Well, okay then. If protecting children isn't a high priority for you, then all I can say is that I'm glad that most of the rest of the world isn't like you. I want to live in a world where people try to protect children.
30% of people let Ben fall/crawford pull him down, because he is a liability and caused deaths. I guess im still in minority, but 30% used the same logic i would use for the baby.
Apples, and oranges. You are taking an active role in the death of a child. Choosing your well being over that of the child's. Because yo… moreu cannot tell the future you wouldn't know if you could find the child help (and no longer needing your care) the next day with luck. You simply saw the child as being in the way. At what age would you choose to keep the child? 1? 5? Or would you only keep it if you felt it could help your survival the way you see Clementine?
"I only care about myself and people close to me." You don't see other people as actually people, but objects. That's what a sociopath is. You feel no empathy for other human beings because they are unimportant for you. If I personally saw a child drowning in freezing water, I would attempt to save them even if I didn't know them. My life would be at risk but I see them as a human being. Someone of value. You don't place such value in other human beings by the words you have used. I hope I'm wrong.
People "do" actually work better in groups. That's why we are social creatures. People like you would make decisions like that and get ousted from relatively safe societies :P
Carver's group was doing just fine until Clementine's group fucked things up. Crawford was doing just fine until irrational survivor fucked things up. Do you see the pattern here?
Doubtful.
People "do" actually work better in groups. That's why we are social creatures. People like you would make decisions like that and get ousted from relatively safe societies :P
The difference with ben and AJ in years is uncomparable. With ben , he's around 18 - 17 years old. Still cruel to drop him but he's almost an adult. AJ is a baby , can you blame the baby for being a liability? Would you wind if someone dropped you in this situation because you're a liability?
30% of people let Ben fall/crawford pull him down, because he is a liability and caused deaths. I guess im still in minority, but 30% used the same logic i would use for the baby.
Being a baby isnt an excuse to be liability, just like being mentally handicapped isnt excuse to endanger others. Life isnt fair, and in za, that is taken to whole new level.
If i were liability to a group, i would either leave them, because its not fair to drag them down with me, or if i was in too bad shape to take care of myself, i would just kill myself.
The difference with ben and AJ in years is uncomparable. With ben , he's around 18 - 17 years old. Still cruel to drop him but he's almost a… moren adult. AJ is a baby , can you blame the baby for being a liability? Would you wind if someone dropped you in this situation because you're a liability?
Being a baby is more than a liability - it's the future of the human race. Leave the babies and you doom humanity in a single generation. That makes zero sense in a survival situation. Everybody dies eventually so your extra years that you might get by not risking a baby don't matter when there is nobody left. It's shortsighted and pointless.
Being a baby isnt an excuse to be liability, just like being mentally handicapped isnt excuse to endanger others. Life isnt fair, and in za,… more that is taken to whole new level.
If i were liability to a group, i would either leave them, because its not fair to drag them down with me, or if i was in too bad shape to take care of myself, i would just kill myself.
It's not an excuse? What? The baby isn't aware of it's actions , every baby is like that. That's just the way it is.
You do realise that when you die and everyone around your age all that will be left is the next generation and with the way you act there will be no next generation. If everyone were like you and a situation like that happened humanity would be fucked.
You know who you remind me of?
Crawford...
Being a baby isnt an excuse to be liability, just like being mentally handicapped isnt excuse to endanger others. Life isnt fair, and in za,… more that is taken to whole new level.
If i were liability to a group, i would either leave them, because its not fair to drag them down with me, or if i was in too bad shape to take care of myself, i would just kill myself.
Being a baby is more than a liability - it's the future of the human race. Leave the babies and you doom humanity in a single generation. Th… moreat makes zero sense in a survival situation. Everybody dies eventually so your extra years that you might get by not risking a baby don't matter when there is nobody left. It's shortsighted and pointless.
Like i said, world isnt a fair place. You could use that very same logic on every kid in Africa. Trying to make me feel responsible for their lives.
I would leave procreation for people who live in places like Wellington.
Mass extinctions happen pretty often and humans will disappear one day. Does it matter how humans disappear, because we will go extinct eventually. Gene pool would get pretty small after za, so future generations would be fucked anyway.
Crawford (the place) wasnt that bad imo. The game made it look a lot worse than it was. If group of extreme survivalist want to create their own community with strict rules, why is it such a bad thing to do?
Being a baby isnt an excuse to be liability
err what?
It's not an excuse? What? The baby isn't aware of it's actions , every baby… more is like that. That's just the way it is.
