It doesn't offend me, I just think it's funny. "In fact, I do not like A.J." It's like he kicked your dog, or wronged you in some way, lol. He's a newborn, he doesn't know you hate him, he just needs someone to take care of him.
Sorry if this offends someone, but I do not like the forced relationship of A.J and Clementine. In fact, I do not like A.J.
I hope that he is not the main focus of Season 3.....If there would be a choice to give him away, I would give him away.
I think the baby 'could' have some reason related to Christa's baby. Like, what if AJ dies then Christa saw it and then the flashback starts, which might reveal the time where Christa was pregnant without Omid and only with Clementine. What if Christa's baby died 'cause of Clem? Like that. I don't want to be so negative and mean, but I find it hard to imagine a baby surviving in an apocalypse without people around him dying one by one - not to blame him of course.
i think there are three ways around the annoying dependant baby problem:
1) a whole new story without clementine or AJ.
2) a new protagonist that helps Clementine keep AJ alive, so we would be guardians of the baby but one step removed, and our main focus would be helping clementine while she takes care of the baby.
3) clementine is still the protagonist but an adult we are with takes on responsibility of looking after the baby, basically like option 2 but clementine is the protagonist and another person is taking clementines place.
really that is sort of my order of preference as well, and i don't even want to list just taking on full care of the baby and still being clementine as an option, because it would be so bad.
Even with options 2 and 3, I feel like we as the player character are going to be forced to care for AJ like we were with Sarah. It would be alright if Season 3 had a settlement where AJ can be taken care of and kept safe but I really don't want to have to constantly worry about a baby while I'm out surviving with a group, moving from place to place. It'll just get in the way. The only ways I can see this working out are if Season 3 revolves around a single location like Wellington or if Clem leaves AJ with a safe family while she travels around with a group. I really don't like the idea of trying to survive out in the open with a baby.
i think there are three ways around the annoying dependant baby problem:
1) a whole new story without clementine or AJ.
2) a new prota… moregonist that helps Clementine keep AJ alive, so we would be guardians of the baby but one step removed, and our main focus would be helping clementine while she takes care of the baby.
3) clementine is still the protagonist but an adult we are with takes on responsibility of looking after the baby, basically like option 2 but clementine is the protagonist and another person is taking clementines place.
really that is sort of my order of preference as well, and i don't even want to list just taking on full care of the baby and still being clementine as an option, because it would be so bad.
yeah i get where you are coming from, as i said i listed in order of preference so option 1 would be nice, but at least with option 2 and 3 we would not be directly taking care of AJ, we would just be making decisions that would be best for the baby, but not be holding the baby all the time
the first season was a good example of it being better to make decisions to help other people (mainly clementine) rather than just ourselves, but with option 1 that could be done any number of ways, so that is why to me it would be preferable.
Even with options 2 and 3, I feel like we as the player character are going to be forced to care for AJ like we were with Sarah. It would be… more alright if Season 3 had a settlement where AJ can be taken care of and kept safe but I really don't want to have to constantly worry about a baby while I'm out surviving with a group, moving from place to place. It'll just get in the way. The only ways I can see this working out are if Season 3 revolves around a single location like Wellington or if Clem leaves AJ with a safe family while she travels around with a group. I really don't like the idea of trying to survive out in the open with a baby.
That's sort of my point, he's my son, so I know firsthand what it means to be a guardian to an infant. It didn't take time to build that sense of responsibility. It came in an instant. While it's not fair that Clementine has been given that same responsibility, she is still the only real guardian that baby has left. Blood relation doesn't matter at this point. As for the impact AJ could have on the game, how Clementine handles him can speak a lot for her character. Responsibilities like that have a way of making you see things a lot differently, and it could be the next step in her character development.
Seeing a baby as just baggage is detrimental to the survival of the human race as a whole. AJ represents hope that people will ultimately survive. Giving that up would make the whole thing seem a bit pointless to continue. What's the point in living if you have nothing to show for it?
