How could Kenny
Okay my first play I shot Kenny so lets get that out of the way. My other play I went with Kenny to that place (welliton?} Thay wouldnt take us in so Kenny begged to take AJ and Clem. How can he be okay sending kids into a unkown group. Look at the world Clem lives in..A farm that tried to feed the group one of its own...A town that kicked out the old, the sick, didnt take kids and if someone gets pregnet thay force her to kill it or leave. Then Cravars camp was hell.....My point Kenny has no clue whats behind that wall
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Wellington was a known place unlike St. Johns Dairy Farm, even Christa was headed there. Lets be honest, taking the chance to send the kids in there gave them much better survival odds than staying out in the cold with Kenny.
I didn´t get the Kenny ending and my memory isn´t very good having only watched a playthrough with it but...weren´t they giving supplies away? I´d like to think that indicated they had plenty and if they were willing to share they couldn´t be that bad. That and turning people away probably means they aren´t interested in them.
Someone correct me if I´m wrong though.
how could he be so convinced it even exists?
Wellington exsisted in his mind as a safe heaven, oasis, beacon of hope, whatever you wanna call it... Only goal he had was to get there and find help for Clementine and AJ. Wellington was a metaphor of a better life he wanted to live.
Well it's hard to tell but I don't think bad people would be giving away supplies.
Ah, but remember, the only way news about Wellington can spread is from people who get turned AWAY.
As in, that's wherw the rumour of it came from, some people were probably turned away and told people there is this safe place up north, and as chinese whisper syndrome took effect, it edged out the story about them turning them away.
As a result, it could be horrible inside as a community: we just don't know.
The story of Wellington has to have spread as a result of being told by people who were turned away, and didn't get in (why would someone leave if it was so good?).
As a result, we have a 'perfect' image of it as thats how those who were turned away saw it. The fact they were turned away was probably edged out in the way the story was retold to give hope.
Thus, we really don't know if it's a good place or not.
This is good though. It means all endings are uncertain.
That's very poetic and beautiful, but poetry isn't going to save you in a zombie apocalypse, some good ol' fashioned common sense just might though. And common sense tells us you should not just let a child enter, all alone, into a community like this, especially since every community like this one that Kenny has ever come across has been completely fucked up.
Because:
That doesn't show anything. The St Johns give supplies away.
Yes.
Because:
It shows everything. The St Johns did that because they needed to lure people to eat them. Wellington gives the supplies away because of overpopulation issues, and there is no ulterior motive for them giving the supplies away.
They talk about Wellington worldwide. In the zombie apocalypse.
My point is that nothing is ever perfect in the apocalypse, and Wellington is made so perfect by repeated stories of it. It may be horrible inside with all its population issues, it may have two leaders vying for control like Carver and Luke. They may even suffer from overpopulation AND want to lure people back in later. By sending someone away with supplies, they also have a much better chance of more people hearing about how good it is and trying to get in themselves, which may be what they want when they aren't overpopulated down the line.
It's not paradise, not some mystical left wing place where everyone is equal and free and supplies get thrown at everyone who goes to the doors.
It's always deeper than that.
I direct you to my post above:
We have NO idea about the political intricacies of it. Overpopulation to begin with is a really big issue and leads to fights usually, not to mention disease.
You're right that on the surface, giving away supplies is good. But all that shows is that the current leader is willing to give supplies away and that they have food to survive on. It doesn't show Wellington as a whole to be a good place.
It may still be horrible, especially for a child essentially on her own (AJ hardly counts).
Bah if the endings weren't determinate I would want the next season sooo bad.. Just to see how Wellington is. But now it will probably be some bull
Did I say it was?
Nope.
Was Wellington made to be perfect?
Nope.
Two leaders fighting each other that agree on Wellington’s policy on giving supplies? What a horrible, despotic regime.
What a masterful, evil plan. Giving supplies to complete strangers they are not even sure if they are going to return.
