Kenny did go overboard with Arvo, BUT...
People need to understand that Kenny had the right to be angry at Arvo.
I do agree he went overboard, but I don't think Arvo deserves the amount of sympathy he gets, and if he does, he doesn't deserve to be treated like he is part of the group.
Yes, Arvo's sister died, but let me provide you with this thought: what if it was Kenny over Clementine's corpse, trying his best to keep her alive, but with no success? That's what would have happened if Arvo's group won the fight. Kenny has nothing left to protect except for Clem and AJ. Arvo tried to rob them, and in that weather, it would have been a death sentence. Cold with no food = starvation. So Arvo, even if he did try to convince the other two not to kill them, would have left them to starve anyway by stealing their things. I mean, even if you let him go, he rats you out anyway, saying you TRIED to rob him.
So yeah, Kenny might have treated him like crap, but I think his anger was justified, don't you?
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He shot a kid, don't see how anyone can forgive that.
When is Kenny not angry? He's always justified because "what if this or what if that?" I judge Kenny for what he did not for some scenarios that might or might not have happened. And Arvo doesn't get much sympathy that I've seen most posts about him are very hateful, so do you think he shouldn't be getting any?
I was kind of thinking Kenny was going too far but something told me not to get involved in those scenes. Later, when he shot Clem, I was more than happy I didn't argue with Kenny.
I think you are missing the point of his post.
Hell, I know you are.
I had some sympathy for Arvo, honestly. Then he glared at Clem at the unfished house because he was angry she did not die. After that point I just wanted to shoot him.
No, I'm not.
Yes, you are. You say things like 'when is Kenny not angry' while the OP talks about his anger at Arvo being justified.
It's not Kenny's turn to judge Arvo. Let alone his motivation is not just judging Arvo. The fate has given Arvo what he deserves: he leads his group to rob innocent people, so he loses his sister for that.
In my point of view, the reason why I don't outright hate Arvo for what he had done is due to the possibility that his treatment from Kenny had influenced his decision to shoot Clementine.
Arvo may have recognised that Clementine is Kenny's friend, and during the confrontation he may have suspected that being seen escaping by Clementine means that she'll attract Kenny's attention one way or another, and wasn't going to take the risk of yet another beating, or end up killed, for wanting to get away from him.
He was Kenny's verbal and physical punch bag, he reached his limit of how much he can take it, and he likely ended up 'borrowing' Kenny's violent and hostile nature by shooting down Clementine if that what it takes to escape from his predicament, since Kenny was going to show up at any moment.
The problem is that no matter what happens, even if you defend Arvo from Kenny, he still shoots Clementine. But that's likely due to his increasing paranoia towards the group's behaviour once he's held hostage by them, and his vengeance towards Clementine for the death of his sister, which has continued to grow since he's never told that his sister had actually died and became a walker. It doesn't help that his sister was likely killed by Kenny according to the translations from one of the Russians, which had only fuelled his hatred and irrationality.
And finally, we never find out the full story of Arvo's group and their decision to rob Clementine's group. We never know if Arvo was leading the group, or being used as a scout and translator and had no power over his companions. We make assumptions just like how Clementine's group does, and we never get to have Arvo explain his side of the story.
Im not missing his point. I understand his point perfectly, you're just missing mine. But whatever, I'm not going to argue with you.
This is pretty close to how I feel about the situation.
You are missing is point. And you know, I do understand what you are saying. You are saying that, regardless of Kenny´s reasons, or if it was justificable, what he did was bad. You are the only one who is ignoring things here.
Too much concern over feelings or the 'right' to react. I had My Clem take the meds and was hoping Jane would have shot him. The entire senerio of the shootout would never have happened then. But, after it did happen and Arvo's sister was dead, sure I can understand Arvo being mad and all, and I even agree we didnt need Kenny beating him. Kenny should have just shot him. No need to make him suffer.
when did kenny shoot a kid? i never saw him shoot arvo.
Arvo shot Clem.
I think Kenny was rough on him, but I don't blame him for it.
