All this nonsensical hate about Carlos is annoying. He wasn't dumb. I thought his character made perfect sense. He also showed that he knew what he was doing when he treated Kenny's nasty eye wound.
All this nonsensical hate about Carlos is annoying. He wasn't dumb. I thought his character made perfect sense. He also showed that he knew what he was doing when he treated Kenny's nasty eye wound.
It's not nonsensical to hate someone for wanting to let a girl's wound fester and quite likely kill her, then tell her off for trying to protect herself. Although most people tend to mock him more for his incompetence.
All this nonsensical hate about Carlos is annoying. He wasn't dumb. I thought his character made perfect sense. He also showed that he knew what he was doing when he treated Kenny's nasty eye wound.
"I am pointing out, that regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash action. Something he seems to be misreading as capitulation." - Carlos
All he was saying is that in spite of the fact that Kenny meant well his impulsive behavior had caused more problems than it solved, that biding their time was not the same as giving up. In short he was telling him to calm down and live to fight another day.
Carlos wasn't my favorite Cabin Group member, but I liked him well enough.
I was pretty neutral about him in Episode 1. It wasn't until E… morepisode 2 that I actually started liking him. When everyone is trying to defend the ski lodge from walkers, Carlos covers Clem when she runs out of ammo. And then when Carver shows up, I really liked how Carlos stood up to him and took that beating quite bravely. In Episode 3 my like for him continued to grow, but I also began to feel sorry for him, especially when he had to slap Sarah. That was a rough moment. When he got shot and then devoured by walkers, I screamed so loud my sister ran into the room to see what happened to me. All in all, Carlos was a good guy, and I liked him.
He also was a part of one of my favorite exchanges of the season, in the beginning of Episode 3 when the group is being transported in the truck:
Carlos: -Uses really big words-
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They "think" or they "say"? My guess is that they simply lie to them to boost the self-esteem of their kids and keep them motivated. If your son comes to you and says he is gonna be an astronaut, while he is a total wreck at school, you will simply cheer for him even though you know it probably will never be true and he will change his mind eventually, right?
Carlos knew that Sarah, with her mental issue, would never be a competent and reliable survivor even close
From my experience most p… morearents think their kids can do anything, Carlos included. He was just being protective of his teenage daughter.
Carlos one of the smartest characters and I think it would have been more apparent if they had fleshed out his character more. He was smart enough not to just trust Clementine because she was young. All evidence suggests that he was a competent doctor. He was able to remain calm in a crisis. I think Carlos kept the cabin group grounded in reality. Sarah wasn't quite right in the head, beyond being sheltered and I think Carlos had very good reasons for keeping the truth hidden from her.
I think they had to write Carlos out because he was too level headed - it would be difficult to justify many of the plot events in episode 4 and 5 if Carlos was still alive.
They "think" or they "say"? My guess is that they simply lie to them to boost the self-esteem of their kids and keep them motivated. If your… more son comes to you and says he is gonna be an astronaut, while he is a total wreck at school, you will simply cheer for him even though you know it probably will never be true and he will change his mind eventually, right?
It's not nonsensical to hate someone for wanting to let a girl's wound fester and quite likely kill her
Yes it is, because they wrote him that way. It would be like hating Ben because he pulled the ax out of the door, how else are they going to progress the story, without the "Ben effect".
It's not nonsensical to hate someone for wanting to let a girl's wound fester and quite likely kill her, then tell her off for trying to protect herself. Although most people tend to mock him more for his incompetence.
Yes dude, they do, it´s a fact, parents praises even a shitty drawing that the kid shows to them proudly, it´s a fact. I guess you are the one who don´t know anything about having a kid.
You must of had some real awesome parents. My parents were generally proud of me, and never lied to me. They actually kept most of my child stuff in a scrap book, and i remember my Mother looking at it from time to time.
Yes dude, they do, it´s a fact, parents praises even a shitty drawing that the kid shows to them proudly, it´s a fact. I guess you are the one who don´t know anything about having a kid.