Well, it's your son, though. AJ isn't Clem's son or brother or nephew. And yes, Clementine wasn't Lee's daughter either, but this was remedi… moreed by the strong relationship we built up with her through our interactions and dialogue where we learned about her mannerisms and personality. Given that he's a newborn,there won't be opportunities to do that with AJ for quite a long while. Until then, AJ is just well...baggage. Really, really, really, really, precious baggage, but still baggage.
In the ending where Kenny kills Jane, there should have been an option to leave Kenny and let him keep the baby. Clementine on her own would… more be OK. But looking after a baby who spends a lot of time crying is a death sentence if you ask me.
When Clementine is standing on the hill with the zombies, covering herself in guts won't do shit once Alvin Jr starts crying which he obviously would do. Best thing given the options is to be with either of Kenny or Jane and not on your own.
My point is that him being your son is what gives you that instinct to care for him and protect him at all costs. I doubt you would have the same sense of responsibility for just any infant given to you to take care of (though you would probably feel more protective towards them now that you're a father). There's something special about knowing that the little thing you're holding in your arms is your son.
Clementine, and more importantly, the player, doesn't necessarily have that bond with AJ. Nor can we develop a rapport with him as Lee did with Clem because there's not really much there to interact with. Babies aren't interesting. They don't have complex thoughts or grasp the world beyond what they see and hear. There's no back and forth exchange of thoughts and ideas like there can be with a child of S1 Clementine's age.
When I say that he's baggage, I mean so in terms of an element in the narrative that's not interesting or dynamic. He just exists and you have to care for him because those are the rules when it comes to babies. Clem been given the responsibility as AJ's primary caretaker, but if the game doesn't give us a reason to want to care for it beyond "It's a baby and everyone wants to take care of it," it's just going to feel like you're carrying around someone else's burden. And that doesn't make for a very good experience.
That's sort of my point, he's my son, so I know firsthand what it means to be a guardian to an infant. It didn't take time to build that sen… morese of responsibility. It came in an instant. While it's not fair that Clementine has been given that same responsibility, she is still the only real guardian that baby has left. Blood relation doesn't matter at this point. As for the impact AJ could have on the game, how Clementine handles him can speak a lot for her character. Responsibilities like that have a way of making you see things a lot differently, and it could be the next step in her character development.
Seeing a baby as just baggage is detrimental to the survival of the human race as a whole. AJ represents hope that people will ultimately survive. Giving that up would make the whole thing seem a bit pointless to continue. What's the point in living if you have nothing to show for it?
I don't know what they could try to pull off. There's not much you can do with a 0-3 year old infant beyond just having it be there to be cared for. They can't characterize it because it's still a damn baby. They can't kill it because it would subvert the entirety of Season 2. It seems like the thing they have planned for him is to have Clem take care of it forever and I really, really don't want that to be Clem's life from now on.
You never know when the comics is going to do another time skip... Who knows maybe during the wait for season 3 Kirkman has already informed telltale he will be doing another time skip.. This would mean the game could go further a few more years and make Clem more capable and the baby more older...
I don't know what they could try to pull off. There's not much you can do with a 0-3 year old infant beyond just having it be there to be ca… morered for. They can't characterize it because it's still a damn baby. They can't kill it because it would subvert the entirety of Season 2. It seems like the thing they have planned for him is to have Clem take care of it forever and I really, really don't want that to be Clem's life from now on.
That would help, but fans were already pretty iffy about the 16 month time skip in Season 2. Having a 6-8 year time skip? That'd be a hard pill to swallow.
You never know when the comics is going to do another time skip... Who knows maybe during the wait for season 3 Kirkman has already informed… more telltale he will be doing another time skip.. This would mean the game could go further a few more years and make Clem more capable and the baby more older...
They could skip ahead six years and make it work. Kids have personalities. Clem had plot armor in season 1. Babies don't have plot armor in the comic series, so who's to say AJ won't die in S3?
"I really don't see much AJ contributing much at all to the experience of Season 3."