You do realise that when you die and everyone around your age all that will be left is the next generation and with the way you act there will be no next generation. If everyone were like you and a situation like that happened humanity would be fucked.
You know who you remind me of?
Crawford...
Being a baby is more than a liability - it's the future of the human race. Leave the babies and you doom humanity in a single generation. Th… moreat makes zero sense in a survival situation. Everybody dies eventually so your extra years that you might get by not risking a baby don't matter when there is nobody left. It's shortsighted and pointless.
What's the point? Everyone in Crawford will grow old. What then? What about you out on your own? Lone wolf, a very, very old lone wolf. And then you die and what was the point in your survival to that point?
Unless you are a scientist really close to finding the key to immortality (I'm new here so it's possible you are), kids are necessary.
Like i said, world isnt a fair place. You could use that very same logic on every kid in Africa. Trying to make me feel responsible for thei… morer lives.
I would leave procreation for people who live in places like Wellington.
Mass extinctions happen pretty often and humans will disappear one day. Does it matter how humans disappear, because we will go extinct eventually. Gene pool would get pretty small after za, so future generations would be fucked anyway.
Crawford (the place) wasnt that bad imo. The game made it look a lot worse than it was. If group of extreme survivalist want to create their own community with strict rules, why is it such a bad thing to do?
Whats the point of living? To enjoy it. Whats the point of life? There is none.
Why should the fate of human race concern me? Its not important to me now and it will be irrelevant once im dead. We will go extinct eventually anyway, so does it really matter how it happens?
What's the point? Everyone in Crawford will grow old. What then? What about you out on your own? Lone wolf, a very, very old lone wolf. And … morethen you die and what was the point in your survival to that point?
Unless you are a scientist really close to finding the key to immortality (I'm new here so it's possible you are), kids are necessary.
Okay that's it. You're off my zombie apocalypse teammate list. Go on, be off with you. Oh alright, you can have one tin of food. Two. Okay one bag of supplies but that's it. Final offer.
Whats the point of living? To enjoy it. Whats the point of life? There is none.
Why should the fate of human race concern me? Its not imp… moreortant to me now and it will be irrelevant once im dead. We will go extinct eventually anyway, so does it really matter how it happens?
Whats the point of living? To enjoy it. Whats the point of life? There is none.
Why should the fate of human race concern me? Its not imp… moreortant to me now and it will be irrelevant once im dead. We will go extinct eventually anyway, so does it really matter how it happens?
Why should i? Have you seen how fucked up things are? Wars, religions, terrorism, slavery... All that shit and more. People are just too stupid, crazy and greedy. We are pretty much the most harmful & stupid species on this planet and i just cant give a crap about the future of human race.
99% of all species which have existed on this planet has gone extinct, i dont care if one them is humans.
Did she even have baby food with her? New babies need to feed a LOT. Hard to think how that baby would survive with Clem for more than a day or two. And he would very quickly start crying once he got hungry which would attract the dead. I got that ending too and I have no idea how they survived that many days to even get to the ending.
I'm worried about AJ in my canon playthrough because Clem is alone, and I don't know how she can take care of the baby. But I hope he can ma… moreke it, at least on my other playthroughs, because I like him, and want him to be alive, he brings some hope to the future.
Why should i? Have you seen how fucked up things are? Wars, religions, terrorism, slavery... All that shit and more. People are just too stu… morepid, crazy and greedy. We are pretty much the most harmful & stupid species on this planet and i just cant give a crap about the future of human race.
99% of all species which have existed on this planet has gone extinct, i dont care if one them is humans.
Well thats quite opposite whats happening irl. But if you're talking about the game, then let places like Wellington deal with that. No point to get small groups/individuals killed because of a baby.
We can't just let places like wellington deal with that because there are not many places like wellington.
Also , by your logic , we should have had the option to leave clementine because she was a 'liability'.
Well thats quite opposite whats happening irl. But if you're talking about the game, then let places like Wellington deal with that. No point to get small groups/individuals killed because of a baby.
Well i would. ps. (let Wellington type places to take care of making babies)
It got Lee killed, didnt it? And it was the first days of the za, so Lee had no reason to leave Clem behind. He grew to care about Clementine and eventually cared more about her life than his own.
We can't just let places like wellington deal with that because there are not many places like wellington.
Also , by your logic , we should have had the option to leave clementine because she was a 'liability'.