Yeah... Carlos wasn't just a doctor but also a genius!
Edit: Someone beat me to that video lol
My problem with Carlos is how stupid he seems. He over shelters Sarah so extremely its insanity. Then he says shit like "Clem honey the adults are talking" forgetting that he couldn't figure out how to do simple tasks like turning off a turbine.
Carlos was incredibly careful. Sarah's fragile mental state was his biggest concern at all times.
"If she knew what it was like out there, she would cease to function"
As for the walker/dog bite, it was really hard to tell. Walker bites aren't like human bites in the least, walkers tear at the skin and add in the factor that Clem could have been anyone, it was hard for Carlos to trust her.
Carlos wasn't stupid, he was the most level headed of the Cabin Group which is why he had to die...
Yeah... Carlos wasn't just a doctor but also a genius!
Edit: Someone beat me to that video lol
My problem with Carlos is how stupid he… more seems. He over shelters Sarah so extremely its insanity. Then he says shit like "Clem honey the adults are talking" forgetting that he couldn't figure out how to do simple tasks like turning off a turbine.
Unsure. Lee didn't really tell Clem as much till Chuck showed him he should. He covered lots up in Ep3, not that he shouldn't have though. W… moree can't blame Carlos much unless we know an adult suggested he shelter his daughter less and he ignored them. Pete seems like the kind of guy to advise him, but he also seemed like a guy whom would respect Carlos saying no to teaching her
lol level headed. Is that what we call it now? Not being able to understand the most basic things about anything? "I see a small house" "How big is it"
He was the stupidest person of the cabin group. Easily. We try and make excuses for him because "The walker bit probably doesn't have the same look as a human bite" Even if that were the case she's an 11 year old girl. This isn't like Larry where OH NO big guy's going to eat us all in this meat locker! No they could've done a million different other things. I thought they taught compassion in medical school?
Also the turbine... Everyone dies... Why should Carlos be any different there?
Carlos was incredibly careful. Sarah's fragile mental state was his biggest concern at all times.
"If she knew what it was like out th… moreere, she would cease to function"
As for the walker/dog bite, it was really hard to tell. Walker bites aren't like human bites in the least, walkers tear at the skin and add in the factor that Clem could have been anyone, it was hard for Carlos to trust her.
Carlos wasn't stupid, he was the most level headed of the Cabin Group which is why he had to die...
Sarah knew more than Carlos let her. She picked up on things too, it doesn't mean Clem knew all back in S1 though, she knew things were bad but that was it, there were bad people in S2 she has a much more adult POV imo, it could be the group swore to protect Sarah in case, which he trusted though
"I see a small house"
"How big is it?
"It's pretty small."
This sounds really stupid the first time you hear it but Carlos can't see the house. Is it big enough for one person to live in? Big enough to fit the group to take refuge in?
She's an 11 year old girl
Paranoia and suspicion saves lives. Just ask Mark, the most trusting naive dude of Season 1, ended up legless and a walker.
Letting Clem into the house when she potentially had a walker bite would put Sarah and the Cabin Group in danger. Walkers take people by surprise the moment you let your guard down and are incredibly powerful. For example, Duck in Season 1 can potentially turn and kill everyone on the train (non-canon).
And i don't know if they teach compassion in medical school but I would think that as doctor and co-leader of the group, he would want to look out for his own people first. Clem was potentially a danger at that point.
Also the turbine... Everyone dies, why should Carlos be any different there?
Ok, now the turbine scene was awful. Was Kenny the only one who anything about mechanics? Also why thrust the responsibility on the 11 year old girl you just met? Hahaha, so bad...
Carlos's death opened up the plotlines in Ep.4 and Ep. 5. His death opened the possibility for Sarah to learn to survive without her father. (obviously didn't happen). He would not have condoned Kenny's harsh abuse of Arvo. He would have kept the group together after Luke's death.