You don't work for Telltale, you don't really know what they're planning.
I copied and pasta'd this part from a post I done before, but I think it's relevant:
I'll say it again, Season Three would work wonders if it featured an older Clementine taking care of AJ in a very similar way to how Lee once took care of her. Making it somewhat symbolic to the first season while still being drastically different. Heck, I speculated this way back when Rebecca was still pregnant. I always said that no matter how Season Two ended, Clem would end up being with the baby. Can't believe I turned out right in that aspect. To me, that's where the continuation SHOULD go since from a writing standpoint it would be pretty cool and would allow us to see progression on both sides. Clementine is also a young character, her character development is literally endless. If they were to just wrap up her arc now thanks to people complaining about not wanting to play as a kid Telltale would really be missing out on some golden storytelling opportunities.
Plus, at this point I don't think Kirkman would mind larger timeskips. Telltale's TWD is really it's own thing now and barely has any relevance to the comics and show anymore. So much so I don't think he'll fully object the fact of a larger timeskip if Telltale intend to do one.
Plus, timeskips are not terrible. So please don't go on ranting about how bad they are, I never found them bad at all.
That would help, but fans were already pretty iffy about the 16 month time skip in Season 2. Having a 6-8 year time skip? That'd be a hard pill to swallow.
"I really don't see much AJ contributing much at all to the experience of Season 3."
You don't work for Telltale, you don't really know w… morehat they're planning.
I copied and pasta'd this part from a post I done before, but I think it's relevant:
I'll say it again, Season Three would work wonders if it featured an older Clementine taking care of AJ in a very similar way to how Lee once took care of her. Making it somewhat symbolic to the first season while still being drastically different. Heck, I speculated this way back when Rebecca was still pregnant. I always said that no matter how Season Two ended, Clem would end up being with the baby. Can't believe I turned out right in that aspect. To me, that's where the continuation SHOULD go since from a writing standpoint it would be pretty cool and would allow us to see progression on both sides. Clementine is also a young character, her character development is literally endless. If they… [view original content]
At this point, AJ is the only character in the game whose plot armor is thicker than Clementine's. Because at least Clementine's death can be tragic and meaningful and poetic, especially if she sacrifices herself and goes out in a manner similar to Lee. There's nothing meaningful or poetic about a baby dying. It's just misery for the sake of misery.
They could skip ahead six years and make it work. Kids have personalities. Clem had plot armor in season 1. Babies don't have plot armor in the comic series, so who's to say AJ won't die in S3?
Who am I kidding? Let's just kill him.
Actually, I think the ending I got it is the best ending for Clem's story, and they can start a fresh story now or expand on characters like Molly or the 400 Days characters or something.
Pretty sure Clem's story is over.
Actually, I think the ending I got it is the best ending for Clem's story, and they can start a fresh story now or expand on characters like Molly or the 400 Days characters or something.
I'm fine with playing as a kid. I'm not fine with playing as a kid taking care of a baby/toddler, which is shaping up to be the case if they keep Clem as the protagonist and don't do a 5+ year time skip. And that sucks because that's 5 years of Clem's character development that we don't get to see because they need to wait until AJ can become an actual character and not just a prop. Not to mention the fact that the 5+ years would mean that Clementine and AJ would have already developed a really close bond with each other that we as the player wouldn't get to see develop. They've kind of written themselves into a corner here.
"I really don't see much AJ contributing much at all to the experience of Season 3."
You don't work for Telltale, you don't really know w… morehat they're planning.
I copied and pasta'd this part from a post I done before, but I think it's relevant:
I'll say it again, Season Three would work wonders if it featured an older Clementine taking care of AJ in a very similar way to how Lee once took care of her. Making it somewhat symbolic to the first season while still being drastically different. Heck, I speculated this way back when Rebecca was still pregnant. I always said that no matter how Season Two ended, Clem would end up being with the baby. Can't believe I turned out right in that aspect. To me, that's where the continuation SHOULD go since from a writing standpoint it would be pretty cool and would allow us to see progression on both sides. Clementine is also a young character, her character development is literally endless. If they… [view original content]
What's so bad about them? I never understood why people hated them so much. It's not like as if it's going to turn the franchise to the ground. When the 16 month one happened I literally laughed with how overly dramatic some users acted on this forums about it. Not kidding.
