Yeah,right.We had tons of threads like this full of hate towards Jane/Kenny and pointless arguing about the endings.So no,your thread is not original at all.
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when they died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
In this world, one must put their own needs first in certain cases, and one must put the needs of others first in other situations. The fact that Jane is willing to (on multiple occasions, including but not limited in the herd, during the gunfight, out on the ice, etc etc) risk her life for others shows that she does not always (or even extremely often for that matter) put herself above others.
The ease with which she lied to both Troy and Kenny/Clem calls everything she says into question.
We know nothing concrete about her hist… moreory.
We know nothing about her motives beyond survival and a desire to pull Clem away from the group.
In fact all we do know about Jane is that she's impulsive, mercenary, unscrupulous, deceitful and more often than not puts her own needs first.
I am in no Way a troll, All i want is for you to stop hating on Jane constanly, or leave this forum, freewillingly or not. Let us atleast have a rational debate about this, please. i dont hate You, i want this forum to be peacefully, without Jane vs Kenny wars constantly, @Flog61 is gone someone else has to make peace on this forum, what do you say?
Lee was stalling. Ben repeatedly showed no capability for lying.
Jane impulsively had sex with Luke. Left then came back. Pulled the baby stunt that resulted in someone dying.
Clementine is the exception that proves the rule and a personal obsession of Jane's, which is why she manufactured the story about a fake "Jamie".
I'm not even sure what you're getting at with Kenny and the radio.
In fact the weakness of these counter arguments is making me even more resolute in my theory. I was only half serious before, but now I think I may actually be on to something worth careful scientific examination.
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when th… moreey died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
In this world, one must put their own needs first in certain cases, and o… [view original content]
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when they died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
In this world, one must put their own needs first in certain cases, and one must put the needs of others first in other situations. The fact that Jane is willing to (on multiple occasions, including but not limited in the herd, during the gunfight, out on the ice, etc etc) risk her life for others shows that she does not always (or even extremely often for that matter) put herself above others.
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when th… moreey died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
In this world, one must put their own needs first in certain cases, and o… [view original content]
I just realized something. What if.... Katjaa and Duck never existed? I mean, when you think about it, it makes sense. It was actually all staged by Kenny and his two brothers, Lenny and Benny! The family in Jane's ending is actually them coming back for revenge! MIND=BLOWN.
She is very crafty and devious if this is true, and you make a legitimate argument. Clementine would believe such a fabrication and not be inclined to disbelieve her. She seemed infatuated with Clementine for some reason though and i would love to know why.
If we're working on Duck and Katjaa never existing some sort of KENCEPTION scenario involving boats inside boats inside a dreamboat would be more likely IMHO.
I just realized something. What if.... Katjaa and Duck never existed? I mean, when you think about it, it makes sense. It was actually all s… moretaged by Kenny and his two brothers, Lenny and Benny! The family in Jane's ending is actually them coming back for revenge! MIND=BLOWN.
If I had to guess it's because selfish/self-centered people with streaks of psychopathy are attracted to the idea of fostering, nurturing and raising a "powerful" acolyte like they're Sith Lords out looking for apprentices or something. They see themselves in a younger form and think that creating a duplicate of themselves will give them a legacy or the closest they could get to "immortality" etc. etc.
Because remember: Carver was infatuated with Clementine too.
She is very crafty and devious if this is true, and you make a legitimate argument. Clementine would believe such a fabrication and not be i… morenclined to disbelieve her. She seemed infatuated with Clementine for some reason though and i would love to know why.
Hmm, it is plausible actually. She does speak quite a lot about Jamie only to Clem, and gives up quite a lot of information that would suggest she regretted leaving Jamie behind, because she just wasn't strong enough in her eyes. Unlike Clem, whom she hints several times reminds her of Jamie. And though Jane says she's better off on her own, nobody truly wants to be alone. She's already shown she's not above manipulation to get what she wants, it's probable that she fabricated Jamie as well to get what she wanted, which was for Clem to trust her and leave the group behind for her. Interesting theory Lemoncakes.
I am in no Way a troll, All i want is for you to stop hating on Jane constanly, or leave this forum, freewillingly or not. Let us atleast ha… moreve a rational debate about this, please. i dont hate You, i want this forum to be peacefully, without Jane vs Kenny wars constantly, @Flog61 is gone someone else has to make peace on this forum, what do you say?
Lee was stalling for Lilly, waiting for her to kill. Jane was stalling for herself. The only difference between the two situations is the fact that in the Lee one, he isn't the one to pull the trigger.
Ben lied for a good bit of time about the bandits. He was capable of it, but he didn't exactly like it.
You have a fair point with Jane's impulsiveness. I admit I was wrong there.