Overall it seems that the most logical thinking people suffer and leave it open for those more unstable (Kenny/Jane) to take over. Convenient but still depressing.
lol level headed. Is that what we call it now? Not being able to understand the most basic things about anything? "I see a small house" "… moreHow big is it"
He was the stupidest person of the cabin group. Easily. We try and make excuses for him because "The walker bit probably doesn't have the same look as a human bite" Even if that were the case she's an 11 year old girl. This isn't like Larry where OH NO big guy's going to eat us all in this meat locker! No they could've done a million different other things. I thought they taught compassion in medical school?
Also the turbine... Everyone dies... Why should Carlos be any different there?
Ok fine. I don't care... Thats my other problem. He wasn't interesting enough to care about. Hey Kenny's back why should I care about these people? (My main problem with season 2 in general)
"I see a small house"
"How big is it?
"It's pretty small."
This sounds really stupid the first time you hear it but Carlos can… more't see the house. Is it big enough for one person to live in? Big enough to fit the group to take refuge in?
She's an 11 year old girl
Paranoia and suspicion saves lives. Just ask Mark, the most trusting naive dude of Season 1, ended up legless and a walker.
Letting Clem into the house when she potentially had a walker bite would put Sarah and the Cabin Group in danger. Walkers take people by surprise the moment you let your guard down and are incredibly powerful. For example, Duck in Season 1 can potentially turn and kill everyone on the train (non-canon).
And i don't know if they teach compassion in medical school but I would think that as doctor and co-leader of the group, he would want to look out for his own people first. Clem was potentially a danger at that point.
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It's always helpful to remember that behind every fictional element and character is a writer making decisions. Annoyance at bad writing is the writer's fault, not the character's.
Even so, I didn't find Carlos' actions understandable or sympathetic even though he was apparently meant to be. I found Carver evil because that's how the writers portrayed him.
It's not nonsensical to hate someone for wanting to let a girl's wound fester and quite likely kill her
Yes it is, because they wrot… moree him that way. It would be like hating Ben because he pulled the ax out of the door, how else are they going to progress the story, without the "Ben effect".
Ok fine. I don't care... Thats my other problem. He wasn't interesting enough to care about. Hey Kenny's back why should I care about these people? (My main problem with season 2 in general)
I agree. His sacrificial "end" in season 1 was perfect for him. He comes back and he forces himself into the narrative. The fact that the endings are half about him and even when its not about him its how his actions affect the outcome just shows how much he shoved himself into the story.... Carlos, Nick, Alvin, Rebecca.... I didn't care about any of these people. Kenny being there was like what was the point of getting to know these new people? Even the most interesting ones like Luke were outshined by Kenny.
You know, the more I think about it the more I agree with you. I dont know if he was going to be part of the end choice or not, but I remember that In my first playthrough I really thought they were doing a Carlos/Carver showdown. I was kinda surprised when Carlos didnt act more defiant or something cuz he seemed like he had a temper, but assumed it was cuz he was worried about Sarah. Your theory that they gave his role to Kenny makes perfect sense when you think about how OOC he was. Damn. As much as I love Kenny I wish they had kept the original plan. I feel like they sacrificed a lot of characters to build up the end choice with Kenny.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Although to me, his actions -after- episode 2 seemed OOC. He just seemed like a different character in the later p… moreart of the season. But the Kenny thing makes sense.
To me it would of made a lot more sense The Walkie Talkie Scene would of been you restraining Sarah, instead of Sarita. I think that she was added last moment and that is why she really doesn't have much Character Development.
I have to agree with you there. Kenny simply got in the way and blocked out the cabin survivors. Nick, Sarah, Luke.... all tossed aside in favor of Kenny.
I agree. His sacrificial "end" in season 1 was perfect for him. He comes back and he forces himself into the narrative. The fact that the… more endings are half about him and even when its not about him its how his actions affect the outcome just shows how much he shoved himself into the story.... Carlos, Nick, Alvin, Rebecca.... I didn't care about any of these people. Kenny being there was like what was the point of getting to know these new people? Even the most interesting ones like Luke were outshined by Kenny.