I personally think we´ll still be playing as Clem.
Which brings me to the point that I agree with OP.
I mean, I care about AJ a whole lot but it is going to be annoying to protect him out of duty...I´d rather bond with him but it sounds hard with a two year old. However...it´s not really something avoidable unless they ditch him for absolutely no reason (which I do not want at all). So I suppose I just have to deal with it.
I have this feeling that Clem and AJ is like Lee and Clem back in season 1.
I certainly wouldnt mind seeing that happen in season 3, though I would agree that would mean they will skip pass a lot of time......
I think AJ will grow up strong and not someone who needs a lot of care like Sarah.
A totally different environment for the kid, he wont be playing around all the time like Duck did in season 1 because he will be brought up and taught about survival. Especially if Jane sticks around for long enough, she'd be a really good teacher/mentor for AJ.
I personally think we´ll still be playing as Clem.
Which brings me to the point that I agree with OP.
I mean, I care about AJ a whole lo… moret but it is going to be annoying to protect him out of duty...I´d rather bond with him but it sounds hard with a two year old. However...it´s not really something avoidable unless they ditch him for absolutely no reason (which I do not want at all). So I suppose I just have to deal with it.
Totally, I wouldn´t argue against that, I´m sure AJ will be perfectly capable (especially with Clementine, who´s quite the expert badass!). I just meant that considering the comic timeline it´s not something that can be done just yet since he´ll be two at the very most.
Of course the door is open for future seasons, though!
I think AJ will grow up strong and not someone who needs a lot of care like Sarah.
A totally different environment for the kid, he wont be… more playing around all the time like Duck did in season 1 because he will be brought up and taught about survival. Especially if Jane sticks around for long enough, she'd be a really good teacher/mentor for AJ.
Ricks baby dies in the comics. People this is the walking dead universe. The subject matter itself is misery for its own sake. I would not be surprised to see aj die or choose to save/leave him in season 3
Misery is only effective when there's a faint glow of hope to accompany it. Right now, Clem and AJ are that faint flow of hope. Getting rid of either one of them pushes the game over the edge of despair and into the territory of pointlessness. it's abundantly clear by this point that the entirety of Season 2 and the Cabin group were there to do one thing: deliver AJ into Clem's arms. But now that he's there, there doesn't seem to be much of anything they could do with him unless they do a massive timeskip.
Ricks baby dies in the comics. People this is the walking dead universe. The subject matter itself is misery for its own sake. I would not be surprised to see aj die or choose to save/leave him in season 3
You can get separated from him and spend some time trying to find the person that had him last.
He could be abducted by a crazy person and you could spend some time trying to find him.
With even a 3 year skip, so he can walk, it could be interesting even if they aren't separated. The way that very young children behave can get them into a lot of trouble. You could see Clem as a young teen playing the protector roll that Lee played for her, only the dynamics would be different and interesting. Adults could try to basically take protective custody and the story could show that Clem really "does" know how to take care of him better in some ways (like staying alive) and maybe not in other ways.
Imagine if Clem and AJ see a survivor get eaten (AJ at around age 3). Clem kills the walker that got the survivor, then looks away sad. AJ walks up and says "She dead?" and points at the dead survivor.
"Yes AJ. She's dead." says Clem.
"Ahaha! Ok! Bang bang!" says AJ, pointing at the dead survivor's head with a small stick.
At this point Clem can freak out and say "NO AJ! It's NOT funny!" or something like that, and start crying.
There's plenty they can do with AJ that would be very interesting.