Well i would. ps. (let Wellington type places to take care of making babies)
It got Lee killed, didnt it? And it was the first days of th… moree za, so Lee had no reason to leave Clem behind. He grew to care about Clementine and eventually cared more about her life than his own.
Unlike Clem, AJ cant do shit for many years to come and will most likely die anyway or cause others to die.
The point was that I didnt l… moreike Rebecca and i had no reason to care about her baby either. Considering risk & benefit with trying to keep AJ alive, it all leads to one conclusion. Kill or leave Aj.
But when lee saw those things walking he could have ditched his humanity and only saw clementine as another mouth to feed. But not everyone cares only about survival.
Dont get me wrong. I would have taken care of Clementine also. It was the first day of za... You dont just turn into cold and cynical survivor in one day. It takes time before moral values change so you can adapt to new world.
But when lee saw those things walking he could have ditched his humanity and only saw clementine as another mouth to feed. But not everyone cares only about survival.
So zykelator has 2 accounts and gives himself thumbs up on almost everything he says.
Why can't you be in the game so we could leave you in a herd or something because we don't have anything with you? And you would get people killed (AJ)
Did she even have baby food with her? New babies need to feed a LOT. Hard to think how that baby would survive with Clem for more than a day… more or two. And he would very quickly start crying once he got hungry which would attract the dead. I got that ending too and I have no idea how they survived that many days to even get to the ending.
Yes but still you can't just leave a baby because it's a liability. It needs you!
It's not just another mouth to feed , it's what will be left after clem and such die.
You can't just help the human race go extinct because you want to live a little longer.
"Alotta folks died to make this happen , a lot of folks died to get us this far. We owe it to them to see this done"
Dont get me wrong. I would have taken care of Clementine also. It was the first day of za... You dont just turn into cold and cynical survivor in one day. It takes time before moral values change so you can adapt to new world.
Yes but still you can't just leave a baby because it's a liability. It needs you!
It's not just another mouth to feed , it's what will be l… moreeft after clem and such die.
You can't just help the human race go extinct because you want to live a little longer.
"Alotta folks died to make this happen , a lot of folks died to get us this far. We owe it to them to see this done"
"you just cant" i hear that often. Cant you come up with proper reason?
What makes humans so much more important than any other species on this planet? Why do humans have to exist?
"you just cant" i hear that often. Cant you come up with proper reason?
What makes humans so much more important than any other species on this planet? Why do humans have to exist?
Morality is subjective, it changes over time. Spartans used to leave deformed babies outside to die and it was considered normal. Christians killed "witches" and it was considered normal. People still stone others to death and its considered normal. Moral values are very different around the globe and in different time periods.
"you just cant" i hear that often. Cant you come up with proper reason?
Morality! Do you have it?
Why do humans have to exist?
… more We don't.
But we want to exist.
Why do you need a fancy diet?
You don't.
But you want a fancy diet.
All the same thing.
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Well yeah, but as za moves on, there would be more people like me left and less people like you.
30% of people let Ben fall/crawford pull him down, because he is a liability and caused deaths. I guess im still in minority, but 30% used the same logic i would use for the baby.
What? Should i instead lie of who i am?
I dont mind. I would leave a baby behind without hesitation in za. Wouldnt even try to find safe place for it.
+7 years old, so they can actually do something and wont put me in constant danger.
I do feel empathy, but i just choose to not care about others.
I dont even value my own life that much.
Doubtful.
People "do" actually work better in groups. That's why we are social creatures. People like you would make decisions like that and get ousted from relatively safe societies :P
Carver's group was doing just fine until Clementine's group fucked things up. Crawford was doing just fine until irrational survivor fucked things up. Do you see the pattern here?
The difference with ben and AJ in years is uncomparable. With ben , he's around 18 - 17 years old. Still cruel to drop him but he's almost an adult. AJ is a baby , can you blame the baby for being a liability? Would you wind if someone dropped you in this situation because you're a liability?
Being a baby isnt an excuse to be liability, just like being mentally handicapped isnt excuse to endanger others. Life isnt fair, and in za, that is taken to whole new level.
If i were liability to a group, i would either leave them, because its not fair to drag them down with me, or if i was in too bad shape to take care of myself, i would just kill myself.
Being a baby is more than a liability - it's the future of the human race. Leave the babies and you doom humanity in a single generation. That makes zero sense in a survival situation. Everybody dies eventually so your extra years that you might get by not risking a baby don't matter when there is nobody left. It's shortsighted and pointless.
err what?
It's not an excuse? What? The baby isn't aware of it's actions , every baby is like that. That's just the way it is.
