.
Leaving a child alone with a Walker through the windshield is not irrational?
Clementine had a gun, and Jane had a baby in her arms and no gun. Would you suggest dropping the baby so she can help Clementine with bare hands?
Leaving a baby alone in a frozen old car is not irrational
Letting the baby stay alive was irrational
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Read what i said. She surely had her reasons for doing that.
I think it was stupid plan, but i dont think her original intentions were to kill Kenny (just like she says later).
First time she was eager to help her, until she saw how the state of Sarahs mind. Clementine even asks her about this later on, that she suddenly just doesnt want to save her and Jane said "ive seen that before". Jane also implies that Sarah wouldnt survive, thus the reason she isnt eager to help her next time. She was a lost cause to her.
I PREFER THIS ENDING:
Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington in The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 5 - No Going Back
BECAUSE,
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
HE'S JUST ONE OF THOSE CHARACTERS WHO WILL BE WITH YOU, ALMOST TO THE END!
FOREVER KENNY AND CLEMENTINE.
I LOVE KENNY.
Eh, no. Kenny also had his reasons to kill Carver. However, neither act was correct. Killing someone in a gruesome way for the sake of revenge is not healthy.
Also, conveniently enough, you're on the path of assuming he raped or harassed her.
"Troy, we talked about this..."
Sounded more like a deal than anything else.
I do. She knew Kenny wouldn't just go away. "Hey, Kenny. I'm taking Clem and AJ with me. Have fun!" Jane is not an idiot. The plan was stupid, but not in the way you think it is.
She doesn't want to help her. She simply didn't oppose, I'll give you that. However, as soon as she saw a red light, "lol fuck no. I go first."
She orders Clementine to leave her and then refuses to help her later on. It's ridiculous that you have to beg her to help Sarah when it was Jane's fault Sarah died in the first place.
LOLOL TROLL LOLOLllllllllllllll
Yeah, we both agree on this.
Well you dont just shoot someone to dick for no reason.
because the sex thing?
I'd like to add that Sarah shoudnt have been there in the first place. She doesnt have any skills for combat and didnt even have a gun. She should have stayed inside so wrong place and wrong time.
High fives
That's my entire point. Just like Kenny, Jane used overly violent methods of punishment as an answer. We can both assume what we want, but, based on dialogue, don't deny it simply looks like a sex-for-safety deal.
I agree. This is on TTG, though. Different discussion. A fact is, that wouldn't have been a problem if Jane and Luke hadn't fucked up. She could've slept there for all anyone cares.
Obviously its Sarah's fault that she died, because she didn't stand exactly where she was supposed to!
Lets blame Sarah for Luke's death as well. I'm sure you can find a reason.
Oh damn, i´m sorry Carlos, "The adults are talking".
Yeah that´s what people says when they usually don´t have arguments to prove wrong what i said, they talk about random shit.
These Kenny fanboys irrationals...
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He probably fell for Ondore's lies.
It's about time you get banned.
Don't get your hopes up.
It's just that unlike @zykelator , no one understands the point you are trying to make.
Let me get it straight...
Kenny knew he was dangerous and wanted the kids safe. How does that make him irrational and psychotic? How does that make everyone who picked him stupid?
Stay out of this until you make an actual point. Look how well me and him are doing it.
So... Let me get this straight.
You start a thread, essentially asking why do people fight over the ending, and at the start of your point, you say "If you were licking Kenny's nut sack the whole time," which is an aggressive opening to your point and clearly making your view towards Kenny fans known.
So, your point is made irrelevant by the fact that you, yourself, have already said something that will cause people to 'fight' over it.
rolls eyes
You evil monster!
How dare you mess around with such a rational guy?
What for?
Telltale are fucking loving this I'll bet.
Back at Telltales games their probably thinking: "look at these peasants still arguing about Kenny/Jane".
They're both at fault in different ways. Its about the individual player and what they think is the right thing to do. The two people Clementine cares about most at the time go at each others throat and try to kill each other. They're both assholes for putting Clem through that kind of emotional stress.
I know.
Realize how I'm actually admitting Kenny fucks up quite often, though.
Now look at this guy:
"You're all dumb."