Misery is only effective when there's a faint glow of hope to accompany it. Right now, Clem and AJ are that faint flow of hope. Getting rid … moreof either one of them pushes the game over the edge of despair and into the territory of pointlessness. it's abundantly clear by this point that the entirety of Season 2 and the Cabin group were there to do one thing: deliver AJ into Clem's arms. But now that he's there, there doesn't seem to be much of anything they could do with him unless they do a massive timeskip.
You can get separated from him and spend some time trying to find the person that had him last.
He could be abducted by a crazy person and you could spend some time trying to find him.
This would smack too much of S1 and wouldn't be as effective if you aren't made to care about him first. I'd be okay with this happening a bit further down the line, though.
The scenario you proposed would be interesting and I guess a 3-year time skip wouldn't be straying that far from the comics' timeline. On the other hand, having a clueless toddler wandering around and getting into trouble would get a bit annoying and I'm not sure it would get players to bond with him so much as be wary of him turning into a psycho. But that is an interesting possibility.
You can get separated from him and spend some time trying to find the person that had him last.
He could be abducted by a crazy person an… mored you could spend some time trying to find him.
With even a 3 year skip, so he can walk, it could be interesting even if they aren't separated. The way that very young children behave can get them into a lot of trouble. You could see Clem as a young teen playing the protector roll that Lee played for her, only the dynamics would be different and interesting. Adults could try to basically take protective custody and the story could show that Clem really "does" know how to take care of him better in some ways (like staying alive) and maybe not in other ways.
Imagine if Clem and AJ see a survivor get eaten (AJ at around age 3). Clem kills the walker that got the survivor, then looks away sad. AJ walks up and says "She dead?" and points at the dead survivor.
"Yes AJ. She's dead." says Clem.
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I like the idea of taking care of AJ once we get past the barely-self-aware period of development when he can start understanding and communicating with some sophistication.
People who think that of Nate, I believe are doing an injustice to his character. They are only scratching the surface, are judging him harshly, and don't see the potential he has. I still don't see how Nate asking Russell about hot girls, and rating them from 1-10, equals Nate being a racist/sexist/pedophile(to name a few of the things the detractors have called him.) Nate is actually my favorite character of the 400 Days crew, I hope they revisit him in season 3.:)
I agree, and we're certainly in the minority there. Most people think Nate is the walking embodiment of a sexist and a rapist, amongst other… more things. I tend to disagree with this based on what we're shown of him, and I actually got into a few relatively large arguments on the topic a while back.
I've grown really weary of the term "plot armour", just because George R.R. Martin made it fashionable to slaughter characters willy-nilly. If Telltale chose to spontaneously murder Clementine in episode 3 and shift the PC status to (let's say) Luke, it would stir more in the way of anger and plummeting sales than controversy.
Lee had plot armour. His "time" only came when it had the most impact for the player. But I'm sure the GAME OF THRONES enthusiasts would still argue Lily should have put that bullet into Lee instead of Doug/Carley. This is another reason why I can't get too enthusiastic about that GoT video game Telltale is going to be producing soon.
At this point, AJ is the only character in the game whose plot armor is thicker than Clementine's. Because at least Clementine's death can b… moree tragic and meaningful and poetic, especially if she sacrifices herself and goes out in a manner similar to Lee. There's nothing meaningful or poetic about a baby dying. It's just misery for the sake of misery.
He was my favorite from 400 Days as well. It's good to know that not everyone judged Nate so harshly, because I don't see how him asking those things lead to those conclusion either. Nate in season 3:
People who think that of Nate, I believe are doing an injustice to his character. They are only scratching the surface, are judging him hars… morehly, and don't see the potential he has. I still don't see how Nate asking Russell about hot girls, and rating them from 1-10, equals Nate being a racist/sexist/pedophile(to name a few of the things the detractors have called him.) Nate is actually my favorite character of the 400 Days crew, I hope they revisit him in season 3.:)
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It doesn't offend me, I just think it's funny. "In fact, I do not like A.J." It's like he kicked your dog, or wronged you in some way, lol. He's a newborn, he doesn't know you hate him, he just needs someone to take care of him.
