People piss themselves off by turning a civil discussion into another angry Kenny V Jane thread. If you don't want to read/comment just hit the back button. What purpose does it to serve to bump a thread you perceive as antagonistic?
I once had these two dogs and when one dog lifted his leg to pee on a bush or something the other dog would just stick his head underneath the stream of piss so he could smell the pee that was already peed and then got his head pissed on.
Which I guess is the exception that proves the rule?
I dunno your post just reminded me of that.
...
...not sure how this relates to the subject. Maybe in some ways the second dog represents Jane Endings?
I know what you mean by valid. I'm not conflating that at all:
My post is specifically referring to the fact that your statements show that you think one ending IS more valid than the other.
I'm also not conflating - what, is that your new favourite word? - majesty to mean good. They're different words, they don't mean exactly the same thing.
But if one thing is more 'majestic' than another, that certainly implies that you think of it as being better.
Your use of the word important shows that well, as does the fact that you frequently state Kenny's ending is the 'right' choice. Or are you conflating - thought I should use that word, just for you bae - good with right?
Also, the concept of you thinking Jane's endings highlighting the 'personal failures' of clementine is just the most biased thing I've ever heard.
You say Jane''s endings set Clem upon a, what was it...'dark path'. Like, no. That's an opinion, not a fact.
My attempts to 'poison the well'? What on earth are you talking about?
I'm fighting for the idea that all endings are both valid and only good or bad in opinion, not in hard fact, which isn't what you're fighting for.
And I certainly didn't 'personally attack you' - I haven't been the one saying Jane fans are bad people - I was stating a hypothesis as to your sudden change of tact.
And yes, that is what macabre means for the way I intended my sentence. Disturbing, dark, in a way that causes as much fear as humour. Funny in a 'gruesome, grisly, grim, gory, morbid, ghastly, unearthly, lurid, grotesque, hideous, horrific, horrible, horrifying, horrid, horrendous, terrifying, frightening, frightful, fearsome, shocking, dreadful, appalling, loathsome, repugnant, repulsive, sickening' way. When talking about enjoyment of jokes being macabre, as I was, it is essentially the same as saying 'blackly comic'.
The main issue you're having is that you're saying 'oh all endings are perfectly valid, go ahead, make the wrong decision'. Which is just as derisive, mean, and in-conducive towards a good discussion environment as if you said they aren't all valid.
They're perfectly valid. You're conflating valid with "good".
A good ending and a bad ending are both equally valid in this instance in t… morehat they're both achievable.
If I put in a cheat code to have Clem grow wings and play a midi file of La Cucaracha, for instance, that ending wouldn't be valid.
You're also conflating "majesty" with good. Some people like more downbeat sombre endings.
What's wrong with that?
These are all my own tastes, and think the counterpoint of Jane's more low-key endings which highlight the personal failures of those particular Clementines make the Kenny endings all the more impactful.
I don't particularly appreciate your attempts to poison the well or call my motives into question when discussing elements of the series. I think personal attacks aren't really something to fall back on when you don't like someone else's opinion. If the topic of conversation bothers you this much, maybe you need more ti… [view original content]
You could just as soon be a little bit pregnant as a little bit valid.
Majestic doesn't necessarily imply "better". Some people may find something "majestic" as overblown or pretentious or haughty or inappropriate for the subject material.
...and now you're conflating "good" and "bad" with valid again...
I'm sorry, Flog, I don't mean to be rude but we're not getting anywhere. I'm not in the mood to have a debate with someone who can't engage without calling the other person's motives into question or argue in good faith as it's an inherently fruitless exercise. I feel like I'd just as soon get to a substantial point in this conversation as you'd get to understand when and when not to use the word "macabre".
I know what you mean by valid. I'm not conflating that at all:
My post is specifically referring to the fact that your statements show th… moreat you think one ending IS more valid than the other.
I'm also not conflating - what, is that your new favourite word? - majesty to mean good. They're different words, they don't mean exactly the same thing.
But if one thing is more 'majestic' than another, that certainly implies that you think of it as being better.