Of course they could want more members. More members are always good. But I fail to see how you came to the conclusion that is all a plan of Wellington, or hell, or does this make them EVIL.
Did I say Wellington is like that?
Spoiler Alert: nope.
I going to repost why you are just grasping at straws here:
Did I say it was?
Nope.
Was Wellington made to be perfect?
Nope.
Two leaders fighting each other that agree on Wellington’s policy on giving supplies? What a horrible, despotic regime.
What a masterful, evil plan. Giving supplies to complete strangers they are not even sure if they are going to return.
Of course they could want more members. More members are always good. But I fail to see how you came to the conclusion that is all a plan of Wellington, or hell, or does this make them EVIL.
Did I say Wellington is like that?
Spoiler Alert: nope.
Why? It is probably going to be the main setting.
Kenny lost pretty much everything, so exuse him while he slowly runs outta road. He thinks he can't protect anybody anymore, he said it himself. Wellington could be fucked up or could be place to live, we don't know that, so does Kenny. I'd be more concern if Wellington were accepting everyone at once, not just kids.
Why most of people think Wellington is bad?
Because they are bad.
I really hope so!
Flog's not saying it's evil, she's saying that it could be evil and providing reasons for it.
After St. Johns Dairy and Howe's Hardware, why not? Sure, they could be wrong.. but we all saw how nice the St. Johns were...
Traded food for gas, then invited them to eat Mark. Howe's Hardware found survivors with no place to go, had them trade obedience for supplies and shelter.
Right.. so it's better to leave this girl and a baby in the hands of strangers?
That doesn't fit Kenny's character at all, especially not considering how overly protective he is of Clem and AJ.
The truth of the matter is it's down to bad writing. Kenny would never have gone through all this just so that at the end he could hand Clem and AJ over to strangers without knowing they'd be safe.
Grasping at straws? So using past experiences and thinking about negative outcomes is grasping at straws?
Oh, I remember last time I walked alone at night I got robbed. I don't wanna go at it again.
STOP GRASPIN AT STRAWS DOOD JUST GO
Using past experiences is not grasping at straws it's being cautious about what you're getting yourself into. Stop over-thinking it.
Once you experience trauma, you do know that people change right? Whether it seems ridiculous or not, it's not surprising to not want to walk alone at night after you got robbed, or not join a group after the last one you joined turned out to be cannibals. This grasping at straws thing is ridiculous, hell you're even doing it yourself.
I'd say trust is very rare in the world like this, so every single truly-sounding whit makes people feel more convinced. Apparently, big walls, large stock of supplies and Edith's words were fair enough for Kenny to believe. Furthermore, Kenny knows that Clementine can handle herself and AJ, and she doesn't need him to survive (again, his own words). He's blaming himself for the horrible things Clem had to do. I think Kenny changed. A little.
The thing that got me when thay said somthing like we have to many people come back in a week or two....For them to even say that it must happen alot...The too many people..week latter..got room.. Thay give supplies so some people come back..if thay all were shooting at people then said come back no one would then there be bad stories
And I saying that they being EVIL is pretty unlikely, andd provinding reasons for it.
I already gave my reasons in this very thread.
All we have seen of Wellington means they are good people, and he is saying they could totally be EVIL for whatever reason. That´s grasping at straws.
Please tell me how using past experiences to analyze a situation is grasping at straws. Is this your only form argument? Because it's getting really futile.
I dunno, maybe because said past experiences are completely different to Wellington?
Just a thougth.
You really need to educate yourself on how humans respond to trauma before pulling another one of the GRASPIN AT STRAWS DOOD argument.
I know how humans respond to trauma. Does this change that we have every reason to think Wellington is not evil? Nope.
You are acting like this is the only thing I have said.
Jesus Christ, I was joking.
you don't know that man.
I was talking about the people who think that Wellington is bad, not about Wellington.
Don't count Kenny out. Believe in the Kenny, and he will be true with you until the very end.