I think the baby 'could' have some reason related to Christa's baby. Like, what if AJ dies then Christa saw it and then the flashback starts, which might reveal the time where Christa was pregnant without Omid and only with Clementine. What if Christa's baby died 'cause of Clem? Like that. I don't want to be so negative and mean, but I find it hard to imagine a baby surviving in an apocalypse without people around him dying one by one - not to blame him of course.
i think there are three ways around the annoying dependant baby problem:
1) a whole new story without clementine or AJ.
2) a new protagonist that helps Clementine keep AJ alive, so we would be guardians of the baby but one step removed, and our main focus would be helping clementine while she takes care of the baby.
3) clementine is still the protagonist but an adult we are with takes on responsibility of looking after the baby, basically like option 2 but clementine is the protagonist and another person is taking clementines place.
really that is sort of my order of preference as well, and i don't even want to list just taking on full care of the baby and still being clementine as an option, because it would be so bad.
Even with options 2 and 3, I feel like we as the player character are going to be forced to care for AJ like we were with Sarah. It would be alright if Season 3 had a settlement where AJ can be taken care of and kept safe but I really don't want to have to constantly worry about a baby while I'm out surviving with a group, moving from place to place. It'll just get in the way. The only ways I can see this working out are if Season 3 revolves around a single location like Wellington or if Clem leaves AJ with a safe family while she travels around with a group. I really don't like the idea of trying to survive out in the open with a baby.
yeah i get where you are coming from, as i said i listed in order of preference so option 1 would be nice, but at least with option 2 and 3 we would not be directly taking care of AJ, we would just be making decisions that would be best for the baby, but not be holding the baby all the time
the first season was a good example of it being better to make decisions to help other people (mainly clementine) rather than just ourselves, but with option 1 that could be done any number of ways, so that is why to me it would be preferable.
That's sort of my point, he's my son, so I know firsthand what it means to be a guardian to an infant. It didn't take time to build that sense of responsibility. It came in an instant. While it's not fair that Clementine has been given that same responsibility, she is still the only real guardian that baby has left. Blood relation doesn't matter at this point. As for the impact AJ could have on the game, how Clementine handles him can speak a lot for her character. Responsibilities like that have a way of making you see things a lot differently, and it could be the next step in her character development.
Seeing a baby as just baggage is detrimental to the survival of the human race as a whole. AJ represents hope that people will ultimately survive. Giving that up would make the whole thing seem a bit pointless to continue. What's the point in living if you have nothing to show for it?
I think TT have a plan for AJ so they intentionally made Clem to be with AJ in every possible ending.
My point is that him being your son is what gives you that instinct to care for him and protect him at all costs. I doubt you would have the same sense of responsibility for just any infant given to you to take care of (though you would probably feel more protective towards them now that you're a father). There's something special about knowing that the little thing you're holding in your arms is your son.
Clementine, and more importantly, the player, doesn't necessarily have that bond with AJ. Nor can we develop a rapport with him as Lee did with Clem because there's not really much there to interact with. Babies aren't interesting. They don't have complex thoughts or grasp the world beyond what they see and hear. There's no back and forth exchange of thoughts and ideas like there can be with a child of S1 Clementine's age.
When I say that he's baggage, I mean so in terms of an element in the narrative that's not interesting or dynamic. He just exists and you have to care for him because those are the rules when it comes to babies. Clem been given the responsibility as AJ's primary caretaker, but if the game doesn't give us a reason to want to care for it beyond "It's a baby and everyone wants to take care of it," it's just going to feel like you're carrying around someone else's burden. And that doesn't make for a very good experience.
The baby wouldn't have made it if telltale didn't have some kind of plan for him and Clem... i Think telltale can pull it off.
I don't know what they could try to pull off. There's not much you can do with a 0-3 year old infant beyond just having it be there to be cared for. They can't characterize it because it's still a damn baby. They can't kill it because it would subvert the entirety of Season 2. It seems like the thing they have planned for him is to have Clem take care of it forever and I really, really don't want that to be Clem's life from now on.
