Does anyone think Kenny > Lee in terms of character?
Jaxknife
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I love Lee and I know a lot if Lee fanboys/ Kenny haters are going to jump on this. I felt emotionally attached to Kenny. This isn't whether you don't like him as a person I think his character was more deep and interesting. You spend more time with him and you see someone who has lost pretty much everything. He feels like a real person and has experienced and has lost do much more than Lee.
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(?) Lee's parents and brother will remember that.
Lee lost his whole family and got NO ONE to talk about that at that time. He just kept moving on and started to take care of Clem as if nothing happened. He even blamed himself for not being able to save Carley/Doug. Being broken by losing people doesn't mean you lose more than others.
Lee fanboys WTF!!! Lee is yourself, so how the fuck can he not be my favorite character. "You spend more time with him" no i don't, you play as Lee so you obviously spend most time with Lee, my god. you are probably gonna call me a Kenny hater after this, but infact i love Kenny but i don't always love his decisions, thats all. What was the point of this thread again?
You typed it wrong. It's:
Kenny < Lee
Kenny is (imo) a good man, but in times like these, good people do bad things- Bonnie S2 EP5
I loved Lee in season 1 and I didnt really like Kenny that much. But in season 2 Kenny evolved so much and was different. Now I think I love Kenny more than I do Lee.
and the fact that you can decide what you wanna do with him.
I enjoyed Lee's character much more due to the fact that he can keep his shit together and not blame others for what his happening to him.
Yep, that too.
Lee is dead, gone.. That's why Kenny is more interesting
No.
I'm pretty sure he is talking about season 1
that too
Your right Kenny does act heavily on emotion, But imo I think Kenny is the most realistic character in TWD.
A character being dead does not make them less interesting, sure being dead doesn't make them more but what they were still remains.
i will give you that, he is in no way perfect, just like real people
Kenny acting on emotion is what makes me like his character, but it really irritates at times. But yes I do find his character to be realistic.
Kenny is a better character than Lee because Lee is left purposefully vague so he can fit with all the decisions you make, that being said while I really like Kenny as a character (though not necessarilly as a person) I prefer Lee, a lot of Lee's depth comes from whatever context you either consciously or subconsciously make up for his decisions, and I really liked my Lee he wasn't exactly like me and he didn't necessarily make the decisions I would have made, but the decisions he did make and why he made them make me think of him as a great guy and why that's not really fair it's quite simply how it works.
Clementine's different though, by pure coincidence she happens to be very similar to how I was at that age so I basically played myself on my first playthrough but not "me" but the old 10-15 year old me which was really odd but kind off interesting.
They can't really be compared that way, since Lee is the player character and a great part of his personality comes from whatever the player puts into him. We're given some basic facts about his background, his appearance and voice and facial expressions, and the rest depends upon our choices and how we emotionally interpret him.
Kenny on the other hand is an NPC; and one of the most important ones at that, so he has a lot more detail put into his personality by necessity.
how about no...
despite shooting him without even the slightest hesitation, i really like kenny.
he is definitively a far more interesting character then lee.
but i also generally dislike lee.
kenny's mental health makes his terrible decisions more understandable. for lee's stupidity, there is no excuse.
I like Kenny more as a CHARACTER as hes more complex etc, Lee is essentially just the player so he's not really a character to begin with.
It's a reasonable thing for you to feel that way. This season, Kenny shined like a fukin' golden boat. He lost his eye for Clem, he even gave up his Wellington dream and wanted Clementine and AJ live a good life. So, I understand how you feel about Kenny, especially if you got his ending whether you left him or went with him. To be honest, this season I felt jealous. Clementine spend totally 24 months with Christa, then she reunited with Kenny, I mean as Lee I only spend hardly 4 months together with Clementine.
That ain't my point if that's what you're thinking. Long story short; It's not a competetion. Like; this character went through so much shoot then this character. TO ME Lee is a awesometacular character. He gave up his life for a little girl he knew only 4 months. EVEN in death, he only cared about Clem's safety.
Like I said its irrelevant what people think of him as a human being but his character is more explored than Lee's. I'm simply stating we see more sides of him and his character changes are way bigger than Lee's.
dafuq?
I died at a shining golden boat XD
handing a weapon over to a clearly madwoman instead of just shooting her yourself.
not just put the axe to the head of the guy in the bear trap.
just standing their bubbling instead of taking action against the cannibals.
not carefully telling people about his past, when they came to trust him, despite it being totally predictable, it is going to be revealed in the worst situation possible.
ignoring how dangerous staying in the motor inn is.
not gently explaining her parent's fate to clementine and traveling to the city she believes they still can be found.
not pointing out how unlikely it is that there are still boats.
leaving his weapon somewhere at every opportunity and ignoring possible weapons.
not predicting there is a zombi, when he gets bitten.
assuming the guy on the radio is vernen.
not giving clementine any really useful final advice, like she should freshen up that walker guts.
add to that all the stupid decision many players made.
like taking a little kid to a place with a reputation like crawford or letting her stay back to watch over a man, that will likely turn, without a weapon.
Some of these are determinant, you know? If you played Lee that way that's not character's fault. It's your fault. By the way, "Stupid decisions that many players made." Who are you to judge everyone's decisions?
Well your right on that one. We see much more of Kenny than most of the other characters.
I'll be honest and say I agree, and I wasn't a even a Kenny fan before S2 Ep5. Now don't get me wrong Lee's awesome, but the fact that he was the playable and he died makes people think he was the best character which in my opinion isn't the case.
I just wanna say as awesome as Lee was, he's not the reason the game was successful. Clementine was, and still is. The game 100% wouldn't have been nearly as successful without her since she's basically the entire emotional anchor to the game and player. So without her we probably wouldn't be speaking on this forum right now. But of alot you probably already knew that. It's just for the idiots who don't.
sorry. that auto enumerating does not work properly.
You guys have it all wrong.
Ben > Everyone Else
Lee made you feel safe and Kenny was inpulsive and made me laugh more than once...
hehhhh..... fucker (carver) vanilla ice and so on and so on
the right and often obvious one is not among the options.
and i am quiet sure each of us made at least one stupid decisions among the determinant ones.
and clem almost didn't make it in the game, i'm glad they did though
No. He was interesting in season 1. I had little to no interest in his character arc in season 2, because what I thought was going to be an interesting deconstruction of his previous character (calling Clem "Duck", harshly responding to Sarita when carrying the box, the possibility of seeing Sarita as a Katjaa replacement) just turned out to be a rehash of everything season 1 already did. So he loses his girlfriend/wife again and goes into a depression and lashes out because of it. Yawn. Oh, and then he begins to show signs of being similar to that of the big bad guy, but every time it seems like he might go too far, something happens in the story that justifies his actions. Yawn.
Part of what made Lee's character interesting was his redemption arc of being deemed a murderer by the civilized world, starting anew and getting a second chance in a world gone to shit, and culminating with being judged as a danger to all around him once again, with his choices (technically yours, but in story, Lee's) determining whether the Stranger's moral judgments of him were valid or not. He may have been crazy, but if you have taken Lee down a less forgiving road, his words will begin to ring true. Moreover, even as the playable character, the story never felt biased in favor of Lee. Characters judged you all the time, and if they felt like you fucked up, they'd let you know about it, and it was up to you/Lee to determine what you would do with that information.
Kenny, on the other hand, doesn't feel nearly as consistent or complete of a character, and I just don't feel progress with him despite all that occurs around him. His ending in season 1 was supposed to be his redemption for going down the dark road of the survivalist, willing to sacrifice people he didn't care about. That's why his sacrifice for Christa or Ben was such a good ending. But then he either mocks Ben in season 2, or doesn't learn a damn thing from helping Christa, and we're back to square one. Now again, this could have been interesting had Kenny realized all the wrongs he had done. But nope. The story constantly makes everyone else seem unreasonable and like they just give up on Kenny, while Kenny's wrongdoings are justified and his hope eventually wins the day by getting Clementine to Wellington. That's not interesting storytelling. That's character favoritism, and I have little interest in that.
Why? No, seriously, why? There is a difference betwenn murdering somebody in rage and killing in cold blood.
He wanted to save him.
He was warning the group.
And? You really think a normal person could find confortable in telling everyone else, or just a few people, that he is a murder, seriously?
The inn was a relativily safe place.
He had no proof her parents were dead. In that option, he just says 'I think I heard them dying.'
He thougth the boat thing was just a pipe drem.
I don´t really know what you are referring by 'Lee will always use his weapon as doorstop instead of just leaving clementine at the perfect spot to escape'. Why should he have taken the shovel? As for stumbling rigth into that walker, even if you check, I honestly don´t know what you mean.
A different sounding voice is hardly a proof.
Specific advice? You expect him to come up with something totally specific when he is dying?
Some players choices don´t make it worse. There are reasons for every choice.
Hahahah, you mean........KENNY WHO DROPPED THE SALT LICK AND MURDERED LARRY?
Your point 6 is how a lot of kenny haters see kenny he talks they hear him shouting . He mourns and wants to be left alone (just like jane after her sister died) but they hear a psycho
Its all about how you interpretate it
I have to agree. While I had a grudging respect for Kenny in Season 1, he annoyed me a great deal in Season 2.
I would have not minded Kenny's return if it weren't for the writer's personal bias towards him, ensuring that he always remains infallible regardless of the situation, especially since he constantly has plot armour on to ensure that he'll stick around for a long time.
And then there's Sarita's role as Katjaa 2.0 just to ensure that Kenny can go through another 'losing a girlfriend/wife' plot when it felt completely unnecessary to the plot and added nothing new to Kenny's character other than more angst. Some would agree that it would have been more daring had Kenny perished and allowed Sarita to grow a story arc of her own, since she was merely a walking plot device for Kenny source of trauma when her demise came.
I wouldn't say Kenny ruined Season 2 for me, far from it. Though I have to admit that Telltale's continuous biased treatment of Kenny had soured my narrative experience with past few episodes.