Imagine the final choice as shooting Carlos in front of his daughter Sarah, or letting him Kill whoever the final choice was. I think that was the original idea of Season 2, but decided to change it sometime in Season 2. I think Sarah was going to be a main character, maybe they changed their minds about her because of the initial negative reaction people got from her, and decided to bring back a Fan Favorite to re amp the show.
If it doesn't take that long, i wouldn't mind a DLC addon that gives us the original story, if they finished it. I know in my heart Season 2 was written on the fly. There are just so many little details that give it away.
You know, the more I think about it the more I agree with you. I dont know if he was going to be part of the end choice or not, but I rememb… moreer that In my first playthrough I really thought they were doing a Carlos/Carver showdown. I was kinda surprised when Carlos didnt act more defiant or something cuz he seemed like he had a temper, but assumed it was cuz he was worried about Sarah. Your theory that they gave his role to Kenny makes perfect sense when you think about how OOC he was. Damn. As much as I love Kenny I wish they had kept the original plan. I feel like they sacrificed a lot of characters to build up the end choice with Kenny.
To be perfectly honest he was the one Cabin group member I never cared about. He just didn´t have anything that stood out for me.
Except maybe the "How big is it?". That never gets old.
He did fix Kenny's eye, so i'm thinking his doctor skills were ok, but they sucked when the plot calls for it. The writers wrote a bad explanation on why she needed to be placed in the shed. They could of said they just don't trust her, it would of been more believable. The dog bite scenario was just so bad.
Yeah, I think people judge Carlos' doctor skills way too harshly. We never got to see them outside of him examining the dog bite (which, like you say, was poorly written) and when he took care of Kenny. He probably helped Rebecca a lot.
He did fix Kenny's eye, so i'm thinking his doctor skills were ok, but they sucked when the plot calls for it. The writers wrote a bad expl… moreanation on why she needed to be placed in the shed. They could of said they just don't trust her, it would of been more believable. The dog bite scenario was just so bad.
I just keep thinking of Alternate story lines with Carlos as the final choice, and every one seems a lot cooler than the ending we were given. What if the final choice was Carlos and Jane, Sarah is still alive. You pull your gun out on Carlos, and Sarah does the same to Clementine. What a sticky situation that would have been.
Yeah, I think people judge Carlos' doctor skills way too harshly. We never got to see them outside of him examining the dog bite (which, like you say, was poorly written) and when he took care of Kenny. He probably helped Rebecca a lot.
He did fix Kenny's eye, so i'm thinking his doctor skills were ok, but they sucked when the plot calls for it. The writers wrote a bad expl… moreanation on why she needed to be placed in the shed. They could of said they just don't trust her, it would of been more believable. The dog bite scenario was just so bad.
Maybe he isn't a MD doctor, and he is some other sort of doctor, we don't know what type of doctor he is. For all we know he is a foot doctor, or a skincare doctor.
I know, but the fact that he can't tell between something so stupid makes me think he bought his degree on eBay.
And when you think about it, I don't think he did anything but clean the wound, it isn't too hard to do I bet.
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All this nonsensical hate about Carlos is annoying. He wasn't dumb. I thought his character made perfect sense. He also showed that he knew what he was doing when he treated Kenny's nasty eye wound.
I agree with you, he did help kenny and he was trying to look out for his daughter.
It's not nonsensical to hate someone for wanting to let a girl's wound fester and quite likely kill her, then tell her off for trying to protect herself. Although most people tend to mock him more for his incompetence.
"Hey Clem, I ate paint as a kid DOIIIIIIIIIII!"
Carlos: Trust me I'm doctor!
"I am pointing out, that regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash action. Something he seems to be misreading as capitulation." - Carlos
All he was saying is that in spite of the fact that Kenny meant well his impulsive behavior had caused more problems than it solved, that biding their time was not the same as giving up. In short he was telling him to calm down and live to fight another day.