You never know when the comics is going to do another time skip... Who knows maybe during the wait for season 3 Kirkman has already informed telltale he will be doing another time skip.. This would mean the game could go further a few more years and make Clem more capable and the baby more older...
That would help, but fans were already pretty iffy about the 16 month time skip in Season 2. Having a 6-8 year time skip? That'd be a hard pill to swallow.
They could skip ahead six years and make it work. Kids have personalities. Clem had plot armor in season 1. Babies don't have plot armor in the comic series, so who's to say AJ won't die in S3?
Who am I kidding? Let's just kill him.
"I really don't see much AJ contributing much at all to the experience of Season 3."
You don't work for Telltale, you don't really know what they're planning.
I copied and pasta'd this part from a post I done before, but I think it's relevant:
I'll say it again, Season Three would work wonders if it featured an older Clementine taking care of AJ in a very similar way to how Lee once took care of her. Making it somewhat symbolic to the first season while still being drastically different. Heck, I speculated this way back when Rebecca was still pregnant. I always said that no matter how Season Two ended, Clem would end up being with the baby. Can't believe I turned out right in that aspect. To me, that's where the continuation SHOULD go since from a writing standpoint it would be pretty cool and would allow us to see progression on both sides. Clementine is also a young character, her character development is literally endless. If they were to just wrap up her arc now thanks to people complaining about not wanting to play as a kid Telltale would really be missing out on some golden storytelling opportunities.
Plus, at this point I don't think Kirkman would mind larger timeskips. Telltale's TWD is really it's own thing now and barely has any relevance to the comics and show anymore. So much so I don't think he'll fully object the fact of a larger timeskip if Telltale intend to do one.
Plus, timeskips are not terrible. So please don't go on ranting about how bad they are, I never found them bad at all.
I would be ok with it, I have been wanting to see a teen Clem ever since episode 5 finished.
Timeskips really really are terrible, I hate them.
At this point, AJ is the only character in the game whose plot armor is thicker than Clementine's. Because at least Clementine's death can be tragic and meaningful and poetic, especially if she sacrifices herself and goes out in a manner similar to Lee. There's nothing meaningful or poetic about a baby dying. It's just misery for the sake of misery.
Pretty sure Clem's story is over.
Actually, I think the ending I got it is the best ending for Clem's story, and they can start a fresh story now or expand on characters like Molly or the 400 Days characters or something.
yeah just let clem and AJ live on in our imagination an move on to something else
I don't think they can handle 5 endings and make everyone happy, it won't be as good, and I really want to play as Molly
I'm fine with playing as a kid. I'm not fine with playing as a kid taking care of a baby/toddler, which is shaping up to be the case if they keep Clem as the protagonist and don't do a 5+ year time skip. And that sucks because that's 5 years of Clem's character development that we don't get to see because they need to wait until AJ can become an actual character and not just a prop. Not to mention the fact that the 5+ years would mean that Clementine and AJ would have already developed a really close bond with each other that we as the player wouldn't get to see develop. They've kind of written themselves into a corner here.
What's so bad about them? I never understood why people hated them so much. It's not like as if it's going to turn the franchise to the ground. When the 16 month one happened I literally laughed with how overly dramatic some users acted on this forums about it. Not kidding.
I personally think we´ll still be playing as Clem.
Which brings me to the point that I agree with OP.
I mean, I care about AJ a whole lot but it is going to be annoying to protect him out of duty...I´d rather bond with him but it sounds hard with a two year old. However...it´s not really something avoidable unless they ditch him for absolutely no reason (which I do not want at all). So I suppose I just have to deal with it.
I have this feeling that Clem and AJ is like Lee and Clem back in season 1.
I certainly wouldnt mind seeing that happen in season 3, though I would agree that would mean they will skip pass a lot of time......
I think AJ will grow up strong and not someone who needs a lot of care like Sarah.