Your use of the word important shows that well, as does the fact that you frequently state Kenny's ending is the 'right' choice. Or are you conflating - thought I should use that word, just for you bae - good with right?
Also, the concept of you thinking Jane's endings highlighting the 'personal failures' of clementine is just the most biased thing I've ever heard.
You say Jane''s endings set Clem upon a, what was it...'dark path'. Like, no. That's an opinion, not a fact.
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You're right, some people enjoy a nice golden shower. Not the type of shower I'd want, I'm quite happy with my arrangement. I'm a man who appreciates the discrepancy between water and urine, but no judgements.
You're right, some people enjoy a nice golden shower. Not the type of shower I'd want, I'm quite happy with my arrangement. I'm a man who appreciates the discrepancy between water and urine, but no judgements.
I once had these two dogs and when one dog lifted his leg to pee on a bush or something the other dog would just stick his head underneath t… morehe stream of piss so he could smell the pee that was already peed and then got his head pissed on.
Which I guess is the exception that proves the rule?
I dunno your post just reminded me of that.
...
...not sure how this relates to the subject. Maybe in some ways the second dog represents Jane Endings?
I got the water ending the first time i played it, then i would always get the leave ending, and it just never felt as genuine. James wasn't coming out of that town, we all know it.
I once had these two dogs and when one dog lifted his leg to pee on a bush or something the other dog would just stick his head underneath t… morehe stream of piss so he could smell the pee that was already peed and then got his head pissed on.
Which I guess is the exception that proves the rule?
I dunno your post just reminded me of that.
...
...not sure how this relates to the subject. Maybe in some ways the second dog represents Jane Endings?
It's certainly right if you want what's best for Clementine, which is how most people, including Zach and Ashley, play the game.
It's all a matter of personal standards.
Some people, for instance, set out with the intent to make Clementine a miserable psychopath or have her be deceived by people who you don't know the actual name of who additionally lie about having sisters. If that's the case then Non-Kenny endings are your goal.
Lemoncakes, I'm very confused.
How can you say all endings are valid when you make threads such as this one
http://www.telltalegames.c… moreom/community/discussion/81909/zackscottgames-figures-out-the-right-choice-in-ep5
Which state the kenny ending is the 'right' choice?
Have you had a change of heart? Or are you just trying to pull a Jane and manipulate people by lying about your true opinion?
It's certainly right if you want what's best for Clementine, which is how most people, including Zach and Ashley, play the game.
It's all… more a matter of personal standards.
Some people, for instance, set out with the intent to make Clementine a miserable psychopath or have her be deceived by people who you don't know the actual name of who additionally lie about having sisters. If that's the case then Non-Kenny endings are your goal.
I think that's perfectly valid.
I don't think sticking with Kenny or going into an unknown community is the best ending for MY clem.
But oh my god! Can you STOP trying to make people feel like SHIT
SOME of us get enough of that in their actual life, so for you trying to say that all people who like Jane more than kenny and choose her endings want their clem to be a 'miserable psychopath' all you're doing is INSULTING PEOPLE.
You're saying it's valid, but if you choose it you want your clem to be a psychopath.So if you agree with those actions, you're a psychopath.
No! That isn't what respecting people is about!
I'm freaking done, I'm reporting you one last time and hope you get banned for good.
It's certainly right if you want what's best for Clementine, which is how most people, including Zach and Ashley, play the game.
It's all… more a matter of personal standards.
Some people, for instance, set out with the intent to make Clementine a miserable psychopath or have her be deceived by people who you don't know the actual name of who additionally lie about having sisters. If that's the case then Non-Kenny endings are your goal.
I think that's perfectly valid.
Well that was certainly enlightening, thank you.
As CrazyGeorge pointed out, there are some exceptions to the rule, however, for me it's a golden rule.
This game is built around judgment, difficult moral decisions with no good answer and making you feel like shit.
Additionally plenty of games engage in wanton power fantasies and violence. They're not programming you to be a psychopath or require you to be a psychopath to play one.
If you're honestly having this much trouble with an actual discussion about a game built on moral choices without resorting to histrionics and screeching for mods because someone has an opinion different from yours then, yes, I think it's best you find a quiet place to calm down.