Not only Clementine, but Luke as well. Jane was genuinely in pain over Luke's death, as shown by her reaction it initially and her recount of it later. Jane spoke a good bit about how she didn't like becoming attached to people, but she does it naturally. She became naturally attached to Clementine, and then naturally attached to Luke. She did show sympathy and understanding for the actions of Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo, saying that she "can't really blame them" considering the shoddy state of the group. If Jane only cared about herself and Clem, and nobody else, she would have absolutely despised them for what they did.
With Kenny and the radio, I am making a point about deceit. Being deceitful to accomplish an objective, whatever that objective may be. Kenny lied about the radio, taking the blame for it, in attempt to protect Clementine from getting hurt. Jane lied about the baby, putting herself in a serious risk with Kenny, in attempt to protect Clementine from getting hurt by Kenny at a later point in case she were to accidentally cause the death of the baby.
I think your theory is interesting. I think that if it were true, it might show a side of Jane's character previously unknown. However, your evidence is lacking and your claims aren't based on much.
Lee was stalling. Ben repeatedly showed no capability for lying.
Jane impulsively had sex with Luke. Left then came back. Pulled the baby… more stunt that resulted in someone dying.
Clementine is the exception that proves the rule and a personal obsession of Jane's, which is why she manufactured the story about a fake "Jamie".
I'm not even sure what you're getting at with Kenny and the radio.
In fact the weakness of these counter arguments is making me even more resolute in my theory. I was only half serious before, but now I think I may actually be on to something worth careful scientific examination.
Indeed, well i returned with her to Carvers store in my outcome of Episode 5. So it would be interesting to see if there was some kind of meat on the bone so to speak for this theory to be proven legitimate.:)
If I had to guess it's because selfish/self-centered people with streaks of psychopathy are attracted to the idea of fostering, nurturing an… mored raising a "powerful" acolyte like they're Sith Lords out looking for apprentices or something. They see themselves in a younger form and think that creating a duplicate of themselves will give them a legacy or the closest they could get to "immortality" etc. etc.
Because remember: Carver was infatuated with Clementine too.
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when th… moreey died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
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I know You are pretty new to this place, but i have been here for a while, and i have made friends, and started to love this forum, so seeing it like this is torture for me
I joined in April.... And had an account before that. Even before the release of S2, and you are still only talking about one sub-forum. Plus you still haven't answered my earlier question. What threads would you like to see.
I know You are pretty new to this place, but i have been here for a while, and i have made friends, and started to love this forum, so seeing it like this is torture for me
No problem, Bud. It's true, I used to rely on Flog to deal with this kind of crap, But now that he/she's gone, We need a new Flog.
Telltalemaster is the hero the forums deserve, Not the one it needs right now.
Hmm, it is plausible actually. She does speak quite a lot about Jamie only to Clem, and gives up quite a lot of information that would sugge… morest she regretted leaving Jamie behind, because she just wasn't strong enough in her eyes. Unlike Clem, whom she hints several times reminds her of Jamie. And though Jane says she's better off on her own, nobody truly wants to be alone. She's already shown she's not above manipulation to get what she wants, it's probable that she fabricated Jamie as well to get what she wanted, which was for Clem to trust her and leave the group behind for her. Interesting theory Lemoncakes.
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Yeah,right.We had tons of threads like this full of hate towards Jane/Kenny and pointless arguing about the endings.So no,your thread is not original at all.
Lee lied easily when the bandits raided the camp in 103. He lied about giving them supplies and making a deal, and showed no regrets when they died, having no problem with any of it.
Another example: Ben. When he yelled at Kenny, and talked about his family, we don't know if he was lying. Following your logic, he could just have been playing Kenny for sympathy.
Jane isn't impulsive. If she was, she would have gotten herself killed much earlier. Impulsiveness is not a trait that a survivor like Jane exhibits.
Jane is not mercenary and unscrupulous.The fact that she at the very least cares about Clementine and risks her life for her multiple times shows she isn't completely survival > humanity and amorality.
Jane is only deceitful when the situation calls for it, as most survivors are at this point. Did Kenny not attempt to deceive Carver with the radio?
In this world, one must put their own needs first in certain cases, and one must put the needs of others first in other situations. The fact that Jane is willing to (on multiple occasions, including but not limited in the herd, during the gunfight, out on the ice, etc etc) risk her life for others shows that she does not always (or even extremely often for that matter) put herself above others.
I think a vacation off the forum is a good idea then, it doesn't look like Lemon is running out of ideas
Not until just now.
I am in no Way a troll, All i want is for you to stop hating on Jane constanly, or leave this forum, freewillingly or not. Let us atleast have a rational debate about this, please. i dont hate You, i want this forum to be peacefully, without Jane vs Kenny wars constantly, @Flog61 is gone someone else has to make peace on this forum, what do you say?
Yeah,but there's a bunch of cool guys here to talk with,so I'm not leaving anytime soon
GET TO MARS!
Laura
Lee was stalling. Ben repeatedly showed no capability for lying.