You do realise that when you die and everyone around your age all that will be left is the next generation and with the way you act there will be no next generation. If everyone were like you and a situation like that happened humanity would be fucked.
You know who you remind me of?
Crawford...
THANK YOU!
What does he think the point of kids is?
Like i said, world isnt a fair place. You could use that very same logic on every kid in Africa. Trying to make me feel responsible for their lives.
I would leave procreation for people who live in places like Wellington.
Mass extinctions happen pretty often and humans will disappear one day. Does it matter how humans disappear, because we will go extinct eventually. Gene pool would get pretty small after za, so future generations would be fucked anyway.
Crawford (the place) wasnt that bad imo. The game made it look a lot worse than it was. If group of extreme survivalist want to create their own community with strict rules, why is it such a bad thing to do?
Reply is few messages down there.
What's the point? Everyone in Crawford will grow old. What then? What about you out on your own? Lone wolf, a very, very old lone wolf. And then you die and what was the point in your survival to that point?
Unless you are a scientist really close to finding the key to immortality (I'm new here so it's possible you are), kids are necessary.
Whats the point of living? To enjoy it. Whats the point of life? There is none.
Why should the fate of human race concern me? Its not important to me now and it will be irrelevant once im dead. We will go extinct eventually anyway, so does it really matter how it happens?
Okay that's it. You're off my zombie apocalypse teammate list. Go on, be off with you. Oh alright, you can have one tin of food. Two. Okay one bag of supplies but that's it. Final offer.
Wow...
I have no words.
Whats the matter?
The matter's that you don't give a shit about the human race!
Why should i? Have you seen how fucked up things are? Wars, religions, terrorism, slavery... All that shit and more. People are just too stupid, crazy and greedy. We are pretty much the most harmful & stupid species on this planet and i just cant give a crap about the future of human race.
99% of all species which have existed on this planet has gone extinct, i dont care if one them is humans.
Did she even have baby food with her? New babies need to feed a LOT. Hard to think how that baby would survive with Clem for more than a day or two. And he would very quickly start crying once he got hungry which would attract the dead. I got that ending too and I have no idea how they survived that many days to even get to the ending.
I'm just going to leave this here.
"The next generation has to be stronger than the last to lead us out of this"
Well thats quite opposite whats happening irl. But if you're talking about the game, then let places like Wellington deal with that. No point to get small groups/individuals killed because of a baby.
We can't just let places like wellington deal with that because there are not many places like wellington.
Also , by your logic , we should have had the option to leave clementine because she was a 'liability'.
Well i would. ps. (let Wellington type places to take care of making babies)
It got Lee killed, didnt it? And it was the first days of the za, so Lee had no reason to leave Clem behind. He grew to care about Clementine and eventually cared more about her life than his own.
...
I have no words...
Read the edit. I wasnt sure if i was clear enough what i mean by that first sentence.
No, its all he can do, shit for years before he becomes usefull
But when lee saw those things walking he could have ditched his humanity and only saw clementine as another mouth to feed. But not everyone cares only about survival.
Dont get me wrong. I would have taken care of Clementine also. It was the first day of za... You dont just turn into cold and cynical survivor in one day. It takes time before moral values change so you can adapt to new world.
So zykelator has 2 accounts and gives himself thumbs up on almost everything he says.
Why can't you be in the game so we could leave you in a herd or something because we don't have anything with you? And you would get people killed (AJ)
He will be a 4ft5" adult...
Yes but still you can't just leave a baby because it's a liability. It needs you!
It's not just another mouth to feed , it's what will be left after clem and such die.
You can't just help the human race go extinct because you want to live a little longer.
"Alotta folks died to make this happen , a lot of folks died to get us this far. We owe it to them to see this done"
"you just cant" i hear that often. Cant you come up with proper reason?
What makes humans so much more important than any other species on this planet? Why do humans have to exist?
I hope you never become a parent then.
And if you see it like that maybe you should go play tokyo jungle
"you just cant" i hear that often. Cant you come up with proper reason?
Morality! Do you have it?
We don't.
But we want to exist.
Why do you need a fancy diet?
You don't.
But you want a fancy diet.
All the same thing.
I hope so too.
" No point to get small groups/individuals killed because of a baby."
sociopath: Lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience....
Morality is subjective, it changes over time. Spartans used to leave deformed babies outside to die and it was considered normal. Christians killed "witches" and it was considered normal. People still stone others to death and its considered normal. Moral values are very different around the globe and in different time periods.