But that is an opinion.
I don't think sticking with Kenny or going into an unknown community is the best ending for MY clem.
But oh my… more god! Can you STOP trying to make people feel like SHIT
SOME of us get enough of that in their actual life, so for you trying to say that all people who like Jane more than kenny and choose her endings want their clem to be a 'miserable psychopath' all you're doing is INSULTING PEOPLE.
You're saying it's valid, but if you choose it you want your clem to be a psychopath.So if you agree with those actions, you're a psychopath.
No! That isn't what respecting people is about!
I'm freaking done, I'm reporting you one last time and hope you get banned for good.
Since you're a troll, I like to believe that all the selective thinking and pseudo-intellectual posturing you display is a sign that you don't actually believe what you say. You don't actually love the character of Kenny - you just like to act like a rabid fanatic of his.
Anybody who says that 'bad endings are valid' is inherently biased, because as a matter of fact every outcome is valid as far as the player's opinion goes. I've already pointed out one reason why Clementine rejecting safety for herself and a baby (and food and warmth and water and hygiene and sleeping at night) in order to live with a proven abuser is a 'bad ending'. Ironically enough, it appears that both the developers and the players seem to accept at face-value the happy music and cheesy dialogue of Kenny's ending and discount all other endings as terrible simply because they've bought into the narrative's attempt to redeem Kenny.
I don't buy into Telltale's nonsense about 'forgiving' abusers, not after they've proven themselves to lack empathy for disabled and genuinely kind people. That is NOT how the world works, and implying that you are somehow a bad person for rejecting manipulators and abusers is, in itself, a massively shitty message to send people.
I pointed to textual evidence, recurring themes and reasoned arguments.
You didn't.
You also don't either don't know what a paradox is… more, are confused about the concept of "validity" or are focusing on a narrow self-serving definition of "bad" that clearly doesn't fit its intended application.
I would appreciate it if you tried to take this important thread a little more seriously.
Since you're a troll, I like to believe that all the selective thinking and pseudo-intellectual posturing you display is a sign that you don… more't actually believe what you say. You don't actually love the character of Kenny - you just like to act like a rabid fanatic of his.
Anybody who says that 'bad endings are valid' is inherently biased, because as a matter of fact every outcome is valid as far as the player's opinion goes. I've already pointed out one reason why Clementine rejecting safety for herself and a baby (and food and warmth and water and hygiene and sleeping at night) in order to live with a proven abuser is a 'bad ending'. Ironically enough, it appears that both the developers and the players seem to accept at face-value the happy music and cheesy dialogue of Kenny's ending and discount all other endings as terrible simply because they've bought into the narrative's attempt to redeem Kenny.
I don't buy into Telltale's non… [view original content]
I think all that endings are all pretty bad. Not quality wise but story wise. I don't know, despite Clem looking happy in the endings like going with Kenny, that doesn't mean she's magically safe. There off in the wilderness with a baby. Again.
I killed both Jane and Kenny because Clementine still has a chance of finding other people. There are benefits to going with either of the two (Kenny delivers you to the promised land where Christa was headed, and Jane allows you to establish a new community with a family), but they require you to rein in their faults. As far as I'm concerned, Clementine is done with that shit.
Clem's better off with reliable, stable people who don't irrationally torture people or exploit children in hare-brained schemes. If she exists, then surely there are other people like her as well.
If your standard of "rejecting safety" being bad is paramount, then you can't have an Alone ending.
If your standard of "rejecting manipu… morelators and abusers" is in play, then you can't have a Jane ending.
Since you refuse to remain with Kenny, the only ending you have available to you is a Stay at Wellington ending.
I hope this conversation, in matching you with your Peak Satisfaction Ending, has been helpful.
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No george, read it again. That's not what he's actually saying.
It's better to be pissed off than pissed on.
cause there is hundreds of these threads a day and they always turn hostile
Man that was the ending I first got and I got bummed. I tried to get the Maria ending because it sounded sort of creepy and cool but never could.