Jane impulsively had sex with Luke. Left then came back. Pulled the baby stunt that resulted in someone dying.
Clementine is the exception that proves the rule and a personal obsession of Jane's, which is why she manufactured the story about a fake "Jamie".
I'm not even sure what you're getting at with Kenny and the radio.
In fact the weakness of these counter arguments is making me even more resolute in my theory. I was only half serious before, but now I think I may actually be on to something worth careful scientific examination.
I really wanted to post this.
I just realized something. What if.... Katjaa and Duck never existed? I mean, when you think about it, it makes sense. It was actually all staged by Kenny and his two brothers, Lenny and Benny! The family in Jane's ending is actually them coming back for revenge! MIND=BLOWN.
That kind looks like Baiting confirmed for S3.
You're right. She didn't have a sister named Jamie. But a brother named Jaime.
It all makes sense now.
She is very crafty and devious if this is true, and you make a legitimate argument. Clementine would believe such a fabrication and not be inclined to disbelieve her. She seemed infatuated with Clementine for some reason though and i would love to know why.
If we're working on Duck and Katjaa never existing some sort of KENCEPTION scenario involving boats inside boats inside a dreamboat would be more likely IMHO.
"I think you're coming unhinged."
If I had to guess it's because selfish/self-centered people with streaks of psychopathy are attracted to the idea of fostering, nurturing and raising a "powerful" acolyte like they're Sith Lords out looking for apprentices or something. They see themselves in a younger form and think that creating a duplicate of themselves will give them a legacy or the closest they could get to "immortality" etc. etc.
Because remember: Carver was infatuated with Clementine too.
Hmm, it is plausible actually. She does speak quite a lot about Jamie only to Clem, and gives up quite a lot of information that would suggest she regretted leaving Jamie behind, because she just wasn't strong enough in her eyes. Unlike Clem, whom she hints several times reminds her of Jamie. And though Jane says she's better off on her own, nobody truly wants to be alone. She's already shown she's not above manipulation to get what she wants, it's probable that she fabricated Jamie as well to get what she wanted, which was for Clem to trust her and leave the group behind for her. Interesting theory Lemoncakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
So a snarky comment followed by a sarcastic one. Yeah, total Ghandi right there.
It's a forum. TWD one will soon be dead so what's wrong with fan wars.
Lee was stalling for Lilly, waiting for her to kill. Jane was stalling for herself. The only difference between the two situations is the fact that in the Lee one, he isn't the one to pull the trigger.
Ben lied for a good bit of time about the bandits. He was capable of it, but he didn't exactly like it.
You have a fair point with Jane's impulsiveness. I admit I was wrong there.
Not only Clementine, but Luke as well. Jane was genuinely in pain over Luke's death, as shown by her reaction it initially and her recount of it later. Jane spoke a good bit about how she didn't like becoming attached to people, but she does it naturally. She became naturally attached to Clementine, and then naturally attached to Luke. She did show sympathy and understanding for the actions of Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo, saying that she "can't really blame them" considering the shoddy state of the group. If Jane only cared about herself and Clem, and nobody else, she would have absolutely despised them for what they did.
With Kenny and the radio, I am making a point about deceit. Being deceitful to accomplish an objective, whatever that objective may be. Kenny lied about the radio, taking the blame for it, in attempt to protect Clementine from getting hurt. Jane lied about the baby, putting herself in a serious risk with Kenny, in attempt to protect Clementine from getting hurt by Kenny at a later point in case she were to accidentally cause the death of the baby.
I think your theory is interesting. I think that if it were true, it might show a side of Jane's character previously unknown. However, your evidence is lacking and your claims aren't based on much.
Indeed, well i returned with her to Carvers store in my outcome of Episode 5. So it would be interesting to see if there was some kind of meat on the bone so to speak for this theory to be proven legitimate.:)
I'm not sure if you mean to imply I am the one using common sense here, or if you mean to imply that I am lacking in it.
I completely back "telltalemaster".
I know You are pretty new to this place, but i have been here for a while, and i have made friends, and started to love this forum, so seeing it like this is torture for me
I joined in April.... And had an account before that. Even before the release of S2, and you are still only talking about one sub-forum. Plus you still haven't answered my earlier question. What threads would you like to see.
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Thanks man, it means a lot
. We need to restore the peace on this forum
No problem, Bud. It's true, I used to rely on Flog to deal with this kind of crap, But now that he/she's gone, We need a new Flog.
Telltalemaster is the hero the forums deserve, Not the one it needs right now.
Wasn't 'telltalemaster' banned before.
It's more likely that the only person she was close enough to to share that story is Clem. Nobody else seemed very interested in getting to know Jane.
gr8 b8 m8
A Kenny Fan trying to do everything in his willpower to discredit Jane? That's low..
Even for you.. Lemoncakes