They "think" or they "say"? My guess is that they simply lie to them to boost the self-esteem of their kids and keep them motivated. If your son comes to you and says he is gonna be an astronaut, while he is a total wreck at school, you will simply cheer for him even though you know it probably will never be true and he will change his mind eventually, right?
Carlos one of the smartest characters and I think it would have been more apparent if they had fleshed out his character more. He was smart enough not to just trust Clementine because she was young. All evidence suggests that he was a competent doctor. He was able to remain calm in a crisis. I think Carlos kept the cabin group grounded in reality. Sarah wasn't quite right in the head, beyond being sheltered and I think Carlos had very good reasons for keeping the truth hidden from her.
I think they had to write Carlos out because he was too level headed - it would be difficult to justify many of the plot events in episode 4 and 5 if Carlos was still alive.
How old are you?
Parents lie to their kids , to encourage them? Do you know anything about having a kid?
Yes it is, because they wrote him that way. It would be like hating Ben because he pulled the ax out of the door, how else are they going to progress the story, without the "Ben effect".
Yes dude, they do, it´s a fact, parents praises even a shitty drawing that the kid shows to them proudly, it´s a fact. I guess you are the one who don´t know anything about having a kid.
You must of had some real awesome parents. My parents were generally proud of me, and never lied to me. They actually kept most of my child stuff in a scrap book, and i remember my Mother looking at it from time to time.
"Luke he is becoming a danger to the group" -Nick as Carlos
Carlos
Yeah... Carlos wasn't just a doctor but also a genius!
Edit: Someone beat me to that video lol
My problem with Carlos is how stupid he seems. He over shelters Sarah so extremely its insanity. Then he says shit like "Clem honey the adults are talking" forgetting that he couldn't figure out how to do simple tasks like turning off a turbine.
Carlos was incredibly careful. Sarah's fragile mental state was his biggest concern at all times.
As for the walker/dog bite, it was really hard to tell. Walker bites aren't like human bites in the least, walkers tear at the skin and add in the factor that Clem could have been anyone, it was hard for Carlos to trust her.
Carlos wasn't stupid, he was the most level headed of the Cabin Group which is why he had to die...
Except Clem was very smart even then. She understood what was happening at the St John's farm and picked up on things.
lol level headed. Is that what we call it now? Not being able to understand the most basic things about anything? "I see a small house" "How big is it"
He was the stupidest person of the cabin group. Easily. We try and make excuses for him because "The walker bit probably doesn't have the same look as a human bite" Even if that were the case she's an 11 year old girl. This isn't like Larry where OH NO big guy's going to eat us all in this meat locker! No they could've done a million different other things. I thought they taught compassion in medical school?
Also the turbine... Everyone dies... Why should Carlos be any different there?
Sarah knew more than Carlos let her. She picked up on things too, it doesn't mean Clem knew all back in S1 though, she knew things were bad but that was it, there were bad people in S2 she has a much more adult POV imo, it could be the group swore to protect Sarah in case, which he trusted though
This sounds really stupid the first time you hear it but Carlos can't see the house. Is it big enough for one person to live in? Big enough to fit the group to take refuge in?
Paranoia and suspicion saves lives. Just ask Mark, the most trusting naive dude of Season 1, ended up legless and a walker.
Letting Clem into the house when she potentially had a walker bite would put Sarah and the Cabin Group in danger. Walkers take people by surprise the moment you let your guard down and are incredibly powerful. For example, Duck in Season 1 can potentially turn and kill everyone on the train (non-canon).
And i don't know if they teach compassion in medical school but I would think that as doctor and co-leader of the group, he would want to look out for his own people first. Clem was potentially a danger at that point.
Ok, now the turbine scene was awful. Was Kenny the only one who anything about mechanics? Also why thrust the responsibility on the 11 year old girl you just met? Hahaha, so bad...
Carlos's death opened up the plotlines in Ep.4 and Ep. 5. His death opened the possibility for Sarah to learn to survive without her father. (obviously didn't happen). He would not have condoned Kenny's harsh abuse of Arvo. He would have kept the group together after Luke's death.