In his opinion he considers the Jane ending the "bad" ending, but he still says it is just as valid as any other.
depends on the person, some people prefer chicken, others steak.
I once had these two dogs and when one dog lifted his leg to pee on a bush or something the other dog would just stick his head underneath the stream of piss so he could smell the pee that was already peed and then got his head pissed on.
Which I guess is the exception that proves the rule?
I dunno your post just reminded me of that.
...
...not sure how this relates to the subject. Maybe in some ways the second dog represents Jane Endings?
I know what you mean by valid. I'm not conflating that at all:
My post is specifically referring to the fact that your statements show that you think one ending IS more valid than the other.
I'm also not conflating - what, is that your new favourite word? - majesty to mean good. They're different words, they don't mean exactly the same thing.
But if one thing is more 'majestic' than another, that certainly implies that you think of it as being better.
Your use of the word important shows that well, as does the fact that you frequently state Kenny's ending is the 'right' choice. Or are you conflating - thought I should use that word, just for you bae
- good with right?
Also, the concept of you thinking Jane's endings highlighting the 'personal failures' of clementine is just the most biased thing I've ever heard.
You say Jane''s endings set Clem upon a, what was it...'dark path'. Like, no. That's an opinion, not a fact.
My attempts to 'poison the well'? What on earth are you talking about?
I'm fighting for the idea that all endings are both valid and only good or bad in opinion, not in hard fact, which isn't what you're fighting for.
And I certainly didn't 'personally attack you' - I haven't been the one saying Jane fans are bad people - I was stating a hypothesis as to your sudden change of tact.
And yes, that is what macabre means for the way I intended my sentence. Disturbing, dark, in a way that causes as much fear as humour. Funny in a 'gruesome, grisly, grim, gory, morbid, ghastly, unearthly, lurid, grotesque, hideous, horrific, horrible, horrifying, horrid, horrendous, terrifying, frightening, frightful, fearsome, shocking, dreadful, appalling, loathsome, repugnant, repulsive, sickening' way. When talking about enjoyment of jokes being macabre, as I was, it is essentially the same as saying 'blackly comic'.
The main issue you're having is that you're saying 'oh all endings are perfectly valid, go ahead, make the wrong decision'. Which is just as derisive, mean, and in-conducive towards a good discussion environment as if you said they aren't all valid.
Lemoncakes, I'm very confused.
How can you say all endings are valid when you make threads such as this one
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/81909/zackscottgames-figures-out-the-right-choice-in-ep5
Which state the kenny ending is the 'right' choice?
Have you had a change of heart? Or are you just trying to pull a Jane and manipulate people by lying about your true opinion?
Something is either valid or not.
You could just as soon be a little bit pregnant as a little bit valid.
Majestic doesn't necessarily imply "better". Some people may find something "majestic" as overblown or pretentious or haughty or inappropriate for the subject material.
...and now you're conflating "good" and "bad" with valid again...
I'm sorry, Flog, I don't mean to be rude but we're not getting anywhere. I'm not in the mood to have a debate with someone who can't engage without calling the other person's motives into question or argue in good faith as it's an inherently fruitless exercise. I feel like I'd just as soon get to a substantial point in this conversation as you'd get to understand when and when not to use the word "macabre".
You're right, some people enjoy a nice golden shower. Not the type of shower I'd want, I'm quite happy with my arrangement. I'm a man who appreciates the discrepancy between water and urine, but no judgements.
Stop butting in!
haha different strokes for different folks.
OH You!
|Is that your way of apologising for implying jane fans are stupid?
Man I got that ending my first time playing. Didn't even try to go for it.... it made me so bummed out.
I got the water ending the first time i played it, then i would always get the leave ending, and it just never felt as genuine. James wasn't coming out of that town, we all know it.
Only if you stop to ass-assinate my character.
Well that was certainly enlightening, thank you.
As CrazyGeorge pointed out, there are some exceptions to the rule, however, for me it's a golden rule.
It's certainly right if you want what's best for Clementine, which is how most people, including Zach and Ashley, play the game.
It's all a matter of personal standards.