"Jane is the rational choice."
"Kenny is a crazy fuck."
Anyone denying that Kenny has lost it is just blinded by love.
It's about facing tha fact that Jane is the same way. Minus honesty.
Troll.
If you know you are harmful to someone, but refuse to let go, you are pretty damn stupid and selfish. If hes main priority was their safety, most rational decision would be to let them go. Its like drug addict moms wanting to keep their babies. Wouldnt say he is psychotic.
Do explain, how this is this trolling?
Trolling means provoking people on purpose just to get people angry at you.
He probably didn't realize he was being manipulated by Jane. He probably forgot about that. Selective dementia, is known to affect some people from time to time.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Kenny is crazy, but, not because of what this guy said.
Can you please explain to him how logic works?
I mean, I think I was fair in our argument and only made valid points. He probably doesn't speak the language "Respect".
I know, right?
Throughout this argument, I've admitted that some of Kenny's actions were wrong and fucking crazy. No favoritism.
Now look at him. Doesn't he look like one of those "Fanboys" he talks about?
Both arguments are valid and both sides bring up good points. But where have we gotten with all these arguments since the games release last month?
No where. Because they're simply isn't a right answer. I would give my opinion on the ending , but that's the problem its only an opinion or interpretation.
There is atleast one more difference between Jane and Kenny. Jane survived because she can take care of herself and is very efficient survivor with her rational/logical/objective worldview. Kenny however has magical beard which kept him alive for 2 years.
Calling someone "a whiny jerk" is enough, usually.
Actually, It was a reference to the game. When Clementine is forced to hold AJ for the first time, he starts crying and you can say "dont be a whiny jerk"
I wouldn't say she was that efficient.
In my playthrough, she basically caused her own demise. A truly efficient survivor wouldn't make shit up like that and drive an already unstable man even crazier.
I would say Molly fits that description. Jane did, too. Until EP. 5.
Nope, it was a deliberate insult you've used. Hiding behind "a reference to the game" is a cheap tactic. We all know why you called CrazyGeorge "a whiny jerk", and it was definitely not to reference a game.
Fanboys come, and Fanboys go, true fans are the players.
I've kept saying this many times. Jane was acting irrationally because she was emotionally attached to Clementine. Without this happening, she would have probably left and be just fine on her own like she has after her sister died (assuming she didnt want to be in group after that).
Molly most likely turned into Jane 2.0 later, considering that its been long time since we saw her last time and Jane wasnt like that before either (assuming she didnt die from the huge horde in Savannah).
Dats da rashunall mynd @ werk doe.
I agree.
This didn't even start because of the endings, though. It's about him calling an entire fanbase irrational and stupid. I just happened to have the perfect response for him.
Notice how he goes from insulting everyone, to quoting shitty in-game lines, to actually trying to make a point.
Right, she "has" to steal. I don't see that. I don't blame her for doing it, but it is not rational. The point was not wether or not she wanted to kill arvo but that she pulled that uneeded stunt in the first place, at that point he wa sno longer a threat.
I don't know about you, but any adult that cares for a child at least tries to help a child, gun or no gun, besides we have been given no info wether or not Clem had a gun at all at that point, for all we know it was still lying where she fell back at that house. You can't use unknown facts to shield her.
Was it? No one forced her to take it with her out of the car, if it's irrational to keep the baby alive and that was Jane's agenda, then she would have left it with Clementine when she left the truck.
And no it is not only because she cared about Clementine, it's because she didn't want to compete for her affections with Kenny. No one ever forced her to stay in the group and Clementine had never given her definite no on the subject of staying with her.
Nothing was stopping her from giving Clementine an ultimatum, or Kenny, instead she does the most irrational thing you can do in that situation and waves a red cloth in front of a bull. What a great guardian.
Wait, did that whole discussion string just got erased?
I suppose all I can really say is:
Well, since my comments were removed again, ill reply here.
It surely was reference to the game and it is there...
ps. what kind of idiot would "insult" someone by saying "dont be a whiny jerk" anyway?
Apparently having conversation is trolling nowadays.
I never said ANYTHING about Kenny or Jane. You guys are both wrong, And are equally exaggerating the situation and the drama.