I believe Kenny's anger is justified, but he has no right to beat Arvo like that.
oh ok than ya, thought he was referring to kenny.
I sided with Arvo the whole Episode, I had sympathy with him, Clem just (what he believed) killed his sister who he successfully revived and Kenny treated him like shit.
And I felt bad for him when Kenny started beating on him, even though I held him responsible to a great degree for Luke's death at that point.
But after he shot Clementine...
I saved you, Arvo. I should have let Kenny kill you. I stopped Kenny from beating him, but I wish that I hadn't. Watching this vicious bastard die would give me more relief than a thousand lying whores! (That was a reference, so I am not serious about that :P)
Kenny's group robbed Arvo's group (gun and maybe supplies). Arvo's group was trying to rob Kenny's in turn. There is no moral difference between them, merely a question of who won. So you can't use the ambush as justification for Kenny's anger. Both groups were morally equal.
Kenny was angry and beat Arvo because he could. Likewise, when Arvo shot Clem, he was acting on the same moral level as Kenny. He shot her because he was angry and because he could. Whoever has the upperhand can do whatever they want.
When might makes right, there is no morality or justifications anymore. If you want to use morality, then robbing and beating Arvo was wrong, ambushing Kenny's group was wrong, and shooting Clem was wrong.
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Oh, wait, you are serious. Let´s remember that the rest of the group did not participate in the robery, and in some cases did not even know about it until the Russians came.
The groups, yes. Arvo? Nope.
Lol, nope. Arvo tried to run away, played a big part in Luke´s death, and the unfished house seemed to confirm Kenny´s worst fears-Arvo had be lying. Then Arvo tells him to fuck up. That does it, so Kenny hits him. He didn´t intend to kill hi. If you don´t do anything, Kenny stops before Mike drags him away for Arvo. Am if you ask him, Kenny stops immediately.
All the actions are wrong, but some are more wrong that others.
Don't use the word 'but' in your arguements just state the facts. Kenny did go overboard. Arvo shot Clementine. They both f*cked up. The end. You win =D
No sure if serious...
.... or trolling...;p
Yes.
So are you serious or not?
Deadly serious. Everyone f*cked up.
I mean if you really want to look at this the catalyst could be considered Jane taking Arvo's gun (my playthrough didn't rob him) or waht about why was Clem's group there in the first place? Well, let's go back to a man named Carver, we can go back even further if we like and just blame the Zombie Apocalypse which started this in the first place.
The point is one single event in the whole series doesn't define who was ultimately right or wrong in their actions. Also I hate Arvo.
The point is that you did not even try to see the point of the OP, or what this thread was about.
Insight into why Kenny beat Arvo and why it was justified. Like I said, one single event in the whole series doesn't define who was ultimately right or wrong in their actions.
you're joking right? you have to be..... unless i am reading it wrong and what you are trying to say is he believed he revived her
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No sure if you are serious or just trolling me.
Absolutely!
Arvo was a snake, who tried to play on people's sympathy because of being a foreigner.
He would've killed the group if he had to, which he made abundantly clear when he shot Clementine.
Kenny was right about that damned commie!
I had Clementine encourage Kenny to be rough on him, especially since I had her let him keep his supplies, in episode 4.
B-but...
Arvo being an ass and shooting Clem does not retroactively condone Kenny beating and torturing the kid. I just wanted an opportunity to talk to Arvo, but the game didn't allow it. I mostly see his final act in much the same way I would view those of a battered dog that bit a kid.
I totally agree. It bothers me that people jump to that as a justification for everything Kenny did to him.
You could forgive Nick when he almost shot Clem.
I don't think Kenny was justified in his beating of Arvo - neither during the trip nor after the ice.
I am hard pressed to find a situation where I would feel that punching or kicking a tied up teenage kid who is leading you to supplies and a house is defensible.
Not to mention that Kenny's violent behaviour is a large part of what caused Team Bike to have second thoughts about grouping up with Kenny, leading to them wanting to leave.