Some people, for instance, set out with the intent to make Clementine a miserable psychopath or have her be deceived by people who you don't know the actual name of who additionally lie about having sisters. If that's the case then Non-Kenny endings are your goal.
I think that's perfectly valid.
I will providing you wholely stop trying to pretend that your opinion is fact.
Picking the non-Kenny ending doesn't mean you're trying to make Clem into a psychopath, are you serious?
I don't agree with your analysis that I've been doing anything of the sort.
But that is an opinion.
I don't think sticking with Kenny or going into an unknown community is the best ending for MY clem.
But oh my god! Can you STOP trying to make people feel like SHIT
SOME of us get enough of that in their actual life, so for you trying to say that all people who like Jane more than kenny and choose her endings want their clem to be a 'miserable psychopath' all you're doing is INSULTING PEOPLE.
You're saying it's valid, but if you choose it you want your clem to be a psychopath.So if you agree with those actions, you're a psychopath.
No! That isn't what respecting people is about!
I'm freaking done, I'm reporting you one last time and hope you get banned for good.
I'm fucking done with this dude.
Anytime.
I am here to support the cause of Japanese girls, if i don't no one will!
This is The Walking Dead, dude.
This game is built around judgment, difficult moral decisions with no good answer and making you feel like shit.
Additionally plenty of games engage in wanton power fantasies and violence. They're not programming you to be a psychopath or require you to be a psychopath to play one.
If you're honestly having this much trouble with an actual discussion about a game built on moral choices without resorting to histrionics and screeching for mods because someone has an opinion different from yours then, yes, I think it's best you find a quiet place to calm down.
Since you're a troll, I like to believe that all the selective thinking and pseudo-intellectual posturing you display is a sign that you don't actually believe what you say. You don't actually love the character of Kenny - you just like to act like a rabid fanatic of his.
Anybody who says that 'bad endings are valid' is inherently biased, because as a matter of fact every outcome is valid as far as the player's opinion goes. I've already pointed out one reason why Clementine rejecting safety for herself and a baby (and food and warmth and water and hygiene and sleeping at night) in order to live with a proven abuser is a 'bad ending'. Ironically enough, it appears that both the developers and the players seem to accept at face-value the happy music and cheesy dialogue of Kenny's ending and discount all other endings as terrible simply because they've bought into the narrative's attempt to redeem Kenny.
I don't buy into Telltale's nonsense about 'forgiving' abusers, not after they've proven themselves to lack empathy for disabled and genuinely kind people. That is NOT how the world works, and implying that you are somehow a bad person for rejecting manipulators and abusers is, in itself, a massively shitty message to send people.
Goes into thread
Sees that it's made by Lemoncakes
Makes this comment
Leaves thread
Goes into thread, sees it's made by Lemoncakes, proceeds to read thread.
If your standard of "rejecting safety" being bad is paramount, then you can't have an Alone ending.
If your standard of "rejecting manipulators and abusers" is in play, then you can't have a Jane ending.
Since you refuse to remain with Kenny, the only ending you have available to you is a Stay at Wellington ending.
I hope this conversation, in matching you with your Peak Satisfaction Ending, has been helpful.
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Hey look it's the Season 3 Howe's Crew.
...oh no...where's Clementine?...
baiting +1
intelligence -3
I think all that endings are all pretty bad. Not quality wise but story wise. I don't know, despite Clem looking happy in the endings like going with Kenny, that doesn't mean she's magically safe. There off in the wilderness with a baby. Again.
I killed both Jane and Kenny because Clementine still has a chance of finding other people. There are benefits to going with either of the two (Kenny delivers you to the promised land where Christa was headed, and Jane allows you to establish a new community with a family), but they require you to rein in their faults. As far as I'm concerned, Clementine is done with that shit.
Clem's better off with reliable, stable people who don't irrationally torture people or exploit children in hare-brained schemes. If she exists, then surely there are other people like her as well.
Remember when we used to fight him for hours?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Simply majestic.
Remember when minorities weren't allowed to vote?
Remembers
Lmao. I do remember though. Some good times.