Overall it seems that the most logical thinking people suffer and leave it open for those more unstable (Kenny/Jane) to take over. Convenient but still depressing.
Ok fine. I don't care... Thats my other problem. He wasn't interesting enough to care about. Hey Kenny's back why should I care about these people? (My main problem with season 2 in general)
Wow, major irony
It's always helpful to remember that behind every fictional element and character is a writer making decisions. Annoyance at bad writing is the writer's fault, not the character's.
Even so, I didn't find Carlos' actions understandable or sympathetic even though he was apparently meant to be. I found Carver evil because that's how the writers portrayed him.
Which is why they shouldn't have brought Kenny back in the first place.
I thought he was kind of an asshole at times.
It's only ironic if you don't know what the word 'ironic' means.
I agree. His sacrificial "end" in season 1 was perfect for him. He comes back and he forces himself into the narrative. The fact that the endings are half about him and even when its not about him its how his actions affect the outcome just shows how much he shoved himself into the story.... Carlos, Nick, Alvin, Rebecca.... I didn't care about any of these people. Kenny being there was like what was the point of getting to know these new people? Even the most interesting ones like Luke were outshined by Kenny.
You know, the more I think about it the more I agree with you. I dont know if he was going to be part of the end choice or not, but I remember that In my first playthrough I really thought they were doing a Carlos/Carver showdown. I was kinda surprised when Carlos didnt act more defiant or something cuz he seemed like he had a temper, but assumed it was cuz he was worried about Sarah. Your theory that they gave his role to Kenny makes perfect sense when you think about how OOC he was. Damn. As much as I love Kenny I wish they had kept the original plan. I feel like they sacrificed a lot of characters to build up the end choice with Kenny.
I have to agree with you there. Kenny simply got in the way and blocked out the cabin survivors. Nick, Sarah, Luke.... all tossed aside in favor of Kenny.
When carlos got "nick'd" by tavia or the rest of carvers group i was high fivin the air like: "finally that wannabe doc shuts up"
Imagine the final choice as shooting Carlos in front of his daughter Sarah, or letting him Kill whoever the final choice was. I think that was the original idea of Season 2, but decided to change it sometime in Season 2. I think Sarah was going to be a main character, maybe they changed their minds about her because of the initial negative reaction people got from her, and decided to bring back a Fan Favorite to re amp the show.
If it doesn't take that long, i wouldn't mind a DLC addon that gives us the original story, if they finished it. I know in my heart Season 2 was written on the fly. There are just so many little details that give it away.
To be perfectly honest he was the one Cabin group member I never cared about. He just didn´t have anything that stood out for me.
Except maybe the "How big is it?". That never gets old.
Cease to function?
Best line in S2 in my opinion.
haha i love that line. "If she knew what the world was really like out there, She would... CEASE to FUNCTION."
Damn, forgot about that, you´re right. Dat accent.
He was a good guy, a good leader, but a shitty doctor.
RIP Carlos.
He did fix Kenny's eye, so i'm thinking his doctor skills were ok, but they sucked when the plot calls for it. The writers wrote a bad explanation on why she needed to be placed in the shed. They could of said they just don't trust her, it would of been more believable. The dog bite scenario was just so bad.
Yeah, I think people judge Carlos' doctor skills way too harshly. We never got to see them outside of him examining the dog bite (which, like you say, was poorly written) and when he took care of Kenny. He probably helped Rebecca a lot.
I just keep thinking of Alternate story lines with Carlos as the final choice, and every one seems a lot cooler than the ending we were given. What if the final choice was Carlos and Jane, Sarah is still alive. You pull your gun out on Carlos, and Sarah does the same to Clementine. What a sticky situation that would have been.
I know, but the fact that he can't tell between something so stupid makes me think he bought his degree on eBay.
And when you think about it, I don't think he did anything but clean the wound, it isn't too hard to do I bet.
Maybe he isn't a MD doctor, and he is some other sort of doctor, we don't know what type of doctor he is. For all we know he is a foot doctor, or a skincare doctor.