Whats with these double standards?

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  • But his intentions were to murder Jane.

    Yes. In rage, not because of a plan. How is hard to understand that?

    zykelator posted: »

    But his intentions were to murder Jane.

  • edited September 2014

    Yeah, because the eye is part of his personality.

    The reason he lost his eye his part of his personality, so yes, she made him personal.

    The moment Kenny decided to crowbar Carver and you go with sarita, she says. "thats not the Kenny i know in there. I wish...I thought i could save him". It wasnt exactly like i said before, but this just shows that even Sarita lost hope with Kenny.

    She didn´t want Kenny to take revenge, so she was dissapointed. That doesn´t not mean she had 'lost hope with Kenny'.

    "i dont trust my self to keep you safe. Not anymore"

    And? This is not admitting he is not safe to be around, but that he doesn´t believe he is capable of keeping then safe.

    "im trying to hold it together, but..."

    This is him admitting he is a broken man, not that he is not safe to be around.

    "you are better off without me"

    He says that if Clem shoots him. so she doesn´t have to live with guilt.

    zykelator posted: »

    Spoiler Alert: Is personal, so Jane made it personal first. Yeah, because the eye is part of his personality. Where? T

  • So no matter what happened in the game, you always interpret it to benefit your side.

    "I thought i could save him" If thats not losing hope, then nothing is.

    If you cant see that, then there is no point talking to you.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    Yeah, because the eye is part of his personality. The reason he lost his eye his part of his personality, so yes, she made him perso

  • edited September 2014

    "I thought i could save him" If thats not losing hope, then nothing is.

    This is something called being dissapointed. Look it up in a dictionary.

    zykelator posted: »

    So no matter what happened in the game, you always interpret it to benefit your side. "I thought i could save him" If thats not losing hope, then nothing is. If you cant see that, then there is no point talking to you.

  • So finding out that the person you care about is still violent and all about revenge, no matter your effort, makes you feel disappointed?

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    "I thought i could save him" If thats not losing hope, then nothing is. This is something called being dissapointed. Look it up in a dictionary.

  • So finding out that the person you care about is still violent and all about revenge,

    This is the first time Sarita sees Kenny like this, so, yes, she is dissapointed.

    zykelator posted: »

    So finding out that the person you care about is still violent and all about revenge, no matter your effort, makes you feel disappointed?

  • And how do you know that? She sounds more like she has tried to change Kenny but she cant.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    So finding out that the person you care about is still violent and all about revenge, This is the first time Sarita sees Kenny like this, so, yes, she is dissapointed.

  • And how do you know that? She sounds more like she has tried to change Kenny but she cant.

    She doesn´t know Kenny very well. Kenny didn´t tell her about his past, about his family, about anything.

    zykelator posted: »

    And how do you know that? She sounds more like she has tried to change Kenny but she cant.

  • She doesn´t know Kenny very well

    Then why on earth she was his girlfriend?

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    And how do you know that? She sounds more like she has tried to change Kenny but she cant. She doesn´t know Kenny very well. Kenny didn´t tell her about his past, about his family, about anything.

  • Then why on earth she was his girlfriend?

    Look, I explained that. Don´t just ignore whatever you want. Sarita doesn´t know about Kenny´s past nor about his family, because he never told her anything about what happened before.

    zykelator posted: »

    She doesn´t know Kenny very well Then why on earth she was his girlfriend?

  • edited September 2014

    In the end, Jane's still young, and she was mostly scared of being all alone again. She does like being around people. Being all alone all this time must have been pretty tough on her. She was genuinely having a good time when they were all sitting at the campfire.

    "I can't do this alone...okay? Clem... please... Clem!" - she's almost crying as she says this, you can hear it in her voice.

    It's kinda sad that she said that being alone is what kept her alive all this time, and when she finally promises to stick by someone, she can [determinantly] get killed because of it. So in a way, her own words haunted her. I wish we could have kept both of them alive.

  • I wish Sarita didnt die so she could keep Kenny in check.

    Pride posted: »

    In the end, Jane's still young, and she was mostly scared of being all alone again. She does like being around people. Being all alone all t

  • give me FACTS..not your opinion...
    What would justify him as violent and unstable? Other than beating the kid because he was angry from getting attacked by russian....
    Don't give me jane situation as your answer.
    Delusional? I think you're the one being delusional.
    Jane provoking kenny...yes...you're the delusional here.

    zykelator posted: »

    If you dont think that he is unstable and violent, you are just delusional. Never did it but watched videos.

  • Ye, he just chased Arvo instead of giving a shit about Clem. I'm sorry, but it's not like Kenny realized the situation, looked at Clem, considered that his fat ass is too much weight for the ice and then went on to try something else to save her, he just chased Arvo to kick his butt. That's exactly the point, he didn't care, but Jane did big time.

    AlanSpencer posted: »

    I'm fascinated how people always manage to ignore that key scene in which Luke died and Clem almost with him if it weren't for Mrs-selfish-J

  • edited September 2014

    I chose to shoot Kenny in the end. I stuck with him as much as I could throughout the story because he was my friend. I didn't understand why everyone was so upset that he was upset with Arvo. Arvo set them up to be killed or at the very least robbed. But because of Arvo's actions, people ended up dying and/or injured. There was no reason not to beat Arvo. Simply being kind to someone bad is an option but not the easiest one.

    I also liked Jane. I never got the impression that they were against each other or that we would be made to choose one. Jane saved both Kenny and the rest of the group when she returned after hearing the gunshots. When she returned without the baby, I was certain she hadn't killed him, though I wasn't as certain the baby wasn't dead. There were walkers all around and it was dangerously cold. The baby could have died any number of ways.

    In the end, after Clem had begged Kenny to hear Jane out and after Kenny refused to, I wished Jane would just yell out a story or something about what had happened but she didn't. Since she didn't, but instead seemed intent on continuing the fight at many points, I then started to think the baby wasn't dead at all. Kenny was understandably angry that Jane "lost" the baby. He was afraid to leave the baby with Jane all along, and now Jane proved he was right by rejoining them without the baby. However, since Kenny didn't hear her out, but was instead in a blind rage, I made what I considered the hardest decision yet (even though players can go back and change any choice they dislike so it doesn't REALLY matter) and shot Kenny. Kenny was a stronger (arguably) and bigger fighter and he was unwilling to listen at all (though his rage was understandable) and he was going to drive the knife into Jane when other decisions could have been made. Further, I couldn't stand by while someone I could help was killed by someone else.

    Afterwards, when the baby was heard crying, I said "I KNEW it!" I was confused though because I couldn't even imagine what she was trying to do. Though her explanation made me less confused, I couldn't stay with her. Her lie was the worst of the deeds committed by "friends" this season. She forced Clem to kill Kenny by doing what she did and Clem, being forced to make a split second decision, attempted to save someone helpless who may have lost the baby in the storm, to a walker or any other way.

    Of course, I'm unsure why Clem couldn't shoot Kenny in the arm or shoulder, you know, somewhere not fatal!

    I also wanted to take exception to those of the belief that Clem did anything wrong in the escape with Rosita. Rosita was bitten, to no fault of Clem, during the escape. Clem was the only one near enough to her to see it and do something about it. Clem then chopped her arm off to stop her from turning, but Rosita ended up a walker anyway so Clem shot her. It was completely necessary, just as necessary as it was to shoot Rebecca, for Clem to shoot Rosita.

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