A totally different environment for the kid, he wont be playing around all the time like Duck did in season 1 because he will be brought up and taught about survival. Especially if Jane sticks around for long enough, she'd be a really good teacher/mentor for AJ.
Totally, I wouldn´t argue against that, I´m sure AJ will be perfectly capable (especially with Clementine, who´s quite the expert badass!). I just meant that considering the comic timeline it´s not something that can be done just yet since he´ll be two at the very most.
Of course the door is open for future seasons, though!
AJ is clem from season 1 and clem is turning into a lee figure to AJ.
Ricks baby dies in the comics. People this is the walking dead universe. The subject matter itself is misery for its own sake. I would not be surprised to see aj die or choose to save/leave him in season 3
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Misery is only effective when there's a faint glow of hope to accompany it. Right now, Clem and AJ are that faint flow of hope. Getting rid of either one of them pushes the game over the edge of despair and into the territory of pointlessness. it's abundantly clear by this point that the entirety of Season 2 and the Cabin group were there to do one thing: deliver AJ into Clem's arms. But now that he's there, there doesn't seem to be much of anything they could do with him unless they do a massive timeskip.
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You can get separated from him and spend some time trying to find the person that had him last.
He could be abducted by a crazy person and you could spend some time trying to find him.
With even a 3 year skip, so he can walk, it could be interesting even if they aren't separated. The way that very young children behave can get them into a lot of trouble. You could see Clem as a young teen playing the protector roll that Lee played for her, only the dynamics would be different and interesting. Adults could try to basically take protective custody and the story could show that Clem really "does" know how to take care of him better in some ways (like staying alive) and maybe not in other ways.
Imagine if Clem and AJ see a survivor get eaten (AJ at around age 3). Clem kills the walker that got the survivor, then looks away sad. AJ walks up and says "She dead?" and points at the dead survivor.
"Yes AJ. She's dead." says Clem.
"Ahaha! Ok! Bang bang!" says AJ, pointing at the dead survivor's head with a small stick.
At this point Clem can freak out and say "NO AJ! It's NOT funny!" or something like that, and start crying.
There's plenty they can do with AJ that would be very interesting.
I can't be the only one that likes the idea of taking care of AJ, right? ...right?
This would smack too much of S1 and wouldn't be as effective if you aren't made to care about him first. I'd be okay with this happening a bit further down the line, though.
The scenario you proposed would be interesting and I guess a 3-year time skip wouldn't be straying that far from the comics' timeline. On the other hand, having a clueless toddler wandering around and getting into trouble would get a bit annoying and I'm not sure it would get players to bond with him so much as be wary of him turning into a psycho. But that is an interesting possibility.
I like the idea of taking care of AJ once we get past the barely-self-aware period of development when he can start understanding and communicating with some sophistication.
People who think that of Nate, I believe are doing an injustice to his character. They are only scratching the surface, are judging him harshly, and don't see the potential he has. I still don't see how Nate asking Russell about hot girls, and rating them from 1-10, equals Nate being a racist/sexist/pedophile(to name a few of the things the detractors have called him.) Nate is actually my favorite character of the 400 Days crew, I hope they revisit him in season 3.:)
Or they could kill him. The comics killed Judith.
I've grown really weary of the term "plot armour", just because George R.R. Martin made it fashionable to slaughter characters willy-nilly. If Telltale chose to spontaneously murder Clementine in episode 3 and shift the PC status to (let's say) Luke, it would stir more in the way of anger and plummeting sales than controversy.
Lee had plot armour. His "time" only came when it had the most impact for the player. But I'm sure the GAME OF THRONES enthusiasts would still argue Lily should have put that bullet into Lee instead of Doug/Carley. This is another reason why I can't get too enthusiastic about that GoT video game Telltale is going to be producing soon.
In my opinion, why should they just completely ignore a character that we've been waiting to see for an entire season?
He was my favorite from 400 Days as well. It's good to know that not everyone judged Nate so harshly, because I don't see how him asking those things lead to those conclusion either. Nate in season 3: